Has Duran gone mad? (APS)

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me, or are others getting the sense that many teachers will battle returning to class even if we had every safety measure in place. Feels like it will never be enough.

That’s my sense too. If we don’t get schools reopened this year, I expect teachers will fight for them to remain closed next year too.

Why though?? Is it because they are too comfortable WFH? I just can't figure out why so many teachers are making the return extremely difficult.

I think it’s a bunch of factors. Yes, working from home is a lot more comfortable. There are far fewer disciplinary issues and behavioral management issues that come with 100% DL. It’s like having all the bad/disruptive kids out of your class and just the calm, compliant ones. With the standards so far relaxed for this year to the point where there’s basically no accountability to prove the students are actually learning anything, it’s easy to rely on the continued closures/all DL as a convenient crutch. Say “it’s not safe” but really you don’t care if it’s safe or not because distance learning is working for some teachers and they’ll fight tooth and nail to hang onto it.

Then there are some who are really paranoid about the virus. Maybe they’re actually high risk, maybe they’re not.

Then there are some who don’t want to make any changes that might be required if they go into schools. These are the ones who are traveling, seeing friends, and/or relying on older people in their lives for child care. With more exposure in the schools, they’d have to make lifestyle changes as a result and they just don’t want to do that.

This is awful. Especially point #1.

My kids are loving school without the behavior problems. I cannot tell you how happy they are that all the bad kids are sidelined. It is like a totally diffferent experience for them without having their classes constantly disrupted by some random kid who is acting out.

Every time I read a comment like this, I become that much more committed to advocating for schools to reopen. You’re not a good person, and I’m not going to cater to the worst of our community. And no, I don’t have one of “those kids,” I’m just not a rank asshole.

Let me reframe your statement: You want to reopen schools at the height of a pandemic because you want misbehaving kids in school INSTEAD OF addressing the reasons why the kid is misbehaving? Really? You really think the best choice is to put kids and teachers in an environment where they have an increased chance of catching the virus within their communities? Wow.

I am happy that the kids who misbehaved before DL are now not misbehaving with DL. That seems like something we should all be happy about. Instead you want the kids who were misbehaving BEFORE we went to DL and now you want to throw them back into a germ bowl along with their teachers and I am the one who is not a good person? Huh.

You were silent before the virus on the misbehaving kids; you didn't care about them at all. However now that they fit neatly into your own agenda of getting your own kids out of the house, NOW you're proclaiming that people who are advocating for physical safety first are not good. Nope. It doesn't work that way. You can deflect and deny all you want but the rest of us see through your smoke screen and we know you're full of hot smoke.

Kids who misbehave do so for a reason. Putting them back into an environment where they misbehave is NOT the kind and correct answer. Resolving their issues so that they can attend school without misbehaving is the correct answer. You are a user and a poser; you don't care about the misbehaving kids, you only care that you want your own kids out of your house.

Often times, we know the reason. We can't speed up counseling and/or therapy (or help their parents try out different medications) to make their issues go away over night. It takes time, patience and teamwork - that doesn't mean that are still not disruptive in class, they still are.

Apparently pp thinks all kids with special needs should be isolated in self-contained classrooms until their special needs disappear. Fortunately the law doesn’t agree with her.

I'm the immediate PP, and never said that. I was just clarifying that we are not ignoring the reasons why the students are acting out.

But thank for you for being the typical DCUM troll, who likes to think that everybody is a monster.

I was agreeing with you. When I said pp, I was referring to the previous poster to whom you were responding.

Well then I apologize. I am a teacher and a special needs mom so I was quick to jump.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me, or are others getting the sense that many teachers will battle returning to class even if we had every safety measure in place. Feels like it will never be enough.

That’s my sense too. If we don’t get schools reopened this year, I expect teachers will fight for them to remain closed next year too.

Why though?? Is it because they are too comfortable WFH? I just can't figure out why so many teachers are making the return extremely difficult.

I think it’s a bunch of factors. Yes, working from home is a lot more comfortable. There are far fewer disciplinary issues and behavioral management issues that come with 100% DL. It’s like having all the bad/disruptive kids out of your class and just the calm, compliant ones. With the standards so far relaxed for this year to the point where there’s basically no accountability to prove the students are actually learning anything, it’s easy to rely on the continued closures/all DL as a convenient crutch. Say “it’s not safe” but really you don’t care if it’s safe or not because distance learning is working for some teachers and they’ll fight tooth and nail to hang onto it.

Then there are some who are really paranoid about the virus. Maybe they’re actually high risk, maybe they’re not.

Then there are some who don’t want to make any changes that might be required if they go into schools. These are the ones who are traveling, seeing friends, and/or relying on older people in their lives for child care. With more exposure in the schools, they’d have to make lifestyle changes as a result and they just don’t want to do that.

This is awful. Especially point #1.

My kids are loving school without the behavior problems. I cannot tell you how happy they are that all the bad kids are sidelined. It is like a totally diffferent experience for them without having their classes constantly disrupted by some random kid who is acting out.

Every time I read a comment like this, I become that much more committed to advocating for schools to reopen. You’re not a good person, and I’m not going to cater to the worst of our community. And no, I don’t have one of “those kids,” I’m just not a rank asshole.

Let me reframe your statement: You want to reopen schools at the height of a pandemic because you want misbehaving kids in school INSTEAD OF addressing the reasons why the kid is misbehaving? Really? You really think the best choice is to put kids and teachers in an environment where they have an increased chance of catching the virus within their communities? Wow.

I am happy that the kids who misbehaved before DL are now not misbehaving with DL. That seems like something we should all be happy about. Instead you want the kids who were misbehaving BEFORE we went to DL and now you want to throw them back into a germ bowl along with their teachers and I am the one who is not a good person? Huh.

You were silent before the virus on the misbehaving kids; you didn't care about them at all. However now that they fit neatly into your own agenda of getting your own kids out of the house, NOW you're proclaiming that people who are advocating for physical safety first are not good. Nope. It doesn't work that way. You can deflect and deny all you want but the rest of us see through your smoke screen and we know you're full of hot smoke.

Kids who misbehave do so for a reason. Putting them back into an environment where they misbehave is NOT the kind and correct answer. Resolving their issues so that they can attend school without misbehaving is the correct answer. You are a user and a poser; you don't care about the misbehaving kids, you only care that you want your own kids out of your house.

Eck, weak reply. I agree with PP. You're not a good person at all. You're really selfish.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm quite perplexed why parents who are especially risk averse and virus-phobic are so adamant that parents and teachers who don't share their perspective shouldn't be allowed to return to school in person, so long as there is an opt out for parents who want to continue full-time DL.

FOMO.

Oh! Is it your view that only teachers who want to go back have to go back?? That’s terrific. I’m a DL parent advocating for teachers. But if APE and folks like yourself are taking the view that teachers do not have to go back if they’re not comfortable, I’d be good with that!

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me, or are others getting the sense that many teachers will battle returning to class even if we had every safety measure in place. Feels like it will never be enough.

That’s my sense too. If we don’t get schools reopened this year, I expect teachers will fight for them to remain closed next year too.

Why though?? Is it because they are too comfortable WFH? I just can't figure out why so many teachers are making the return extremely difficult.

I think it’s a bunch of factors. Yes, working from home is a lot more comfortable. There are far fewer disciplinary issues and behavioral management issues that come with 100% DL. It’s like having all the bad/disruptive kids out of your class and just the calm, compliant ones. With the standards so far relaxed for this year to the point where there’s basically no accountability to prove the students are actually learning anything, it’s easy to rely on the continued closures/all DL as a convenient crutch. Say “it’s not safe” but really you don’t care if it’s safe or not because distance learning is working for some teachers and they’ll fight tooth and nail to hang onto it.

Then there are some who are really paranoid about the virus. Maybe they’re actually high risk, maybe they’re not.

Then there are some who don’t want to make any changes that might be required if they go into schools. These are the ones who are traveling, seeing friends, and/or relying on older people in their lives for child care. With more exposure in the schools, they’d have to make lifestyle changes as a result and they just don’t want to do that.

This is awful. Especially point #1.

My kids are loving school without the behavior problems. I cannot tell you how happy they are that all the bad kids are sidelined. It is like a totally diffferent experience for them without having their classes constantly disrupted by some random kid who is acting out.

Every time I read a comment like this, I become that much more committed to advocating for schools to reopen. You’re not a good person, and I’m not going to cater to the worst of our community. And no, I don’t have one of “those kids,” I’m just not a rank asshole.

Let me reframe your statement: You want to reopen schools at the height of a pandemic because you want misbehaving kids in school INSTEAD OF addressing the reasons why the kid is misbehaving? Really? You really think the best choice is to put kids and teachers in an environment where they have an increased chance of catching the virus within their communities? Wow.

I am happy that the kids who misbehaved before DL are now not misbehaving with DL. That seems like something we should all be happy about. Instead you want the kids who were misbehaving BEFORE we went to DL and now you want to throw them back into a germ bowl along with their teachers and I am the one who is not a good person? Huh.

You were silent before the virus on the misbehaving kids; you didn't care about them at all. However now that they fit neatly into your own agenda of getting your own kids out of the house, NOW you're proclaiming that people who are advocating for physical safety first are not good. Nope. It doesn't work that way. You can deflect and deny all you want but the rest of us see through your smoke screen and we know you're full of hot smoke.

Kids who misbehave do so for a reason. Putting them back into an environment where they misbehave is NOT the kind and correct answer. Resolving their issues so that they can attend school without misbehaving is the correct answer. You are a user and a poser; you don't care about the misbehaving kids, you only care that you want your own kids out of your house.

Often times, we know the reason. We can't speed up counseling and/or therapy (or help their parents try out different medications) to make their issues go away over night. It takes time, patience and teamwork - that doesn't mean that are still not disruptive in class, they still are.

Apparently pp thinks all kids with special needs should be isolated in self-contained classrooms until their special needs disappear. Fortunately the law doesn’t agree with her.

I'm the immediate PP, and never said that. I was just clarifying that we are not ignoring the reasons why the students are acting out.

But thank for you for being the typical DCUM troll, who likes to think that everybody is a monster.

I was agreeing with you. When I said pp, I was referring to the previous poster to whom you were responding.

Well then I apologize. I am a teacher and a special needs mom so I was quick to jump.

I completely understand that, and I’m sorry my post wasn’t clearer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm quite perplexed why parents who are especially risk averse and virus-phobic are so adamant that parents and teachers who don't share their perspective shouldn't be allowed to return to school in person, so long as there is an opt out for parents who want to continue full-time DL.

FOMO.

Oh! Is it your view that only teachers who want to go back have to go back?? That’s terrific. I’m a DL parent advocating for teachers. But if APE and folks like yourself are taking the view that teachers do not have to go back if they’re not comfortable, I’d be good with that!

Last survey I saw showed over 40% of teachers wanted to be in-person. We can start with them.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm quite perplexed why parents who are especially risk averse and virus-phobic are so adamant that parents and teachers who don't share their perspective shouldn't be allowed to return to school in person, so long as there is an opt out for parents who want to continue full-time DL.

FOMO.

Oh! Is it your view that only teachers who want to go back have to go back?? That’s terrific. I’m a DL parent advocating for teachers. But if APE and folks like yourself are taking the view that teachers do not have to go back if they’re not comfortable, I’d be good with that!

Teachers should go back. Full stop.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm quite perplexed why parents who are especially risk averse and virus-phobic are so adamant that parents and teachers who don't share their perspective shouldn't be allowed to return to school in person, so long as there is an opt out for parents who want to continue full-time DL.

FOMO.

Oh! Is it your view that only teachers who want to go back have to go back?? That’s terrific. I’m a DL parent advocating for teachers. But if APE and folks like yourself are taking the view that teachers do not have to go back if they’re not comfortable, I’d be good with that!

Last survey I saw showed over 40% of teachers wanted to be in-person. We can start with them.

Perfect. APE should tell Duran this is what they want. Not forcing back those who have safety concerns.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm quite perplexed why parents who are especially risk averse and virus-phobic are so adamant that parents and teachers who don't share their perspective shouldn't be allowed to return to school in person, so long as there is an opt out for parents who want to continue full-time DL.

It’s “if I can’t have it, I don’t want you to have it either.” Ive absolutely heard that from a vocal APS DL family.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm quite perplexed why parents who are especially risk averse and virus-phobic are so adamant that parents and teachers who don't share their perspective shouldn't be allowed to return to school in person, so long as there is an opt out for parents who want to continue full-time DL.

It’s “if I can’t have it, I don’t want you to have it either.” Ive absolutely heard that from a vocal APS DL family.

At its heart, of course this is what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm quite perplexed why parents who are especially risk averse and virus-phobic are so adamant that parents and teachers who don't share their perspective shouldn't be allowed to return to school in person, so long as there is an opt out for parents who want to continue full-time DL.

It’s “if I can’t have it, I don’t want you to have it either.” Ive absolutely heard that from a vocal APS DL family.

At its heart, of course this is what it is.

Yep. It’s Fomo. And they don’t want to send their kids back, but don’t want to have to tell their kids they won’t let them go back, so they try and keep everyone down

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Anonymous wrote:I'm quite perplexed why parents who are especially risk averse and virus-phobic are so adamant that parents and teachers who don't share their perspective shouldn't be allowed to return to school in person, so long as there is an opt out for parents who want to continue full-time DL.

It’s “if I can’t have it, I don’t want you to have it either.” Ive absolutely heard that from a vocal APS DL family.

At its heart, of course this is what it is.

Yep. It’s Fomo. And they don’t want to send their kids back, but don’t want to have to tell their kids they won’t let them go back, so they try and keep everyone down

I think it’s because: 1) they understand and can comprehend science and recommended COVID protocols like cohorting, no indoor lunch, and testing; and 2) they actually care about teachers. FOMO?? No one is missing out with this hybrid concurrent nonsense. It’s DL in school with extra COVID risk on the side.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm quite perplexed why parents who are especially risk averse and virus-phobic are so adamant that parents and teachers who don't share their perspective shouldn't be allowed to return to school in person, so long as there is an opt out for parents who want to continue full-time DL.

I want my kids to go back ASAP.

And I want school to be safe. Testing, masks, air filters/windows open, etc.

I’m not risk adverse. I just want the risks to be mitigated properly.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm quite perplexed why parents who are especially risk averse and virus-phobic are so adamant that parents and teachers who don't share their perspective shouldn't be allowed to return to school in person, so long as there is an opt out for parents who want to continue full-time DL.

It’s “if I can’t have it, I don’t want you to have it either.” Ive absolutely heard that from a vocal APS DL family.

At its heart, of course this is what it is.

Yep. It’s Fomo. And they don’t want to send their kids back, but don’t want to have to tell their kids they won’t let them go back, so they try and keep everyone down

I think it’s because: 1) they understand and can comprehend science and recommended COVID protocols like cohorting, no indoor lunch, and testing; and 2) they actually care about teachers. FOMO?? No one is missing out with this hybrid concurrent nonsense. It’s DL in school with extra COVID risk on the side.

No, it's really not any of this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm quite perplexed why parents who are especially risk averse and virus-phobic are so adamant that parents and teachers who don't share their perspective shouldn't be allowed to return to school in person, so long as there is an opt out for parents who want to continue full-time DL.

It’s “if I can’t have it, I don’t want you to have it either.” Ive absolutely heard that from a vocal APS DL family.

At its heart, of course this is what it is.

Yep. It’s Fomo. And they don’t want to send their kids back, but don’t want to have to tell their kids they won’t let them go back, so they try and keep everyone down

I think it’s because: 1) they understand and can comprehend science and recommended COVID protocols like cohorting, no indoor lunch, and testing; and 2) they actually care about teachers. FOMO?? No one is missing out with this hybrid concurrent nonsense. It’s DL in school with extra COVID risk on the side.

Science? 99% of these posts start with "I feel like..." So if you mean pseudoscience, then perhaps...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm quite perplexed why parents who are especially risk averse and virus-phobic are so adamant that parents and teachers who don't share their perspective shouldn't be allowed to return to school in person, so long as there is an opt out for parents who want to continue full-time DL.

It’s “if I can’t have it, I don’t want you to have it either.” Ive absolutely heard that from a vocal APS DL family.

At its heart, of course this is what it is.

Yep. It’s Fomo. And they don’t want to send their kids back, but don’t want to have to tell their kids they won’t let them go back, so they try and keep everyone down

This.