Has Duran gone mad? (APS)

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Anonymous wrote:I'm quite perplexed why parents who are especially risk averse and virus-phobic are so adamant that parents and teachers who don't share their perspective shouldn't be allowed to return to school in person, so long as there is an opt out for parents who want to continue full-time DL.

It’s “if I can’t have it, I don’t want you to have it either.” Ive absolutely heard that from a vocal APS DL family.

At its heart, of course this is what it is.

Yep. It’s Fomo. And they don’t want to send their kids back, but don’t want to have to tell their kids they won’t let them go back, so they try and keep everyone down

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Or we just understand the risks and want the schools to mitigate properly...

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Anonymous wrote:I'm quite perplexed why parents who are especially risk averse and virus-phobic are so adamant that parents and teachers who don't share their perspective shouldn't be allowed to return to school in person, so long as there is an opt out for parents who want to continue full-time DL.

It’s “if I can’t have it, I don’t want you to have it either.” Ive absolutely heard that from a vocal APS DL family.

At its heart, of course this is what it is.

Yep. It’s Fomo. And they don’t want to send their kids back, but don’t want to have to tell their kids they won’t let them go back, so they try and keep everyone down

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Or we just understand the risks and want the schools to mitigate properly...

But the question wasn’t why don’t you want to go back. It was, why don’t you want other families and teachers who are ready and willing to do so go back.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm quite perplexed why parents who are especially risk averse and virus-phobic are so adamant that parents and teachers who don't share their perspective shouldn't be allowed to return to school in person, so long as there is an opt out for parents who want to continue full-time DL.

It’s “if I can’t have it, I don’t want you to have it either.” Ive absolutely heard that from a vocal APS DL family.

At its heart, of course this is what it is.

Yep. It’s Fomo. And they don’t want to send their kids back, but don’t want to have to tell their kids they won’t let them go back, so they try and keep everyone down

This.

Or we just understand the risks and want the schools to mitigate properly...

But the question wasn’t why don’t you want to go back. It was, why don’t you want other families and teachers who are ready and willing to do so go back.

I do want my kids to go back ASAP.

[Anonymous]

The “teachers and kids who want to go back should “ thing is a canard. Any kids going back demands teachers who don’t feel safe yet go in as well. There is NO option to not go in unless you yourself have an ADA accommodation to stay DL due to health. You cannot just say “I don’t feel safe” or “my spouse has health issues and I would endanger them.” So let’s not pretend there’s any option of only the teachers and kids who want to and are ready now to go in can happen. It cannot. It means sending back plenty of teachers who think going in now is insane.

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And 40% of teachers don’t want to go back. The questionnaire was flawed. If you didn’t have any reason preventing you from returning (health issue yourself, in your family, or child care concern) then the only option was “I want to go back”. There was no “I don’t feel safe but I am not at risk or have childcare concerns”.

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Anonymous wrote:And 40% of teachers don’t want to go back. The questionnaire was flawed. If you didn’t have any reason preventing you from returning (health issue yourself, in your family, or child care concern) then the only option was “I want to go back”. There was no “I don’t feel safe but I am not at risk or have childcare concerns”.

I thought it was 60%!

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Anonymous wrote:And 40% of teachers don’t want to go back. The questionnaire was flawed. If you didn’t have any reason preventing you from returning (health issue yourself, in your family, or child care concern) then the only option was “I want to go back”. There was no “I don’t feel safe but I am not at risk or have childcare concerns”.

I thought it was 60%!

I’m saying that the 40% of teachers who “want to return” don’t all want to. But there was no other option than “I am ready to return” in the survey if you didn’t have a qualifying reason to request virtual.

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Anonymous wrote:And 40% of teachers don’t want to go back. The questionnaire was flawed. If you didn’t have any reason preventing you from returning (health issue yourself, in your family, or child care concern) then the only option was “I want to go back”. There was no “I don’t feel safe but I am not at risk or have childcare concerns”.

I thought it was 60%!

I’m saying that the 40% of teachers who “want to return” don’t all want to. But there was no other option than “I am ready to return” in the survey if you didn’t have a qualifying reason to request virtual.

Don’t get me started on these surveys and how they were constructed. They could have paid professionals who design those for meaningful feedback as a service to create useful surveys. All the districts crapped out on that and sent garbage convoluted surveys that didn’t provide nuanced insight.

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Anonymous wrote:And 40% of teachers don’t want to go back. The questionnaire was flawed. If you didn’t have any reason preventing you from returning (health issue yourself, in your family, or child care concern) then the only option was “I want to go back”. There was no “I don’t feel safe but I am not at risk or have childcare concerns”.

Which survey was that? I’m not a teacher so I didn’t take it but I remember the discussion on AEM and I don’t think the choice was “I want to go back,” it was something like I have no impediments to returning to the classroom.

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Anonymous wrote:And 40% of teachers don’t want to go back. The questionnaire was flawed. If you didn’t have any reason preventing you from returning (health issue yourself, in your family, or child care concern) then the only option was “I want to go back”. There was no “I don’t feel safe but I am not at risk or have childcare concerns”.

I think this goes back to the essential workers debate. Teachers *should* be essential workers, and therefore this questionnaire makes complete sense. And if childcare concerns is a reason, that's pretty impressive. Most essential workers with students learning from home for the past several months probably didn't have that same option.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me, or are others getting the sense that many teachers will battle returning to class even if we had every safety measure in place. Feels like it will never be enough.

That’s my sense too. If we don’t get schools reopened this year, I expect teachers will fight for them to remain closed next year too.

Why though?? Is it because they are too comfortable WFH? I just can't figure out why so many teachers are making the return extremely difficult.

I think it’s a bunch of factors. Yes, working from home is a lot more comfortable. There are far fewer disciplinary issues and behavioral management issues that come with 100% DL. It’s like having all the bad/disruptive kids out of your class and just the calm, compliant ones. With the standards so far relaxed for this year to the point where there’s basically no accountability to prove the students are actually learning anything, it’s easy to rely on the continued closures/all DL as a convenient crutch. Say “it’s not safe” but really you don’t care if it’s safe or not because distance learning is working for some teachers and they’ll fight tooth and nail to hang onto it.

Then there are some who are really paranoid about the virus. Maybe they’re actually high risk, maybe they’re not.

Then there are some who don’t want to make any changes that might be required if they go into schools. These are the ones who are traveling, seeing friends, and/or relying on older people in their lives for child care. With more exposure in the schools, they’d have to make lifestyle changes as a result and they just don’t want to do that.

This is awful. Especially point #1.

My kids are loving school without the behavior problems. I cannot tell you how happy they are that all the bad kids are sidelined. It is like a totally diffferent experience for them without having their classes constantly disrupted by some random kid who is acting out.

Every time I read a comment like this, I become that much more committed to advocating for schools to reopen. You’re not a good person, and I’m not going to cater to the worst of our community. And no, I don’t have one of “those kids,” I’m just not a rank asshole.

Let me reframe your statement: You want to reopen schools at the height of a pandemic because you want misbehaving kids in school INSTEAD OF addressing the reasons why the kid is misbehaving? Really? You really think the best choice is to put kids and teachers in an environment where they have an increased chance of catching the virus within their communities? Wow.

I am happy that the kids who misbehaved before DL are now not misbehaving with DL. That seems like something we should all be happy about. Instead you want the kids who were misbehaving BEFORE we went to DL and now you want to throw them back into a germ bowl along with their teachers and I am the one who is not a good person? Huh.

You were silent before the virus on the misbehaving kids; you didn't care about them at all. However now that they fit neatly into your own agenda of getting your own kids out of the house, NOW you're proclaiming that people who are advocating for physical safety first are not good. Nope. It doesn't work that way. You can deflect and deny all you want but the rest of us see through your smoke screen and we know you're full of hot smoke.

Kids who misbehave do so for a reason. Putting them back into an environment where they misbehave is NOT the kind and correct answer. Resolving their issues so that they can attend school without misbehaving is the correct answer. You are a user and a poser; you don't care about the misbehaving kids, you only care that you want your own kids out of your house.

Eck, weak reply. I agree with PP. You're not a good person at all. You're really selfish.

She is selfish because she doesn’t like working with misbehaving kids? Do you think teachers are trained in behavioral modification therapy? You are the one who is selfish if you aren’t getting help for you kid and actively avoiding the problem by passing the buck, and disrupting the whole learning community in the process.

Why is your response to people disagreeing with you to make up some fantasy about who they are that you can use to degrade and disparage them and their children? It’s very bizarre (and counterproductive), yet keeps happening in this discussion. Are you building an army of straw men?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And 40% of teachers don’t want to go back. The questionnaire was flawed. If you didn’t have any reason preventing you from returning (health issue yourself, in your family, or child care concern) then the only option was “I want to go back”. There was no “I don’t feel safe but I am not at risk or have childcare concerns”.

I think this goes back to the essential workers debate. Teachers *should* be essential workers, and therefore this questionnaire makes complete sense. And if childcare concerns is a reason, that's pretty impressive. Most essential workers with students learning from home for the past several months probably didn't have that same option.

Teachers with childcare concerns were not authorized to stay home they were given resources for taking leave after using up personal days.

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Anonymous wrote:And 40% of teachers don’t want to go back. The questionnaire was flawed. If you didn’t have any reason preventing you from returning (health issue yourself, in your family, or child care concern) then the only option was “I want to go back”. There was no “I don’t feel safe but I am not at risk or have childcare concerns”.

I think this goes back to the essential workers debate. Teachers *should* be essential workers, and therefore this questionnaire makes complete sense. And if childcare concerns is a reason, that's pretty impressive. Most essential workers with students learning from home for the past several months probably didn't have that same option.

Teachers with childcare concerns were not authorized to stay home they were given resources for taking leave after using up personal days.

DP, but this kind of misses the point of the previous post.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm quite perplexed why parents who are especially risk averse and virus-phobic are so adamant that parents and teachers who don't share their perspective shouldn't be allowed to return to school in person, so long as there is an opt out for parents who want to continue full-time DL.

It’s “if I can’t have it, I don’t want you to have it either.” Ive absolutely heard that from a vocal APS DL family.

At its heart, of course this is what it is.

Yep. It’s Fomo. And they don’t want to send their kids back, but don’t want to have to tell their kids they won’t let them go back, so they try and keep everyone down

This.

Or we just understand the risks and want the schools to mitigate properly...

But the question wasn’t why don’t you want to go back. It was, why don’t you want other families and teachers who are ready and willing to do so go back.

I don't think there are very many teachers who WANT to go back. At my school we have fewer than 30% who are willing to go back.

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Anonymous wrote:And 40% of teachers don’t want to go back. The questionnaire was flawed. If you didn’t have any reason preventing you from returning (health issue yourself, in your family, or child care concern) then the only option was “I want to go back”. There was no “I don’t feel safe but I am not at risk or have childcare concerns”.

I think this goes back to the essential workers debate. Teachers *should* be essential workers, and therefore this questionnaire makes complete sense. And if childcare concerns is a reason, that's pretty impressive. Most essential workers with students learning from home for the past several months probably didn't have that same option.

DP. As a parent I completely disagree. I don't see why anyone in their right minds thinks that teachers should be essential workers. IMO people like you are crazy for insisting and demanding that teachers are essential. They're not. They're doing a great job with DL and there is no reason for them to risk their lives in the classrooms right now when DL is working. I get it that it might not be working for you but honestly that isn't my worry or problem. For everyone else I know, we are all very happy with DL and I'm not about to demand that teachers go back to school and risk their health to do it.