Has Duran gone mad? (APS)

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Anonymous wrote:PP teacher. I’m at a standards based grading school and we have more standards to cover and assess this year than we did last year. If your school does regular letter grades than you likely have no idea what your kid is being taught standards wise in a normal year because the grades are basically made up and super subjective. Standards based at least specifics what the students should be learning and how well they are mastering them individually. For example if the standard is comparing fractions and your kid gets developing mastery, and you want to know why, I can show you the data. Ask your A/B/C 3rd grade teacher for specific evidence and let me know what they show you.

The have an elementary school student with standards based grading and a middle schooler with letter grades. It’s actually easier for me to figure out what’s going on with my middle schooler, because I can look at a test of homework, see what was marked wrong, and pretty quickly figure out if my kid doesn’t understand the concept of if they made random careless errors. None of that requires scheduling conferences with his teachers. It’s a lot harder to figure out what’s going on with my elementary student without having a conference. That said, I can appreciate why standards based grading makes more sense for elementary students than letter grades.

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Look you need to stop looking at a Facebook parent group as if they have any power, they can’t make up any conditions of employment but to answer your question, no I do not trust all my fellow staff to be safe and wear masks faithfully. Plenty of teachers are living life as usual, traveling, lax with masks. They’re the ones least worried about going back but yeah we all have to work with them even when we are really careful.

Correct. I teach with a team of much younger teachers and they are taking risks with travel and going out that make me extremely uncomfortable. I don’t feel lie I can work closely with them with their behavior and doing so puts mr at risk. Not to mention the kids aspect.

I'm a parent and I don't trust the other families. So many are traveling, allowing kids into each others homes to hang out unmasked. These are the ones who will be in school. Assume the careful ones will stay virtual.

+1 Another parent concurring. Some of the behaviors I am seeing with other families makes me very worried about the safety of reopening schools...as in, it won't be safe.

Exact same experience. People who think it's "safe" to open schools under current conditions also lack appropriate judgement in other areas of COVID risk assessment.

x1000 for the three parents. I completely agree with you, and I especially appreciate the last assessment that is bolded.

Agree.

This is why we need testing.

You know you have the option as an APS parent to remain remote, right?

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Anonymous wrote:PP teacher. I’m at a standards based grading school and we have more standards to cover and assess this year than we did last year. If your school does regular letter grades than you likely have no idea what your kid is being taught standards wise in a normal year because the grades are basically made up and super subjective. Standards based at least specifics what the students should be learning and how well they are mastering them individually. For example if the standard is comparing fractions and your kid gets developing mastery, and you want to know why, I can show you the data. Ask your A/B/C 3rd grade teacher for specific evidence and let me know what they show you.

The have an elementary school student with standards based grading and a middle schooler with letter grades. It’s actually easier for me to figure out what’s going on with my middle schooler, because I can look at a test of homework, see what was marked wrong, and pretty quickly figure out if my kid doesn’t understand the concept of if they made random careless errors. None of that requires scheduling conferences with his teachers. It’s a lot harder to figure out what’s going on with my elementary student without having a conference. That said, I can appreciate why standards based grading makes more sense for elementary students than letter grades.

You aren’t understanding. In middle school classes there is a syllabus and you can easily see how the students grades make up the letter grade. No elementary school classes operate like that. That’s why letter grades in elementary are worthless.

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Look you need to stop looking at a Facebook parent group as if they have any power, they can’t make up any conditions of employment but to answer your question, no I do not trust all my fellow staff to be safe and wear masks faithfully. Plenty of teachers are living life as usual, traveling, lax with masks. They’re the ones least worried about going back but yeah we all have to work with them even when we are really careful.

Correct. I teach with a team of much younger teachers and they are taking risks with travel and going out that make me extremely uncomfortable. I don’t feel lie I can work closely with them with their behavior and doing so puts mr at risk. Not to mention the kids aspect.

I'm a parent and I don't trust the other families. So many are traveling, allowing kids into each others homes to hang out unmasked. These are the ones who will be in school. Assume the careful ones will stay virtual.

+1 Another parent concurring. Some of the behaviors I am seeing with other families makes me very worried about the safety of reopening schools...as in, it won't be safe.

Exact same experience. People who think it's "safe" to open schools under current conditions also lack appropriate judgement in other areas of COVID risk assessment.

x1000 for the three parents. I completely agree with you, and I especially appreciate the last assessment that is bolded.

Agree.

This is why we need testing.

You know you have the option as an APS parent to remain remote, right?

Gee thanks, yes, of course I know I have the option. But how is that the "answer" to everything? My kids would like to be back in person too. I think that could be possible safely in the spring IF APS puts more effective mitigation in place, but not now and not with the minimal mitigation they have in place.

If APS opens in January, they might let me switch my kids from hybrid to virtual but they sure won't let them switch back. So we would be stuck in virtual for the entire rest of the year. Not what we want. I don't think that's what many parents want. How many normal parents really want their kids in a building in January? I suspect it's just the extreme open up crowd who does. And I'm not even sure how many of them will show up since a lot of them seem to have decamped for privates but still are pushing APS to open anyways for other people's kids. I am not entirely sure why. I think they want APS to practice and try it out on other people's kids now so they can push for full time 5 days a week in September.

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Look you need to stop looking at a Facebook parent group as if they have any power, they can’t make up any conditions of employment but to answer your question, no I do not trust all my fellow staff to be safe and wear masks faithfully. Plenty of teachers are living life as usual, traveling, lax with masks. They’re the ones least worried about going back but yeah we all have to work with them even when we are really careful.

Correct. I teach with a team of much younger teachers and they are taking risks with travel and going out that make me extremely uncomfortable. I don’t feel lie I can work closely with them with their behavior and doing so puts mr at risk. Not to mention the kids aspect.

I'm a parent and I don't trust the other families. So many are traveling, allowing kids into each others homes to hang out unmasked. These are the ones who will be in school. Assume the careful ones will stay virtual.

+1 Another parent concurring. Some of the behaviors I am seeing with other families makes me very worried about the safety of reopening schools...as in, it won't be safe.

Exact same experience. People who think it's "safe" to open schools under current conditions also lack appropriate judgement in other areas of COVID risk assessment.

x1000 for the three parents. I completely agree with you, and I especially appreciate the last assessment that is bolded.

Agree.

This is why we need testing.

You know you have the option as an APS parent to remain remote, right?

Gee thanks, yes, of course I know I have the option. But how is that the "answer" to everything? My kids would like to be back in person too. I think that could be possible safely in the spring IF APS puts more effective mitigation in place, but not now and not with the minimal mitigation they have in place.

If APS opens in January, they might let me switch my kids from hybrid to virtual but they sure won't let them switch back. So we would be stuck in virtual for the entire rest of the year. Not what we want. I don't think that's what many parents want. How many normal parents really want their kids in a building in January? I suspect it's just the extreme open up crowd who does. And I'm not even sure how many of them will show up since a lot of them seem to have decamped for privates but still are pushing APS to open anyways for other people's kids. I am not entirely sure why. I think they want APS to practice and try it out on other people's kids now so they can push for full time 5 days a week in September.

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I want my kids to go back - safely.

They could be back now if our government/school system hadn’t mucked up the response.

Schools with entrance & surveillance testing are able to contain positive cases and prevent widespread outbreaks.

It’s pandemic response 101. Not even sure why it’s being debated.

- one kid in private with testing & one kid waiting on hybrid

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me, or are others getting the sense that many teachers will battle returning to class even if we had every safety measure in place. Feels like it will never be enough.

No. I think if the numbers come down, we put air filters in schools, implement regular testing, and provide n95 masks, teachers will return.

That’s not their official position.

That’s what needs to happen to open schools safely. I wouldn’t push for anyone to be back in schools without all of that.

What if we had the vaccine? I feel like vaccines and masks should suffice for a safe return.

I don't. Nothing has been proven that we can't transfer the germs from our hair/clothing/person to other people. I don't think any of us, kids or their teachers, should be exposed to people who might contaminate us and then we bring the virus home to our families.

If you are a teacher, please quit. Students don’t need paranoid teachers like you. If you are this paranoid about something that has never been deemed a risk, what other paranoias do you have? There is no way in every day life someone with your level of paranoia and anxiety is able to mask it. Feel free to consular a medical doctor for more information and treatment.

I'm a parent actually. I read the science journals and I listen to our family's doctors, both the pediatricians and our (my husband and my) internists. These doctors are not sending their kids to school in person, they in fact think it is ludicrous that people are demanding schools be taught in person, and I agree with them.

I've had a few of my friends who are nurses tell me the same thing. If you can stay at home, why risk it?

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me, or are others getting the sense that many teachers will battle returning to class even if we had every safety measure in place. Feels like it will never be enough.

That’s my sense too. If we don’t get schools reopened this year, I expect teachers will fight for them to remain closed next year too.

Why though?? Is it because they are too comfortable WFH? I just can't figure out why so many teachers are making the return extremely difficult.

I think it’s a bunch of factors. Yes, working from home is a lot more comfortable. There are far fewer disciplinary issues and behavioral management issues that come with 100% DL. It’s like having all the bad/disruptive kids out of your class and just the calm, compliant ones. With the standards so far relaxed for this year to the point where there’s basically no accountability to prove the students are actually learning anything, it’s easy to rely on the continued closures/all DL as a convenient crutch. Say “it’s not safe” but really you don’t care if it’s safe or not because distance learning is working for some teachers and they’ll fight tooth and nail to hang onto it.

Then there are some who are really paranoid about the virus. Maybe they’re actually high risk, maybe they’re not.

Then there are some who don’t want to make any changes that might be required if they go into schools. These are the ones who are traveling, seeing friends, and/or relying on older people in their lives for child care. With more exposure in the schools, they’d have to make lifestyle changes as a result and they just don’t want to do that.

This is awful. Especially point #1.

My kids are loving school without the behavior problems. I cannot tell you how happy they are that all the bad kids are sidelined. It is like a totally diffferent experience for them without having their classes constantly disrupted by some random kid who is acting out.

Every time I read a comment like this, I become that much more committed to advocating for schools to reopen. You’re not a good person, and I’m not going to cater to the worst of our community. And no, I don’t have one of “those kids,” I’m just not a rank asshole.

Let me reframe your statement: You want to reopen schools at the height of a pandemic because you want misbehaving kids in school INSTEAD OF addressing the reasons why the kid is misbehaving? Really? You really think the best choice is to put kids and teachers in an environment where they have an increased chance of catching the virus within their communities? Wow.

I am happy that the kids who misbehaved before DL are now not misbehaving with DL. That seems like something we should all be happy about. Instead you want the kids who were misbehaving BEFORE we went to DL and now you want to throw them back into a germ bowl along with their teachers and I am the one who is not a good person? Huh.

You were silent before the virus on the misbehaving kids; you didn't care about them at all. However now that they fit neatly into your own agenda of getting your own kids out of the house, NOW you're proclaiming that people who are advocating for physical safety first are not good. Nope. It doesn't work that way. You can deflect and deny all you want but the rest of us see through your smoke screen and we know you're full of hot smoke.

Kids who misbehave do so for a reason. Putting them back into an environment where they misbehave is NOT the kind and correct answer. Resolving their issues so that they can attend school without misbehaving is the correct answer. You are a user and a poser; you don't care about the misbehaving kids, you only care that you want your own kids out of your house.

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If APE were serious about health and safety they would acknowledge the facts on the safety differences between elementary and secondary. The lack of cohorting and the risks to ages 11+. They would advocate for entrance and surveillance testing for students and teachers. But that not their plan. Send everyone back with PPE at 6 feet in January. That’s their contribution. It’s not about teacher or student safety.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me, or are others getting the sense that many teachers will battle returning to class even if we had every safety measure in place. Feels like it will never be enough.

That’s my sense too. If we don’t get schools reopened this year, I expect teachers will fight for them to remain closed next year too.

Why though?? Is it because they are too comfortable WFH? I just can't figure out why so many teachers are making the return extremely difficult.

I think it’s a bunch of factors. Yes, working from home is a lot more comfortable. There are far fewer disciplinary issues and behavioral management issues that come with 100% DL. It’s like having all the bad/disruptive kids out of your class and just the calm, compliant ones. With the standards so far relaxed for this year to the point where there’s basically no accountability to prove the students are actually learning anything, it’s easy to rely on the continued closures/all DL as a convenient crutch. Say “it’s not safe” but really you don’t care if it’s safe or not because distance learning is working for some teachers and they’ll fight tooth and nail to hang onto it.

Then there are some who are really paranoid about the virus. Maybe they’re actually high risk, maybe they’re not.

Then there are some who don’t want to make any changes that might be required if they go into schools. These are the ones who are traveling, seeing friends, and/or relying on older people in their lives for child care. With more exposure in the schools, they’d have to make lifestyle changes as a result and they just don’t want to do that.

This is awful. Especially point #1.

My kids are loving school without the behavior problems. I cannot tell you how happy they are that all the bad kids are sidelined. It is like a totally diffferent experience for them without having their classes constantly disrupted by some random kid who is acting out.

Every time I read a comment like this, I become that much more committed to advocating for schools to reopen. You’re not a good person, and I’m not going to cater to the worst of our community. And no, I don’t have one of “those kids,” I’m just not a rank asshole.

Let me reframe your statement: You want to reopen schools at the height of a pandemic because you want misbehaving kids in school INSTEAD OF addressing the reasons why the kid is misbehaving? Really? You really think the best choice is to put kids and teachers in an environment where they have an increased chance of catching the virus within their communities? Wow.

I am happy that the kids who misbehaved before DL are now not misbehaving with DL. That seems like something we should all be happy about. Instead you want the kids who were misbehaving BEFORE we went to DL and now you want to throw them back into a germ bowl along with their teachers and I am the one who is not a good person? Huh.

You were silent before the virus on the misbehaving kids; you didn't care about them at all. However now that they fit neatly into your own agenda of getting your own kids out of the house, NOW you're proclaiming that people who are advocating for physical safety first are not good. Nope. It doesn't work that way. You can deflect and deny all you want but the rest of us see through your smoke screen and we know you're full of hot smoke.

Kids who misbehave do so for a reason. Putting them back into an environment where they misbehave is NOT the kind and correct answer. Resolving their issues so that they can attend school without misbehaving is the correct answer. You are a user and a poser; you don't care about the misbehaving kids, you only care that you want your own kids out of your house.

You are projecting a lot here.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me, or are others getting the sense that many teachers will battle returning to class even if we had every safety measure in place. Feels like it will never be enough.

That’s my sense too. If we don’t get schools reopened this year, I expect teachers will fight for them to remain closed next year too.

Why though?? Is it because they are too comfortable WFH? I just can't figure out why so many teachers are making the return extremely difficult.

I think it’s a bunch of factors. Yes, working from home is a lot more comfortable. There are far fewer disciplinary issues and behavioral management issues that come with 100% DL. It’s like having all the bad/disruptive kids out of your class and just the calm, compliant ones. With the standards so far relaxed for this year to the point where there’s basically no accountability to prove the students are actually learning anything, it’s easy to rely on the continued closures/all DL as a convenient crutch. Say “it’s not safe” but really you don’t care if it’s safe or not because distance learning is working for some teachers and they’ll fight tooth and nail to hang onto it.

Then there are some who are really paranoid about the virus. Maybe they’re actually high risk, maybe they’re not.

Then there are some who don’t want to make any changes that might be required if they go into schools. These are the ones who are traveling, seeing friends, and/or relying on older people in their lives for child care. With more exposure in the schools, they’d have to make lifestyle changes as a result and they just don’t want to do that.

This is awful. Especially point #1.

My kids are loving school without the behavior problems. I cannot tell you how happy they are that all the bad kids are sidelined. It is like a totally diffferent experience for them without having their classes constantly disrupted by some random kid who is acting out.

Every time I read a comment like this, I become that much more committed to advocating for schools to reopen. You’re not a good person, and I’m not going to cater to the worst of our community. And no, I don’t have one of “those kids,” I’m just not a rank asshole.

Let me reframe your statement: You want to reopen schools at the height of a pandemic because you want misbehaving kids in school INSTEAD OF addressing the reasons why the kid is misbehaving? Really? You really think the best choice is to put kids and teachers in an environment where they have an increased chance of catching the virus within their communities? Wow.

I am happy that the kids who misbehaved before DL are now not misbehaving with DL. That seems like something we should all be happy about. Instead you want the kids who were misbehaving BEFORE we went to DL and now you want to throw them back into a germ bowl along with their teachers and I am the one who is not a good person? Huh.

You were silent before the virus on the misbehaving kids; you didn't care about them at all. However now that they fit neatly into your own agenda of getting your own kids out of the house, NOW you're proclaiming that people who are advocating for physical safety first are not good. Nope. It doesn't work that way. You can deflect and deny all you want but the rest of us see through your smoke screen and we know you're full of hot smoke.

Kids who misbehave do so for a reason. Putting them back into an environment where they misbehave is NOT the kind and correct answer. Resolving their issues so that they can attend school without misbehaving is the correct answer. You are a user and a poser; you don't care about the misbehaving kids, you only care that you want your own kids out of your house.

Often times, we know the reason. We can't speed up counseling and/or therapy (or help their parents try out different medications) to make their issues go away over night. It takes time, patience and teamwork - that doesn't mean that are still not disruptive in class, they still are.

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I'm quite perplexed why parents who are especially risk averse and virus-phobic are so adamant that parents and teachers who don't share their perspective shouldn't be allowed to return to school in person, so long as there is an opt out for parents who want to continue full-time DL.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me, or are others getting the sense that many teachers will battle returning to class even if we had every safety measure in place. Feels like it will never be enough.

That’s my sense too. If we don’t get schools reopened this year, I expect teachers will fight for them to remain closed next year too.

Why though?? Is it because they are too comfortable WFH? I just can't figure out why so many teachers are making the return extremely difficult.

I think it’s a bunch of factors. Yes, working from home is a lot more comfortable. There are far fewer disciplinary issues and behavioral management issues that come with 100% DL. It’s like having all the bad/disruptive kids out of your class and just the calm, compliant ones. With the standards so far relaxed for this year to the point where there’s basically no accountability to prove the students are actually learning anything, it’s easy to rely on the continued closures/all DL as a convenient crutch. Say “it’s not safe” but really you don’t care if it’s safe or not because distance learning is working for some teachers and they’ll fight tooth and nail to hang onto it.

Then there are some who are really paranoid about the virus. Maybe they’re actually high risk, maybe they’re not.

Then there are some who don’t want to make any changes that might be required if they go into schools. These are the ones who are traveling, seeing friends, and/or relying on older people in their lives for child care. With more exposure in the schools, they’d have to make lifestyle changes as a result and they just don’t want to do that.

This is awful. Especially point #1.

My kids are loving school without the behavior problems. I cannot tell you how happy they are that all the bad kids are sidelined. It is like a totally diffferent experience for them without having their classes constantly disrupted by some random kid who is acting out.

Every time I read a comment like this, I become that much more committed to advocating for schools to reopen. You’re not a good person, and I’m not going to cater to the worst of our community. And no, I don’t have one of “those kids,” I’m just not a rank asshole.

Let me reframe your statement: You want to reopen schools at the height of a pandemic because you want misbehaving kids in school INSTEAD OF addressing the reasons why the kid is misbehaving? Really? You really think the best choice is to put kids and teachers in an environment where they have an increased chance of catching the virus within their communities? Wow.

I am happy that the kids who misbehaved before DL are now not misbehaving with DL. That seems like something we should all be happy about. Instead you want the kids who were misbehaving BEFORE we went to DL and now you want to throw them back into a germ bowl along with their teachers and I am the one who is not a good person? Huh.

You were silent before the virus on the misbehaving kids; you didn't care about them at all. However now that they fit neatly into your own agenda of getting your own kids out of the house, NOW you're proclaiming that people who are advocating for physical safety first are not good. Nope. It doesn't work that way. You can deflect and deny all you want but the rest of us see through your smoke screen and we know you're full of hot smoke.

Kids who misbehave do so for a reason. Putting them back into an environment where they misbehave is NOT the kind and correct answer. Resolving their issues so that they can attend school without misbehaving is the correct answer. You are a user and a poser; you don't care about the misbehaving kids, you only care that you want your own kids out of your house.

Often times, we know the reason. We can't speed up counseling and/or therapy (or help their parents try out different medications) to make their issues go away over night. It takes time, patience and teamwork - that doesn't mean that are still not disruptive in class, they still are.

Apparently pp thinks all kids with special needs should be isolated in self-contained classrooms until their special needs disappear. Fortunately the law doesn’t agree with her.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me, or are others getting the sense that many teachers will battle returning to class even if we had every safety measure in place. Feels like it will never be enough.

That’s my sense too. If we don’t get schools reopened this year, I expect teachers will fight for them to remain closed next year too.

Why though?? Is it because they are too comfortable WFH? I just can't figure out why so many teachers are making the return extremely difficult.

I think it’s a bunch of factors. Yes, working from home is a lot more comfortable. There are far fewer disciplinary issues and behavioral management issues that come with 100% DL. It’s like having all the bad/disruptive kids out of your class and just the calm, compliant ones. With the standards so far relaxed for this year to the point where there’s basically no accountability to prove the students are actually learning anything, it’s easy to rely on the continued closures/all DL as a convenient crutch. Say “it’s not safe” but really you don’t care if it’s safe or not because distance learning is working for some teachers and they’ll fight tooth and nail to hang onto it.

Then there are some who are really paranoid about the virus. Maybe they’re actually high risk, maybe they’re not.

Then there are some who don’t want to make any changes that might be required if they go into schools. These are the ones who are traveling, seeing friends, and/or relying on older people in their lives for child care. With more exposure in the schools, they’d have to make lifestyle changes as a result and they just don’t want to do that.

This is awful. Especially point #1.

My kids are loving school without the behavior problems. I cannot tell you how happy they are that all the bad kids are sidelined. It is like a totally diffferent experience for them without having their classes constantly disrupted by some random kid who is acting out.

Every time I read a comment like this, I become that much more committed to advocating for schools to reopen. You’re not a good person, and I’m not going to cater to the worst of our community. And no, I don’t have one of “those kids,” I’m just not a rank asshole.

Let me reframe your statement: You want to reopen schools at the height of a pandemic because you want misbehaving kids in school INSTEAD OF addressing the reasons why the kid is misbehaving? Really? You really think the best choice is to put kids and teachers in an environment where they have an increased chance of catching the virus within their communities? Wow.

I am happy that the kids who misbehaved before DL are now not misbehaving with DL. That seems like something we should all be happy about. Instead you want the kids who were misbehaving BEFORE we went to DL and now you want to throw them back into a germ bowl along with their teachers and I am the one who is not a good person? Huh.

You were silent before the virus on the misbehaving kids; you didn't care about them at all. However now that they fit neatly into your own agenda of getting your own kids out of the house, NOW you're proclaiming that people who are advocating for physical safety first are not good. Nope. It doesn't work that way. You can deflect and deny all you want but the rest of us see through your smoke screen and we know you're full of hot smoke.

Kids who misbehave do so for a reason. Putting them back into an environment where they misbehave is NOT the kind and correct answer. Resolving their issues so that they can attend school without misbehaving is the correct answer. You are a user and a poser; you don't care about the misbehaving kids, you only care that you want your own kids out of your house.

Often times, we know the reason. We can't speed up counseling and/or therapy (or help their parents try out different medications) to make their issues go away over night. It takes time, patience and teamwork - that doesn't mean that are still not disruptive in class, they still are.

Apparently pp thinks all kids with special needs should be isolated in self-contained classrooms until their special needs disappear. Fortunately the law doesn’t agree with her.

I'm the immediate PP, and never said that. I was just clarifying that we are not ignoring the reasons why the students are acting out.

But thank for you for being the typical DCUM troll, who likes to think that everybody is a monster.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm quite perplexed why parents who are especially risk averse and virus-phobic are so adamant that parents and teachers who don't share their perspective shouldn't be allowed to return to school in person, so long as there is an opt out for parents who want to continue full-time DL.

FOMO.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me, or are others getting the sense that many teachers will battle returning to class even if we had every safety measure in place. Feels like it will never be enough.

That’s my sense too. If we don’t get schools reopened this year, I expect teachers will fight for them to remain closed next year too.

Why though?? Is it because they are too comfortable WFH? I just can't figure out why so many teachers are making the return extremely difficult.

I think it’s a bunch of factors. Yes, working from home is a lot more comfortable. There are far fewer disciplinary issues and behavioral management issues that come with 100% DL. It’s like having all the bad/disruptive kids out of your class and just the calm, compliant ones. With the standards so far relaxed for this year to the point where there’s basically no accountability to prove the students are actually learning anything, it’s easy to rely on the continued closures/all DL as a convenient crutch. Say “it’s not safe” but really you don’t care if it’s safe or not because distance learning is working for some teachers and they’ll fight tooth and nail to hang onto it.

Then there are some who are really paranoid about the virus. Maybe they’re actually high risk, maybe they’re not.

Then there are some who don’t want to make any changes that might be required if they go into schools. These are the ones who are traveling, seeing friends, and/or relying on older people in their lives for child care. With more exposure in the schools, they’d have to make lifestyle changes as a result and they just don’t want to do that.

This is awful. Especially point #1.

My kids are loving school without the behavior problems. I cannot tell you how happy they are that all the bad kids are sidelined. It is like a totally diffferent experience for them without having their classes constantly disrupted by some random kid who is acting out.

Every time I read a comment like this, I become that much more committed to advocating for schools to reopen. You’re not a good person, and I’m not going to cater to the worst of our community. And no, I don’t have one of “those kids,” I’m just not a rank asshole.

Let me reframe your statement: You want to reopen schools at the height of a pandemic because you want misbehaving kids in school INSTEAD OF addressing the reasons why the kid is misbehaving? Really? You really think the best choice is to put kids and teachers in an environment where they have an increased chance of catching the virus within their communities? Wow.

I am happy that the kids who misbehaved before DL are now not misbehaving with DL. That seems like something we should all be happy about. Instead you want the kids who were misbehaving BEFORE we went to DL and now you want to throw them back into a germ bowl along with their teachers and I am the one who is not a good person? Huh.

You were silent before the virus on the misbehaving kids; you didn't care about them at all. However now that they fit neatly into your own agenda of getting your own kids out of the house, NOW you're proclaiming that people who are advocating for physical safety first are not good. Nope. It doesn't work that way. You can deflect and deny all you want but the rest of us see through your smoke screen and we know you're full of hot smoke.

Kids who misbehave do so for a reason. Putting them back into an environment where they misbehave is NOT the kind and correct answer. Resolving their issues so that they can attend school without misbehaving is the correct answer. You are a user and a poser; you don't care about the misbehaving kids, you only care that you want your own kids out of your house.

Often times, we know the reason. We can't speed up counseling and/or therapy (or help their parents try out different medications) to make their issues go away over night. It takes time, patience and teamwork - that doesn't mean that are still not disruptive in class, they still are.

Apparently pp thinks all kids with special needs should be isolated in self-contained classrooms until their special needs disappear. Fortunately the law doesn’t agree with her.

I'm the immediate PP, and never said that. I was just clarifying that we are not ignoring the reasons why the students are acting out.

But thank for you for being the typical DCUM troll, who likes to think that everybody is a monster.

I was agreeing with you. When I said pp, I was referring to the previous poster to whom you were responding.