ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The officer acted in haste (not the same as murder) But choosing to block police officers and then speeding off in a 2-ton vehicle with officers at your bumper to avoid arrest is irrational. She rolled the dice. Sadly she died.

I suspect this might be where a court lands.

An ex-FBI agent provided analysis on CNN, underscoring there is law, policy, and judgment that ultimately come into play here, and the multiple videos from different angles could go either way—meaning there’s no clear evidence other than the end result: a tragic incident.

eye witness accounts support the assertion that ICE was in the wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For all you all defending ICE, please read this article, sourced and with blown up images

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html?smid=url-share

When you say we are defending ICE, does that mean we are defending the existence of ICE, or this particular agent who clearly made grave errors?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does this have to be black or white?
Both sides were in the wrong here.
Obviously, the ICE officer who fired the shots is way more in the wrong and should be charged.
But, given the decedent’s wife was on the sidewalk ready to film, this is looking less like a “milk run” and more like baiting. She did not deserve to die, but why mess with it?

You're correct to an extent but professional law enforcement officers are responsible and accountable in a different way than citizens doing stupid things on city streets. There is no such thing as 50/50 accountability when a sworn in officer shoots and kills a citizen. It's either a justified act or it isn't. 98% of LEOs will tell you this was not a justified use of deadly force.

I’ve heard interviews from residents on that road and that were immediately outside before the incident. They said there was a lot of commotion prior to this. There was an active protest demonstration going on as 6-7 ICE vehicles moved down the road. The victim was part of the protests and moved her vehicle in the road to block ICE. They yelled to her several times to move prior to coming up to her vehicle. Just paraphrasing what witnesses said.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She was never going to ram someone

I don't think she was intentionally trying to ram someone, but she could have easily hit the officer who was in front of her car.

She did hit him. He had to go to the hospital after.

She was trying to escape and didn't care if anybody got run over. Use of deadly force is legally justified if the LEO feels he/she is in an imminent threat of substantial bodily injury or death.

She died more of a hero than those ice officers could ever dream to be. These guys have to know that their jobs as pedophile protection officers can’t last forever

How is a protester who chooses to block in officers with her car a "hero"?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:F each and every voter who voted for Trump.

F each and every voter who voted for that Minneapolis mayor who told Ice to get the F out of his city. The country is finally enacting the law of removing people who chose to come to this country illegally. The perfectly logical consequence of taking the risk to move somewhere illegally. Yet idiots are trying to claim that this is somehow unjust.

This thread is about the unjustified use of deadly force by an ICE officer in a specific circumstance that happened yesterday. No one is claiming ICE doesn't have a justified purpose, moron.

Maybe not on DCUM, but perhaps elsewhere on the internet. Which is why regular citizens who have NO business interfering are taking it upon themselves to obstruct law enforcement.

ICE isn’t law enforcement.

They literally are. You may not like it, and there are clearly some rotten apples in there, but that is what they are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was never going to ram someone

I don't think she was intentionally trying to ram someone, but she could have easily hit the officer who was in front of her car.

She did hit him. He had to go to the hospital after.

She was trying to escape and didn't care if anybody got run over. Use of deadly force is legally justified if the LEO feels he/she is in an imminent threat of substantial bodily injury or death.

Not if the LEO intentionally puts themselves in danger in direct defiance of their training and department policy, which is what this ICE ‘officer’ did by standing in front of a running, moving vehicle. He created the danger, the use of force r isn’t justified and certainly not the two head shots point blank through the driver side window as the vehicle moves past him and he is in NO DANGER.

This ICE ‘officer’ committed murder in broad daylight on video and we can all see that - those of us who are rational and know the law, like other law enforcement officers and former and current prosecutors like me.

Because the murderer is a federal agent, should the state of Minnesota bring criminal charges the US Attorney has the power to invoke the supremacy clause, remove any state prosecution to federal court and summarily dismiss the charges. Or any federal prosecution that successfully achieved conviction could be immediately pardoned by the current WH resident.

I would suggest given that there is no statute of limitations on murder that Minnesota take it’s time on the investigation and file charges on January 21, 2029.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The officer acted in haste (not the same as murder) But choosing to block police officers and then speeding off in a 2-ton vehicle with officers at your bumper to avoid arrest is irrational. She rolled the dice. Sadly she died.

You people who say these things... are you actually okay with this?? This behavior from federal agents is acceptable? This is the country you want for your children?

Let's say she was protesting and blocking the road intentionally. Let's say she was clearly told to get out of the care and panicked and drove off instead, narrowly missing or even nicking an agent. Are you okay with aa hardly trained ICE agent shooting someone for this??? Whether or not he believed he was in danger? Every LEO and even a former ICE agent on this thread have stated that he should not have been in front of the car and that he should have deescalated. But we know this because it is what we expect in this country.

I don't need to believe that she was on a milk run to know that this is horrific and dangerously wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The officer acted in haste (not the same as murder) But choosing to block police officers and then speeding off in a 2-ton vehicle with officers at your bumper to avoid arrest is irrational. She rolled the dice. Sadly she died.

The clearly untrained ICE officer murdered her. Video doesn't lie. Trump and Noem do.

The video does not show "murder" It shows a woman who blocked police officers in her car (an extremely brazen act), driving off to avoid arrest, and a panicked police officer who overreacted in a split second decision

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was never going to ram someone

I don't think she was intentionally trying to ram someone, but she could have easily hit the officer who was in front of her car.

She did hit him. He had to go to the hospital after.

She was trying to escape and didn't care if anybody got run over. Use of deadly force is legally justified if the LEO feels he/she is in an imminent threat of substantial bodily injury or death.

She died more of a hero than those ice officers could ever dream to be. These guys have to know that their jobs as pedophile protection officers can’t last forever

How is a protester who chooses to block in officers with her car a "hero"?

In my vision of the United States, whether or not I agree with a protester exercising First Amendment rights, protesters do not get shot in the face multiple times as they are driving away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The officer acted in haste (not the same as murder) But choosing to block police officers and then speeding off in a 2-ton vehicle with officers at your bumper to avoid arrest is irrational. She rolled the dice. Sadly she died.

The clearly untrained ICE officer murdered her. Video doesn't lie. Trump and Noem do.

The video does not show "murder" It shows a woman who blocked police officers in her car (an extremely brazen act), driving off to avoid arrest, and a panicked police officer who overreacted in a split second decision

Murder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does this have to be black or white?
Both sides were in the wrong here.
Obviously, the ICE officer who fired the shots is way more in the wrong and should be charged.
But, given the decedent’s wife was on the sidewalk ready to film, this is looking less like a “milk run” and more like baiting. She did not deserve to die, but why mess with it?

You're correct to an extent but professional law enforcement officers are responsible and accountable in a different way than citizens doing stupid things on city streets. There is no such thing as 50/50 accountability when a sworn in officer shoots and kills a citizen. It's either a justified act or it isn't. 98% of LEOs will tell you this was not a justified use of deadly force.

I’ve heard interviews from residents on that road and that were immediately outside before the incident. They said there was a lot of commotion prior to this. There was an active protest demonstration going on as 6-7 ICE vehicles moved down the road. The victim was part of the protests and moved her vehicle in the road to block ICE. They yelled to her several times to move prior to coming up to her vehicle. Just paraphrasing what witnesses said.

Yea, she was being a stupid citizen. It isn't law enforcement protocol to shoot stupid citizens in the head three times or else many posters on this thread would be dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The officer acted in haste (not the same as murder) But choosing to block police officers and then speeding off in a 2-ton vehicle with officers at your bumper to avoid arrest is irrational. She rolled the dice. Sadly she died.

The clearly untrained ICE officer murdered her. Video doesn't lie. Trump and Noem do.

The video does not show "murder" It shows a woman who blocked police officers in her car (an extremely brazen act), driving off to avoid arrest, and a panicked police officer who overreacted in a split second decision

And you accept that??? I do not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was never going to ram someone

I don't think she was intentionally trying to ram someone, but she could have easily hit the officer who was in front of her car.

She did hit him. He had to go to the hospital after.

She was trying to escape and didn't care if anybody got run over. Use of deadly force is legally justified if the LEO feels he/she is in an imminent threat of substantial bodily injury or death.

She died more of a hero than those ice officers could ever dream to be. These guys have to know that their jobs as pedophile protection officers can’t last forever

How is a protester who chooses to block in officers with her car a "hero"?

There’s tons of books about passive resistance available. Choose one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was never going to ram someone

I don't think she was intentionally trying to ram someone, but she could have easily hit the officer who was in front of her car.

She did hit him. He had to go to the hospital after.

She was trying to escape and didn't care if anybody got run over. Use of deadly force is legally justified if the LEO feels he/she is in an imminent threat of substantial bodily injury or death.

She died more of a hero than those ice officers could ever dream to be. These guys have to know that their jobs as pedophile protection officers can’t last forever

How is a protester who chooses to block in officers with her car a "hero"?

Video shows she was waiving previous ice vehicles past her . And those vehicles did pass. She was not blocking anybody. She was clearly on an ice pad. But since these yahoos are from all over maybe they don’t know how actual ice ( under a tire) works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The officer acted in haste (not the same as murder) But choosing to block police officers and then speeding off in a 2-ton vehicle with officers at your bumper to avoid arrest is irrational. She rolled the dice. Sadly she died.

The clearly untrained ICE officer murdered her. Video doesn't lie. Trump and Noem do.

The video does not show "murder" It shows a woman who blocked police officers in her car (an extremely brazen act), driving off to avoid arrest, and a panicked police officer who overreacted in a split second decision

Murder.

Unlawful homicide. Not murder.