Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard

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Anonymous wrote:The Axios piece today shows that DC could not overcome what Youngkin promised (and apparently planned in advance with Leonsis).

Crime does not seem to be one of the factors for departure: https://www.axios.com/local/washington-dc/2023/12/14/capitals-wizards-stadium-virginia-how-it-happened

The article literally mentions Leonsis complaining privately about crime in Chinatown....

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Fairfax and have partial season tix to the Caps and Wiz and like that I can pay $15 to park ~ a block away and then be home in 35/40 minutes post game. Neither of those things are going to happen in PY so I will give up my tix and maybe go to a couple of games a year, well planned and on a weekend afternoon.

From the arena, you can take the bus rapid transit to car parks in Crystal City, Pentagon City, or Old Town.

Again, that is adding at least a half hour each way on a commute to the games as compared to Gallery Place. for most fans, it won't be worth the time. For many fans, it won't even be a viable option. I hope Ted assumes that everyone who lives in "Potomac Landing" and Del ray will be season ticket holders, because the existing fan bases won't put up with the additional hassle.

I live in upper NW and would gladly spend an extra 30 minutes in traffic rather than subject my family to what Chinatown has become.

Same. Last weekend day game I took my kids too there was a knife fight between vagrants, people sitting on the sidewalk shooting up and a pool of blood on the sidewalk. Nope, not family friendly in the slightest.

Some people would consider that the undercard

Good one! Yet, it made the 7 year old cry.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Fairfax and have partial season tix to the Caps and Wiz and like that I can pay $15 to park ~ a block away and then be home in 35/40 minutes post game. Neither of those things are going to happen in PY so I will give up my tix and maybe go to a couple of games a year, well planned and on a weekend afternoon.

From the arena, you can take the bus rapid transit to car parks in Crystal City, Pentagon City, or Old Town.

Again, that is adding at least a half hour each way on a commute to the games as compared to Gallery Place. for most fans, it won't be worth the time. For many fans, it won't even be a viable option. I hope Ted assumes that everyone who lives in "Potomac Landing" and Del ray will be season ticket holders, because the existing fan bases won't put up with the additional hassle.

I live in upper NW and would gladly spend an extra 30 minutes in traffic rather than subject my family to what Chinatown has become.

Same. Last weekend day game I took my kids too there was a knife fight between vagrants, people sitting on the sidewalk shooting up and a pool of blood on the sidewalk. Nope, not family friendly in the slightest.

Racist.

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lol. never thought I’d see the day but indeed. Nimby power, activate!

What’s more interesting is to see the YIMBYs against this. I would be careful making this a standard YIMBY/NIMBY issue.

But it is kind of amazing to watch the ALX YIMBYs get frazzled when it happens in THEIR backyard.

Having a few more neighbors is different than thousands of new people clogging up your streets and parking spaces.

Yes, I get that. It’s amazing how your views change when a proposal impacts your home and neighborhood.

If it’s not your BY then YIMBY/NIMBY is irrelevant.

Nope, not true. YIMBYs frequently tell NIMBYs that they have no say over what happens in their backyard.

Also YIMBY means yes in my backyard. Meaning you are a YES for it happening in your backyard.

They are a yes for it happening in their own backyard.

Except they are not in this case. I watched several fairly prolific or self-professed YIMBYs either express skepticism or outright objections to this proposal.

In other words, they were YIMBYs until it happened in their backyard. And the defense is that this isn’t something they signed up for - except isn’t that always the case with NIMBYs?

So my broader point is that it’s easy to be a YIMBY when the proposal does not impact you. Most people are actually NIMBYs under the right circumstances.

Then they were misnamed YIMBY if they were pushing proposals that don’t affect them.

People can be ok with some changes that affect them but not other changes.

YIMBYs are always pushing proposals that do not affect them. It’s why they coalesce and show up to speak at hearings in neighboring jurisdictions. It’s why they employ regional or national letter writing campaigns to drum up the perception of support for local issues.

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lol. never thought I’d see the day but indeed. Nimby power, activate!

What’s more interesting is to see the YIMBYs against this. I would be careful making this a standard YIMBY/NIMBY issue.

But it is kind of amazing to watch the ALX YIMBYs get frazzled when it happens in THEIR backyard.

Having a few more neighbors is different than thousands of new people clogging up your streets and parking spaces.

Yes, I get that. It’s amazing how your views change when a proposal impacts your home and neighborhood.

If it’s not your BY then YIMBY/NIMBY is irrelevant.

Nope, not true. YIMBYs frequently tell NIMBYs that they have no say over what happens in their backyard.

Also YIMBY means yes in my backyard. Meaning you are a YES for it happening in your backyard.

They are a yes for it happening in their own backyard.

Except they are not in this case. I watched several fairly prolific or self-professed YIMBYs either express skepticism or outright objections to this proposal.

In other words, they were YIMBYs until it happened in their backyard. And the defense is that this isn’t something they signed up for - except isn’t that always the case with NIMBYs?

So my broader point is that it’s easy to be a YIMBY when the proposal does not impact you. Most people are actually NIMBYs under the right circumstances.

Then they were misnamed YIMBY if they were pushing proposals that don’t affect them.

People can be ok with some changes that affect them but not other changes.

YIMBYs are always pushing proposals that do not affect them. It’s why they coalesce and show up to speak at hearings in neighboring jurisdictions. It’s why they employ regional or national letter writing campaigns to drum up the perception of support for local issues.

So, YIYBYs?

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Fairfax and have partial season tix to the Caps and Wiz and like that I can pay $15 to park ~ a block away and then be home in 35/40 minutes post game. Neither of those things are going to happen in PY so I will give up my tix and maybe go to a couple of games a year, well planned and on a weekend afternoon.

From the arena, you can take the bus rapid transit to car parks in Crystal City, Pentagon City, or Old Town.

Again, that is adding at least a half hour each way on a commute to the games as compared to Gallery Place. for most fans, it won't be worth the time. For many fans, it won't even be a viable option. I hope Ted assumes that everyone who lives in "Potomac Landing" and Del ray will be season ticket holders, because the existing fan bases won't put up with the additional hassle.

I live in upper NW and would gladly spend an extra 30 minutes in traffic rather than subject my family to what Chinatown has become.

Same. Last weekend day game I took my kids too there was a knife fight between vagrants, people sitting on the sidewalk shooting up and a pool of blood on the sidewalk. Nope, not family friendly in the slightest.

Racist.

You jest, but "You're a racist if you want to feel safe in public spaces" is actually the line of much of the left in DC as well as catch-and-release Janeese.

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lol. never thought I’d see the day but indeed. Nimby power, activate!

What’s more interesting is to see the YIMBYs against this. I would be careful making this a standard YIMBY/NIMBY issue.

But it is kind of amazing to watch the ALX YIMBYs get frazzled when it happens in THEIR backyard.

Having a few more neighbors is different than thousands of new people clogging up your streets and parking spaces.

Yes, I get that. It’s amazing how your views change when a proposal impacts your home and neighborhood.

If it’s not your BY then YIMBY/NIMBY is irrelevant.

Nope, not true. YIMBYs frequently tell NIMBYs that they have no say over what happens in their backyard.

Also YIMBY means yes in my backyard. Meaning you are a YES for it happening in your backyard.

They are a yes for it happening in their own backyard.

Except they are not in this case. I watched several fairly prolific or self-professed YIMBYs either express skepticism or outright objections to this proposal.

In other words, they were YIMBYs until it happened in their backyard. And the defense is that this isn’t something they signed up for - except isn’t that always the case with NIMBYs?

So my broader point is that it’s easy to be a YIMBY when the proposal does not impact you. Most people are actually NIMBYs under the right circumstances.

Then they were misnamed YIMBY if they were pushing proposals that don’t affect them.

People can be ok with some changes that affect them but not other changes.

YIMBYs are always pushing proposals that do not affect them. It’s why they coalesce and show up to speak at hearings in neighboring jurisdictions. It’s why they employ regional or national letter writing campaigns to drum up the perception of support for local issues.

So, YIYBYs?

Yes, basically.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Fairfax and have partial season tix to the Caps and Wiz and like that I can pay $15 to park ~ a block away and then be home in 35/40 minutes post game. Neither of those things are going to happen in PY so I will give up my tix and maybe go to a couple of games a year, well planned and on a weekend afternoon.

From the arena, you can take the bus rapid transit to car parks in Crystal City, Pentagon City, or Old Town.

Again, that is adding at least a half hour each way on a commute to the games as compared to Gallery Place. for most fans, it won't be worth the time. For many fans, it won't even be a viable option. I hope Ted assumes that everyone who lives in "Potomac Landing" and Del ray will be season ticket holders, because the existing fan bases won't put up with the additional hassle.

I live in upper NW and would gladly spend an extra 30 minutes in traffic rather than subject my family to what Chinatown has become.

Same. Last weekend day game I took my kids too there was a knife fight between vagrants, people sitting on the sidewalk shooting up and a pool of blood on the sidewalk. Nope, not family friendly in the slightest.

Racist.

+1. Vibrancy isn't for you.

[Anonymous]

youngkin is going to have to pony up for Metro to even keep the PY station opened, much less allow for the kind of service necessary to make the arena remotely viable

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Ted has already said the Mystics will play in the old arena. Everyone acting like the Wizards leaving in a big deal is just being sexist

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Anonymous wrote:youngkin is going to have to pony up for Metro to even keep the PY station opened, much less allow for the kind of service necessary to make the arena remotely viable

Or he could tell metro he'll contribute even less if they close the station.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Fairfax and have partial season tix to the Caps and Wiz and like that I can pay $15 to park ~ a block away and then be home in 35/40 minutes post game. Neither of those things are going to happen in PY so I will give up my tix and maybe go to a couple of games a year, well planned and on a weekend afternoon.

From the arena, you can take the bus rapid transit to car parks in Crystal City, Pentagon City, or Old Town.

Again, that is adding at least a half hour each way on a commute to the games as compared to Gallery Place. for most fans, it won't be worth the time. For many fans, it won't even be a viable option. I hope Ted assumes that everyone who lives in "Potomac Landing" and Del ray will be season ticket holders, because the existing fan bases won't put up with the additional hassle.

I live in upper NW and would gladly spend an extra 30 minutes in traffic rather than subject my family to what Chinatown has become.

Same. Last weekend day game I took my kids too there was a knife fight between vagrants, people sitting on the sidewalk shooting up and a pool of blood on the sidewalk. Nope, not family friendly in the slightest.

Racist.

No one mentioned race but facts are facts. One demographic is the overwhelming majority of crime in DC. At some point, this experiment of progressive policing needs to end. Stop worrying about criminals feelings. Arrest the parents of the minors and charge the minors as adults.

The only way DC will thrive is to lay the hammer down very swiftly and strongly.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Fairfax and have partial season tix to the Caps and Wiz and like that I can pay $15 to park ~ a block away and then be home in 35/40 minutes post game. Neither of those things are going to happen in PY so I will give up my tix and maybe go to a couple of games a year, well planned and on a weekend afternoon.

From the arena, you can take the bus rapid transit to car parks in Crystal City, Pentagon City, or Old Town.

Again, that is adding at least a half hour each way on a commute to the games as compared to Gallery Place. for most fans, it won't be worth the time. For many fans, it won't even be a viable option. I hope Ted assumes that everyone who lives in "Potomac Landing" and Del ray will be season ticket holders, because the existing fan bases won't put up with the additional hassle.

I live in upper NW and would gladly spend an extra 30 minutes in traffic rather than subject my family to what Chinatown has become.

Same. Last weekend day game I took my kids too there was a knife fight between vagrants, people sitting on the sidewalk shooting up and a pool of blood on the sidewalk. Nope, not family friendly in the slightest.

Racist.

No one mentioned race but facts are facts. One demographic is the overwhelming majority of crime in DC. At some point, this experiment of progressive policing needs to end. Stop worrying about criminals feelings. Arrest the parents of the minors and charge the minors as adults.

The only way DC will thrive is to lay the hammer down very swiftly and strongly.

You've got my vote!

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Anonymous wrote:This entire project still hinges on approval by the Virginia legislature. I'm not convinced this will sail through, especially if RoVA reps don't want the state to be on-the-hook for a big chunk of the debt.

If Bowser was smart (doubtful), she and the Federal Council would start a dark money ad campaign on radio and TV in VA Beach, Richmond, Roanoke, Blacksburg, etc to gin up opposition in the rest of VA to pay for "NoVA's boondoggle" arena using state-guaranteed debt.

All this deal proves is that Youngkin's true allegiance is to the McLean crowd.

Actually, if Bowser were smart, she would let Ted know that the offer for the $500M expires on 1/31/24 so he can either risk it with Virginia politics or make a commitment to the District, or end up with neither.

Would be glorious if he got screwed over in the end.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire project still hinges on approval by the Virginia legislature. I'm not convinced this will sail through, especially if RoVA reps don't want the state to be on-the-hook for a big chunk of the debt.

If Bowser was smart (doubtful), she and the Federal Council would start a dark money ad campaign on radio and TV in VA Beach, Richmond, Roanoke, Blacksburg, etc to gin up opposition in the rest of VA to pay for "NoVA's boondoggle" arena using state-guaranteed debt.

All this deal proves is that Youngkin's true allegiance is to the McLean crowd.

Actually, if Bowser were smart, she would let Ted know that the offer for the $500M expires on 1/31/24 so he can either risk it with Virginia politics or make a commitment to the District, or end up with neither.

Would be glorious if he got screwed over in the end.

Why?