Can I sue Callie Oettinger?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Let's look at the facts that we do know. This parent downloaded confidential information about other special needs children to her files. The parent went beyond looking at communication and information about her own child. The parent published this confidential information on the world wide web. The parent is accountable for this action. They knew the information was confidential and that FCPS made a mistake. Yet, the parent chose to access the information, save it to their file and then share it. I hope there are consequences.

Yup. “This parent” betrayed thousands of other families and should be held accountable for her actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm weirdly fascinated by how much the parents on this thread are about the idea that their kid's IEPs or whatever are on the internet. Is it great? No absolutely not. FCPS shouldn't have released that data and she shouldn't have posted it.

But please try to remember very few people care about your kid's learning issue. These are kids. Future employers aren't going care what Larlo was doing in 5th grade or what accommodations he needed to pass Calculus.

I'm weirdly fascinated how you are either Callie or you came to soak in other people's misfortune like a vampire. In case you were too dense to educate yourself, Callie also stole and posted information regarding children's mental health. Unfortunately, plenty of people care about that, even if they aren't legally supposed to make decisions with that information. Even the IEP information in the hands of bullies would be valuable.

[Anonymous]

https://www.fcps.edu/node/49292

[Anonymous]

Thank you for sharing this FCPS link. I had not seen it. The fact that this was an " unusual review" says a lot. FCPS found the problem, which " occurred because older thumb drives containing unredacted files pulled to respond to the parent’s prior FERPA requests were unintentionally and unknowingly left within boxes accessible to the parent during her in‑person review." I guess the parent has had many FOIA requestions. Even though the parent knew our children's information was private and confidential, they " copied the files and removed them from FCPS property." How is this ok?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS should be held accountable for their carelessness.

And Callie should also be held accountable for violating privacy of thousands of families.

And on page 65 of this thread, this statement sums it all up neatly. You can hand wave all you want (and that's been done REPEATEDLY over the past 65 pages) but this still holds true.

Exactly. 65 pages of back and forth. If you can find an attorney who will take your case, do it. What I’m seeing is a lot of people who I suspect already contacted an attorney and were told they don’t have a case who keep coming back here and “hand waving” hoping they can get some satisfaction for their misplaced anger.

People can be angry at multiple things.

FCPS? Of course.

Callie? She is 100% responsible for her own actions. Anger towards her is not misplaced.

It’s misplaced because nobody’s mad at the dozens of other parents who sifted through all the data that wasn’t about their kid to find the data about their kid and is likely sitting in an insecure manner on a desktop or server because they don’t have a defined disposal process or a strong security protocol because they are a person and not an organization, unlike Callie, who is a 501c3 and has a destruction protocol. I’m more upset that it’s sitting insecure on many people’s personal computers where one click on a malware link can put everything for sale on the dark web.

1. Callie is not a 501c3. She is the President of a Virginia Nonstock Corporation. The corporation is a separate legal entity from Callie.

2. As far as I can tell, Callie submitted the FOIA in her personal name, and was not acting in her capacity as Officer or Director of Special Education Action Inc. when she took the privileged data from FCPS and transferred it to SEA Inc. So Callie is legally exposed twice for her actions: once in her individual capacity and once in her capacity as Officer and Director of Special Education Action Inc.. The Directors of Special Education Action Inc. also have possible legal exposure if they failed their oversight duties as Directors. Hopefully Callie got them D&O insurance (but I somehow doubt it).

3. Non-profits don’t have “a destruction protocol” unless they are the Terminator. Most non-profits have “document retention policy”, but this is typically not a legal requirement. Nothing prevents the President of a non-profit to put stuff on the dark web, especially if her Board of Directors does not provide serious oversight.

4. The IRS DOES require non-profits to have a Conflict of Interest policy. For instance, using your official position in a non-profit to pursue a personal vendetta against FCPS (or pursue a specific political agenda) would be a potential COI. Failure to have or enforce your COI can result in a 501c3 losing tax-exempt status.

5. Callie (and the I-am-not-Callies that are on the Board of Directors or serve as Officers) were clearly not well-served by Legalzoom as they failed to register with the VDACS Office of Charitable and Regulatory Programs (https://cos.vdacs.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/char_search.cgi). Until they do, Special Education Action Inc. is not allowed to solicit donations in the Commonwealth of Virginia and is subject to considerable penalties.

If Callie and the I-am-not-Callies can’t properly run their own lemonade stand in a legal manner, they probably should stop making inaccurate statements on this forum and be a lot more respectful of the public servants who are doing their best to serve the community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/node/49292

So she was not provided these files by FCPS she found them and stole them. Fun. How is that any different than me jumping on the Principal's computer when he's not looking?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, when I wrote back to complain that no one had replied to my email within the promised 5 business days, I got another auto-response saying they would reply within 12 business days🙄🙄🤔

Its amazing that FCPS can hire all these private contractors to help clean up their mess (forensic computer people. a law firm., Experian) but they can't have one FCPS employee available to provide information to families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS should be held accountable for their carelessness.

And Callie should also be held accountable for violating privacy of thousands of families.

And on page 65 of this thread, this statement sums it all up neatly. You can hand wave all you want (and that's been done REPEATEDLY over the past 65 pages) but this still holds true.

Exactly. 65 pages of back and forth. If you can find an attorney who will take your case, do it. What I’m seeing is a lot of people who I suspect already contacted an attorney and were told they don’t have a case who keep coming back here and “hand waving” hoping they can get some satisfaction for their misplaced anger.

People can be angry at multiple things.

FCPS? Of course.

Callie? She is 100% responsible for her own actions. Anger towards her is not misplaced.

It’s misplaced because nobody’s mad at the dozens of other parents who sifted through all the data that wasn’t about their kid to find the data about their kid and is likely sitting in an insecure manner on a desktop or server because they don’t have a defined disposal process or a strong security protocol because they are a person and not an organization, unlike Callie, who is a 501c3 and has a destruction protocol. I’m more upset that it’s sitting insecure on many people’s personal computers where one click on a malware link can put everything for sale on the dark web.

1. Callie is not a 501c3. She is the President of a Virginia Nonstock Corporation. The corporation is a separate legal entity from Callie.

2. As far as I can tell, Callie submitted the FOIA in her personal name, and was not acting in her capacity as Officer or Director of Special Education Action Inc. when she took the privileged data from FCPS and transferred it to SEA Inc. So Callie is legally exposed twice for her actions: once in her individual capacity and once in her capacity as Officer and Director of Special Education Action Inc.. The Directors of Special Education Action Inc. also have possible legal exposure if they failed their oversight duties as Directors. Hopefully Callie got them D&O insurance (but I somehow doubt it).

3. Non-profits don’t have “a destruction protocol” unless they are the Terminator. Most non-profits have “document retention policy”, but this is typically not a legal requirement. Nothing prevents the President of a non-profit to put stuff on the dark web, especially if her Board of Directors does not provide serious oversight.

4. The IRS DOES require non-profits to have a Conflict of Interest policy. For instance, using your official position in a non-profit to pursue a personal vendetta against FCPS (or pursue a specific political agenda) would be a potential COI. Failure to have or enforce your COI can result in a 501c3 losing tax-exempt status.

5. Callie (and the I-am-not-Callies that are on the Board of Directors or serve as Officers) were clearly not well-served by Legalzoom as they failed to register with the VDACS Office of Charitable and Regulatory Programs (https://cos.vdacs.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/char_search.cgi). Until they do, Special Education Action Inc. is not allowed to solicit donations in the Commonwealth of Virginia and is subject to considerable penalties.

If Callie and the I-am-not-Callies can’t properly run their own lemonade stand in a legal manner, they probably should stop making inaccurate statements on this forum and be a lot more respectful of the public servants who are doing their best to serve the community.

Per Michele Reid. I’m quoting her because I’m not the president of Harvard.

“The parent and their attorney have provided declarations under oath and penalty of perjury stating they have deleted and do not have any of the identifiable student information that was involved in this incident.”

[Anonymous]

Except all of the identifiable info on her website today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/node/49292

So she was not provided these files by FCPS she found them and stole them. Fun. How is that any different than me jumping on the Principal's computer when he's not looking?

What I can deduce by reading both of their statements, she requested the data via foia. They gave her a bunch of stuff they shouldn’t have, and she’s saying she took whatever they gave her, which is her right, whether moral or not. They are half blaming her for not scrubbing the data herself and only taking what she should have while also acknowledging it was their responsibility to only provide her what she requested (as they lost a lawsuit regarding this very topic 2 years ago, so they are treading this very carefully as to not get sued for slander).

Bottom line: in 2023, assuming a consumer will do your work for you in the way you want them to is a false premise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Except all of the identifiable info on her website today.

Exactly. There is still a ton of data on her website that she got during the November meeting.

This email makes FCPS and Reid look ridiculous. Anyone can see that she still has the documents.

What will FCPS do now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Except all of the identifiable info on her website today.

Exactly. There is still a ton of data on her website that she got during the November meeting.

This email makes FCPS and Reid look ridiculous. Anyone can see that she still has the documents.

What will FCPS do now?

Nothing. As as Reid said, “investigation over”. Case closed. Nothing to see here. Happy Holidays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS should be held accountable for their carelessness.

And Callie should also be held accountable for violating privacy of thousands of families.

And on page 65 of this thread, this statement sums it all up neatly. You can hand wave all you want (and that's been done REPEATEDLY over the past 65 pages) but this still holds true.

Exactly. 65 pages of back and forth. If you can find an attorney who will take your case, do it. What I’m seeing is a lot of people who I suspect already contacted an attorney and were told they don’t have a case who keep coming back here and “hand waving” hoping they can get some satisfaction for their misplaced anger.

People can be angry at multiple things.

FCPS? Of course.

Callie? She is 100% responsible for her own actions. Anger towards her is not misplaced.

It’s misplaced because nobody’s mad at the dozens of other parents who sifted through all the data that wasn’t about their kid to find the data about their kid and is likely sitting in an insecure manner on a desktop or server because they don’t have a defined disposal process or a strong security protocol because they are a person and not an organization, unlike Callie, who is a 501c3 and has a destruction protocol. I’m more upset that it’s sitting insecure on many people’s personal computers where one click on a malware link can put everything for sale on the dark web.

1. Callie is not a 501c3. She is the President of a Virginia Nonstock Corporation. The corporation is a separate legal entity from Callie.

2. As far as I can tell, Callie submitted the FOIA in her personal name, and was not acting in her capacity as Officer or Director of Special Education Action Inc. when she took the privileged data from FCPS and transferred it to SEA Inc. So Callie is legally exposed twice for her actions: once in her individual capacity and once in her capacity as Officer and Director of Special Education Action Inc.. The Directors of Special Education Action Inc. also have possible legal exposure if they failed their oversight duties as Directors. Hopefully Callie got them D&O insurance (but I somehow doubt it).

3. Non-profits don’t have “a destruction protocol” unless they are the Terminator. Most non-profits have “document retention policy”, but this is typically not a legal requirement. Nothing prevents the President of a non-profit to put stuff on the dark web, especially if her Board of Directors does not provide serious oversight.

4. The IRS DOES require non-profits to have a Conflict of Interest policy. For instance, using your official position in a non-profit to pursue a personal vendetta against FCPS (or pursue a specific political agenda) would be a potential COI. Failure to have or enforce your COI can result in a 501c3 losing tax-exempt status.

5. Callie (and the I-am-not-Callies that are on the Board of Directors or serve as Officers) were clearly not well-served by Legalzoom as they failed to register with the VDACS Office of Charitable and Regulatory Programs (https://cos.vdacs.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/char_search.cgi). Until they do, Special Education Action Inc. is not allowed to solicit donations in the Commonwealth of Virginia and is subject to considerable penalties.

If Callie and the I-am-not-Callies can’t properly run their own lemonade stand in a legal manner, they probably should stop making inaccurate statements on this forum and be a lot more respectful of the public servants who are doing their best to serve the community.

Per Michele Reid. I’m quoting her because I’m not the president of Harvard.

“The parent and their attorney have provided declarations under oath and penalty of perjury stating they have deleted and do not have any of the identifiable student information that was involved in this incident.”

Did the FCPS not even bother to click on her website to see if the information had been removed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, when I wrote back to complain that no one had replied to my email within the promised 5 business days, I got another auto-response saying they would reply within 12 business days🙄🙄🤔

Its amazing that FCPS can hire all these private contractors to help clean up their mess (forensic computer people. a law firm., Experian) but they can't have one FCPS employee available to provide information to families.

WORD

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, when I wrote back to complain that no one had replied to my email within the promised 5 business days, I got another auto-response saying they would reply within 12 business days🙄🙄🤔

Its amazing that FCPS can hire all these private contractors to help clean up their mess (forensic computer people. a law firm., Experian) but they can't have one FCPS employee available to provide information to families.

WORD

I think Callie is terrible.


Also, FCPS is lying about her stealing data. They were ordered by a judge to give her data. She could not have taken it illegally. It was a thumb drive, not copied papers.