3 children dead in private Christian elementary school shooting in TN

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If you haven't noticed, this is a DC metro site, not a TN site.

I'm not sure how worrying about many many other kids getting shot is disrespectful. Is wondering about the role of conservative churches in all this disrespectful as well?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m disappointed at the press photographers so greedily trying to get their money shot after a tragedy like this. The pic of the crying kid on the school bus which is plastered on the CNN website makes me so angry. What about that poor child’s privacy? That child just experienced a traumatic event. The press are just as disgusting as the politicians who do nothing. I’m sick of people turning tragedy into profit.

FULLY agree.

Fully disagree. The public needs to see the devastation guns cause.

+1. we need another Mamie Till-Mobley, an open casket when everybody can see what is left of the little angel. in Uvalde, kids were identified by the shoes or clothing, kids had arms and legs severed from the body. when these shootings happen, more and more there are unarmed survivors and dead people. everybody who is hit, dies. ER doctors have been saying this for a while, injuries from shootings now are devastating

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The reason why Parkland was so jarring was because it was a high school where 99% of the student body had phones. We saw firsthand accounts of the teens hiding in fear and crying. We saw video compilations of screenshots from teens texting their parents what was going on and goodbye messages. We saw videos and photos of the carnage as the teens were ushered out. They were also old enough to speak with reporters on their own and many gave firsthand accounts of seeing the wounded.

The public can't understand and comprehend the devastation these guns produce without photographic proof.

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Anonymous wrote:Sane people don't go around mass murdering people. Clearly this woman was mentally ill (even her parents had concerns about her well-being). The problem is mental illness, not guns.

+1000

But what would this mentally ill person have done without legally purchased guns? Not shoot 6 people dead.

There are other ways to harm than just guns. Such as bombs, using cars as a weapon, poisonous gas, etc.

If someone wants to kill, they’re going to do it. Taking one tool away to kill won’t solve that.

Then why don’t we see this happening with the same frequency in other countries?

Because other countries don’t push violence on tv 24/7 like America does.

And they have much more strict gun regulation they usually pass after the first mass shooting. Unlike the US were guns more before people.

Yup. In the US, mass shootings BOOST gun sales.

That’s just how dysfunctional our country is.

As it should be. I want to protect myself from a crazy shooter.

Okay. But you can’t, not in reality. “Good” guys are never the iconic cowboys they think they’ll be. They’re too afraid to remember how to shoot at all or they shoot innocents or just crap themselves like everyone else. And honestly what kind of mental problem is it if someone keeps buying guns with each mass shooting? At the end of the year, if you bought one gun for every mass shooting in 2021, you’d have 690 guns and then an additional 647 for 2022 and then 131 for this year so far. What kind of idiot needs 1468 guns to feel better about themselves? A gulllible, egotistical and not very intelligent kind of idiot.

Hop on youtube and you will find plenty of evidence to the contrary. There are channels dedicated to that sort of thing.

Hop into the news and you can find plenty of evidence that I’m right and you’re wrong.

Actually you can find actual evidence - not a pathetic YouTube wormhole someone uses to ramp up their cortisol - that I’m right and you’re wrong.

“In fact, recently gathered data show that fewer than one-third of all active shooters are actually stopped by law enforcement. Moreover, "good guys" with both guns and badges have been responsible for dozens of friendly-fire deaths of their fellow officers, and the other "good guys with guns"—security guards or bystanders—are frequently killed by police arriving on the scene. In fact, in the last seven years alone, police officers have shot and killed more than 8,000 people in this country.” https://policingequity.org/resources/blog/the-fiction-of-a-good-guy-with-a-gun

“From 2000 to 2021, ALERRT researchers studied 464 attacks (434 shootings, 23 knife attacks and seven vehicle attacks) and found civilians — including security guards and off-duty police officers — stopped attackers before police arrived on 73 occasions. In the vast majority of those cases (67%), bystanders subdued the assailant using physical force.

An armed civilian stopped attacks by shooting the suspect in 24 of the 464 attacks recorded, about 5% of all events.” Emphasis mine. Wowie. 5% to 67% of people just going for it and overpowering the loser gun nut. https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/midwest/how-often-does-a-good-guy-with-a-gun-end-an-attack/

Gosh, how about just a good guy who’s not a cop but is paid to be there? Like a school officer, how about that? “Research disputes recent assertions from Cruz and others that armed law enforcement on campus is “the most effective tool for keeping kids safe.” A 2021 JAMA Network Open study analyzed every documented incident from 1980-2019 in which “one or more people was intentionally shot in a school building during the school day, or where a perpetrator came to school heavily armed with the intent of firing indiscriminately.” It found “no association between having an armed officer and deterrence of violence.” “When there’s more guns, more people die,” says Jillian Peterson, one of the author’s of the JAMA study.” Oh, so no joy there, either. https://time.com/6182970/good-guys-guns-mass-shootings-uvalde/

I’ve got a crazy mad idea but given that the Republicans would just as soon see every last one of us exploded in a red explosion of tissue and have tried nothing: WHAT ABOUT IF WE DIDN’T HAVE SO DUCKING MANY GUNS. It’s so crazy it just might work here like it does in every other ducking country with gun control.

Stat is incorrect. 5% is actually around 55%. All one has to do is aggregate the actual reported news for a year.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/08/10/the_good_guys_with_guns_the_fbi_stats_omit_846869.html#!

Sorry, John Lott is one person with an opinion, that doesn't make his information factual. He has been discredited. Typical GOP, don't get that one opinion doesn't make a fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott

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Anonymous wrote:Sane people don't go around mass murdering people. Clearly this woman was mentally ill (even her parents had concerns about her well-being). The problem is mental illness, not guns.

+1000

But what would this mentally ill person have done without legally purchased guns? Not shoot 6 people dead.

There are other ways to harm than just guns. Such as bombs, using cars as a weapon, poisonous gas, etc.

If someone wants to kill, they’re going to do it. Taking one tool away to kill won’t solve that.

Then why don’t we see this happening with the same frequency in other countries?

Because other countries don’t push violence on tv 24/7 like America does.

And they have much more strict gun regulation they usually pass after the first mass shooting. Unlike the US were guns more before people.

Yup. In the US, mass shootings BOOST gun sales.

That’s just how dysfunctional our country is.

As it should be. I want to protect myself from a crazy shooter.

Okay. But you can’t, not in reality. “Good” guys are never the iconic cowboys they think they’ll be. They’re too afraid to remember how to shoot at all or they shoot innocents or just crap themselves like everyone else. And honestly what kind of mental problem is it if someone keeps buying guns with each mass shooting? At the end of the year, if you bought one gun for every mass shooting in 2021, you’d have 690 guns and then an additional 647 for 2022 and then 131 for this year so far. What kind of idiot needs 1468 guns to feel better about themselves? A gulllible, egotistical and not very intelligent kind of idiot.

Hop on youtube and you will find plenty of evidence to the contrary. There are channels dedicated to that sort of thing.

Hop into the news and you can find plenty of evidence that I’m right and you’re wrong.

Actually you can find actual evidence - not a pathetic YouTube wormhole someone uses to ramp up their cortisol - that I’m right and you’re wrong.

“In fact, recently gathered data show that fewer than one-third of all active shooters are actually stopped by law enforcement. Moreover, "good guys" with both guns and badges have been responsible for dozens of friendly-fire deaths of their fellow officers, and the other "good guys with guns"—security guards or bystanders—are frequently killed by police arriving on the scene. In fact, in the last seven years alone, police officers have shot and killed more than 8,000 people in this country.” https://policingequity.org/resources/blog/the-fiction-of-a-good-guy-with-a-gun

“From 2000 to 2021, ALERRT researchers studied 464 attacks (434 shootings, 23 knife attacks and seven vehicle attacks) and found civilians — including security guards and off-duty police officers — stopped attackers before police arrived on 73 occasions. In the vast majority of those cases (67%), bystanders subdued the assailant using physical force.

An armed civilian stopped attacks by shooting the suspect in 24 of the 464 attacks recorded, about 5% of all events.” Emphasis mine. Wowie. 5% to 67% of people just going for it and overpowering the loser gun nut. https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/midwest/how-often-does-a-good-guy-with-a-gun-end-an-attack/

Gosh, how about just a good guy who’s not a cop but is paid to be there? Like a school officer, how about that? “Research disputes recent assertions from Cruz and others that armed law enforcement on campus is “the most effective tool for keeping kids safe.” A 2021 JAMA Network Open study analyzed every documented incident from 1980-2019 in which “one or more people was intentionally shot in a school building during the school day, or where a perpetrator came to school heavily armed with the intent of firing indiscriminately.” It found “no association between having an armed officer and deterrence of violence.” “When there’s more guns, more people die,” says Jillian Peterson, one of the author’s of the JAMA study.” Oh, so no joy there, either. https://time.com/6182970/good-guys-guns-mass-shootings-uvalde/

I’ve got a crazy mad idea but given that the Republicans would just as soon see every last one of us exploded in a red explosion of tissue and have tried nothing: WHAT ABOUT IF WE DIDN’T HAVE SO DUCKING MANY GUNS. It’s so crazy it just might work here like it does in every other ducking country with gun control.

Stat is incorrect. 5% is actually around 55%. All one has to do is aggregate the actual reported news for a year.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/08/10/the_good_guys_with_guns_the_fbi_stats_omit_846869.html#!

Sorry, John Lott is one person with an opinion, that doesn't make his information factual. He has been discredited. Typical GOP, don't get that one opinion doesn't make a fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott

https://econjwatch.org/articles/yet-another-refutation-of-the-more-guns-less-crime-hypothesis-with-some-help-from-moody-and-marvell

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

"Too soon" to talk about the TN shooting?

Fine. Then what about Parkland? What about Uvalde? WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER SCHOOL SHOOTINGS?

You CANNOT just say "too soon" and "insensitive" because it's just another deflection and NEVER will still be "too soon" for gun hugging idiots like you.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

For real, anyone who bickers with the fact that we need more gun control after this is being very disrepectful and insensitive. Those who disagree that we need more gun control are practically holding the doors open of the next school that is about to get shot up, inviting the shooter to come on in. They are supporting the shooters rather than the families.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m disappointed at the press photographers so greedily trying to get their money shot after a tragedy like this. The pic of the crying kid on the school bus which is plastered on the CNN website makes me so angry. What about that poor child’s privacy? That child just experienced a traumatic event. The press are just as disgusting as the politicians who do nothing. I’m sick of people turning tragedy into profit.

FULLY agree.

If you're so bothered by the media coverage of these shootings then maybe you should think about DOING SOMETHING TO STOP THE SHOOTINGS? Like sensible gun control? Like mental health?

So much cognitive dissonance with you people. I cannot even.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

For real, anyone who bickers with the fact that we need more gun control after this is being very disrepectful and insensitive. Those who disagree that we need more gun control are practically holding the doors open of the next school that is about to get shot up, inviting the shooter to come on in. They are supporting the shooters rather than the families.

+1

The single biggest and most disrespectful thing we can do to dishonor these families is to just shrug, mumble some empty nonsense about "thoughts and prayers" and do absolutely nothing to fix it.

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Anonymous wrote:Sane people don't go around mass murdering people. Clearly this woman was mentally ill (even her parents had concerns about her well-being). The problem is mental illness, not guns.

+1000

But what would this mentally ill person have done without legally purchased guns? Not shoot 6 people dead.

There are other ways to harm than just guns. Such as bombs, using cars as a weapon, poisonous gas, etc.

If someone wants to kill, they’re going to do it. Taking one tool away to kill won’t solve that.

Then why don’t we see this happening with the same frequency in other countries?

Because other countries don’t push violence on tv 24/7 like America does.

And they have much more strict gun regulation they usually pass after the first mass shooting. Unlike the US were guns more before people.

Yup. In the US, mass shootings BOOST gun sales.

That’s just how dysfunctional our country is.

As it should be. I want to protect myself from a crazy shooter.

Okay. But you can’t, not in reality. “Good” guys are never the iconic cowboys they think they’ll be. They’re too afraid to remember how to shoot at all or they shoot innocents or just crap themselves like everyone else. And honestly what kind of mental problem is it if someone keeps buying guns with each mass shooting? At the end of the year, if you bought one gun for every mass shooting in 2021, you’d have 690 guns and then an additional 647 for 2022 and then 131 for this year so far. What kind of idiot needs 1468 guns to feel better about themselves? A gulllible, egotistical and not very intelligent kind of idiot.

Hop on youtube and you will find plenty of evidence to the contrary. There are channels dedicated to that sort of thing.

Hop into the news and you can find plenty of evidence that I’m right and you’re wrong.

Actually you can find actual evidence - not a pathetic YouTube wormhole someone uses to ramp up their cortisol - that I’m right and you’re wrong.

“In fact, recently gathered data show that fewer than one-third of all active shooters are actually stopped by law enforcement. Moreover, "good guys" with both guns and badges have been responsible for dozens of friendly-fire deaths of their fellow officers, and the other "good guys with guns"—security guards or bystanders—are frequently killed by police arriving on the scene. In fact, in the last seven years alone, police officers have shot and killed more than 8,000 people in this country.” https://policingequity.org/resources/blog/the-fiction-of-a-good-guy-with-a-gun

“From 2000 to 2021, ALERRT researchers studied 464 attacks (434 shootings, 23 knife attacks and seven vehicle attacks) and found civilians — including security guards and off-duty police officers — stopped attackers before police arrived on 73 occasions. In the vast majority of those cases (67%), bystanders subdued the assailant using physical force.

An armed civilian stopped attacks by shooting the suspect in 24 of the 464 attacks recorded, about 5% of all events.” Emphasis mine. Wowie. 5% to 67% of people just going for it and overpowering the loser gun nut. https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/midwest/how-often-does-a-good-guy-with-a-gun-end-an-attack/

Gosh, how about just a good guy who’s not a cop but is paid to be there? Like a school officer, how about that? “Research disputes recent assertions from Cruz and others that armed law enforcement on campus is “the most effective tool for keeping kids safe.” A 2021 JAMA Network Open study analyzed every documented incident from 1980-2019 in which “one or more people was intentionally shot in a school building during the school day, or where a perpetrator came to school heavily armed with the intent of firing indiscriminately.” It found “no association between having an armed officer and deterrence of violence.” “When there’s more guns, more people die,” says Jillian Peterson, one of the author’s of the JAMA study.” Oh, so no joy there, either. https://time.com/6182970/good-guys-guns-mass-shootings-uvalde/

I’ve got a crazy mad idea but given that the Republicans would just as soon see every last one of us exploded in a red explosion of tissue and have tried nothing: WHAT ABOUT IF WE DIDN’T HAVE SO DUCKING MANY GUNS. It’s so crazy it just might work here like it does in every other ducking country with gun control.

Stat is incorrect. 5% is actually around 55%. All one has to do is aggregate the actual reported news for a year.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/08/10/the_good_guys_with_guns_the_fbi_stats_omit_846869.html#!

Sorry, John Lott is one person with an opinion, that doesn't make his information factual. He has been discredited. Typical GOP, don't get that one opinion doesn't make a fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott

He hasn't just been discredited. He has been completely discredited and been exposed as a sock puppeting fool.
Yet the gun humpers continue to trot out his "statistics". SMDH.
The derpness of it all.

[Anonymous]

Red states with permissive gun laws are to blame for urban city violence in blue states AND for increased mass shootings.

Why?
1) Majority of gun crime in blue urban areas (the crime that the GOP loves to blame on democratic leaders) are Straw purchases from RED STATES with permissive gun laws. As much as two thirds to over 80% are trafficked into cities from states with more permissive laws
2) Red states with permissive gun laws have higher rates of mass shootings per capita. Does it happen in blue states? Yes, but less likely per capita and on a downward trend whereas trending upward in red states with gun culture and free access to guns. This trend is getting worse over time.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

For real, anyone who bickers with the fact that we need more gun control after this is being very disrepectful and insensitive. Those who disagree that we need more gun control are practically holding the doors open of the next school that is about to get shot up, inviting the shooter to come on in. They are supporting the shooters rather than the families.

+1

The single biggest and most disrespectful thing we can do to dishonor these families is to just shrug, mumble some empty nonsense about "thoughts and prayers" and do absolutely nothing to fix it.

+1 thought and prayer and inaction people are an embarrassment to God when babies are being slaughtered. A true Christian will DO SOMETHING to promote legal action to make this less likely. A true Christian is disturbed by gun culture. A true Christian thinks a state that allows a sudden purchase of 7 guns LEGALLY without any red flag law is an abomination to family values and maintenance of a loving, safe community.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

"Too soon" to talk about the TN shooting?

Fine. Then what about Parkland? What about Uvalde? WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER SCHOOL SHOOTINGS?

You CANNOT just say "too soon" and "insensitive" because it's just another deflection and NEVER will still be "too soon" for gun hugging idiots like you.

DP. I would argue by the time there are bodies to bury, it is “too late” to be talking about gun violence.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Respectful to families who lost babies to yet another mass shooting means DOING SOMETHING. DEMANDING ACTION. I am a mother and I am so angry. JFC.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.