2028 Girls Lacrosse

[Anonymous]

M&D 2023 recruiting was a disaster?

Almost every girl on that team is going to a mid to high D1 school.

2 Maryland, 2 Clemson, 2 Brown, 2 Va Tech, ECU, BU and St Joseph's. Two girls decided not to play in college. I didn't even have to look it up because I know the girls on that team.

You have a wholly different definition of a disaster for recruiting than I do.

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Anonymous wrote:blue i believe. but in the end that is 27s. some may jettison for md clubs as well. heard there were a lot of blc players at md club tryouts the past 2 days. still seems like a lot is up in the air where kids are going is concerned.
but if blc is developing a stronger program than pride or stars what does that mean for 28s

The BLC 28 basically doesn't exist, all of their good players have left for either Stars or Baltimore teams.

My guess is Capital will generate interest from 28 players on Md teams who live in the DMV and may feel they aren’t getting the minutes they want, or haven’t gelled with the Md culture, or don’t like their coaches, etc. Some great players on those teams may see it as a more convenient solution to play for Capital, especially considering Capital’s recruiting history and D1 connections that are as good as any club in the country. They would be faced with a decision of leaving strong Md teams, which is a risk, absolutely. But if a player isn’t happy, no matter what club she’s on, and another option exists that could give her the same level of recruiting exposure, she could find it worthwhile to, at a minimum, pursue a Capital tryout. Whether she makes the team (or would commit to accepting any offer) would depend on the overall talent they attract. Given current talent dispersement at the 28 level it’s probably fair to say 28 Capital Orange will not have the same depth as the 27s given what we know about how tryouts are going.

Recognizing that you characterized as a "guess", this is an interesting analysis, but it's either extrapolating from a known example of one, or rampant speculation. If the breakdown of offers being discussed on the Capital Tryouts thread between BLC, Pride, and Stars is accurate, this phenomena did not occur at all in the 2027 class, despite several 27s from DMV playing for Baltimore teams. What's missing from your analysis is an explanation of why the 2028s would be any different, it's just stated. Looking at the recruiting records of M&D, Hero's etc, it looks like their A teams send virtually their full rosters to D1. Big risk to leave that kind of club.

Your prediction on Orange seems more plausible.

This didn’t happen for the 27s because the BLC 27s are a great team and had a wired pipeline to Capital (along with the strongest Pride and Stars players). That’s why BLC 27s represent over half the number picked for the Cap Blue 27 team (what we know so far). The few DMV players on Md clubs know this and the risk prop sways in their favor to stay where they are.

28 is different. It’s a weaker year for BLC which opens it up for everyone. The few DMV 28s on Md clubs who aren’t getting the experience they want may be more inclined to make the switch if they know they have a reasonable shot at making Capital if the traditional feeders aren’t as strong as prior years (or future ones portend).

Finally, not every Md club has recruiting success. M&D Black 23 recruiting was a huge disappointment (check the stats / ask anyone). Skywalkers Blue 2026 is currently ranked 17. A Md club residency alone doesn’t send its players to the D1 schools of their choice.

Appreciate the response and effort to lay out your thinking. You lost me at "[i]t's a weaker year for BLC which opens it up for everyone." No doubt BLC 27s have been a great team, but were area players on the Big 5 Baltimore clubs somehow prevented or dissuaded from considering Capital because BLC 27s were strong and somehow more proximate to CLC? That doesn't really make sense. I'm sure the Capital coaches would have been happy to see a strong player from one of those clubs at tryouts. Agree with the notion that there are more spots in general up for grabs in '28 without a BLC core likely to get offers, but I am less clear on why that is going to pull more girls from big 5 Baltimore clubs.

The Sky Walkers comment also seems like a tangent. Capital Blue 26 isn't in the top 10 either, has a shorter history and track record, and most posters seem to still have great confidence in their recruiting chances--for good reason.

I let the other poster's response on the disaster of '23 recruiting at one of those clubs stand...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:M&D 2023 recruiting was a disaster?

Almost every girl on that team is going to a mid to high D1 school.

2 Maryland, 2 Clemson, 2 Brown, 2 Va Tech, ECU, BU and St Joseph's. Two girls decided not to play in college. I didn't even have to look it up because I know the girls on that team.

You have a wholly different definition of a disaster for recruiting than I do.

By M&D standards? Yes, a disaster. The facts prove it.

23s had two top 20s. 22s had nine: UMD (3), UNC, BC, Florida, Hopkins (2) and Marquette, plus Stanford, Duke, Yale, Harvard and others. 21s had 10: UVA (2), Florida (2), ND, UNC (2), MI, Syracuse, and Loyola plus Duke and two to G’town (a great academic).

So yes … Compared to other M&D teams and the standard it claims to set as a perennial best, a disaster.

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Anonymous wrote:M&D 2023 recruiting was a disaster?

Almost every girl on that team is going to a mid to high D1 school.

2 Maryland, 2 Clemson, 2 Brown, 2 Va Tech, ECU, BU and St Joseph's. Two girls decided not to play in college. I didn't even have to look it up because I know the girls on that team.

You have a wholly different definition of a disaster for recruiting than I do.

By M&D standards? Yes, a disaster. The facts prove it.

23s had two top 20s. 22s had nine: UMD (3), UNC, BC, Florida, Hopkins (2) and Marquette, plus Stanford, Duke, Yale, Harvard and others. 21s had 10: UVA (2), Florida (2), ND, UNC (2), MI, Syracuse, and Loyola plus Duke and two to G’town (a great academic).

So yes … Compared to other M&D teams and the standard it claims to set as a perennial best, a disaster.

Correction: M&D Black 24s had ten top 20s (not the 21s).

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Anonymous wrote:blue i believe. but in the end that is 27s. some may jettison for md clubs as well. heard there were a lot of blc players at md club tryouts the past 2 days. still seems like a lot is up in the air where kids are going is concerned.
but if blc is developing a stronger program than pride or stars what does that mean for 28s

The BLC 28 basically doesn't exist, all of their good players have left for either Stars or Baltimore teams.

My guess is Capital will generate interest from 28 players on Md teams who live in the DMV and may feel they aren’t getting the minutes they want, or haven’t gelled with the Md culture, or don’t like their coaches, etc. Some great players on those teams may see it as a more convenient solution to play for Capital, especially considering Capital’s recruiting history and D1 connections that are as good as any club in the country. They would be faced with a decision of leaving strong Md teams, which is a risk, absolutely. But if a player isn’t happy, no matter what club she’s on, and another option exists that could give her the same level of recruiting exposure, she could find it worthwhile to, at a minimum, pursue a Capital tryout. Whether she makes the team (or would commit to accepting any offer) would depend on the overall talent they attract. Given current talent dispersement at the 28 level it’s probably fair to say 28 Capital Orange will not have the same depth as the 27s given what we know about how tryouts are going.

Recognizing that you characterized as a "guess", this is an interesting analysis, but it's either extrapolating from a known example of one, or rampant speculation. If the breakdown of offers being discussed on the Capital Tryouts thread between BLC, Pride, and Stars is accurate, this phenomena did not occur at all in the 2027 class, despite several 27s from DMV playing for Baltimore teams. What's missing from your analysis is an explanation of why the 2028s would be any different, it's just stated. Looking at the recruiting records of M&D, Hero's etc, it looks like their A teams send virtually their full rosters to D1. Big risk to leave that kind of club.

Your prediction on Orange seems more plausible.

This didn’t happen for the 27s because the BLC 27s are a great team and had a wired pipeline to Capital (along with the strongest Pride and Stars players). That’s why BLC 27s represent over half the number picked for the Cap Blue 27 team (what we know so far). The few DMV players on Md clubs know this and the risk prop sways in their favor to stay where they are.

28 is different. It’s a weaker year for BLC which opens it up for everyone. The few DMV 28s on Md clubs who aren’t getting the experience they want may be more inclined to make the switch if they know they have a reasonable shot at making Capital if the traditional feeders aren’t as strong as prior years (or future ones portend).

Finally, not every Md club has recruiting success. M&D Black 23 recruiting was a huge disappointment (check the stats / ask anyone). Skywalkers Blue 2026 is currently ranked 17. A Md club residency alone doesn’t send its players to the D1 schools of their choice.

Appreciate the response and effort to lay out your thinking. You lost me at "[i]t's a weaker year for BLC which opens it up for everyone." No doubt BLC 27s have been a great team, but were area players on the Big 5 Baltimore clubs somehow prevented or dissuaded from considering Capital because BLC 27s were strong and somehow more proximate to CLC? That doesn't really make sense. I'm sure the Capital coaches would have been happy to see a strong player from one of those clubs at tryouts. Agree with the notion that there are more spots in general up for grabs in '28 without a BLC core likely to get offers, but I am less clear on why that is going to pull more girls from big 5 Baltimore clubs.

The Sky Walkers comment also seems like a tangent. Capital Blue 26 isn't in the top 10 either, has a shorter history and track record, and most posters seem to still have great confidence in their recruiting chances--for good reason.

I let the other poster's response on the disaster of '23 recruiting at one of those clubs stand...

All fair points - note my prior post specifically addressed unhappy DMV players on Md teams as being those most likely to consider a switch (rather than those having successful experiences). Players change clubs for all sorts of reasons. If they aren’t hitting the field, aren’t meshing with the Md club culture, or don’t like their coaches, etc, they might want to play for a club closer to home that’s known for attracting and developing the area’s best talent and sending players to great D1 programs and schools.

As for the DMV 27s currently on Md clubs, those players knew they didn’t have a strong chance of making Cap Blue 27 because they weren’t previously known to Cap leadership (unlike the entire BLC 27 team). Others have said Cap brass knew well in advance who they were going to take for the team - any player unknown to them who believes they can show up to a two hour tryout with expectations of making Cap Blue 27 would need to be Izzy Scane to get the evaluators’ attention. No DMV 27 on any Md club has that kind of stuff.

That’s why I suspect those players were disinclined to attend this week’s tryout.

The lanes will be much wider for players from around the region to get noticed at a 28 Cap tryout given the weakness of the BLC class for reasons noted.

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Anonymous wrote:So, any preliminary word on how tryouts went today? Who showed up? Etc.

Any Pride girls show to Heros tryout?

Any non-Pride impact player show up?

Yes. Great NL middie

Is NL middie now a Hero’s middie?

That is the rumor.

Confirmed.

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Anonymous wrote:blue i believe. but in the end that is 27s. some may jettison for md clubs as well. heard there were a lot of blc players at md club tryouts the past 2 days. still seems like a lot is up in the air where kids are going is concerned.
but if blc is developing a stronger program than pride or stars what does that mean for 28s

The BLC 28 basically doesn't exist, all of their good players have left for either Stars or Baltimore teams.

My guess is Capital will generate interest from 28 players on Md teams who live in the DMV and may feel they aren’t getting the minutes they want, or haven’t gelled with the Md culture, or don’t like their coaches, etc. Some great players on those teams may see it as a more convenient solution to play for Capital, especially considering Capital’s recruiting history and D1 connections that are as good as any club in the country. They would be faced with a decision of leaving strong Md teams, which is a risk, absolutely. But if a player isn’t happy, no matter what club she’s on, and another option exists that could give her the same level of recruiting exposure, she could find it worthwhile to, at a minimum, pursue a Capital tryout. Whether she makes the team (or would commit to accepting any offer) would depend on the overall talent they attract. Given current talent dispersement at the 28 level it’s probably fair to say 28 Capital Orange will not have the same depth as the 27s given what we know about how tryouts are going.

Got it. Some solid points above. Enjoyed the civil colloquy.

Recognizing that you characterized as a "guess", this is an interesting analysis, but it's either extrapolating from a known example of one, or rampant speculation. If the breakdown of offers being discussed on the Capital Tryouts thread between BLC, Pride, and Stars is accurate, this phenomena did not occur at all in the 2027 class, despite several 27s from DMV playing for Baltimore teams. What's missing from your analysis is an explanation of why the 2028s would be any different, it's just stated. Looking at the recruiting records of M&D, Hero's etc, it looks like their A teams send virtually their full rosters to D1. Big risk to leave that kind of club.

Your prediction on Orange seems more plausible.

This didn’t happen for the 27s because the BLC 27s are a great team and had a wired pipeline to Capital (along with the strongest Pride and Stars players). That’s why BLC 27s represent over half the number picked for the Cap Blue 27 team (what we know so far). The few DMV players on Md clubs know this and the risk prop sways in their favor to stay where they are.

28 is different. It’s a weaker year for BLC which opens it up for everyone. The few DMV 28s on Md clubs who aren’t getting the experience they want may be more inclined to make the switch if they know they have a reasonable shot at making Capital if the traditional feeders aren’t as strong as prior years (or future ones portend).

Finally, not every Md club has recruiting success. M&D Black 23 recruiting was a huge disappointment (check the stats / ask anyone). Skywalkers Blue 2026 is currently ranked 17. A Md club residency alone doesn’t send its players to the D1 schools of their choice.

Appreciate the response and effort to lay out your thinking. You lost me at "[i]t's a weaker year for BLC which opens it up for everyone." No doubt BLC 27s have been a great team, but were area players on the Big 5 Baltimore clubs somehow prevented or dissuaded from considering Capital because BLC 27s were strong and somehow more proximate to CLC? That doesn't really make sense. I'm sure the Capital coaches would have been happy to see a strong player from one of those clubs at tryouts. Agree with the notion that there are more spots in general up for grabs in '28 without a BLC core likely to get offers, but I am less clear on why that is going to pull more girls from big 5 Baltimore clubs.

The Sky Walkers comment also seems like a tangent. Capital Blue 26 isn't in the top 10 either, has a shorter history and track record, and most posters seem to still have great confidence in their recruiting chances--for good reason.

I let the other poster's response on the disaster of '23 recruiting at one of those clubs stand...

All fair points - note my prior post specifically addressed unhappy DMV players on Md teams as being those most likely to consider a switch (rather than those having successful experiences). Players change clubs for all sorts of reasons. If they aren’t hitting the field, aren’t meshing with the Md club culture, or don’t like their coaches, etc, they might want to play for a club closer to home that’s known for attracting and developing the area’s best talent and sending players to great D1 programs and schools.

As for the DMV 27s currently on Md clubs, those players knew they didn’t have a strong chance of making Cap Blue 27 because they weren’t previously known to Cap leadership (unlike the entire BLC 27 team). Others have said Cap brass knew well in advance who they were going to take for the team - any player unknown to them who believes they can show up to a two hour tryout with expectations of making Cap Blue 27 would need to be Izzy Scane to get the evaluators’ attention. No DMV 27 on any Md club has that kind of stuff.

That’s why I suspect those players were disinclined to attend this week’s tryout.

The lanes will be much wider for players from around the region to get noticed at a 28 Cap tryout given the weakness of the BLC class for reasons noted.

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Anonymous wrote:blue i believe. but in the end that is 27s. some may jettison for md clubs as well. heard there were a lot of blc players at md club tryouts the past 2 days. still seems like a lot is up in the air where kids are going is concerned.
but if blc is developing a stronger program than pride or stars what does that mean for 28s

The BLC 28 basically doesn't exist, all of their good players have left for either Stars or Baltimore teams.

My guess is Capital will generate interest from 28 players on Md teams who live in the DMV and may feel they aren’t getting the minutes they want, or haven’t gelled with the Md culture, or don’t like their coaches, etc. Some great players on those teams may see it as a more convenient solution to play for Capital, especially considering Capital’s recruiting history and D1 connections that are as good as any club in the country. They would be faced with a decision of leaving strong Md teams, which is a risk, absolutely. But if a player isn’t happy, no matter what club she’s on, and another option exists that could give her the same level of recruiting exposure, she could find it worthwhile to, at a minimum, pursue a Capital tryout. Whether she makes the team (or would commit to accepting any offer) would depend on the overall talent they attract. Given current talent dispersement at the 28 level it’s probably fair to say 28 Capital Orange will not have the same depth as the 27s given what we know about how tryouts are going.

Recognizing that you characterized as a "guess", this is an interesting analysis, but it's either extrapolating from a known example of one, or rampant speculation. If the breakdown of offers being discussed on the Capital Tryouts thread between BLC, Pride, and Stars is accurate, this phenomena did not occur at all in the 2027 class, despite several 27s from DMV playing for Baltimore teams. What's missing from your analysis is an explanation of why the 2028s would be any different, it's just stated. Looking at the recruiting records of M&D, Hero's etc, it looks like their A teams send virtually their full rosters to D1. Big risk to leave that kind of club.

Your prediction on Orange seems more plausible.

This didn’t happen for the 27s because the BLC 27s are a great team and had a wired pipeline to Capital (along with the strongest Pride and Stars players). That’s why BLC 27s represent over half the number picked for the Cap Blue 27 team (what we know so far). The few DMV players on Md clubs know this and the risk prop sways in their favor to stay where they are.

28 is different. It’s a weaker year for BLC which opens it up for everyone. The few DMV 28s on Md clubs who aren’t getting the experience they want may be more inclined to make the switch if they know they have a reasonable shot at making Capital if the traditional feeders aren’t as strong as prior years (or future ones portend).

Finally, not every Md club has recruiting success. M&D Black 23 recruiting was a huge disappointment (check the stats / ask anyone). Skywalkers Blue 2026 is currently ranked 17. A Md club residency alone doesn’t send its players to the D1 schools of their choice.

Appreciate the response and effort to lay out your thinking. You lost me at "[i]t's a weaker year for BLC which opens it up for everyone." No doubt BLC 27s have been a great team, but were area players on the Big 5 Baltimore clubs somehow prevented or dissuaded from considering Capital because BLC 27s were strong and somehow more proximate to CLC? That doesn't really make sense. I'm sure the Capital coaches would have been happy to see a strong player from one of those clubs at tryouts. Agree with the notion that there are more spots in general up for grabs in '28 without a BLC core likely to get offers, but I am less clear on why that is going to pull more girls from big 5 Baltimore clubs.

The Sky Walkers comment also seems like a tangent. Capital Blue 26 isn't in the top 10 either, has a shorter history and track record, and most posters seem to still have great confidence in their recruiting chances--for good reason.

I let the other poster's response on the disaster of '23 recruiting at one of those clubs stand...

All fair points - note my prior post specifically addressed unhappy DMV players on Md teams as being those most likely to consider a switch (rather than those having successful experiences). Players change clubs for all sorts of reasons. If they aren’t hitting the field, aren’t meshing with the Md club culture, or don’t like their coaches, etc, they might want to play for a club closer to home that’s known for attracting and developing the area’s best talent and sending players to great D1 programs and schools.

As for the DMV 27s currently on Md clubs, those players knew they didn’t have a strong chance of making Cap Blue 27 because they weren’t previously known to Cap leadership (unlike the entire BLC 27 team). Others have said Cap brass knew well in advance who they were going to take for the team - any player unknown to them who believes they can show up to a two hour tryout with expectations of making Cap Blue 27 would need to be Izzy Scane to get the evaluators’ attention. No DMV 27 on any Md club has that kind of stuff.

That’s why I suspect those players were disinclined to attend this week’s tryout.

The lanes will be much wider for players from around the region to get noticed at a 28 Cap tryout given the weakness of the BLC class for reasons noted.

Second attempt: Got it. Some solid points above. Enjoyed the civil colloquy.

[Anonymous]

So are BLC and Next Level even going to have 2028 teams? YJMA is non existent at 28, and the better Va metro players seem to be leaving. I assume Stars and Pride will benefit from that.

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Anonymous wrote:So are BLC and Next Level even going to have 2028 teams? YJMA is non existent at 28, and the better Va metro players seem to be leaving. I assume Stars and Pride will benefit from that.

The best player on Metro is leaving too. Except for Stars and Pride, the other 28 teams in the area are decimated and basically rec level.

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Anonymous wrote:So are BLC and Next Level even going to have 2028 teams? YJMA is non existent at 28, and the better Va metro players seem to be leaving. I assume Stars and Pride will benefit from that.

The best player on Metro is leaving too. Except for Stars and Pride, the other 28 teams in the area are decimated and basically rec level.

Where is VA Metro player going?

[Anonymous]

Who won US Nationals in DE this week, anyone know?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So are BLC and Next Level even going to have 2028 teams? YJMA is non existent at 28, and the better Va metro players seem to be leaving. I assume Stars and Pride will benefit from that.

The best player on Metro is leaving too. Except for Stars and Pride, the other 28 teams in the area are decimated and basically rec level.

The best players left on Metro left for Pride weeks ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Who won US Nationals in DE this week, anyone know?

Hero's won the tourney going away. A really good 8 team bracket with Coppermine, Aces, Steps, YJs x2, Urban Elite, and Monsters Elit.

There is a robust conversation on the Back of the Cage Maryland thread on why Coppermine lost to an inferior Urban Elite team.

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Anonymous wrote:So are BLC and Next Level even going to have 2028 teams? YJMA is non existent at 28, and the better Va metro players seem to be leaving. I assume Stars and Pride will benefit from that.

The best player on Metro is leaving too. Except for Stars and Pride, the other 28 teams in the area are decimated and basically rec level.

The best players left on Metro left for Pride weeks ago.

I am not aware this is true.