Another gunman, another elementary school

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Anonymous wrote:When I saw the press conference it looked like some people on stage were uncomfortable….maybe they were uncomfortable with the lies coming out of abbott’s mouth? I doubt it.

They were probably uncomfortable because they knew Abbott hadn’t done shit by way of response except waltz off to a political fundraiser and work on his NRA conference speech.

Yup.

And did he really not even mention teachers at that press conference?

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Anonymous wrote:How was Ramos able to enter the school? Were the doors unlocked, and anybody could just walk in holding a machine gun?

How did he gets machined gun?

I heard he bought the gun at a store. But how did he enter the school was the question I asked - was it not locked? Our public is locked after school starts.

Do you think a locked door is stopping a guy with a machine gun? Jfc.

Yes, I do. For a while at least, maybe he could have been shot by an officer outside. We have locks on our house and office. Locks are a great device for doors. If used.

Sandy Hook was locked.

Stop playing devils advocate. You lock your home front door. You lock your car. You have a keychain with keys for locks. And if a psycho with a machine gun came to your house, you damn well know you'd lock the door.

DP. And the psycho with a machine gun would blow right through your door. I mean, locks didn’t work at Sandy Hook because the shooter shot his way through the door.

You assume. You don't know. Maybe all officers needed was a delay. And what if the classroom door was locked too. But like what I stated previously, if Ramos came to your house with an AR-15, you would lock the door. But I suppose you may play devils advocate here and allege the lock is useless, calling police useless, and you'd just leave the door open and see.

Did they say the school wasn’t locked? The classroom?

He got in through a side door, and they're unsure whether it was unlocked or he blew out the lock.

Oh they know but are not saying.

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Reports coming out that the police waited outside the school for over an hour while the shooter was inside. Kids were bleeding out while they were too much of cowards to help. Despicable. They should all be fired. Cops are not the answer!

How absolutely traumatizing for the parents. If the police won’t help children with a gunman inside. They would have every right to lose all faith with the community of law enforcement.

That makes me even madder about the Uvalde mayor cussing out Beto. Sure, tough guy.

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Anonymous wrote:How was Ramos able to enter the school? Were the doors unlocked, and anybody could just walk in holding a machine gun?

How did he gets machined gun?

I heard he bought the gun at a store. But how did he enter the school was the question I asked - was it not locked? Our public is locked after school starts.

Do you think a locked door is stopping a guy with a machine gun? Jfc.

Yes, I do. For a while at least, maybe he could have been shot by an officer outside. We have locks on our house and office. Locks are a great device for doors. If used.

Sandy Hook was locked.

Stop playing devils advocate. You lock your home front door. You lock your car. You have a keychain with keys for locks. And if a psycho with a machine gun came to your house, you damn well know you'd lock the door.

DP. And the psycho with a machine gun would blow right through your door. I mean, locks didn’t work at Sandy Hook because the shooter shot his way through the door.

You assume. You don't know. Maybe all officers needed was a delay. And what if the classroom door was locked too. But like what I stated previously, if Ramos came to your house with an AR-15, you would lock the door. But I suppose you may play devils advocate here and allege the lock is useless, calling police useless, and you'd just leave the door open and see.

Did they say the school wasn’t locked? The classroom?

He got in through a side door, and they're unsure whether it was unlocked or he blew out the lock.

Oh they know but are not saying.

Report back anyone if you hear more

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Anonymous wrote:How was Ramos able to enter the school? Were the doors unlocked, and anybody could just walk in holding a machine gun?

How did he gets machined gun?

I heard he bought the gun at a store. But how did he enter the school was the question I asked - was it not locked? Our public is locked after school starts.

Do you think a locked door is stopping a guy with a machine gun? Jfc.

Yes, I do. For a while at least, maybe he could have been shot by an officer outside. We have locks on our house and office. Locks are a great device for doors. If used.

Sandy Hook was locked.

Stop playing devils advocate. You lock your home front door. You lock your car. You have a keychain with keys for locks. And if a psycho with a machine gun came to your house, you damn well know you'd lock the door.

DP. And the psycho with a machine gun would blow right through your door. I mean, locks didn’t work at Sandy Hook because the shooter shot his way through the door.

You assume. You don't know. Maybe all officers needed was a delay. And what if the classroom door was locked too. But like what I stated previously, if Ramos came to your house with an AR-15, you would lock the door. But I suppose you may play devils advocate here and allege the lock is useless, calling police useless, and you'd just leave the door open and see.

Did they say the school wasn’t locked? The classroom?

He got in through a side door, and they're unsure whether it was unlocked or he blew out the lock.

Oh they know but are not saying.

Report back anyone if you hear more

CNN says the door was not locked.

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Anonymous wrote:How was Ramos able to enter the school? Were the doors unlocked, and anybody could just walk in holding a machine gun?

How did he gets machined gun?

I heard he bought the gun at a store. But how did he enter the school was the question I asked - was it not locked? Our public is locked after school starts.

Do you think a locked door is stopping a guy with a machine gun? Jfc.

Yes, I do. For a while at least, maybe he could have been shot by an officer outside. We have locks on our house and office. Locks are a great device for doors. If used.

Sandy Hook was locked.

Stop playing devils advocate. You lock your home front door. You lock your car. You have a keychain with keys for locks. And if a psycho with a machine gun came to your house, you damn well know you'd lock the door.

DP. And the psycho with a machine gun would blow right through your door. I mean, locks didn’t work at Sandy Hook because the shooter shot his way through the door.

You assume. You don't know. Maybe all officers needed was a delay. And what if the classroom door was locked too. But like what I stated previously, if Ramos came to your house with an AR-15, you would lock the door. But I suppose you may play devils advocate here and allege the lock is useless, calling police useless, and you'd just leave the door open and see.

Did they say the school wasn’t locked? The classroom?

He got in through a side door, and they're unsure whether it was unlocked or he blew out the lock.

Oh they know but are not saying.

Report back anyone if you hear more

CNN says the door was not locked.

"The gunman was able to enter the school "unimpeded" by any locks, Olivarez said, and gunfire was exchanged inside the school hallway between the gunman and officers who were right behind him."

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Anonymous wrote:It's not fair to beat up these LEOs. We don't know the situation at all. Once the guy is in you can't really just barge in without having a plan. The shooter already was in - that room was totally shot up. I mean once he's locked into a room he's not going anywhere and the damage is done. You have to ensure the safety of everyone else in there. You can't just go in and shoot it up so they followed protocol and waited for SWAT. It's not like the movies people. I would suggest the right questions are why he's able to get in at all. You can fault not getting him in outside of the school but once he's in and barricaded there's not much you can do. I don't know if they knew he was barricaded or not but look at any other shooting at as school and the shooters either Jill themselves inside the school or outside the school. Or if you are already inside and can engage them but to blindly just go in shooting is not really sensible. I think it's easier to be angry in hindsight but in the moment they had to be sure they could get him. Of course it's infuriating this could happen at all, it's absolutely horrific he could be in and get into a room at all. But really you don't know the reason they waited to go in and maybe they were getting other kids out in the meantime which is the best they could have done.

This is standard practice. I did my first active shooter training when I started teaching at JHU. The trainer was a retired LEO and he told us "you need to understand this is not the movies. No one is coming to save you. It's most likely that you will encounter law enforcement after the shooting stops." There is so much magical thinking about what officers can do in situations where a murderer can kill so many in such a short amount of time, when they can shatter doors (my child's school sent out a long message about school security, but they still have those glass doors that a shooter could be through in seconds), and that's not even getting into the body armor (the security guard in Buffalo hit the shooter but still couldn't stop him). And, if LEOs are more aggressive they will risk friendly fire deaths.

The local police funded a tactical team with tactical gear — who apparently did nothing. I’d also be willing to wager that the local sheriff and Texas Rangers have their own response teams. What exactly were they doing? Giving tours to Ted Cruz at the border?

I will tell you what I think happened. Texas local and state law enforcement would not enter the school and started tackling parents. These parent texted CBP officers who have kids at the school. They showed up armed and determined to save their kids. CBP took action and would have shot anyone including Texas law enforcement who got in their way.

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Anonymous wrote:how is an armed guard going to stop these types of shooters who have automatic weapons and body armor?
The Buffalo store officer could do nothing although he did shoot at the perpetrator.

I suppose the school guards will need to wear body armor and carry automatic rifles with many rounds?
Otherwise, they will be just sitting ducks. A pistol will do nothing against these types of killers.

They can not. These guards are low paid part time workers. I would question if their weapons and ammo are in working order. We are asking them to put themselves in mortal danger for people who look down their noise at them. Many are POC who are seen are the enemy because of BLM. Now they are to throw themselves in front of bullets to save others? Does not seem like an answer to the problem.

1. The Texas shooter was not wearing armor. It was a basic ammo vest.

2. The SRO’s in our county are full time Sheriff’s deputies. But they are only at the school full time for HS. At ES they only pop in occasionally so it does no good.

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Anonymous wrote:How was Ramos able to enter the school? Were the doors unlocked, and anybody could just walk in holding a machine gun?

How did he gets machined gun?

I heard he bought the gun at a store. But how did he enter the school was the question I asked - was it not locked? Our public is locked after school starts.

Do you think a locked door is stopping a guy with a machine gun? Jfc.

Yes, I do. For a while at least, maybe he could have been shot by an officer outside. We have locks on our house and office. Locks are a great device for doors. If used.

Sandy Hook was locked.

Stop playing devils advocate. You lock your home front door. You lock your car. You have a keychain with keys for locks. And if a psycho with a machine gun came to your house, you damn well know you'd lock the door.

DP. And the psycho with a machine gun would blow right through your door. I mean, locks didn’t work at Sandy Hook because the shooter shot his way through the door.

You assume. You don't know. Maybe all officers needed was a delay. And what if the classroom door was locked too. But like what I stated previously, if Ramos came to your house with an AR-15, you would lock the door. But I suppose you may play devils advocate here and allege the lock is useless, calling police useless, and you'd just leave the door open and see.

Did they say the school wasn’t locked? The classroom?

He got in through a side door, and they're unsure whether it was unlocked or he blew out the lock.

Oh they know but are not saying.

Report back anyone if you hear more

CNN says the door was not locked.

"The gunman was able to enter the school "unimpeded" by any locks, Olivarez said, and gunfire was exchanged inside the school hallway between the gunman and officers who were right behind him."

That's a major failure on the school's part. I think the killer may have staked out the school before to know this since he said he would shoot up an elem. school. Aren't most schools locked?

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Anonymous wrote:It's not fair to beat up these LEOs. We don't know the situation at all. Once the guy is in you can't really just barge in without having a plan. The shooter already was in - that room was totally shot up. I mean once he's locked into a room he's not going anywhere and the damage is done. You have to ensure the safety of everyone else in there. You can't just go in and shoot it up so they followed protocol and waited for SWAT. It's not like the movies people. I would suggest the right questions are why he's able to get in at all. You can fault not getting him in outside of the school but once he's in and barricaded there's not much you can do. I don't know if they knew he was barricaded or not but look at any other shooting at as school and the shooters either Jill themselves inside the school or outside the school. Or if you are already inside and can engage them but to blindly just go in shooting is not really sensible. I think it's easier to be angry in hindsight but in the moment they had to be sure they could get him. Of course it's infuriating this could happen at all, it's absolutely horrific he could be in and get into a room at all. But really you don't know the reason they waited to go in and maybe they were getting other kids out in the meantime which is the best they could have done.

This is standard practice. I did my first active shooter training when I started teaching at JHU. The trainer was a retired LEO and he told us "you need to understand this is not the movies. No one is coming to save you. It's most likely that you will encounter law enforcement after the shooting stops." There is so much magical thinking about what officers can do in situations where a murderer can kill so many in such a short amount of time, when they can shatter doors (my child's school sent out a long message about school security, but they still have those glass doors that a shooter could be through in seconds), and that's not even getting into the body armor (the security guard in Buffalo hit the shooter but still couldn't stop him). And, if LEOs are more aggressive they will risk friendly fire deaths.

The local police funded a tactical team with tactical gear — who apparently did nothing. I’d also be willing to wager that the local sheriff and Texas Rangers have their own response teams. What exactly were they doing? Giving tours to Ted Cruz at the border?

I will tell you what I think happened. Texas local and state law enforcement would not enter the school and started tackling parents. These parent texted CBP officers who have kids at the school. They showed up armed and determined to save their kids. CBP took action and would have shot anyone including Texas law enforcement who got in their way.

The CBP BORTAC unit is stationed 500 miles away in El Paso. This isn’t adding up.

BRW this is the same paramilitary group linked to gross civil rights abuses in Portland during the George Floyd protests. Excessive force. Abducting ptoresters in black vans. Etc.

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Anonymous wrote:how is an armed guard going to stop these types of shooters who have automatic weapons and body armor?
The Buffalo store officer could do nothing although he did shoot at the perpetrator.

I suppose the school guards will need to wear body armor and carry automatic rifles with many rounds?
Otherwise, they will be just sitting ducks. A pistol will do nothing against these types of killers.

They can not. These guards are low paid part time workers. I would question if their weapons and ammo are in working order. We are asking them to put themselves in mortal danger for people who look down their noise at them. Many are POC who are seen are the enemy because of BLM. Now they are to throw themselves in front of bullets to save others? Does not seem like an answer to the problem.

If it’s all theater, why bother then?

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Reports coming out that the police waited outside the school for over an hour while the shooter was inside. Kids were bleeding out while they were too much of cowards to help. Despicable. They should all be fired. Cops are not the answer!

How absolutely traumatizing for the parents. If the police won’t help children with a gunman inside. They would have every right to lose all faith with the community of law enforcement.

That makes me even madder about the Uvalde mayor cussing out Beto. Sure, tough guy.

Oh, my god. I’m actually in shock about this. PLEASE let this reality of the police doing nothing trend, people need to KNOW this. The safety theater that we waste so much on has to be discussed openly. I am so heartsick for the parents, teachers, and children.

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Anonymous wrote:How was Ramos able to enter the school? Were the doors unlocked, and anybody could just walk in holding a machine gun?

How did he gets machined gun?

I heard he bought the gun at a store. But how did he enter the school was the question I asked - was it not locked? Our public is locked after school starts.

Do you think a locked door is stopping a guy with a machine gun? Jfc.

Yes, I do. For a while at least, maybe he could have been shot by an officer outside. We have locks on our house and office. Locks are a great device for doors. If used.

Sandy Hook was locked.

Stop playing devils advocate. You lock your home front door. You lock your car. You have a keychain with keys for locks. And if a psycho with a machine gun came to your house, you damn well know you'd lock the door.

DP. And the psycho with a machine gun would blow right through your door. I mean, locks didn’t work at Sandy Hook because the shooter shot his way through the door.

You assume. You don't know. Maybe all officers needed was a delay. And what if the classroom door was locked too. But like what I stated previously, if Ramos came to your house with an AR-15, you would lock the door. But I suppose you may play devils advocate here and allege the lock is useless, calling police useless, and you'd just leave the door open and see.

Did they say the school wasn’t locked? The classroom?

He got in through a side door, and they're unsure whether it was unlocked or he blew out the lock.

Oh they know but are not saying.

Report back anyone if you hear more

CNN says the door was not locked.

"The gunman was able to enter the school "unimpeded" by any locks, Olivarez said, and gunfire was exchanged inside the school hallway between the gunman and officers who were right behind him."

That's a major failure on the school's part. I think the killer may have staked out the school before to know this since he said he would shoot up an elem. school. Aren't most schools locked?

He had attended the school. His grandmother had worked there. He didn’t need to stake it out.

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What I see in the comments here are a lot of folks who are very unfamiliar with firearms.

Nothing is effective against a fully loaded with high capacity magazine AR-15 except another fully loaded with high capacity magazine AR-15. If cops armed with standard issue 9mm handgun or even riot shotguns had chased after him into that classroom, there would just be a few more funerals to arrange with color guard and mass police presence in the mourning party.

We need to renew the federal assault weapons ban as supported by law enforcement agencies for decades. They know better than anyone how little they can do to protect us when the enemy is locked and loaded with assault rifles and tech 9s.

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I just replied above but cannot edit: so is it reasonable to conclude that the police were afraid of injury to themselves and decided to sacrifice those kids? If they weren’t locked out, why did they not enter? Why did they bar unarmed parents, in slippers and shorts, no armor, from entry?

Because they were afraid for themselves. Give me anything else to believe. I can’t begin to grapple with this. I’m unaware of a similar example.