Another gunman, another elementary school

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Anonymous wrote:How was Ramos able to enter the school? Were the doors unlocked, and anybody could just walk in holding a machine gun?

How did he gets machined gun?

I heard he bought the gun at a store. But how did he enter the school was the question I asked - was it not locked? Our public is locked after school starts.

Do you think a locked door is stopping a guy with a machine gun? Jfc.

Yes, I do. For a while at least, maybe he could have been shot by an officer outside. We have locks on our house and office. Locks are a great device for doors. If used.

Sandy Hook was locked.

Stop playing devils advocate. You lock your home front door. You lock your car. You have a keychain with keys for locks. And if a psycho with a machine gun came to your house, you damn well know you'd lock the door.

DP. And the psycho with a machine gun would blow right through your door. I mean, locks didn’t work at Sandy Hook because the shooter shot his way through the door.

You assume. You don't know. Maybe all officers needed was a delay. And what if the classroom door was locked too. But like what I stated previously, if Ramos came to your house with an AR-15, you would lock the door. But I suppose you may play devils advocate here and allege the lock is useless, calling police useless, and you'd just leave the door open and see.

Did they say the school wasn’t locked? The classroom?

Did he have to shoot his way through a locked door?

How would we know? Have they said? I know in Sandy Hook he did shoot his way through a locked front door.

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Anonymous wrote:How was Ramos able to enter the school? Were the doors unlocked, and anybody could just walk in holding a machine gun?

How did he gets machined gun?

I heard he bought the gun at a store. But how did he enter the school was the question I asked - was it not locked? Our public is locked after school starts.

Do you think a locked door is stopping a guy with a machine gun? Jfc.

Yes, I do. For a while at least, maybe he could have been shot by an officer outside. We have locks on our house and office. Locks are a great device for doors. If used.

Sandy Hook was locked.

Stop playing devils advocate. You lock your home front door. You lock your car. You have a keychain with keys for locks. And if a psycho with a machine gun came to your house, you damn well know you'd lock the door.

I’m not saying schools (or homes) should not be locked. Of course they should. I’m just saying that unless you want the buildings to be windowless, the AR15 will win every time.

Round and round we go. How about this, although my suspicion is you just want to play devils advocate anyway indefinitely. But here goes trying:

1) We acknowledge locking doors is right thing to do at school.

2) We acknowledge Texas school was not locked.

3) We acknowledge an 18 year old shouldn't own an AR-15.

4) We acknowledge if Ramos didn't have an AR-15, he likely would've used a different gun.

What? I agree with all of those statements, which has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that an AR15 can gain access to a locked school easily.

So are you suggesting not locking school doors until there's an AR-15 ban?

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Anonymous wrote:How was Ramos able to enter the school? Were the doors unlocked, and anybody could just walk in holding a machine gun?

How did he gets machined gun?

I heard he bought the gun at a store. But how did he enter the school was the question I asked - was it not locked? Our public is locked after school starts.

Do you think a locked door is stopping a guy with a machine gun? Jfc.

Yes, I do. For a while at least, maybe he could have been shot by an officer outside. We have locks on our house and office. Locks are a great device for doors. If used.

Sandy Hook was locked.

Stop playing devils advocate. You lock your home front door. You lock your car. You have a keychain with keys for locks. And if a psycho with a machine gun came to your house, you damn well know you'd lock the door.

DP. And the psycho with a machine gun would blow right through your door. I mean, locks didn’t work at Sandy Hook because the shooter shot his way through the door.

You assume. You don't know. Maybe all officers needed was a delay. And what if the classroom door was locked too. But like what I stated previously, if Ramos came to your house with an AR-15, you would lock the door. But I suppose you may play devils advocate here and allege the lock is useless, calling police useless, and you'd just leave the door open and see.

Did they say the school wasn’t locked? The classroom?

He got in through a side door, and they're unsure whether it was unlocked or he blew out the lock.

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Reports coming out that the police waited outside the school for over an hour while the shooter was inside. Kids were bleeding out while they were too much of cowards to help. Despicable. They should all be fired. Cops are not the answer!

I thought Texas had many good guys with guns who will protect their people. Where were they?

Not having their guns because the school is a no gun zone and they follow the law. Unlike people who want to shoot other people, who do not follow the law.

There was at least one armed officer at the school. Plus others who reportedly responded after the shooter crashed his truck. The police are on record that they “engaged” with the shooter before he entered the school.

Then they go in after him. Discharging your weapon one then giving up and waiting outside was the wrong thing to do. They should have continuously engaged with him and followed him in- until either he or they were unable to engage further.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not fair to beat up these LEOs. We don't know the situation at all. Once the guy is in you can't really just barge in without having a plan. The shooter already was in - that room was totally shot up. I mean once he's locked into a room he's not going anywhere and the damage is done. You have to ensure the safety of everyone else in there. You can't just go in and shoot it up so they followed protocol and waited for SWAT. It's not like the movies people. I would suggest the right questions are why he's able to get in at all. You can fault not getting him in outside of the school but once he's in and barricaded there's not much you can do. I don't know if they knew he was barricaded or not but look at any other shooting at as school and the shooters either Jill themselves inside the school or outside the school. Or if you are already inside and can engage them but to blindly just go in shooting is not really sensible. I think it's easier to be angry in hindsight but in the moment they had to be sure they could get him. Of course it's infuriating this could happen at all, it's absolutely horrific he could be in and get into a room at all. But really you don't know the reason they waited to go in and maybe they were getting other kids out in the meantime which is the best they could have done.

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Anonymous wrote:How was Ramos able to enter the school? Were the doors unlocked, and anybody could just walk in holding a machine gun?

How did he gets machined gun?

I heard he bought the gun at a store. But how did he enter the school was the question I asked - was it not locked? Our public is locked after school starts.

Do you think a locked door is stopping a guy with a machine gun? Jfc.

Yes, I do. For a while at least, maybe he could have been shot by an officer outside. We have locks on our house and office. Locks are a great device for doors. If used.

Sandy Hook was locked.

Stop playing devils advocate. You lock your home front door. You lock your car. You have a keychain with keys for locks. And if a psycho with a machine gun came to your house, you damn well know you'd lock the door.

Did you know people don’t lock their houses or cars in many parts of our country?

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Anonymous wrote:How was Ramos able to enter the school? Were the doors unlocked, and anybody could just walk in holding a machine gun?

How did he gets machined gun?

I heard he bought the gun at a store. But how did he enter the school was the question I asked - was it not locked? Our public is locked after school starts.

Do you think a locked door is stopping a guy with a machine gun? Jfc.

Yes, I do. For a while at least, maybe he could have been shot by an officer outside. We have locks on our house and office. Locks are a great device for doors. If used.

Sandy Hook was locked.

Stop playing devils advocate. You lock your home front door. You lock your car. You have a keychain with keys for locks. And if a psycho with a machine gun came to your house, you damn well know you'd lock the door.

I’m not saying schools (or homes) should not be locked. Of course they should. I’m just saying that unless you want the buildings to be windowless, the AR15 will win every time.

Round and round we go. How about this, although my suspicion is you just want to play devils advocate anyway indefinitely. But here goes trying:

1) We acknowledge locking doors is right thing to do at school.

2) We acknowledge Texas school was not locked.

3) We acknowledge an 18 year old shouldn't own an AR-15.

4) We acknowledge if Ramos didn't have an AR-15, he likely would've used a different gun.

What? I agree with all of those statements, which has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that an AR15 can gain access to a locked school easily.

So are you suggesting not locking school doors until there's an AR-15 ban?

No. God you are stupid.

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Reports coming out that the police waited outside the school for over an hour while the shooter was inside. Kids were bleeding out while they were too much of cowards to help. Despicable. They should all be fired. Cops are not the answer!

I thought Texas had many good guys with guns who will protect their people. Where were they?

Not having their guns because the school is a no gun zone and they follow the law. Unlike people who want to shoot other people, who do not follow the law.

There was at least one armed officer at the school. Plus others who reportedly responded after the shooter crashed his truck. The police are on record that they “engaged” with the shooter before he entered the school.

Then they go in after him. Discharging your weapon one then giving up and waiting outside was the wrong thing to do. They should have continuously engaged with him and followed him in- until either he or they were unable to engage further.

There is no indication at this point that any officer fired a weapon at the shooter before he was allowed to gain entry to the school.

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Anonymous wrote:How was Ramos able to enter the school? Were the doors unlocked, and anybody could just walk in holding a machine gun?

How did he gets machined gun?

I heard he bought the gun at a store. But how did he enter the school was the question I asked - was it not locked? Our public is locked after school starts.

Do you think a locked door is stopping a guy with a machine gun? Jfc.

Yes, I do. For a while at least, maybe he could have been shot by an officer outside. We have locks on our house and office. Locks are a great device for doors. If used.

Sandy Hook was locked.

Stop playing devils advocate. You lock your home front door. You lock your car. You have a keychain with keys for locks. And if a psycho with a machine gun came to your house, you damn well know you'd lock the door.

I’m not saying schools (or homes) should not be locked. Of course they should. I’m just saying that unless you want the buildings to be windowless, the AR15 will win every time.

Round and round we go. How about this, although my suspicion is you just want to play devils advocate anyway indefinitely. But here goes trying:

1) We acknowledge locking doors is right thing to do at school.

2) We acknowledge Texas school was not locked.

3) We acknowledge an 18 year old shouldn't own an AR-15.

4) We acknowledge if Ramos didn't have an AR-15, he likely would've used a different gun.

What? I agree with all of those statements, which has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that an AR15 can gain access to a locked school easily.

So are you suggesting not locking school doors until there's an AR-15 ban?

DP why are you so attached to AR-15s? The problem is unrestricted access to weapons and ammo not locks down doors.

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Reports coming out that the police waited outside the school for over an hour while the shooter was inside. Kids were bleeding out while they were too much of cowards to help. Despicable. They should all be fired. Cops are not the answer!

I thought Texas had many good guys with guns who will protect their people. Where were they?

Not having their guns because the school is a no gun zone and they follow the law. Unlike people who want to shoot other people, who do not follow the law.

There was at least one armed officer at the school. Plus others who reportedly responded after the shooter crashed his truck. The police are on record that they “engaged” with the shooter before he entered the school.

Then they go in after him. Discharging your weapon one then giving up and waiting outside was the wrong thing to do. They should have continuously engaged with him and followed him in- until either he or they were unable to engage further.

There is no indication at this point that any officer fired a weapon at the shooter before he was allowed to gain entry to the school.

Correct. And it turns out his vest was not body armour but merely ammo storage. A few well placed shots to the chest would have done the trick.

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If the trained resource officers just ran away, what do they expect teachers to do?

I doubt he or she had much training. It is interesting how people think underpaid security officers are going to throw themselves in front of bullets.

Yet we waste money arming our schools like prisons instead of doing the obvious like doing licensing for guns the way cars are licensed. And holding gun manufacturers responsible by letting them be sued when they are criminally negligent. You can sue a car manufacturer but Congress gave gun manufacturers immunity from lawsuits. Talk about national priorities….l

What about fatherless homes?

+1. As a tweet I read today said:

Start with a boy. Take away his father. Give him a drug-addicted, unwed mother. Sit him in front of a computer all day. Feed him porn, tik-tok videos and other "content." Give him no guidance, no moral compass, no religious training. Start him on drugs for some condition. Close his school and isolate him. This is how you make a school shooter. Every single one of them.

You forgot about the part where he then went to the store and bought an automatic rifle designed to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible. This same boy exists in other countries, but he can't get the weapons...

Oh really? You think there is no gun violence in Asia, South America, Central America, the Middle East....? You don't get out much, do you?

Dipshit: America is "number one" in school shootings. U-S-A! U-S-A!

DP. Then GTFO of my country. Many countries shootings go unreported or their ass is covered by the leftist government/media

Gun violence in Central American countries is extremely common. In Honduras, the homicide rate is many times the global average. Because of heavily armed gangs in Honduras, school shootings “are so common, they are subsumed quickly into the country's news cycle and barely register outside its borders.”. As such, the true number of school shootings in Honduras is unknown, but believed to be high. Mexico has experienced 17 reported school shootings since 2004. All of these incidents have resulted in zero to two deaths each. In each of the three shootings that had two deaths, one was the perpetrator. South Africa has experienced five school shootings since 1994, resulting in eight deaths in total.

Excluding China, several Asian nations have experienced school shootings. These include one in Taiwan (1962), two in Israel (1974 and 2008), one in Yemen (1997), one in the Philippines (1999), one in Thailand (2003), one in Lebanon (2007), one in India (2007), one in Azerbaijan (2009), and one in Pakistan. The "Peshawar siege" in 2014 was a Taliban attack that killed 145 (plus the gunmen), making it the deadliest school shooting in Asia

School shootings in other countries include on in Argentina (2004), one in New Zealand (1923), one in Nigeria (2013), and one in Kenya in 2015. The shooting in Kenya was a terrorist attack that killed 147 people and injured another 79.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-shootings-by-country

OH and fyi many of the texan parents own guns and don't blame the guns for the deaths.

Why We Can’t Have Nice Things. ^Exhibit A

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"DP. Then GTFO of my country. Many countries shootings go unreported or their ass is covered by the leftist government/media"


Leftist goverment censorship much PP? "Texas Censors Jimmy Kimmel Monolog"



https://www.thedailybeast.com/jimmy-kimmel-breaks-...alde-texas-shooting?ref=scroll

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TIL that the parents were outside of the school while their children were slaughtered inside. I can't process and at the same time I am distraught. Every time I see a picture of the kids I can't help but also see my own child.

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Anonymous wrote:TIL that the parents were outside of the school while their children were slaughtered inside. I can't process and at the same time I am distraught. Every time I see a picture of the kids I can't help but also see my own child.

And God Bless the parents breaking windows and yanking kids through them while the SRO’s were playing with themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:how is an armed guard going to stop these types of shooters who have automatic weapons and body armor?
The Buffalo store officer could do nothing although he did shoot at the perpetrator.

I suppose the school guards will need to wear body armor and carry automatic rifles with many rounds?
Otherwise, they will be just sitting ducks. A pistol will do nothing against these types of killers.

They can not. These guards are low paid part time workers. I would question if their weapons and ammo are in working order. We are asking them to put themselves in mortal danger for people who look down their noise at them. Many are POC who are seen are the enemy because of BLM. Now they are to throw themselves in front of bullets to save others? Does not seem like an answer to the problem.