Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?

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Anonymous wrote:My Asian friends zoned to churchill say their community just had a meeting with Julia Yang, and they would vote for E and G for the school boundary options. They asked others not to vote option H because they know wootton community (majority Asians) hate option H.

I am an Asian not in region 4, so I stay neutral.

I think option H makes the most fiscal sense.

And I'm an Asian American.

Let’s close 20% schools in Montgomery county because it makes most fiscal sense.

Let’s remove all special programs because it makes the most fiscal sense. We can do this all night. We just can’t look at this through a fiscal lense.

Sure, but at least we can agree that it does make the most sense. So it is a clear winner there. And that is one thing that matters to ALL of the county.
Another thing that matters to ALL of the county is doing something that balances the best interest of ALL students of the county IN THE LONG TERM. On that one, Option H is a top contender, if not a clear winner.

So....Option H makes the most sense.

No, it does not balance the interest of all students in the county for the long term-that is YOUR opinion. And I disagree with it. And the majority of the Wootton community also disagrees with it.

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Anonymous wrote:My Asian friends zoned to churchill say their community just had a meeting with Julia Yang, and they would vote for E and G for the school boundary options. They asked others not to vote option H because they know wootton community (majority Asians) hate option H.

I am an Asian not in region 4, so I stay neutral.

I think option H makes the most fiscal sense.

And I'm an Asian American.

We are talking about kids and families. It ONLY makes fiscal sense. That can’t be the only consideration. There are many things that makes fiscal sense, doesn’t mean they are good for students or families.

I agree with this. Not because it makes fiscal sense but because of all of the options I've seen, it is the least disruptive to the largest number of people in the county. And even for Wootton students, the disruption isn't particularly big-- they keep their friends and classmates in tact. They just go to a different building and have some additional students join the school. It's a longer commute for some but shorter for others. I think I'd also favor a solution where the walkers to Wootton go to Churchill or RM if that's closer for them (I think it would be?). I haven't looked a the capacity numbers after they changed the options around so I'm not sure on that. But I'm convinced they can make a lot of things work, capacity-wise, by fiddling with the regaional programming-- just bringing more or fewer into various schools to match physical capacity.

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Anonymous wrote:My Asian friends zoned to churchill say their community just had a meeting with Julia Yang, and they would vote for E and G for the school boundary options. They asked others not to vote option H because they know wootton community (majority Asians) hate option H.

I am an Asian not in region 4, so I stay neutral.

I think option H makes the most fiscal sense.

And I'm an Asian American.

We are talking about kids and families. It ONLY makes fiscal sense. That can’t be the only consideration. There are many things that makes fiscal sense, doesn’t mean they are good for students or families.

I agree with this. Not because it makes fiscal sense but because of all of the options I've seen, it is the least disruptive to the largest number of people in the county. And even for Wootton students, the disruption isn't particularly big-- they keep their friends and classmates in tact. They just go to a different building and have some additional students join the school. It's a longer commute for some but shorter for others. I think I'd also favor a solution where the walkers to Wootton go to Churchill or RM if that's closer for them (I think it would be?). I haven't looked a the capacity numbers after they changed the options around so I'm not sure on that. But I'm convinced they can make a lot of things work, capacity-wise, by fiddling with the regaional programming-- just bringing more or fewer into various schools to match physical capacity.

Of course you think it won’t be a big change-because it doesn’t change anything FOR YOU.

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Anonymous wrote:My Asian friends zoned to churchill say their community just had a meeting with Julia Yang, and they would vote for E and G for the school boundary options. They asked others not to vote option H because they know wootton community (majority Asians) hate option H.

I am an Asian not in region 4, so I stay neutral.

I think option H makes the most fiscal sense.

And I'm an Asian American.

Let’s close 20% schools in Montgomery county because it makes most fiscal sense.

Let’s remove all special programs because it makes the most fiscal sense. We can do this all night. We just can’t look at this through a fiscal lense.

Sure, but at least we can agree that it does make the most sense. So it is a clear winner there. And that is one thing that matters to ALL of the county.
Another thing that matters to ALL of the county is doing something that balances the best interest of ALL students of the county IN THE LONG TERM. On that one, Option H is a top contender, if not a clear winner.

So....Option H makes the most sense.

No, it does not balance the interest of all students in the county for the long term-that is YOUR opinion. And I disagree with it. And the majority of the Wootton community also disagrees with it.

Can you explain why it is not in the best interest of all MCPS students in the long run?

And, I'm not sure that the Wootton community really believes it is not int he best interests of all of the students in the county in the long run, or even that they are thinking about students outside of Wootton. That is fine, advocate for yourselves. But I haven't seen an argument to refute that it isn't the most practical decision for the county in the long run.

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Anonymous wrote:My Asian friends zoned to churchill say their community just had a meeting with Julia Yang, and they would vote for E and G for the school boundary options. They asked others not to vote option H because they know wootton community (majority Asians) hate option H.

I am an Asian not in region 4, so I stay neutral.

I think option H makes the most fiscal sense.

And I'm an Asian American.

Let’s close 20% schools in Montgomery county because it makes most fiscal sense.

Let’s remove all special programs because it makes the most fiscal sense. We can do this all night. We just can’t look at this through a fiscal lense.

Sure, but at least we can agree that it does make the most sense. So it is a clear winner there. And that is one thing that matters to ALL of the county.
Another thing that matters to ALL of the county is doing something that balances the best interest of ALL students of the county IN THE LONG TERM. On that one, Option H is a top contender, if not a clear winner.

So....Option H makes the most sense.

No, it does not balance the interest of all students in the county for the long term-that is YOUR opinion. And I disagree with it. And the majority of the Wootton community also disagrees with it.

Can you explain why it is not in the best interest of all MCPS students in the long run?

And, I'm not sure that the Wootton community really believes it is not int he best interests of all of the students in the county in the long run, or even that they are thinking about students outside of Wootton. That is fine, advocate for yourselves. But I haven't seen an argument to refute that it isn't the most practical decision for the county in the long run.

Doesn’t saying all students include Wootton Students? So if it it’s not in the best interest for them-then it’s not in the best interest of all students. Their school is here-on Wootton parkway, same place it’s been for the last 55 years and where many of them can currently walk to. Multiple neighborhoods can walk to Wootton right now. Only one area will be able to walk to Wootton under H.

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Anonymous wrote:My Asian friends zoned to churchill say their community just had a meeting with Julia Yang, and they would vote for E and G for the school boundary options. They asked others not to vote option H because they know wootton community (majority Asians) hate option H.

I am an Asian not in region 4, so I stay neutral.

I think option H makes the most fiscal sense.

And I'm an Asian American.

Let’s close 20% schools in Montgomery county because it makes most fiscal sense.

Let’s remove all special programs because it makes the most fiscal sense. We can do this all night. We just can’t look at this through a fiscal lense.

Sure, but at least we can agree that it does make the most sense. So it is a clear winner there. And that is one thing that matters to ALL of the county.
Another thing that matters to ALL of the county is doing something that balances the best interest of ALL students of the county IN THE LONG TERM. On that one, Option H is a top contender, if not a clear winner.

So....Option H makes the most sense.

No, it does not balance the interest of all students in the county for the long term-that is YOUR opinion. And I disagree with it. And the majority of the Wootton community also disagrees with it.

Can you explain why it is not in the best interest of all MCPS students in the long run?

And, I'm not sure that the Wootton community really believes it is not int he best interests of all of the students in the county in the long run, or even that they are thinking about students outside of Wootton. That is fine, advocate for yourselves. But I haven't seen an argument to refute that it isn't the most practical decision for the county in the long run.

Doesn’t saying all students include Wootton Students? So if it it’s not in the best interest for them-then it’s not in the best interest of all students. Their school is here-on Wootton parkway, same place it’s been for the last 55 years and where many of them can currently walk to. Multiple neighborhoods can walk to Wootton right now. Only one area will be able to walk to Wootton under H.

Oh, I should clarify “best interest of all students” means collectively what option serves the interests of ALL of them best? Certainly, some will benefit more and some will benefit less, but the job of MCPS is to do what is in the collective best interest of them all.

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Anonymous wrote:Buckle up: with one testimonial online ahead of Thursday's meeting from someone who wants to provide the BOE with an "expert critique" of Option H, it's sure to be a wild ride. This gentleman, who apparently has a PhD in Educational Policy (kudos to him?) seems to not understand what is happening or how money works. He says, "My research shows that high school stability is a primary driver of postsecondary success." First of all, bruh, pretty sure all research says that. Second, Option H keeps your cluster fully intact just in a different building. Teachers are the same, although probably healthier and happier and all your kids are with their precious friends. He goes on to not understand, "why Wootton alone was selected for full-school relocation". Once again, my man, MCPS was trying to throw Wootton a bone here since y'alls aren't slated for meaningful renovation for at least 10+ years. Then comes my favorite, the money. He wants to know what the net difference is between closing Wootton ($0) and repairing (ranging from 40M for some "minor" repairs to 300M for a full rebuild). Thoughts an prayers for Thursday.

Yeah how dare people ask questions or show any concern for their school. Why do you even care? You clearly don’t live in the cluster by the language you are using to describe what’s going on.

Give us your solution as your hostility and negativity are a huge problem.

I see the “what’s your solution “ poster is still here. <marks bingo card>

Wootton families have presented their solution, and it’s been repeated here numerous times, but you don’t like it.

You haven't presented any solutions. You are demanding MCPS put Wootton to the front of the line for repairs and that's not ok and there is no money for it.

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Anonymous wrote:At some point people will think before they vote for local officials. People who want to save Wootton probably voted for the people trying to eliminate it. Go figure

No one is eliminating it. They are offering to move it to a new building per the parents tantrums. Other schools are just as bad or worse.

You mean move it to a new building miles from the original, change the name, change the student body, and probably change the admin and teachers. In other words, eliminate Wootton and open Crown. Just admit that you want one less W school.

Why would the and teachers change. And, all schools are having student body changes. You are creating drama where there is none. I don’t care about w schools. You care.

Teachers wouldn't change (except normal attrition). Who cares about the name??? That's a crazy criterion. My understanding is that the Wootton student body would remain in tact and some students would be added. So that's not particularly disruptive to the current student body.

The only people who I think have valid concerns are those who are currently walkers to Wootton because being bussed to a school a few miles away is legitimately very different from what they anticipated. I don't think that outweighs the greater good (a huge % of the county will be undergoing some inconvenience) but I think it's a legitimate gripe. Everything else is superficial and irrelevant. The tradeoff for non walkers is that they get a bright and shiny new school but it's apparently a bigger (more students) school than they were at before.

I think you believe a lot more people care about “a bright and shiny” new school than is actually true. Nobody cares about a school being new. Nobody goes around saying “only show me houses that are districted for a new school.” It’s simply not a thing anyone cares about-safe and functional-yes but that’s it.

You are saying that Wootton is not safe or functional so the best solution is to move those students and staff to a new safe school.

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Anonymous wrote:My Asian friends zoned to churchill say their community just had a meeting with Julia Yang, and they would vote for E and G for the school boundary options. They asked others not to vote option H because they know wootton community (majority Asians) hate option H.

I am an Asian not in region 4, so I stay neutral.

I think option H makes the most fiscal sense.

And I'm an Asian American.

We are talking about kids and families. It ONLY makes fiscal sense. That can’t be the only consideration. There are many things that makes fiscal sense, doesn’t mean they are good for students or families.

I agree with this. Not because it makes fiscal sense but because of all of the options I've seen, it is the least disruptive to the largest number of people in the county. And even for Wootton students, the disruption isn't particularly big-- they keep their friends and classmates in tact. They just go to a different building and have some additional students join the school. It's a longer commute for some but shorter for others. I think I'd also favor a solution where the walkers to Wootton go to Churchill or RM if that's closer for them (I think it would be?). I haven't looked a the capacity numbers after they changed the options around so I'm not sure on that. But I'm convinced they can make a lot of things work, capacity-wise, by fiddling with the regaional programming-- just bringing more or fewer into various schools to match physical capacity.

Of course you think it won’t be a big change-because it doesn’t change anything FOR YOU.

What specifically is the “big change” you think Wootton students are facing? Going to a new, nicer school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Buckle up: with one testimonial online ahead of Thursday's meeting from someone who wants to provide the BOE with an "expert critique" of Option H, it's sure to be a wild ride. This gentleman, who apparently has a PhD in Educational Policy (kudos to him?) seems to not understand what is happening or how money works. He says, "My research shows that high school stability is a primary driver of postsecondary success." First of all, bruh, pretty sure all research says that. Second, Option H keeps your cluster fully intact just in a different building. Teachers are the same, although probably healthier and happier and all your kids are with their precious friends. He goes on to not understand, "why Wootton alone was selected for full-school relocation". Once again, my man, MCPS was trying to throw Wootton a bone here since y'alls aren't slated for meaningful renovation for at least 10+ years. Then comes my favorite, the money. He wants to know what the net difference is between closing Wootton ($0) and repairing (ranging from 40M for some "minor" repairs to 300M for a full rebuild). Thoughts an prayers for Thursday.

Yeah how dare people ask questions or show any concern for their school. Why do you even care? You clearly don’t live in the cluster by the language you are using to describe what’s going on.

Give us your solution as your hostility and negativity are a huge problem.

I see the “what’s your solution “ poster is still here. <marks bingo card>

Wootton families have presented their solution, and it’s been repeated here numerous times, but you don’t like it.

You haven't presented any solutions. You are demanding MCPS put Wootton to the front of the line for repairs and that's not ok and there is no money for it.

You keep saying this-but that’s not at all what is happening. Wootton isn’t asking to be in the front of the line on the CIP-it’s asking for the emergency items to be fixed ONLY. This is the same thing the other schools that are in just as bad of shape and the ONE that is worse should also be demanding. And the no money thing-they somehow find the money for other things. They find the money when something happens and closes a school like a flood-they can do it.

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Anonymous wrote:Buckle up: with one testimonial online ahead of Thursday's meeting from someone who wants to provide the BOE with an "expert critique" of Option H, it's sure to be a wild ride. This gentleman, who apparently has a PhD in Educational Policy (kudos to him?) seems to not understand what is happening or how money works. He says, "My research shows that high school stability is a primary driver of postsecondary success." First of all, bruh, pretty sure all research says that. Second, Option H keeps your cluster fully intact just in a different building. Teachers are the same, although probably healthier and happier and all your kids are with their precious friends. He goes on to not understand, "why Wootton alone was selected for full-school relocation". Once again, my man, MCPS was trying to throw Wootton a bone here since y'alls aren't slated for meaningful renovation for at least 10+ years. Then comes my favorite, the money. He wants to know what the net difference is between closing Wootton ($0) and repairing (ranging from 40M for some "minor" repairs to 300M for a full rebuild). Thoughts an prayers for Thursday.

Yeah how dare people ask questions or show any concern for their school. Why do you even care? You clearly don’t live in the cluster by the language you are using to describe what’s going on.

Give us your solution as your hostility and negativity are a huge problem.

I see the “what’s your solution “ poster is still here. <marks bingo card>

Wootton families have presented their solution, and it’s been repeated here numerous times, but you don’t like it.

You haven't presented any solutions. You are demanding MCPS put Wootton to the front of the line for repairs and that's not ok and there is no money for it.

You keep saying this-but that’s not at all what is happening. Wootton isn’t asking to be in the front of the line on the CIP-it’s asking for the emergency items to be fixed ONLY. This is the same thing the other schools that are in just as bad of shape and the ONE that is worse should also be demanding. And the no money thing-they somehow find the money for other things. They find the money when something happens and closes a school like a flood-they can do it.

And, they are in line for emergency fixes and higher up than other schools, who may need it more. If a school floods, you want them to leave the school flooded, so your school can have that money instead for repairs? Wooton has gotten regular updates including new bathrooms and paint, more than other schools.

Those repairs are millions, MCPS doesn't have it due to mismanagement. You want a safe school, take Crown.

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Anonymous wrote:It is not people commenting on here who will close a "W" school. It will be elected officials. And people who want to keep Wootton and the other "W" schools open probably voted for these officials. These same officials wanted to change the name of the school a couple years back. This might also be a factor. Closing the school certainly eliminates the name. Bussing was also proposed at one point. Think before you vote for these officials

There are no elected officials on the school board or county council who ever expressed wanting to change the name of Wootton. Stop making things up.

There are only two elected officials who were even in office at the time when they approved initiating a review TO SEE IF THERE WAS COMMUNITY INTEREST in changing the name of any school. There was none, so nothing happened. No elected official advocated in support of changing the name of Wootton.

Additionally, no elected official (other than one Gaithersburg city councilmember) has advocated in support of Option H. Stop making things up.

Laura Stewart has been pushing for bussing for years. She hates the W schools and would to see one of them closed because they are an affront to equity.

She doesn’t care but she also understands the limited opportunities at other schools, which is where budding could help some students.

Why not fix the problems at those schools instead of bussing to other schools?

That would be great, and I think the vast majority would prefer it that way, but it requires much greater differential funding to those schools with less manageable cohorts to ensure:

1) Identification of ability/needs at early levels via means other than exposure-based metrics, such that populations in schools with less manageable cohorts are identified consistently with their peers at schools with more manageabe cohorts.

2) Addressing of that need/nurturing of that ability through elementary and middle (e.g., with greater resources dedicated to differentiation where those less manageable cohorts exist) to establish underpinnings of on-level academic success for populations currently underperforming/to maintain the learning performance of those more highly capable in a manner consistent with that which they would achieve if attending a school with a more manageable cohort.

3) Provision of high school-level programming (classes/curricula or otherwise, to include elective, magnet and advanced/college-level courses), on top of any support associated with the needs of the less manageable cohort, such that it is equally accessible to populations in such school catchments as it is to populations in school catchments with more manageable cohorts.

If we are willing to shift resources accordingly, whether drawing away from the more manageable to the less manageable or increasing the overall resource (tax) grant to the system so that current levels might be maintained at the more manageable while increasing them at the less manageable to provide the par described above (not equal outcomes, but equivalent addressing of individual need across the system), then we might be able to avoid the undesired outcome.

PS -- Referring to current differentials from Title I and the like, which address only a part of these issues and not nearly enough, is a modern equivalent of the A Chistmas Carol observation, "Are there no prisons?...Are there no workhouses?"

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In new CrownWootton will musicals, sports teams etc be chosen out of the full pool or one set from exWootton and one set from all other?

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Anonymous wrote:In new CrownWootton will musicals, sports teams etc be chosen out of the full pool or one set from exWootton and one set from all other?

There might not be sports or music in the beginning because of on going construction

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Anonymous wrote:In new CrownWootton will musicals, sports teams etc be chosen out of the full pool or one set from exWootton and one set from all other?

There might not be sports or music in the beginning because of on going construction

How wonderful for the students.