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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]People on the community noise working group at dca lack any accountability. There is a new member from Fairfax who is asking tough questions about some of the recent changes that resulted in more noise for many people living north of the airport and how those changes came about but she is being shut down by others in the group. They refuse to provide her with clear answers.[/quote]
I hope somebody will continue to question how decisions are made by this group. The recent changes pushed through by the CWG  resulted in more noise for many neighborhoods in Montgomery county too. [/quote]

I’m not doubting you guys, but can you be specific? I try to follow this topic because it’s of interest to me, but a lot of the posts are vague. Which neighborhoods got hurt?[/quote]

Not PP but I can help answer. What areas in particular are you inquiring, Virginia, Maryland?

As for the decision making bit, the changes that were pushed through by the Community Working Group were done without any community involvement. The FAA opened a comment period before the changes to collect input but the affected communities in Fairfax and Montgomery County were never notified by the Working Group. Those on the Community Working Group at DCA who initiated this process and who eventually benefited from the changes knew that those communities would never agree to the proposal so they decided to keep residents in the dark.

You can try and find some links in this thread in the last twenty pages or so that specifically show the changes.

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I could not find the links but I can tell you how the flight path changed for departures to the north and west in 2021. Airplanes used to fly in a relatively straight line all the way to Potomac/Avenel. Residents were told it was to allow pilots an unrestricted climb. Planes would leave the area faster and climb higher quickly. Residents of Potomac/Avenel supported by Montgomery County government asked the FAA to remove the flights from the area. The new early turn that the FAA introduced in response meant that flights could no longer climb as high. Turning at low altitudes also requires more thrust, thus more noise. The waypoint that previously kept airplanes away from densely populated areas along the river was removed so airplanes now routinely fly closer to residential areas on both sides of the Potomac River although the flight path shifted more towards Bethesda. Another waypoint was placed directly over Glen Echo.

Some of the areas or streets impacted negatively by this change: Macarthur Blvd, Brickyard Road, Vendome Drive, Georgetown Pike, GW Pkwy, Westmoreland Hills, Sumner, Brookmont, Glen Echo and so on. [/quote]

As for the recent changes in arrivals from the North, at the request of MoCo, the FAA scattered them over a wider area. The communities impacted are those living along GW Pkwy, Georgetown Pike in Virginia and again Macarthur, Brickyard and Vendome on the MD side, and to a lesser extent those living west of Seven Locks. If you did not have noise from arriving airplanes and suddenly started experiencing it in 2021 or summer of 2024, then you are impacted.

BUT in the latest twist, at the January 2025 Community Working Group meeting, the FAA revealed the new location of runway 15 for arrivals from the north and it starts in Cabin John! So although Potomac was successful in eliminating waypoint Fergi from their area, the FAA has now placed a starting point for runway 15 over Cabin John. The good news is that runway 15 is not supposed to be used often but who knows.....I trust that residents of Cabin John were informed of this by the Community Working Group and Montgomery County? Here's the map:

https://www.flyreagan.com/sites/flyreagan.com/files/2025-01/Draft%20RNAV%20%28GPS%29%20RWY%2015%20for%20Jan%2023%20DCA%20CWG%20%281%29.pdf

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[b]Airplanes have to start descending somewhere. Potomac did not want that over them so the FAA had no choice but to place the new channelized procedure over Cabin John. It is either Potomac or cabin John. There is no other choice[/b].[/quote]

How is there “no other choice”?  And who in Avenel would have that much influence not to fly over or near the Avenel community?  [/quote]

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