The White Lotus season 2

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand people who stan Daphne. Her marriage is a horrible shit show. Getting knocked up by your trainer and passing it off as your husband’s is not some cool power play. If she ever gets found out, she’d ruin that kid’s life.

OMG is that why she showed Harper the picture of the kids rather than the trainer?

I don’t think so. She talked about the trainer to make herself out as not being a victim. She may or may not have a trainer she sleeps with, but at the end of the day, it’s her kids who give her the motivation to get over whatever Cameron does and not focus on it.

Eh, she says my trainer has blond hair and blue eyes, want to see a picture? Then shows a picture of a blond haired kid. Cameron has brown hair. Google it.

https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/white-lotus-season-2-daphne-trainer-kids-theory-rcna59147

Yeah - I 100% believe that kid is her trainer's kid. And Cameron doesn't know. Maybe Daphne isn't a victim, but a woman with a backup plan.

Great back up plan: Have a child with a low-wage earning trainer and when Cam finds out and divorces you, he burns you to the ground: you lose all your money,no alimony, house, etc, and are ostracized from your rich wife social group and are stuck with some dumb jock's kid. No. That is not what Daphne's doing. That is not the trainer's kid.

It's definitely not the trainer's kid. She is not banging him.

But, I think there could be some twist and we find that Daphne is the one with the $/comes from $ and Cameron's family isn't wealthy like he portrays/or they lost it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand people who stan Daphne. Her marriage is a horrible shit show. Getting knocked up by your trainer and passing it off as your husband’s is not some cool power play. If she ever gets found out, she’d ruin that kid’s life.

OMG is that why she showed Harper the picture of the kids rather than the trainer?

I don’t think so. She talked about the trainer to make herself out as not being a victim. She may or may not have a trainer she sleeps with, but at the end of the day, it’s her kids who give her the motivation to get over whatever Cameron does and not focus on it.

Eh, she says my trainer has blond hair and blue eyes, want to see a picture? Then shows a picture of a blond haired kid. Cameron has brown hair. Google it.

https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/white-lotus-season-2-daphne-trainer-kids-theory-rcna59147

Yeah - I 100% believe that kid is her trainer's kid. And Cameron doesn't know. Maybe Daphne isn't a victim, but a woman with a backup plan.

Great back up plan: Have a child with a low-wage earning trainer and when Cam finds out and divorces you, he burns you to the ground: you lose all your money,no alimony, house, etc, and are ostracized from your rich wife social group and are stuck with some dumb jock's kid. No. That is not what Daphne's doing. That is not the trainer's kid.

It's definitely not the trainer's kid. She is not banging him.

But, I think there could be some twist and we find that Daphne is the one with the $/comes from $ and Cameron's family isn't wealthy like he portrays/or they lost it.

Yeah she’s from the conquistador lineage of PR and owns half the island and all the rum distilleries.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand people who stan Daphne. Her marriage is a horrible shit show. Getting knocked up by your trainer and passing it off as your husband’s is not some cool power play. If she ever gets found out, she’d ruin that kid’s life.

OMG is that why she showed Harper the picture of the kids rather than the trainer?

I don’t think so. She talked about the trainer to make herself out as not being a victim. She may or may not have a trainer she sleeps with, but at the end of the day, it’s her kids who give her the motivation to get over whatever Cameron does and not focus on it.

Eh, she says my trainer has blond hair and blue eyes, want to see a picture? Then shows a picture of a blond haired kid. Cameron has brown hair. Google it.

https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/white-lotus-season-2-daphne-trainer-kids-theory-rcna59147

Yeah - I 100% believe that kid is her trainer's kid. And Cameron doesn't know. Maybe Daphne isn't a victim, but a woman with a backup plan.

I truly do not think she bangs her trainer. She had such a lost and fogged out look once Harper told her she thought the men did something the night before.. Daphne looked like she was going to puke, swallowed, and said 'well, I'm sure it didn't mean anything' and tried to brush it off.

Daphne doesn't want to be seen as a victim, but she is one because she loves her husband. She doesn't want him to cheat, but she can't control him. Her kids mean the world to her and that is where she places her energy, time and devotion. She wants an intact family, not a divorce and broken family with shared custody. And, that is why she is literally trapped. She has tried to make peace with it and said to Harper at the villa 'I think he cheated once, but not anymore' and 'he's not like the guys he works with who are gross and jerks'. She doesn't want to know about the cheating because she doesn't want to be faced with the thought of initiating a divorce and it literally breaks her heart that he does this behind her back (like Dom's mother).

Cameron thinks he is not hurting her by his extra curriculars' because the women he has sex with on the side mean absolutely nothing to him and they are 'whores' unlike his wife. He is never going to leave his wife. He is like Grandpa--and in his mind this is what successful, good-looking men do". He works in a field with a bunch of men that normalize infidelity and the boys club.

He will never leave/divorce Daphne, he loves her and the idea of the perfect family. And, Daphne pushes his buttons back by punishing him with making him think she might have cheated too--not telling him she is taking an over night, etc. And, then he snaps back in line and lavishes her with time/affection, trips, etc. Daphne could easily cheat if she wants to, but she doesn't. She told Harper that to make it seem like she wasn't a victim and was a player too when everything else tells the opposite: she went away for the night but stayed in in her pajamas (she didn't go out looking to get laid or even flirt with men). she tries to reach her kids and misses them. she is loyal. But, she's attractive and could easily bang any man she wanted--and that is what Cameron knows. I think he also knows she won't.

Yes^^ I forgot to comment on this from another poster:

"I didn't say it was selfless but yes I think he loves her. I have said it before he is the only guy who is expressing that he cares about this. When she's upset he does things to address it (schedule wine tasting), when he talks about her almost dying in childbirth he cries, when Lucia talks to him he is upset because he is with his WIFE. He is not a good person I'm not saying this is a good or healthy or pure love. But it is absolutely a primary driver of his behavior. You can love someone and be bad to them and act selfishly, that happens in marriages and romances every day."

The psychology of cheaters like Cameron are that they think they aren't doing anything wrong because "what she doesn't know, can't hurt her". He goes through great lengths to cover his cheating. He does not flaunt it in her face. He obviously is messed up and was likely raised with a dad that did pretty much the same and it is generational like with Nono and Dom. The difference is that Dom is the only one of the three that now is seeing how what he did truly hurt his wife and kids and he feels disgust. But, I also think Dom has a true sex addiction whereas Cameron and Nono do it for sport and because they think they are entitled to since they provide well for the family and love their wives.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand people who stan Daphne. Her marriage is a horrible shit show. Getting knocked up by your trainer and passing it off as your husband’s is not some cool power play. If she ever gets found out, she’d ruin that kid’s life.

OMG is that why she showed Harper the picture of the kids rather than the trainer?

I don’t think so. She talked about the trainer to make herself out as not being a victim. She may or may not have a trainer she sleeps with, but at the end of the day, it’s her kids who give her the motivation to get over whatever Cameron does and not focus on it.

Eh, she says my trainer has blond hair and blue eyes, want to see a picture? Then shows a picture of a blond haired kid. Cameron has brown hair. Google it.

https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/white-lotus-season-2-daphne-trainer-kids-theory-rcna59147

Yeah - I 100% believe that kid is her trainer's kid. And Cameron doesn't know. Maybe Daphne isn't a victim, but a woman with a backup plan.

I truly do not think she bangs her trainer. She had such a lost and fogged out look once Harper told her she thought the men did something the night before.. Daphne looked like she was going to puke, swallowed, and said 'well, I'm sure it didn't mean anything' and tried to brush it off.

Daphne doesn't want to be seen as a victim, but she is one because she loves her husband. She doesn't want him to cheat, but she can't control him. Her kids mean the world to her and that is where she places her energy, time and devotion. She wants an intact family, not a divorce and broken family with shared custody. And, that is why she is literally trapped. She has tried to make peace with it and said to Harper at the villa 'I think he cheated once, but not anymore' and 'he's not like the guys he works with who are gross and jerks'. She doesn't want to know about the cheating because she doesn't want to be faced with the thought of initiating a divorce and it literally breaks her heart that he does this behind her back (like Dom's mother).

Cameron thinks he is not hurting her by his extra curriculars' because the women he has sex with on the side mean absolutely nothing to him and they are 'whores' unlike his wife. He is never going to leave his wife. He is like Grandpa--and in his mind this is what successful, good-looking men do". He works in a field with a bunch of men that normalize infidelity and the boys club.

He will never leave/divorce Daphne, he loves her and the idea of the perfect family. And, Daphne pushes his buttons back by punishing him with making him think she might have cheated too--not telling him she is taking an over night, etc. And, then he snaps back in line and lavishes her with time/affection, trips, etc. Daphne could easily cheat if she wants to, but she doesn't. She told Harper that to make it seem like she wasn't a victim and was a player too when everything else tells the opposite: she went away for the night but stayed in in her pajamas (she didn't go out looking to get laid or even flirt with men). she tries to reach her kids and misses them. she is loyal. But, she's attractive and could easily bang any man she wanted--and that is what Cameron knows. I think he also knows she won't.

Yes^^ I forgot to comment on this from another poster:

"I didn't say it was selfless but yes I think he loves her. I have said it before he is the only guy who is expressing that he cares about this. When she's upset he does things to address it (schedule wine tasting), when he talks about her almost dying in childbirth he cries, when Lucia talks to him he is upset because he is with his WIFE. He is not a good person I'm not saying this is a good or healthy or pure love. But it is absolutely a primary driver of his behavior. You can love someone and be bad to them and act selfishly, that happens in marriages and romances every day."

The psychology of cheaters like Cameron are that they think they aren't doing anything wrong because "what she doesn't know, can't hurt her". He goes through great lengths to cover his cheating. He does not flaunt it in her face. He obviously is messed up and was likely raised with a dad that did pretty much the same and it is generational like with Nono and Dom. The difference is that Dom is the only one of the three that now is seeing how what he did truly hurt his wife and kids and he feels disgust. But, I also think Dom has a true sex addiction whereas Cameron and Nono do it for sport and because they think they are entitled to since they provide well for the family and love their wives.

^ and the OW to Dom, Nono and Cameron were just whore-play things. They weren't good women like their wives. They were there only to get off and then to leave them alone when they went back home after.

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Anonymous wrote:A podcast I listen to (Still Watching from Vanity Fair) pointed out that Ethan shows some real signs of not just anger but rage in the conversation about mimetic desire. Their point, which I agree with, is that it's clear from that conversation that Ethan's resentment towards and dislike of Cameron goes all the way back to college and that Ethan is nowhere near over it. One of the guys on the podcasts talked specifically about that kind of anger where maybe you don't think about for a long time, but then when you do think about it, it's so strong that it almost makes you vibrate. Their point on the podcast was that this scene illustrates that Ethan might have it in him to straight up murder Cameron.

While not a murderer ( ) this comment struck me because I immediately recognized that type of anger. I have a person from my past who I haven't seen in a long time and would definitely not choose to go on vacation with, but if I did find myself, for some reason, sitting down to dinner with them and our spouses, and they were acting like the same a$$hole they've always been, that is exactly the kind of rage I'd feel -- just vibrating, almost hard to control rage. I'm sure I'd handle it by either crying or screaming at them, not murdering them, but I absolutely recognize that feeling. There are some harms that cut very, very deep and stick with you. A healthy person gets far away from the person who caused the harm but Ethan, intriguingly, has decided to spend a lengthy vacation in a hotel with adjoining rooms, in a small town on an island with that person. That's... a choice.

This is the best take on Ethan that I've read.

I think many of us have had a frenemy like that at some point in our lives. Cameron is the true frenemy. He acts like Ethan is a great friend, but he only wants that if he is clearly superior to Ethan. He can't handle Ethan being 'better' then him in any way. It bothered him Ethan was smarter, achieved his success completely on his own (came from nothing). Ethan isn't a player and Cameron loves to think he's superior because he cheats/gets laid.

Ethan has had enough. He no longer is threatened by Cameron and he sees him for what he is. He's gained self-worth with his success and won't be pushed around anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m LOLing at the idea that some of you have that Daphne or Lucia have more power than the men. Open your eyes. Cameron is not a saver. He makes a lot but clearly spends a lot too. He’s dodging paying Lucia the money he owes her probably because he knows he doesn’t have enough to cover it. If he and Daphne get divorced, she’ll be the typical cliche. A formerly pretty, now middle aged, housewife on the prowl for husband #2 before her alimony runs out. If she can’t find one, she’ll have to become a realtor or secretary or cashier. something desperate like that.

And Albie is leaving Italy within the week to go back to his bright future as a Stanford grad with rich parents. Lucia has no power over him. She’ll stay in Sicily, getting older and older, losing her looks, trying to make money through sex.

Cynical? Yeah but this is what real life is like. At the end of the day, wealth and gender finger power.

I said that Lucia has fragile power that is tied to this specific moment in time. She has power in that Albie likes her and he is powerful and she has some control over his power in this moment. But this is fleeting power and could be used to help her or destroy her depending on how she wields it.

Daphne has tremendous power and if you can't see that then you are blinded by the men. She holds the power in that relationship. I would honestly like you to give an example where she doesn't. He pulls one move she's annoyed with and she punishes him by staying away for the night (although its interesting we didn't get to see that conversation) and then freezes him out so he's making it up to her the next day. He is afraid of losing her and has said it out loud twice in the series (once to Lucia, once when recounting her emergency birth). She has not said anything like that about him. She isn't afraid of losing him at all.

Lol it’s clear that she doesn’t want Cam cheating but she can’t get him to stop. She only sleeps with the trainer because it makes her feel less internally humiliated. Cam doesn’t even know about it. We’re supposed to realize she’s lying to herself and Harper when she says things like “I’m not a victim.” She’d much rather have a faithful husband and perfect marriage. If you think that’s power, and a healthy happy relationship, I feel really sorry for you.

Mike White and the actress have explicitly said the opposite of this. I do not believe they have a happy and healthy relationship, I believe she wields the power in the unhealthy relationship they have. The fact that you can't understand that makes me question your understanding of the complexities that the show is trying to get across. You want this to be black and white. This show is not black and white.

She has some power but not a lot. Cameron is the exact type of man who will dump his middle aged wife for a younger trophy. He’s already aggressively cheating on her.

That is a different kind of horrible man IMO. Which isn't a defense of Cameron. But he very much loves her. He is the only male on the show (other than Albie) actively showing affection to a woman and showing that he actively cares what she thinks. And that is not 'stanning' them or saying they have a good relationship or stanning her. It is just an observation. He cares about what Daphne thinks, he will never leave her. He is the guy who will cheat and promise to leave but never actually do it.

Does he though? That’s the exact question Dom asks his father. Nono aggressively cheated on his wife and everyone knew including the wife who was unhappy about it. Yet Nono maintains they loved each other and had a happy marriage. We the audience think this is delusional thinking in his part. Dom asks something like, how can you say you love someone and treat them that way?

Cam cares about Daphne but it’s not a selfless love. He doesn’t prioritize her happiness over his own or his sexual appetites.

I didn't say it was selfless but yes I think he loves her. I have said it before he is the only guy who is expressing that he cares about this. When she's upset he does things to address it (schedule wine tasting), when he talks about her almost dying in childbirth he cries, when Lucia talks to him he is upset because he is with his WIFE. He is not a good person I'm not saying this is a good or healthy or pure love. But it is absolutely a primary driver of his behavior. I think Nono loved his wife. I think Dom does not love Laura Dern. You can love someone and be bad to them and act selfishly, that happens in marriages and romances every day.

And Harper is very jealous of the affection- physical and with words that Cameron shows Daphne. She wishes Ethan would show even 1/16th of that towards her.

Harper is starved for it and seeing Cameron all over Daphne and constantly saying she's wonderful when the four of them are together just makes Harper feel even worse that her husband won't even touch her or have sex with her. Cameron is cheating but she still hears him banging Daphne and having fun at night. This is why she wants some of that and this is also why she gets so upset and makes fun of Daphne to Ethan. She wants what she has even if she can't admit it and Cameron's sexuality and badness turns her on.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else think Ethan is an awful actor? I think he has a total of two facial expressions

It is really weird because he is a Shakespearean-trained British actor--and they are almost always amazing. He is so retrained in his performance to the point that it is just almost bizarre? At first, I thought it was because he was just uncertain and tentative with the American accent. Now, 5 episodes of the clueless smirk and the vacant stare are just not enough.

I think it's all about capturing the emotional constipation and sexual repression of the character, which I think comes across very well. Making the bold challenge to Cameron that much more interesting.

I agree. I think he plays the part well. He comes across as so bottled up and tightly wound. He’s a black box; hard to read and restrained to the point of palpable tension but there is something boiling underneath the surface. The glimpse of this in the mimetic desire comment was so fun to watch. I’m excited to see what ends up happening with his character.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand people who stan Daphne. Her marriage is a horrible shit show. Getting knocked up by your trainer and passing it off as your husband’s is not some cool power play. If she ever gets found out, she’d ruin that kid’s life.

OMG is that why she showed Harper the picture of the kids rather than the trainer?

I don’t think so. She talked about the trainer to make herself out as not being a victim. She may or may not have a trainer she sleeps with, but at the end of the day, it’s her kids who give her the motivation to get over whatever Cameron does and not focus on it.

Eh, she says my trainer has blond hair and blue eyes, want to see a picture? Then shows a picture of a blond haired kid. Cameron has brown hair. Google it.

https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/white-lotus-season-2-daphne-trainer-kids-theory-rcna59147

Yeah - I 100% believe that kid is her trainer's kid. And Cameron doesn't know. Maybe Daphne isn't a victim, but a woman with a backup plan.

An upper class woman having a baby with her trainer - while married- is not a backup plan by any means. Upper class women have children with their upper class husbands to lock in the financial support.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else think Ethan is an awful actor? I think he has a total of two facial expressions

It is really weird because he is a Shakespearean-trained British actor--and they are almost always amazing. He is so retrained in his performance to the point that it is just almost bizarre? At first, I thought it was because he was just uncertain and tentative with the American accent. Now, 5 episodes of the clueless smirk and the vacant stare are just not enough.

I think it's all about capturing the emotional constipation and sexual repression of the character, which I think comes across very well. Making the bold challenge to Cameron that much more interesting.

I agree. I think he plays the part well. He comes across as so bottled up and tightly wound. He’s a black box; hard to read and restrained to the point of palpable tension but there is something boiling underneath the surface. The glimpse of this in the mimetic desire comment was so fun to watch. I’m excited to see what ends up happening with his character.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand people who stan Daphne. Her marriage is a horrible shit show. Getting knocked up by your trainer and passing it off as your husband’s is not some cool power play. If she ever gets found out, she’d ruin that kid’s life.

OMG is that why she showed Harper the picture of the kids rather than the trainer?

I don’t think so. She talked about the trainer to make herself out as not being a victim. She may or may not have a trainer she sleeps with, but at the end of the day, it’s her kids who give her the motivation to get over whatever Cameron does and not focus on it.

Eh, she says my trainer has blond hair and blue eyes, want to see a picture? Then shows a picture of a blond haired kid. Cameron has brown hair. Google it.

https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/white-lotus-season-2-daphne-trainer-kids-theory-rcna59147

She’s calling the kid her trainer. She’s making some innuendo about her life, that she’s not a victim because she can do whatever Cameron is doing and have sex with whomever she wants. She makes that point to Harper. Then when she shows her the picture, it’s her kids- the point is that she doesn’t want to cheat, that’s not what actually makes her feel better about it. She just wants her happy, very comfortable life with her kids and her husband. People are reading way into this. Her trainer did not father her children.

Also, even if Cameron had brown eyes, hasn’t anyone ever heard of recessive genes? My dad has blue eyes and my mom has brown. I’m one of four kids and only one of us have brown eyes. The rest of us have blue and green.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m LOLing at the idea that some of you have that Daphne or Lucia have more power than the men. Open your eyes. Cameron is not a saver. He makes a lot but clearly spends a lot too. He’s dodging paying Lucia the money he owes her probably because he knows he doesn’t have enough to cover it. If he and Daphne get divorced, she’ll be the typical cliche. A formerly pretty, now middle aged, housewife on the prowl for husband #2 before her alimony runs out. If she can’t find one, she’ll have to become a realtor or secretary or cashier. something desperate like that.

And Albie is leaving Italy within the week to go back to his bright future as a Stanford grad with rich parents. Lucia has no power over him. She’ll stay in Sicily, getting older and older, losing her looks, trying to make money through sex.

Cynical? Yeah but this is what real life is like. At the end of the day, wealth and gender finger power.

I said that Lucia has fragile power that is tied to this specific moment in time. She has power in that Albie likes her and he is powerful and she has some control over his power in this moment. But this is fleeting power and could be used to help her or destroy her depending on how she wields it.

Daphne has tremendous power and if you can't see that then you are blinded by the men. She holds the power in that relationship. I would honestly like you to give an example where she doesn't. He pulls one move she's annoyed with and she punishes him by staying away for the night (although its interesting we didn't get to see that conversation) and then freezes him out so he's making it up to her the next day. He is afraid of losing her and has said it out loud twice in the series (once to Lucia, once when recounting her emergency birth). She has not said anything like that about him. She isn't afraid of losing him at all.

Lol it’s clear that she doesn’t want Cam cheating but she can’t get him to stop. She only sleeps with the trainer because it makes her feel less internally humiliated. Cam doesn’t even know about it. We’re supposed to realize she’s lying to herself and Harper when she says things like “I’m not a victim.” She’d much rather have a faithful husband and perfect marriage. If you think that’s power, and a healthy happy relationship, I feel really sorry for you.

Mike White and the actress have explicitly said the opposite of this. I do not believe they have a happy and healthy relationship, I believe she wields the power in the unhealthy relationship they have. The fact that you can't understand that makes me question your understanding of the complexities that the show is trying to get across. You want this to be black and white. This show is not black and white.

She has some power but not a lot. Cameron is the exact type of man who will dump his middle aged wife for a younger trophy. He’s already aggressively cheating on her.

That is a different kind of horrible man IMO. Which isn't a defense of Cameron. But he very much loves her. He is the only male on the show (other than Albie) actively showing affection to a woman and showing that he actively cares what she thinks. And that is not 'stanning' them or saying they have a good relationship or stanning her. It is just an observation. He cares about what Daphne thinks, he will never leave her. He is the guy who will cheat and promise to leave but never actually do it.

Does he though? That’s the exact question Dom asks his father. Nono aggressively cheated on his wife and everyone knew including the wife who was unhappy about it. Yet Nono maintains they loved each other and had a happy marriage. We the audience think this is delusional thinking in his part. Dom asks something like, how can you say you love someone and treat them that way?

Cam cares about Daphne but it’s not a selfless love. He doesn’t prioritize her happiness over his own or his sexual appetites.

I didn't say it was selfless but yes I think he loves her. I have said it before he is the only guy who is expressing that he cares about this. When she's upset he does things to address it (schedule wine tasting), when he talks about her almost dying in childbirth he cries, when Lucia talks to him he is upset because he is with his WIFE. He is not a good person I'm not saying this is a good or healthy or pure love. But it is absolutely a primary driver of his behavior. I think Nono loved his wife. I think Dom does not love Laura Dern. You can love someone and be bad to them and act selfishly, that happens in marriages and romances every day.

Loving someone means you are willing to put their happiness over your own in matters where it counts like fidelity. Cam and Daphne are a dumpster fire. It blows my mind that anyone thinks they are aspirational. She’s gone for one night and he hires hookers. She’s having a long term affair with her trainer to get back at his rampant cheating. One or both of her kids may have been fathered by another man. Cam doesn’t have the cash to pay the hooker who is threatening to blow up his spot imminently. If they were white and beautiful, they’d be on Maury Povich.

I guess that is pretty privilege for you!

You are not understanding my point at all

Honestly impressed at pps dedication to completely missing any and every point you made.