DA vs ECNL vs everything else

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Avoiding what discussion? Are you doubting what I'm saying? If so, it because you have witnessed it yet. Some people have to see it to believe it. Your a visual person obvioisly.

Touching story about late bloomers though. However, late bloomers are the exception, not the rule. My child was one. I get it.

I'm not selling DA over ECNL like some think. I'm telling you my opinion based on trends. Take it or leave it. It's not gospel. If it was trending the other way I would take note and say it.

I don't doubt what you are saying at all. In the short term, if a team loses #1-#6, without replacement at similar skill level, they're not going to be as competitive. That's a no-brainer.
What people are saying is that over the course of one or two years, that dropoff can erase, or deepen depending on the relative development of the new #1-#18. However, if a club continues to lose #1-$6 every year, there is no recovery from that.

Well hot dang. We agree

Yes but only 3-4 worthy of DA each pool. The rest of the stars are kept hidden and are told to sandbag U14 tryouts. Shhhh don't tell anyone please.

So if Loudoun loses their top 1-6 to FCV and Spirit every year for each age group - then where should your kid be right now? Who cares what the jersey says. In that case Loudoun is developing all of the future stars. Go to Loudoun, build up until your kids until they are #1-6 and switch. FCV and WS will dump their own every year in this scenario.

Loudoun doesnt develop stars. They have a huge player pool. There are stars inside the pool.

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Avoiding what discussion? Are you doubting what I'm saying? If so, it because you have witnessed it yet. Some people have to see it to believe it. Your a visual person obvioisly.

Touching story about late bloomers though. However, late bloomers are the exception, not the rule. My child was one. I get it.

I'm not selling DA over ECNL like some think. I'm telling you my opinion based on trends. Take it or leave it. It's not gospel. If it was trending the other way I would take note and say it.

I don't doubt what you are saying at all. In the short term, if a team loses #1-#6, without replacement at similar skill level, they're not going to be as competitive. That's a no-brainer.
What people are saying is that over the course of one or two years, that dropoff can erase, or deepen depending on the relative development of the new #1-#18. However, if a club continues to lose #1-$6 every year, there is no recovery from that.

Well hot dang. We agree

So if Loudoun loses their top 1-6 to FCV and Spirit every year for each age group - then where should your kid be right now? Who cares what the jersey says. In that case Loudoun is developing all of the future stars. Go to Loudoun, build up until your kids until they are #1-6 and switch. FCV and WS will dump their own every year in this scenario.

Loudoun doesnt develop stars. They have a huge player pool. There are stars inside the pool.

Yes but only 3-4 worthy of DA each pool. The rest of the stars are kept hidden and are told to sandbag U14 tryouts. Shhhh don't tell anyone please.

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Avoiding what discussion? Are you doubting what I'm saying? If so, it because you have witnessed it yet. Some people have to see it to believe it. Your a visual person obvioisly.

Touching story about late bloomers though. However, late bloomers are the exception, not the rule. My child was one. I get it.

I'm not selling DA over ECNL like some think. I'm telling you my opinion based on trends. Take it or leave it. It's not gospel. If it was trending the other way I would take note and say it.

I don't doubt what you are saying at all. In the short term, if a team loses #1-#6, without replacement at similar skill level, they're not going to be as competitive. That's a no-brainer.
What people are saying is that over the course of one or two years, that dropoff can erase, or deepen depending on the relative development of the new #1-#18. However, if a club continues to lose #1-$6 every year, there is no recovery from that.

Well hot dang. We agree

So if Loudoun loses their top 1-6 to FCV and Spirit every year for each age group - then where should your kid be right now? Who cares what the jersey says. In that case Loudoun is developing all of the future stars. Go to Loudoun, build up until your kids until they are #1-6 and switch. FCV and WS will dump their own every year in this scenario.

Loudoun doesnt develop stars. They have a huge player pool. There are stars inside the pool.

Yes but only 3-4 worthy of DA each pool. The rest of the stars are kept hidden and are told to sandbag U14 tryouts. Shhhh don't tell anyone please.

The stars inside the pool are actually kept at the indoor pool. It's a secret bunker at the park. Kids can swim and stuff but no actual development happens. Trust me.

[Anonymous]

Why are ECNL tryouts generally later than DA? The GDA has started very early both years, but ECNL has generally not adjusted to suit. Almost like they've decided not to participate in an arms race.

[Anonymous]

RE: Alex Morgan - dad was hands-on coaching her team until she moved to a travel program. Also she was from an area that is a massive soccer hotbed (#1 or #2 in the US) so you can find competitive pickup and street soccer all over the place, California soccer is Year-Round, so it's not like she was a true recreational player until that point. It's not like she had never played competitively before. The teams she joined were nationally ranked, so "the first coach that didn't take her seriously" was like nowadays joining a girls DA team where you were the last player, which means you are still within shooting distance if you put in the work.

She was likely doing soccer almost every single day and training very seriously. Going #1 in the NWSL draft and getting called into the full national team doesn't happen by accident, guys. How many 14 year olds do you know that are living and breathing soccer every day? They are out there but not that many.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are ECNL tryouts generally later than DA? The GDA has started very early both years, but ECNL has generally not adjusted to suit. Almost like they've decided not to participate in an arms race.

Maybe they realize there is no arms race. Maybe they believe that developing soccer players is a process not greek rush. Maybe these coaches and parents trust the process and have patience to let the players develop. Hmmm...maybe.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are ECNL tryouts generally later than DA? The GDA has started very early both years, but ECNL has generally not adjusted to suit. Almost like they've decided not to participate in an arms race.

Couple of reasons. ECNL rules prevent ECNL players from trying out for another ECNL club until May, so most clubs just waited to held tryouts until then so everyone is seen together.Also makes sense for those clubs where there is Spring high school soccer. Also, until recently, when as you note the DA pushed the timeline up, it's what every club did so there was no rush. Last year, ECNL teams didn't react fast enough but this year, there's signs that it's changing. BRYC has already open up practices to non-ECNL players; Loudoun has held ID centers (they're not officially in ECNL yet but I understand their following the rules.) Others ECNL clubs are not though; Bethesda don't start their official tryouts until mid-May, by which time Spirit Md will have certainly made lots of offers. Of course, Bethesda could do like they did last year and schedule a mandatory practice during the exact same time periods that Spirit schedules a tryout.

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Anonymous wrote:RE: Alex Morgan - dad was hands-on coaching her team until she moved to a travel program. Also she was from an area that is a massive soccer hotbed (#1 or #2 in the US) so you can find competitive pickup and street soccer all over the place, California soccer is Year-Round, so it's not like she was a true recreational player until that point. It's not like she had never played competitively before. The teams she joined were nationally ranked, so "the first coach that didn't take her seriously" was like nowadays joining a girls DA team where you were the last player, which means you are still within shooting distance if you put in the work.

She was likely doing soccer almost every single day and training very seriously. Going #1 in the NWSL draft and getting called into the full national team doesn't happen by accident, guys. How many 14 year olds do you know that are living and breathing soccer every day? They are out there but not that many.

I agree with most of what you are saying. But that club coach did not take her seriously. Think about that. Alex Morgan. That's clearly a miss on his part. Happens all the time. It was not like being last player on DA. She did not make the team. That soccer coach could not see who see would become. Nobody could. Not at that age. That will never change.

Tom Brady was chubby at the NFL combine and looked complete out of shape. Look at him in 2000 - http://www.businessinsider.com/the-tom-brady-nfl-draft-quarterbacks-2017-1
What a bum. No way that guy will win 5 Superbowls for any team right? I would not have picked him. No way he will become the best NFL QB ever. But he is. Nobody even questions that anymore. NFL is not soccer. But look at the big picture. Future development is not clear at the early stages in any sport.

So my points are this - if you think DA team coaches have some crystal ball to always pick the best players at U14 then you are a complete fool - as in you believe magic tricks to be real and the moon to be made of cheese. Because a smart person must suspend logic and history of all sports (including women's soccer) to believe that.

If you think future great players will not (at least occasionally but year after year) slip through the cracks, not be picked by DA at age 13 and end up in ECNL or other program, then you do not understand sports in general let alone development in youth soccer. You must not think any development occurs in soccer programs or you not believe that some non-DA kids will be "doing soccer almost every single day and training very seriously".

If you don't think that college coaches and US Soccer will understand these first two points and keep scouting ECNL and other platforms then you simply cannot put two and two together.

Believe it or not...I have not decided on DA or ECNL. After thinking it all through I don't think it matters that much.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lord have mercy. Youre talking Loudoun 07 on a ECNL vs DA forum.

3 years ago, some Loudoun 04 and 05 parents probabley thought just like you. Go ask them now what they think.

If all else fails, follow the trail. It's a clue.

A team will get destroyed if they lose their top 5-6 kids. I've seen it with less.

Example:

On most national level teams (roster size of 18)

#1- 6 are studs (Always included the midfielder).
#7-14 are above average to average.
#15-18 are average to below.

You lose #1-6 ,
you must move up #7-18
and add #19-21 from the 2nd team.

Your new team is now

#1-12 are above average to average (mostly average by number)
#13-18 are average to below average

It's very hard to compete on a national level with teams that have a roster full of stud players.

The only way counter that is to recruit 6 stud players you lost. Which will never happen in NOVA because the talent is tied up somewhere.

The only argument to this is that Loudoun will retain their talent now that they have ECNL.

However, its not happening with the 05 age group. What makes anyone thinks it will happen with the 06 and beyond age groups. If anything, ECNL becomes weaker in NOVA as the years go on...which causes more flight.

Now you are avoiding the discussion.

That is such a dumb argument. It's about player development not recruiting. Every sport is littered with stories of the best players being passed over initially and developing late.

In 2000, a kid got passed over 5 times by every NFL team in the draft until #199 in the 6th round. Whoops. Now Tom Brady is undisputedly the best QB to ever play the game. With your argument, that would never ever have happened. NFL teams should have known in 2000 who Brady would become. No way they could have thought he was #199.

Michael Jordan could not make his HS basketball team. Now he is top 3 NBA players ever. In your ergument that would never ever happen. His HS coach should have known what player he would become.

How did Alex Morgan not make the top club at 12 and 13? Answer that.

It would not surprise me at all if the best next soccer player comes out of the ECNL.

You live in a fantasy world if you think it's all about recruiting and replacing studs.

Talk about fantasy world. There are a few myths above.

1. Studs generally do not get passed by and studs do not simply get replaced.
2. Loudoun does not develop talent. Their player pool alone ensures that there will be some quality players but there is very little movement of players going to higher teams other than to fill vacancies. Few kids climb more than one to two teams. Red stays Red and the only kids that sniff Red from lower teams started almost no no lower than white.
3. 3-4 stud players make ALL the difference in the world in youth soccer.
4. Loudoun Red does not remain a powerhouse at U14 and older. No chance, they have consistently lost their top 3-6 players to ECNL and those kids were replaced by next Man up on Black. That is not development, that is simply attrition.

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You don't think Alex Morgan would have participated in GDA or ECNL (before GDA) if it had existed before 2009? She would have been 18+ at that time and no age group existed in ECNL for her and her peers. She participated in the Olympic Development Program at age ~13/14. ODP at that time was likely the best of the best.

She clearly was recognized for her speed and sprint ability. From my experience, I have not seen one coach giving up on "fast" girls, they have received a significant and inordinate amount of PT and attention to help develop ball skills, However, many of the girls I've seen were not as coordinates as I am led to believe about Alex Morgan.

I saw someone proclaimed her as the best female player earlier. "Alex Morgan is probably the best player in the world and she could not make her top club team at 12 and 13. Look it up. She was a late developer. There are lots of them. Don’t think that girls are done growing at this age."

It doesn't sound like she was a late developer. She even says she wasn't in this interview. I don't think she was the type of athlete you are describing. I think playing rec at AYSO, it's clear that she wasn't developing soccer skills on par with what she was going to get at higher level development/competition. That's applied development. It sounds like she just wasn't committed to soccer until 13.

http://www.calsouth.com/en/news-detail/254-year.2011_254-id.209716028.html#.WsfD1GcUmwc

Alex Morgan: I grew up in .. in Southern California. I started in AYSO. I tried a lot of different sports. When I was around 13 years old, I was heading into high school the next year, I kind of decided that soccer was my thing. I was actually pretty good at it, better than softball and basketball, I kind of narrowed it down and started to play club soccer when I was 14 years old, which is a little late.

CS: Wow, why did you wait until 14?

AM: I knew girls who had taken the leap and had gone to club teams a lot earlier, when they were 10, 11, 12. I just felt like still having fun with soccer and other sports. I didn't want to take such a big commitment on myself, you know? It was a real big commitment to jump from AYSO to club, so I kind of waited until I knew youth soccer was the sport I wanted to pursue.

CS: How did your soccer experience change from there?

AM: I actually had my first ODP camp on a weekend about six months after I started club. It was quite fast moving after I started club. I was happy and content with that because I was ready to make that leap and commit myself to soccer. So I was really excited by the call. It only helped improve my game.

CS: What are you memories of playing in Cal South ODP? How did it affect your development as a player?

AM: Being a young player, it opened my eyes to the game. It helped me learn a lot about myself, about confidence and having a positive attitude. AYSO and playing recreational sports were all fun, but once you got into the higher level of competition, it was a lot more stressful at times. Having to deal with that, dealing with my social life and my homework and school, because ODP took up a lot of time on the weekends, it helped me balance my time a lot better. On the field, the best girls in Southern California were coming together to play, so my game improved every time I played with them, from my touch to my finishing to reading the game.

CS: Being a late bloomer, how do you think your development differed from other teammates?

AM: I wouldn't say "late bloomer." I think I was just having fun playing multiple sports. I was always athletic from a young age. I never wanted to narrow it down to one sport. My parents never pressured me into anything, you know? I loved going from soccer to basketball practice to softball to track. I really enjoyed that and I didn't want to take that next step until I was ready. I've seen a lot of girls who were burned out by the time they got to college and I didn't want to be one of those girls who was sick of what they were doing by the time they were 18 because I was playing competitively since the age of 8.

There was no reason to rush and my parents didn't rush me into anything. Once I was ready, they helped me find the best clubs in southern California to try out for. Looking back, I wouldn't change anything. I think that was the best for me.

CS: What do you think played an important role in your development as a player?

AM: How I developed was through my parents learning about the game. My dad knew nothing about soccer. He didn't even want me to play soccer.

But once I was determined, he took me to lessons and coached me in AYSO. Once I started with Cypress FC and ODP, we went out twice a week at least. He bought one of those quick setup goals and we'd go out and shoot around from 20 minutes to an hour and a half. That helped me as a forward with my finishing. My parents supported me a lot and helped a lot with my development. Other than that, programs like ODP helped me especially because I did come into the club scene late and it was important for me to play as much as possible, play with the best players and learn from the best coaches. That, for me, was crucial to my development.

CS: So your father (Mike Morgan) had a big impact?

AM: Hands down, I think that is the reason I am so poised in and around the box today. That was one thing I worked day and day out.

Being able to have [him] consistently go out with you, even if he wasn't an expert in the game. If he was laying a ball off for me or being in the goal so I had somewhere to aim, that was a very important reason why I am one of the top finishers today.

Clearly a lot has changed since her younger development days. But I don't think your argument using her as an example holds much water. There is too much that contradicts what was going on at the u14 age.. That "ODP starts very quickly" experience shows that the highest level programs identified very quickly after her intro into club. She didn't appear to slip through the cracks as much as you've described or really much at all. From https://youtu.be/pxM9l5Z5MoA she attests she was missing soccer skills, relied significantly on her speed. She even goes on to say that the highest level competition (ODP at that time) is what helped her develop into the soccer player she is now...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lord have mercy. Youre talking Loudoun 07 on a ECNL vs DA forum.

3 years ago, some Loudoun 04 and 05 parents probabley thought just like you. Go ask them now what they think.

If all else fails, follow the trail. It's a clue.

A team will get destroyed if they lose their top 5-6 kids. I've seen it with less.

Example:

On most national level teams (roster size of 18)

#1- 6 are studs (Always included the midfielder).
#7-14 are above average to average.
#15-18 are average to below.

You lose #1-6 ,
you must move up #7-18
and add #19-21 from the 2nd team.

Your new team is now

#1-12 are above average to average (mostly average by number)
#13-18 are average to below average

It's very hard to compete on a national level with teams that have a roster full of stud players.

The only way counter that is to recruit 6 stud players you lost. Which will never happen in NOVA because the talent is tied up somewhere.

The only argument to this is that Loudoun will retain their talent now that they have ECNL.

However, its not happening with the 05 age group. What makes anyone thinks it will happen with the 06 and beyond age groups. If anything, ECNL becomes weaker in NOVA as the years go on...which causes more flight.

Now you are avoiding the discussion.

That is such a dumb argument. It's about player development not recruiting. Every sport is littered with stories of the best players being passed over initially and developing late.

In 2000, a kid got passed over 5 times by every NFL team in the draft until #199 in the 6th round. Whoops. Now Tom Brady is undisputedly the best QB to ever play the game. With your argument, that would never ever have happened. NFL teams should have known in 2000 who Brady would become. No way they could have thought he was #199.

Michael Jordan could not make his HS basketball team. Now he is top 3 NBA players ever. In your ergument that would never ever happen. His HS coach should have known what player he would become.

How did Alex Morgan not make the top club at 12 and 13? Answer that.

It would not surprise me at all if the best next soccer player comes out of the ECNL.

You live in a fantasy world if you think it's all about recruiting and replacing studs.

Talk about fantasy world. There are a few myths above.

1. Studs generally do not get passed by and studs do not simply get replaced.

C'mon you can't believe that. It happens all the time. Alex Morgan. Tom Brady. Michael Jordan. Look I picked the very best in each sport to make a point but stud players are passed by in sports all the time. Not every stud is a phenom at 13. Think about it - if that club coach passed by an Alex Morgan how easy would it be for him or her to miss just a strong D1 player? Answer - It would be WAY easier. Happens all the time.

2. Loudoun does not develop talent. Their player pool alone ensures that there will be some quality players but there is very little movement of players going to higher teams other than to fill vacancies. Few kids climb more than one to two teams. Red stays Red and the only kids that sniff Red from lower teams started almost no no lower than white.

Wrong again. I know a Loudoun player getting time up with Red that was White last year and Loudoun Rec the beginning of last season. She joined the White team mid season last year in the winter. Black this year and playing time on Red. You are wrong. This tells me that you don't know Loudoun very well after all. You saying Loudoun does not develop players is stupid. What does that even mean - you don't think Loudoun players practice and work hard to get better. You are stupid if you think that.

3. 3-4 stud players make ALL the difference in the world in youth soccer.

Sure they do, and the can be developed. No team has a monopoly on develop.

4. Loudoun Red does not remain a powerhouse at U14 and older. No chance, they have consistently lost their top 3-6 players to ECNL and those kids were replaced by next Man up on Black. That is not development, that is simply attrition.

Yeah you hope but again Fantasyland for you. You don't because ECNL is new. Players also move to Loudoun, not like they can't recruit either.

I am realizing that you are just a Loudoun hater and know nothing about soccer...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lord have mercy. Youre talking Loudoun 07 on a ECNL vs DA forum.

3 years ago, some Loudoun 04 and 05 parents probabley thought just like you. Go ask them now what they think.

If all else fails, follow the trail. It's a clue.

A team will get destroyed if they lose their top 5-6 kids. I've seen it with less.

Example:

On most national level teams (roster size of 18)

#1- 6 are studs (Always included the midfielder).
#7-14 are above average to average.
#15-18 are average to below.

You lose #1-6 ,
you must move up #7-18
and add #19-21 from the 2nd team.

Your new team is now

#1-12 are above average to average (mostly average by number)
#13-18 are average to below average

It's very hard to compete on a national level with teams that have a roster full of stud players.

The only way counter that is to recruit 6 stud players you lost. Which will never happen in NOVA because the talent is tied up somewhere.

The only argument to this is that Loudoun will retain their talent now that they have ECNL.

However, its not happening with the 05 age group. What makes anyone thinks it will happen with the 06 and beyond age groups. If anything, ECNL becomes weaker in NOVA as the years go on...which causes more flight.

Now you are avoiding the discussion.

That is such a dumb argument. It's about player development not recruiting. Every sport is littered with stories of the best players being passed over initially and developing late.

In 2000, a kid got passed over 5 times by every NFL team in the draft until #199 in the 6th round. Whoops. Now Tom Brady is undisputedly the best QB to ever play the game. With your argument, that would never ever have happened. NFL teams should have known in 2000 who Brady would become. No way they could have thought he was #199.

Michael Jordan could not make his HS basketball team. Now he is top 3 NBA players ever. In your ergument that would never ever happen. His HS coach should have known what player he would become.

How did Alex Morgan not make the top club at 12 and 13? Answer that.

It would not surprise me at all if the best next soccer player comes out of the ECNL.

You live in a fantasy world if you think it's all about recruiting and replacing studs.

Talk about fantasy world. There are a few myths above.

1. Studs generally do not get passed by and studs do not simply get replaced.

C'mon you can't believe that. It happens all the time. Alex Morgan. Tom Brady. Michael Jordan. Look I picked the very best in each sport to make a point but stud players are passed by in sports all the time. Not every stud is a phenom at 13. Think about it - if that club coach passed by an Alex Morgan how easy would it be for him or her to miss just a strong D1 player? Answer - It would be WAY easier. Happens all the time.

2. Loudoun does not develop talent. Their player pool alone ensures that there will be some quality players but there is very little movement of players going to higher teams other than to fill vacancies. Few kids climb more than one to two teams. Red stays Red and the only kids that sniff Red from lower teams started almost no no lower than white.

Wrong again. I know a Loudoun player getting time up with Red that was White last year and Loudoun Rec the beginning of last season. She joined the White team mid season last year in the winter. Black this year and playing time on Red. You are wrong. This tells me that you don't know Loudoun very well after all. You saying Loudoun does not develop players is stupid. What does that even mean - you don't think Loudoun players practice and work hard to get better. You are stupid if you think that.

3. 3-4 stud players make ALL the difference in the world in youth soccer.

Sure they do, and the can be developed. No team has a monopoly on develop.

4. Loudoun Red does not remain a powerhouse at U14 and older. No chance, they have consistently lost their top 3-6 players to ECNL and those kids were replaced by next Man up on Black. That is not development, that is simply attrition.

Yeah you hope but again Fantasyland for you. You don't because ECNL is new. Players also move to Loudoun, not like they can't recruit either.

I am realizing that you are just a Loudoun hater and know nothing about soccer...

Talk about fantasy world. There are a few myths above.

1. Studs generally do not get passed by and studs do not simply get replaced.

C'mon you can't believe that. It happens all the time. Alex Morgan. Tom Brady. Michael Jordan. Look I picked the very best in each sport to make a point but stud players are passed by in sports all the time. Not every stud is a phenom at 13. Think about it - if that club coach passed by an Alex Morgan how easy would it be for him or her to miss just a strong D1 player? Answer - It would be WAY easier. Happens all the time.

2. Loudoun does not develop talent. Their player pool alone ensures that there will be some quality players but there is very little movement of players going to higher teams other than to fill vacancies. Few kids climb more than one to two teams. Red stays Red and the only kids that sniff Red from lower teams started almost no no lower than white.

Wrong again. I know a Loudoun player getting time up with Red that was White last year and Loudoun Rec the beginning of last season. She joined the White team mid season last year in the winter. Black this year and playing time on Red. You are wrong. This tells me that you don't know Loudoun very well after all. You saying Loudoun does not develop players is stupid. What does that even mean - you don't think Loudoun players practice and work hard to get better. You are stupid if you think that.

3. 3-4 stud players make ALL the difference in the world in youth soccer.

Sure they do, and the can be developed. No team has a monopoly on develop.

4. Loudoun Red does not remain a powerhouse at U14 and older. No chance, they have consistently lost their top 3-6 players to ECNL and those kids were replaced by next Man up on Black. That is not development, that is simply attrition.

Yeah you hope but again Fantasyland for you. You don't because ECNL is new. Players also move to Loudoun, not like they can't recruit either.

I am realizing that you are just a Loudoun hater and know nothing about soccer...

[Anonymous]

^^^

LOL someone is really excited that Loudoun got ECNL.

[Anonymous]

Hey Loudoun hater. Quit hiding. Who does your kid play for. Man up or shut up.

[Anonymous]

He won't say because his kids team stinks. Probably FCV and failed to make Loudoun Red last year. LOL. No credibility anymore on this board. He is a CLOWN.