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Anonymous wrote:Ivy League alumni who pose as anti-elite, anti-establishment, anti-intellectual, anti-expertise populists while primarily representing the interests of billionaire capitalist sociopaths are a plague that has taken over the Republican Party. Vance is phonier than Trump or Cruz or Cotton or Alito, if that is possible. It’s all a con. They jump in front of the 200+ year old nativist and bigoted and ignorant right-wing movement and appoint themselves its leaders while turning it into a vehicle for yet more tax breaks and deregulation for the capitalist establishment.

Don’t forget married in Hindu ceremony, recently “converted” to Catholicism (he only, not his wife and kids), and Mr Catholic’s billionaire puppetmaster is a sodomite.

You put converted in quotation marks, implying that it was insincere and, thus, politically motivated.

Who on earth thinks converting to Catholicism is a winning political move?

Speaking as a cradle catholic, converts are by and large more conservative than us. I doubt JD's church is like, say, Holy Trinity in Georgetown. I would bet my retirement account it's theologically and culturally conservative - probably lots of families with 5+ kids, homeschool/Catholic school is common, I would not be surprised if a lot of the parishioners thought Vatican II was "invalid" (a common debate at the church I grew up attending) and prefer to attend Latin Mass. I remember being told growing up that "good" Catholics voted for Republicans because of the pro-life issue*. Converts typically convert to that brand of tradcath. They rarely convert to the Joe Biden/Nancy Pelosi/Jesuit style Catholicism.

I was not the one who put "convert" in quotes, but it's weird to me that only he converted and not the wife or kids. I suspect this was done to network with and appeal to the Amy Coney Barrett style Catholics, who are a huge presence in conservatism.

*Conveniently neglecting the fact that "pro-life" also means you oppose the death penalty, which Republicans don't. Now I am pro-choice and pro-death penalty and I mostly vote Dem and I don't go to Mass, so you see how well those kinds of CCD lessons went over.

His oldest child (only one who is school-aged) goes to Catholic school.

I know, I saw that earlier in the thread. The kid is not Catholic unless/until baptized Catholic. I haven't been to Mass in 15 years. I am still Catholic because I was baptized Catholic. My protestant father goes to Mass with my mother every weekend. He is not Catholic and will never be until he converts. (I actually don't think he needs to be rebaptized because he is a member of a church whose baptismal rites the Vatican considers valid...it's convoluted, imo.)

JD Vance's kids can go to Catholic school and CCD but until they are baptized Catholic they aren't Catholic. this is not a knock on the kids. Frankly I think they're better off not being raised Catholic, particularly the girl. But it's weird to me only he converted and he didn't bother getting them baptized. (To my knowledge. Of course if he did, correct me.) That makes me think it's political. If you really believed your church was the one true church...you'd get your kids baptized in it. For example, my mom marrying a protestant but making sure her kids were all baptized Catholic at three months old exactly.

Again this is all just conjecture from, admittedly, a very biased lapsed Catholic.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivy League alumni who pose as anti-elite, anti-establishment, anti-intellectual, anti-expertise populists while primarily representing the interests of billionaire capitalist sociopaths are a plague that has taken over the Republican Party. Vance is phonier than Trump or Cruz or Cotton or Alito, if that is possible. It’s all a con. They jump in front of the 200+ year old nativist and bigoted and ignorant right-wing movement and appoint themselves its leaders while turning it into a vehicle for yet more tax breaks and deregulation for the capitalist establishment.

Don’t forget married in Hindu ceremony, recently “converted” to Catholicism (he only, not his wife and kids), and Mr Catholic’s billionaire puppetmaster is a sodomite.

You put converted in quotation marks, implying that it was insincere and, thus, politically motivated.

Who on earth thinks converting to Catholicism is a winning political move?

Speaking as a cradle catholic, converts are by and large more conservative than us. I doubt JD's church is like, say, Holy Trinity in Georgetown. I would bet my retirement account it's theologically and culturally conservative - probably lots of families with 5+ kids, homeschool/Catholic school is common, I would not be surprised if a lot of the parishioners thought Vatican II was "invalid" (a common debate at the church I grew up attending) and prefer to attend Latin Mass. I remember being told growing up that "good" Catholics voted for Republicans because of the pro-life issue*. Converts typically convert to that brand of tradcath. They rarely convert to the Joe Biden/Nancy Pelosi/Jesuit style Catholicism.

I was not the one who put "convert" in quotes, but it's weird to me that only he converted and not the wife or kids. I suspect this was done to network with and appeal to the Amy Coney Barrett style Catholics, who are a huge presence in conservatism.

*Conveniently neglecting the fact that "pro-life" also means you oppose the death penalty, which Republicans don't. Now I am pro-choice and pro-death penalty and I mostly vote Dem and I don't go to Mass, so you see how well those kinds of CCD lessons went over.

His oldest child (only one who is school-aged) goes to Catholic school.

I know, I saw that earlier in the thread. The kid is not Catholic unless/until baptized Catholic. I haven't been to Mass in 15 years. I am still Catholic because I was baptized Catholic. My protestant father goes to Mass with my mother every weekend. He is not Catholic and will never be until he converts. (I actually don't think he needs to be rebaptized because he is a member of a church whose baptismal rites the Vatican considers valid...it's convoluted, imo.)

JD Vance's kids can go to Catholic school and CCD but until they are baptized Catholic they aren't Catholic. this is not a knock on the kids. Frankly I think they're better off not being raised Catholic, particularly the girl. But it's weird to me only he converted and he didn't bother getting them baptized. (To my knowledge. Of course if he did, correct me.) That makes me think it's political. If you really believed your church was the one true church...you'd get your kids baptized in it. For example, my mom marrying a protestant but making sure her kids were all baptized Catholic at three months old exactly.

Again this is all just conjecture from, admittedly, a very biased lapsed Catholic.

You don't have to know the secret password to get in you know. You can just show up and attend. And they will take donations from anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivy League alumni who pose as anti-elite, anti-establishment, anti-intellectual, anti-expertise populists while primarily representing the interests of billionaire capitalist sociopaths are a plague that has taken over the Republican Party. Vance is phonier than Trump or Cruz or Cotton or Alito, if that is possible. It’s all a con. They jump in front of the 200+ year old nativist and bigoted and ignorant right-wing movement and appoint themselves its leaders while turning it into a vehicle for yet more tax breaks and deregulation for the capitalist establishment.

Don’t forget married in Hindu ceremony, recently “converted” to Catholicism (he only, not his wife and kids), and Mr Catholic’s billionaire puppetmaster is a sodomite.

You put converted in quotation marks, implying that it was insincere and, thus, politically motivated.

Who on earth thinks converting to Catholicism is a winning political move?

Speaking as a cradle catholic, converts are by and large more conservative than us. I doubt JD's church is like, say, Holy Trinity in Georgetown. I would bet my retirement account it's theologically and culturally conservative - probably lots of families with 5+ kids, homeschool/Catholic school is common, I would not be surprised if a lot of the parishioners thought Vatican II was "invalid" (a common debate at the church I grew up attending) and prefer to attend Latin Mass. I remember being told growing up that "good" Catholics voted for Republicans because of the pro-life issue*. Converts typically convert to that brand of tradcath. They rarely convert to the Joe Biden/Nancy Pelosi/Jesuit style Catholicism.

I was not the one who put "convert" in quotes, but it's weird to me that only he converted and not the wife or kids. I suspect this was done to network with and appeal to the Amy Coney Barrett style Catholics, who are a huge presence in conservatism.

*Conveniently neglecting the fact that "pro-life" also means you oppose the death penalty, which Republicans don't. Now I am pro-choice and pro-death penalty and I mostly vote Dem and I don't go to Mass, so you see how well those kinds of CCD lessons went over.

His oldest child (only one who is school-aged) goes to Catholic school.

I know, I saw that earlier in the thread. The kid is not Catholic unless/until baptized Catholic. I haven't been to Mass in 15 years. I am still Catholic because I was baptized Catholic. My protestant father goes to Mass with my mother every weekend. He is not Catholic and will never be until he converts. (I actually don't think he needs to be rebaptized because he is a member of a church whose baptismal rites the Vatican considers valid...it's convoluted, imo.)

JD Vance's kids can go to Catholic school and CCD but until they are baptized Catholic they aren't Catholic. this is not a knock on the kids. Frankly I think they're better off not being raised Catholic, particularly the girl. But it's weird to me only he converted and he didn't bother getting them baptized. (To my knowledge. Of course if he did, correct me.) That makes me think it's political. If you really believed your church was the one true church...you'd get your kids baptized in it. For example, my mom marrying a protestant but making sure her kids were all baptized Catholic at three months old exactly.

Again this is all just conjecture from, admittedly, a very biased lapsed Catholic.

You don't have to know the secret password to get in you know. You can just show up and attend. And they will take donations from anyone.

What did I just say? Obviously I know you can just show up and attend. My dad has been doing that for years.

I didn't say the kids couldn't attend. I specifically said they could go to Catholic school and CCD. They aren't considered Catholic.

I don't think you actually read my post. You sprinted to be able to say something condescending which wasn't even necessary because I already addressed it in the post.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivy League alumni who pose as anti-elite, anti-establishment, anti-intellectual, anti-expertise populists while primarily representing the interests of billionaire capitalist sociopaths are a plague that has taken over the Republican Party. Vance is phonier than Trump or Cruz or Cotton or Alito, if that is possible. It’s all a con. They jump in front of the 200+ year old nativist and bigoted and ignorant right-wing movement and appoint themselves its leaders while turning it into a vehicle for yet more tax breaks and deregulation for the capitalist establishment.

Don’t forget married in Hindu ceremony, recently “converted” to Catholicism (he only, not his wife and kids), and Mr Catholic’s billionaire puppetmaster is a sodomite.

You put converted in quotation marks, implying that it was insincere and, thus, politically motivated.

Who on earth thinks converting to Catholicism is a winning political move?

Speaking as a cradle catholic, converts are by and large more conservative than us. I doubt JD's church is like, say, Holy Trinity in Georgetown. I would bet my retirement account it's theologically and culturally conservative - probably lots of families with 5+ kids, homeschool/Catholic school is common, I would not be surprised if a lot of the parishioners thought Vatican II was "invalid" (a common debate at the church I grew up attending) and prefer to attend Latin Mass. I remember being told growing up that "good" Catholics voted for Republicans because of the pro-life issue*. Converts typically convert to that brand of tradcath. They rarely convert to the Joe Biden/Nancy Pelosi/Jesuit style Catholicism.

I was not the one who put "convert" in quotes, but it's weird to me that only he converted and not the wife or kids. I suspect this was done to network with and appeal to the Amy Coney Barrett style Catholics, who are a huge presence in conservatism.

*Conveniently neglecting the fact that "pro-life" also means you oppose the death penalty, which Republicans don't. Now I am pro-choice and pro-death penalty and I mostly vote Dem and I don't go to Mass, so you see how well those kinds of CCD lessons went over.

His oldest child (only one who is school-aged) goes to Catholic school.

I know, I saw that earlier in the thread. The kid is not Catholic unless/until baptized Catholic. I haven't been to Mass in 15 years. I am still Catholic because I was baptized Catholic. My protestant father goes to Mass with my mother every weekend. He is not Catholic and will never be until he converts. (I actually don't think he needs to be rebaptized because he is a member of a church whose baptismal rites the Vatican considers valid...it's convoluted, imo.)

JD Vance's kids can go to Catholic school and CCD but until they are baptized Catholic they aren't Catholic. this is not a knock on the kids. Frankly I think they're better off not being raised Catholic, particularly the girl. But it's weird to me only he converted and he didn't bother getting them baptized. (To my knowledge. Of course if he did, correct me.) That makes me think it's political. If you really believed your church was the one true church...you'd get your kids baptized in it. For example, my mom marrying a protestant but making sure her kids were all baptized Catholic at three months old exactly.

Again this is all just conjecture from, admittedly, a very biased lapsed Catholic.

You don't have to know the secret password to get in you know. You can just show up and attend. And they will take donations from anyone.

She is correct though you know. You can just show up and attend but only someone christened in the Catholic Church is considered Catholic.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivy League alumni who pose as anti-elite, anti-establishment, anti-intellectual, anti-expertise populists while primarily representing the interests of billionaire capitalist sociopaths are a plague that has taken over the Republican Party. Vance is phonier than Trump or Cruz or Cotton or Alito, if that is possible. It’s all a con. They jump in front of the 200+ year old nativist and bigoted and ignorant right-wing movement and appoint themselves its leaders while turning it into a vehicle for yet more tax breaks and deregulation for the capitalist establishment.

Don’t forget married in Hindu ceremony, recently “converted” to Catholicism (he only, not his wife and kids), and Mr Catholic’s billionaire puppetmaster is a sodomite.

You put converted in quotation marks, implying that it was insincere and, thus, politically motivated.

Who on earth thinks converting to Catholicism is a winning political move?

Speaking as a cradle catholic, converts are by and large more conservative than us. I doubt JD's church is like, say, Holy Trinity in Georgetown. I would bet my retirement account it's theologically and culturally conservative - probably lots of families with 5+ kids, homeschool/Catholic school is common, I would not be surprised if a lot of the parishioners thought Vatican II was "invalid" (a common debate at the church I grew up attending) and prefer to attend Latin Mass. I remember being told growing up that "good" Catholics voted for Republicans because of the pro-life issue*. Converts typically convert to that brand of tradcath. They rarely convert to the Joe Biden/Nancy Pelosi/Jesuit style Catholicism.

I was not the one who put "convert" in quotes, but it's weird to me that only he converted and not the wife or kids. I suspect this was done to network with and appeal to the Amy Coney Barrett style Catholics, who are a huge presence in conservatism.

*Conveniently neglecting the fact that "pro-life" also means you oppose the death penalty, which Republicans don't. Now I am pro-choice and pro-death penalty and I mostly vote Dem and I don't go to Mass, so you see how well those kinds of CCD lessons went over.

His oldest child (only one who is school-aged) goes to Catholic school.

I know, I saw that earlier in the thread. The kid is not Catholic unless/until baptized Catholic. I haven't been to Mass in 15 years. I am still Catholic because I was baptized Catholic. My protestant father goes to Mass with my mother every weekend. He is not Catholic and will never be until he converts. (I actually don't think he needs to be rebaptized because he is a member of a church whose baptismal rites the Vatican considers valid...it's convoluted, imo.)

JD Vance's kids can go to Catholic school and CCD but until they are baptized Catholic they aren't Catholic. this is not a knock on the kids. Frankly I think they're better off not being raised Catholic, particularly the girl. But it's weird to me only he converted and he didn't bother getting them baptized. (To my knowledge. Of course if he did, correct me.) That makes me think it's political. If you really believed your church was the one true church...you'd get your kids baptized in it. For example, my mom marrying a protestant but making sure her kids were all baptized Catholic at three months old exactly.

Again this is all just conjecture from, admittedly, a very biased lapsed Catholic.

You don't have to know the secret password to get in you know. You can just show up and attend. And they will take donations from anyone.

She is correct though you know. You can just show up and attend but only someone christened in the Catholic Church is considered Catholic.

She knows I'm correct. She just wanted to be rude. And that's fine. A lot of people are debating in good faith in this thread. She's not. That's okay!

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Anonymous wrote:Ivy League alumni who pose as anti-elite, anti-establishment, anti-intellectual, anti-expertise populists while primarily representing the interests of billionaire capitalist sociopaths are a plague that has taken over the Republican Party. Vance is phonier than Trump or Cruz or Cotton or Alito, if that is possible. It’s all a con. They jump in front of the 200+ year old nativist and bigoted and ignorant right-wing movement and appoint themselves its leaders while turning it into a vehicle for yet more tax breaks and deregulation for the capitalist establishment.

Don’t forget married in Hindu ceremony, recently “converted” to Catholicism (he only, not his wife and kids), and Mr Catholic’s billionaire puppetmaster is a sodomite.

You put converted in quotation marks, implying that it was insincere and, thus, politically motivated.

Who on earth thinks converting to Catholicism is a winning political move?

Speaking as a cradle catholic, converts are by and large more conservative than us. I doubt JD's church is like, say, Holy Trinity in Georgetown. I would bet my retirement account it's theologically and culturally conservative - probably lots of families with 5+ kids, homeschool/Catholic school is common, I would not be surprised if a lot of the parishioners thought Vatican II was "invalid" (a common debate at the church I grew up attending) and prefer to attend Latin Mass. I remember being told growing up that "good" Catholics voted for Republicans because of the pro-life issue*. Converts typically convert to that brand of tradcath. They rarely convert to the Joe Biden/Nancy Pelosi/Jesuit style Catholicism.

I was not the one who put "convert" in quotes, but it's weird to me that only he converted and not the wife or kids. I suspect this was done to network with and appeal to the Amy Coney Barrett style Catholics, who are a huge presence in conservatism.

*Conveniently neglecting the fact that "pro-life" also means you oppose the death penalty, which Republicans don't. Now I am pro-choice and pro-death penalty and I mostly vote Dem and I don't go to Mass, so you see how well those kinds of CCD lessons went over.

His oldest child (only one who is school-aged) goes to Catholic school.

I know, I saw that earlier in the thread. The kid is not Catholic unless/until baptized Catholic. I haven't been to Mass in 15 years. I am still Catholic because I was baptized Catholic. My protestant father goes to Mass with my mother every weekend. He is not Catholic and will never be until he converts. (I actually don't think he needs to be rebaptized because he is a member of a church whose baptismal rites the Vatican considers valid...it's convoluted, imo.)

JD Vance's kids can go to Catholic school and CCD but until they are baptized Catholic they aren't Catholic. this is not a knock on the kids. Frankly I think they're better off not being raised Catholic, particularly the girl. But it's weird to me only he converted and he didn't bother getting them baptized. (To my knowledge. Of course if he did, correct me.) That makes me think it's political. If you really believed your church was the one true church...you'd get your kids baptized in it. For example, my mom marrying a protestant but making sure her kids were all baptized Catholic at three months old exactly.

Again this is all just conjecture from, admittedly, a very biased lapsed Catholic.

You don't have to know the secret password to get in you know. You can just show up and attend. And they will take donations from anyone.

She is correct though you know. You can just show up and attend but only someone christened in the Catholic Church is considered Catholic.

By who? It is a church full of folks that show up for an hour long mass, maybe give some money, and then leave. No one has a clue who is and is not in full compliance with the assorted sacraments. That has no practical application.

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Anonymous wrote:Russ Douhat had a very revealing interview with Vance in The NY Times. Whatever your politics, it’s hard to argue that Biden, Harris, or Trump are nearly as smart or insightful as Vance, who offers nuanced, well formed answers to every question posed:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/13/opinion/jd-vance-interview.html

This guy seems like an actual intellectual, not a lightweight peddling cliches and poll tested talking points, which is refreshing.

Talk is cheap. He would force his own wife or daughter to bear her rapist's baby. So intellectual! Such nuance! So insightful and well formed!

I like it when he says it is “inconvenient” when a woman becomes pregnant from rape.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivy League alumni who pose as anti-elite, anti-establishment, anti-intellectual, anti-expertise populists while primarily representing the interests of billionaire capitalist sociopaths are a plague that has taken over the Republican Party. Vance is phonier than Trump or Cruz or Cotton or Alito, if that is possible. It’s all a con. They jump in front of the 200+ year old nativist and bigoted and ignorant right-wing movement and appoint themselves its leaders while turning it into a vehicle for yet more tax breaks and deregulation for the capitalist establishment.

Don’t forget married in Hindu ceremony, recently “converted” to Catholicism (he only, not his wife and kids), and Mr Catholic’s billionaire puppetmaster is a sodomite.

You put converted in quotation marks, implying that it was insincere and, thus, politically motivated.

Who on earth thinks converting to Catholicism is a winning political move?

Speaking as a cradle catholic, converts are by and large more conservative than us. I doubt JD's church is like, say, Holy Trinity in Georgetown. I would bet my retirement account it's theologically and culturally conservative - probably lots of families with 5+ kids, homeschool/Catholic school is common, I would not be surprised if a lot of the parishioners thought Vatican II was "invalid" (a common debate at the church I grew up attending) and prefer to attend Latin Mass. I remember being told growing up that "good" Catholics voted for Republicans because of the pro-life issue*. Converts typically convert to that brand of tradcath. They rarely convert to the Joe Biden/Nancy Pelosi/Jesuit style Catholicism.

I was not the one who put "convert" in quotes, but it's weird to me that only he converted and not the wife or kids. I suspect this was done to network with and appeal to the Amy Coney Barrett style Catholics, who are a huge presence in conservatism.

*Conveniently neglecting the fact that "pro-life" also means you oppose the death penalty, which Republicans don't. Now I am pro-choice and pro-death penalty and I mostly vote Dem and I don't go to Mass, so you see how well those kinds of CCD lessons went over.

His oldest child (only one who is school-aged) goes to Catholic school.

I know, I saw that earlier in the thread. The kid is not Catholic unless/until baptized Catholic. I haven't been to Mass in 15 years. I am still Catholic because I was baptized Catholic. My protestant father goes to Mass with my mother every weekend. He is not Catholic and will never be until he converts. (I actually don't think he needs to be rebaptized because he is a member of a church whose baptismal rites the Vatican considers valid...it's convoluted, imo.)

JD Vance's kids can go to Catholic school and CCD but until they are baptized Catholic they aren't Catholic. this is not a knock on the kids. Frankly I think they're better off not being raised Catholic, particularly the girl. But it's weird to me only he converted and he didn't bother getting them baptized. (To my knowledge. Of course if he did, correct me.) That makes me think it's political. If you really believed your church was the one true church...you'd get your kids baptized in it. For example, my mom marrying a protestant but making sure her kids were all baptized Catholic at three months old exactly.

Again this is all just conjecture from, admittedly, a very biased lapsed Catholic.

You don't have to know the secret password to get in you know. You can just show up and attend. And they will take donations from anyone.

She is correct though you know. You can just show up and attend but only someone christened in the Catholic Church is considered Catholic.

By who? It is a church full of folks that show up for an hour long mass, maybe give some money, and then leave. No one has a clue who is and is not in full compliance with the assorted sacraments. That has no practical application.

Do you know how churches work? God knows. So if God knows someone isn't baptized Catholic, they're not getting into Heaven.

If you were serious about your faith you would baptize your kids in it. She's saying the fact that they aren't makes her think he's not serious.

Good lord, what an idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivy League alumni who pose as anti-elite, anti-establishment, anti-intellectual, anti-expertise populists while primarily representing the interests of billionaire capitalist sociopaths are a plague that has taken over the Republican Party. Vance is phonier than Trump or Cruz or Cotton or Alito, if that is possible. It’s all a con. They jump in front of the 200+ year old nativist and bigoted and ignorant right-wing movement and appoint themselves its leaders while turning it into a vehicle for yet more tax breaks and deregulation for the capitalist establishment.

Don’t forget married in Hindu ceremony, recently “converted” to Catholicism (he only, not his wife and kids), and Mr Catholic’s billionaire puppetmaster is a sodomite.

You put converted in quotation marks, implying that it was insincere and, thus, politically motivated.

Who on earth thinks converting to Catholicism is a winning political move?

Speaking as a cradle catholic, converts are by and large more conservative than us. I doubt JD's church is like, say, Holy Trinity in Georgetown. I would bet my retirement account it's theologically and culturally conservative - probably lots of families with 5+ kids, homeschool/Catholic school is common, I would not be surprised if a lot of the parishioners thought Vatican II was "invalid" (a common debate at the church I grew up attending) and prefer to attend Latin Mass. I remember being told growing up that "good" Catholics voted for Republicans because of the pro-life issue*. Converts typically convert to that brand of tradcath. They rarely convert to the Joe Biden/Nancy Pelosi/Jesuit style Catholicism.

I was not the one who put "convert" in quotes, but it's weird to me that only he converted and not the wife or kids. I suspect this was done to network with and appeal to the Amy Coney Barrett style Catholics, who are a huge presence in conservatism.

*Conveniently neglecting the fact that "pro-life" also means you oppose the death penalty, which Republicans don't. Now I am pro-choice and pro-death penalty and I mostly vote Dem and I don't go to Mass, so you see how well those kinds of CCD lessons went over.

His oldest child (only one who is school-aged) goes to Catholic school.

I know, I saw that earlier in the thread. The kid is not Catholic unless/until baptized Catholic. I haven't been to Mass in 15 years. I am still Catholic because I was baptized Catholic. My protestant father goes to Mass with my mother every weekend. He is not Catholic and will never be until he converts. (I actually don't think he needs to be rebaptized because he is a member of a church whose baptismal rites the Vatican considers valid...it's convoluted, imo.)

JD Vance's kids can go to Catholic school and CCD but until they are baptized Catholic they aren't Catholic. this is not a knock on the kids. Frankly I think they're better off not being raised Catholic, particularly the girl. But it's weird to me only he converted and he didn't bother getting them baptized. (To my knowledge. Of course if he did, correct me.) That makes me think it's political. If you really believed your church was the one true church...you'd get your kids baptized in it. For example, my mom marrying a protestant but making sure her kids were all baptized Catholic at three months old exactly.

Again this is all just conjecture from, admittedly, a very biased lapsed Catholic.

You don't have to know the secret password to get in you know. You can just show up and attend. And they will take donations from anyone.

She is correct though you know. You can just show up and attend but only someone christened in the Catholic Church is considered Catholic.

By who? It is a church full of folks that show up for an hour long mass, maybe give some money, and then leave. No one has a clue who is and is not in full compliance with the assorted sacraments. That has no practical application.

Do you know how churches work? God knows. So if God knows someone isn't baptized Catholic, they're not getting into Heaven.

If you were serious about your faith you would baptize your kids in it. She's saying the fact that they aren't makes her think he's not serious.

Good lord, what an idiot.

God lord...going through the motions is meaningless. I know lots of folks that live a more "Christian" existence then many who may have been baptized as infants.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivy League alumni who pose as anti-elite, anti-establishment, anti-intellectual, anti-expertise populists while primarily representing the interests of billionaire capitalist sociopaths are a plague that has taken over the Republican Party. Vance is phonier than Trump or Cruz or Cotton or Alito, if that is possible. It’s all a con. They jump in front of the 200+ year old nativist and bigoted and ignorant right-wing movement and appoint themselves its leaders while turning it into a vehicle for yet more tax breaks and deregulation for the capitalist establishment.

Don’t forget married in Hindu ceremony, recently “converted” to Catholicism (he only, not his wife and kids), and Mr Catholic’s billionaire puppetmaster is a sodomite.

You put converted in quotation marks, implying that it was insincere and, thus, politically motivated.

Who on earth thinks converting to Catholicism is a winning political move?

Speaking as a cradle catholic, converts are by and large more conservative than us. I doubt JD's church is like, say, Holy Trinity in Georgetown. I would bet my retirement account it's theologically and culturally conservative - probably lots of families with 5+ kids, homeschool/Catholic school is common, I would not be surprised if a lot of the parishioners thought Vatican II was "invalid" (a common debate at the church I grew up attending) and prefer to attend Latin Mass. I remember being told growing up that "good" Catholics voted for Republicans because of the pro-life issue*. Converts typically convert to that brand of tradcath. They rarely convert to the Joe Biden/Nancy Pelosi/Jesuit style Catholicism.

I was not the one who put "convert" in quotes, but it's weird to me that only he converted and not the wife or kids. I suspect this was done to network with and appeal to the Amy Coney Barrett style Catholics, who are a huge presence in conservatism.

*Conveniently neglecting the fact that "pro-life" also means you oppose the death penalty, which Republicans don't. Now I am pro-choice and pro-death penalty and I mostly vote Dem and I don't go to Mass, so you see how well those kinds of CCD lessons went over.

His oldest child (only one who is school-aged) goes to Catholic school.

I know, I saw that earlier in the thread. The kid is not Catholic unless/until baptized Catholic. I haven't been to Mass in 15 years. I am still Catholic because I was baptized Catholic. My protestant father goes to Mass with my mother every weekend. He is not Catholic and will never be until he converts. (I actually don't think he needs to be rebaptized because he is a member of a church whose baptismal rites the Vatican considers valid...it's convoluted, imo.)

JD Vance's kids can go to Catholic school and CCD but until they are baptized Catholic they aren't Catholic. this is not a knock on the kids. Frankly I think they're better off not being raised Catholic, particularly the girl. But it's weird to me only he converted and he didn't bother getting them baptized. (To my knowledge. Of course if he did, correct me.) That makes me think it's political. If you really believed your church was the one true church...you'd get your kids baptized in it. For example, my mom marrying a protestant but making sure her kids were all baptized Catholic at three months old exactly.

Again this is all just conjecture from, admittedly, a very biased lapsed Catholic.

You don't have to know the secret password to get in you know. You can just show up and attend. And they will take donations from anyone.

She is correct though you know. You can just show up and attend but only someone christened in the Catholic Church is considered Catholic.

By who? It is a church full of folks that show up for an hour long mass, maybe give some money, and then leave. No one has a clue who is and is not in full compliance with the assorted sacraments. That has no practical application.

Do you know how churches work? God knows. So if God knows someone isn't baptized Catholic, they're not getting into Heaven.

If you were serious about your faith you would baptize your kids in it. She's saying the fact that they aren't makes her think he's not serious.

Good lord, what an idiot.

God lord...going through the motions is meaningless. I know lots of folks that live a more "Christian" existence than many who may have been baptized as infants.

Okay. While I agree with you we are not debating this particular fact. Try to keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivy League alumni who pose as anti-elite, anti-establishment, anti-intellectual, anti-expertise populists while primarily representing the interests of billionaire capitalist sociopaths are a plague that has taken over the Republican Party. Vance is phonier than Trump or Cruz or Cotton or Alito, if that is possible. It’s all a con. They jump in front of the 200+ year old nativist and bigoted and ignorant right-wing movement and appoint themselves its leaders while turning it into a vehicle for yet more tax breaks and deregulation for the capitalist establishment.

Don’t forget married in Hindu ceremony, recently “converted” to Catholicism (he only, not his wife and kids), and Mr Catholic’s billionaire puppetmaster is a sodomite.

You put converted in quotation marks, implying that it was insincere and, thus, politically motivated.

Who on earth thinks converting to Catholicism is a winning political move?

Speaking as a cradle catholic, converts are by and large more conservative than us. I doubt JD's church is like, say, Holy Trinity in Georgetown. I would bet my retirement account it's theologically and culturally conservative - probably lots of families with 5+ kids, homeschool/Catholic school is common, I would not be surprised if a lot of the parishioners thought Vatican II was "invalid" (a common debate at the church I grew up attending) and prefer to attend Latin Mass. I remember being told growing up that "good" Catholics voted for Republicans because of the pro-life issue*. Converts typically convert to that brand of tradcath. They rarely convert to the Joe Biden/Nancy Pelosi/Jesuit style Catholicism.

I was not the one who put "convert" in quotes, but it's weird to me that only he converted and not the wife or kids. I suspect this was done to network with and appeal to the Amy Coney Barrett style Catholics, who are a huge presence in conservatism.

*Conveniently neglecting the fact that "pro-life" also means you oppose the death penalty, which Republicans don't. Now I am pro-choice and pro-death penalty and I mostly vote Dem and I don't go to Mass, so you see how well those kinds of CCD lessons went over.

His oldest child (only one who is school-aged) goes to Catholic school.

I know, I saw that earlier in the thread. The kid is not Catholic unless/until baptized Catholic. I haven't been to Mass in 15 years. I am still Catholic because I was baptized Catholic. My protestant father goes to Mass with my mother every weekend. He is not Catholic and will never be until he converts. (I actually don't think he needs to be rebaptized because he is a member of a church whose baptismal rites the Vatican considers valid...it's convoluted, imo.)

JD Vance's kids can go to Catholic school and CCD but until they are baptized Catholic they aren't Catholic. this is not a knock on the kids. Frankly I think they're better off not being raised Catholic, particularly the girl. But it's weird to me only he converted and he didn't bother getting them baptized. (To my knowledge. Of course if he did, correct me.) That makes me think it's political. If you really believed your church was the one true church...you'd get your kids baptized in it. For example, my mom marrying a protestant but making sure her kids were all baptized Catholic at three months old exactly.

Again this is all just conjecture from, admittedly, a very biased lapsed Catholic.

You don't have to know the secret password to get in you know. You can just show up and attend. And they will take donations from anyone.

She is correct though you know. You can just show up and attend but only someone christened in the Catholic Church is considered Catholic.

By who? It is a church full of folks that show up for an hour long mass, maybe give some money, and then leave. No one has a clue who is and is not in full compliance with the assorted sacraments. That has no practical application.

Do you know how churches work? God knows. So if God knows someone isn't baptized Catholic, they're not getting into Heaven.

If you were serious about your faith you would baptize your kids in it. She's saying the fact that they aren't makes her think he's not serious.

Good lord, what an idiot.

God lord...going through the motions is meaningless. I know lots of folks that live a more "Christian" existence then many who may have been baptized as infants.

Sure, but that's not what the Catholic Church teaches. Hope this helps!

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Anonymous wrote:Ivy League alumni who pose as anti-elite, anti-establishment, anti-intellectual, anti-expertise populists while primarily representing the interests of billionaire capitalist sociopaths are a plague that has taken over the Republican Party. Vance is phonier than Trump or Cruz or Cotton or Alito, if that is possible. It’s all a con. They jump in front of the 200+ year old nativist and bigoted and ignorant right-wing movement and appoint themselves its leaders while turning it into a vehicle for yet more tax breaks and deregulation for the capitalist establishment.

Don’t forget married in Hindu ceremony, recently “converted” to Catholicism (he only, not his wife and kids), and Mr Catholic’s billionaire puppetmaster is a sodomite.

You put converted in quotation marks, implying that it was insincere and, thus, politically motivated.

Who on earth thinks converting to Catholicism is a winning political move?

Well for one only he’s allegedly Catholic. Not wife, not kids. Not married in a Catholic Church, actually married in Hindu ceremony. And only “converted” right before running for office. Who would masquerade as a fake Catholic? A calculating grifter. The same sort of lifelong con artist who changes his name after law school, made up his life story, writes a memoir full of blatant lies and exaggerations, boasts about his war zone bonafides when he was just an intel nerd on a laptop, smears white stock Americans as lazy racist drug addicts, refuses to live in flyover country, becomes a prostitute for seedy billionaires, and is itching to slaughter millions in a hot war with Iran.

Exactly.

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In any case. Regardless if Vance is baptized, does he intend to impose Catholic views on all of us, whether we are Catholic or not

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Anonymous wrote:I have voted Dem for 4 decades and am teetering toward Trump, in part because of his genius choice of Vance. I’ve taken the time to study his positions, sans the MSM bias.

I bet if you took every school shooter in the last 20 years, 90% of them grew up without a father.

-a liberal

Whose signature is ‘ a liberal’?