Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap

[Anonymous]

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The only responsible people were those who walked off the set earlier in the day -- as a result of safety concerns.

Those who stayed on were apparently ok with things.

The cinematographer stayed because she felt responsible for everyone's jobs. If she had walked off, there would have been no filming, possibly no film, no paycheck for anyone. And she'd be alive.

Now she's dead. And you're blaming her.

[Anonymous]

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I'll also add. My immediate, gut instinct to this case was, someone hated Alec and set him up.

I was the first person to say that on this thread and was poo pooed.

DP. Look, he was dumb enough to take a gun, not check (verbally with the armorer or visually by checking his own darn self) if the gun was loaded, point it in the direction of a group of people and fire it. He is still ultimately responsible. And I admit that I think he is a complete jerk (yes, I know him). But he is even more dumb than I would have thought possible with this latest act. It is really sad that his hubris and his inability to follow even basic rules (do not point a gun at anyone and don't fire it if you aren't 100% sure it is empty) caused this young woman to die. He deserves to be brought up on criminal charges and he should pay for his actions. Other people as well, but he should be at the head of the 'you're going to jail' pack.

DP. He did check verbally with the AD who handed him the gun. And since there were never supposed to be live rounds on the set at any time, ever, he didn't think to ask the AD to double check by pulling the trigger himself.

These gun nuts who say that Baldwin is responsible seem so fearful of admitting that guns are dangerous. They're dangerous for the obvious reason, that people play around with them instead of being careful. Baldwin was careful and someone died because other people were playing around with the gun. Tbh, you sound like Hannah Gutierrez, who was saying that guns are safe and people shouldn't be afraid of them.

I have a lot of experience with guns and think Alec wasn't terribly responsible-- precisely because guns are dangerous. You can have experience with guns, and be a gun owner, and also believe in strong gun control and gun safety.

You may have experience with guns but you don't have experience with people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The only responsible people were those who walked off the set earlier in the day -- as a result of safety concerns.

Those who stayed on were apparently ok with things.

The cinematographer stayed because she felt responsible for everyone's jobs. If she had walked off, there would have been no filming, possibly no film, no paycheck for anyone. And she'd be alive.

Now she's dead. And you're blaming her.

Would you stay on a movie scene with reckless gun use?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:According to this article, the ammo was left unsecured. I will not be surprised if some psychopath mixed in live ammo.

https://apnews.com/article/prop-gun-shooting-entertainment-shootings-movies-santa-fe-4a8e63727b0824d7a402f731b6ec54ea

Its the armourers job to secure both. She didn't do her job and she was handing the weapons off unsecured to everyone-and-anyone including an 11-year-old.

[Anonymous]

There was a history of gun recklessness on that set.
That's why part of the crew quit earlier in the day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The only responsible people were those who walked off the set earlier in the day -- as a result of safety concerns.

Those who stayed on were apparently ok with things.

The cinematographer stayed because she felt responsible for everyone's jobs. If she had walked off, there would have been no filming, possibly no film, no paycheck for anyone. And she'd be alive.

Now she's dead. And you're blaming her.

Would you stay on a movie scene with reckless gun use?

They didn't leave because of reckless gun use. Maybe they should have. Maybe Baldwin and Hutchins should have left because of reckless gun use. But they didn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
There was a history of gun recklessness on that set.
That's why part of the crew quit earlier in the day.

No, they didn't leave because of reckless gun use.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
There was a history of gun recklessness on that set.
That's why part of the crew quit earlier in the day.

No, they didn't leave because of reckless gun use.

Just go back and find the link where they listed the reasons why they left. Lack of gun safety was actually one of their many reasons for quitting. Another reason was sleep deprivation. Alec Baldwin failed to address any one of the problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
There was a history of gun recklessness on that set.
That's why part of the crew quit earlier in the day.

No, they didn't leave because of reckless gun use.

Just go back and find the link where they listed the reasons why they left. Lack of gun safety was actually one of their many reasons for quitting. Another reason was sleep deprivation. Alec Baldwin failed to address any one of the problems.

That wasn’t AB’s job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
There was a history of gun recklessness on that set.
That's why part of the crew quit earlier in the day.

No, they didn't leave because of reckless gun use.

Just go back and find the link where they listed the reasons why they left. Lack of gun safety was actually one of their many reasons for quitting. Another reason was sleep deprivation. Alec Baldwin failed to address any one of the problems.

Hutchins and Souza also failed to address any one of the problems.

[Anonymous]

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I'll also add. My immediate, gut instinct to this case was, someone hated Alec and set him up.

I was the first person to say that on this thread and was poo pooed.

DP. Look, he was dumb enough to take a gun, not check (verbally with the armorer or visually by checking his own darn self) if the gun was loaded, point it in the direction of a group of people and fire it. He is still ultimately responsible. And I admit that I think he is a complete jerk (yes, I know him). But he is even more dumb than I would have thought possible with this latest act. It is really sad that his hubris and his inability to follow even basic rules (do not point a gun at anyone and don't fire it if you aren't 100% sure it is empty) caused this young woman to die. He deserves to be brought up on criminal charges and he should pay for his actions. Other people as well, but he should be at the head of the 'you're going to jail' pack.

He did check in verbally. He was told explicitly that there were no bullets or blanks in the gun.

He checked with the AD, who is NOT the armorer. He did NOT check with the person he should have check with. It doesn't matter if he asked the AD, the AD was not the person responsible for managing the guns. Alec Baldwin is WRONG because he did NOT check with the right person. Although it does prove just how dumb he was - that he didn't even think that he wasn't asking the right person. His stupidity caused the death of that young woman. He deserves to be held accountable for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
There was a history of gun recklessness on that set.
That's why part of the crew quit earlier in the day.

No, they didn't leave because of reckless gun use.

Just go back and find the link where they listed the reasons why they left. Lack of gun safety was actually one of their many reasons for quitting. Another reason was sleep deprivation. Alec Baldwin failed to address any one of the problems.

That wasn’t AB’s job.

No, but his job WAS to ensure that the equipment he used was being managed appropriately. Taking a gun from someone who should not have been handling it WAS Alec Baldwin's job. Not verifying with the armorer that the gun was unloaded and empty WAS Alec Baldwin's job as soon as he decided to take possession of it. He caused that woman's death because of his failure to follow the protocols.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

I'll also add. My immediate, gut instinct to this case was, someone hated Alec and set him up.

I was the first person to say that on this thread and was poo pooed.

DP. Look, he was dumb enough to take a gun, not check (verbally with the armorer or visually by checking his own darn self) if the gun was loaded, point it in the direction of a group of people and fire it. He is still ultimately responsible. And I admit that I think he is a complete jerk (yes, I know him). But he is even more dumb than I would have thought possible with this latest act. It is really sad that his hubris and his inability to follow even basic rules (do not point a gun at anyone and don't fire it if you aren't 100% sure it is empty) caused this young woman to die. He deserves to be brought up on criminal charges and he should pay for his actions. Other people as well, but he should be at the head of the 'you're going to jail' pack.

He did check in verbally. He was told explicitly that there were no bullets or blanks in the gun.

He checked with the AD, who is NOT the armorer. He did NOT check with the person he should have check with. It doesn't matter if he asked the AD, the AD was not the person responsible for managing the guns. Alec Baldwin is WRONG because he did NOT check with the right person. Although it does prove just how dumb he was - that he didn't even think that he wasn't asking the right person. His stupidity caused the death of that young woman. He deserves to be held accountable for that.

That's ... nonsense. Strongly worded nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
There was a history of gun recklessness on that set.
That's why part of the crew quit earlier in the day.

No, they didn't leave because of reckless gun use.

News reports that a lack of gun safety was cited in a written resignation letter. Do you have information that disproves this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'll also add. My immediate, gut instinct to this case was, someone hated Alec and set him up.

I was the first person to say that on this thread and was poo pooed.

DP. Look, he was dumb enough to take a gun, not check (verbally with the armorer or visually by checking his own darn self) if the gun was loaded, point it in the direction of a group of people and fire it. He is still ultimately responsible. And I admit that I think he is a complete jerk (yes, I know him). But he is even more dumb than I would have thought possible with this latest act. It is really sad that his hubris and his inability to follow even basic rules (do not point a gun at anyone and don't fire it if you aren't 100% sure it is empty) caused this young woman to die. He deserves to be brought up on criminal charges and he should pay for his actions. Other people as well, but he should be at the head of the 'you're going to jail' pack.

He did check in verbally. He was told explicitly that there were no bullets or blanks in the gun.

He checked with the AD, who is NOT the armorer. He did NOT check with the person he should have check with. It doesn't matter if he asked the AD, the AD was not the person responsible for managing the guns. Alec Baldwin is WRONG because he did NOT check with the right person. Although it does prove just how dumb he was - that he didn't even think that he wasn't asking the right person. His stupidity caused the death of that young woman. He deserves to be held accountable for that.

That's ... nonsense. Strongly worded nonsense.

You aren't refuting anything the pp said. If you object to the points made, can you clearly state your objections? This isn't Twitter.