Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Okay...different question.

The head scriptwriter, who was there when the cinematographer was shot and who called 911, has hired Gloria Allred (a big name attorney) to represent her.

Why would she do this? I know she blames the AD--you can hear her on the 911 call. I doubt she ever touched a gun. Why would she feel the need to hire a lawyer?

She hired a publicity whore who tries to insert herself into every high profile case. I doubt Balwin would ever consider hiring her, and she probably doesn't want to have to do real work on behalf of a criminal defendant so that rules out the armourer and assistant director. I doubt she knows New Mexico workers comp law so that rules out the victims. Someone present at the shooting is probably as close as she could get.

Can you find a gender neutral word to insult her with?

It may be because she said who was responsible publically. Could that be prejudicial to the jury OR a cause for a lawsuit against her (like slander or something?)

[Anonymous]

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She very well may be telling the truth.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/krystieyandoli/rust-armorer-live-ammunition-gun-interview

Sounds like an issue of semantics. There was no live ammunition "on set" yet people were shooting bottles in the nearby dessert during breaks.

"Deny everything." It might work.

She sounds like an idiot. And a liar. And probably both.

And this is the second person she's killed in two years. Not a good look.

Not true. She did not KILL that guy on the motorcycle. she gave her boyfriend (who is not the person who died) her motorcycle keys, after he had been drinking.

He did not cause the fatal crash. She did not KILL the guy in that crash. Your statement is a GROSS exaggeration of the facts.

[Anonymous]

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I'll also add. My immediate, gut instinct to this case was, someone hated Alec and set him up.

I was the first person to say that on this thread and was poo pooed.

DP. Look, he was dumb enough to take a gun, not check (verbally with the armorer or visually by checking his own darn self) if the gun was loaded, point it in the direction of a group of people and fire it. He is still ultimately responsible. And I admit that I think he is a complete jerk (yes, I know him). But he is even more dumb than I would have thought possible with this latest act. It is really sad that his hubris and his inability to follow even basic rules (do not point a gun at anyone and don't fire it if you aren't 100% sure it is empty) caused this young woman to die. He deserves to be brought up on criminal charges and he should pay for his actions. Other people as well, but he should be at the head of the 'you're going to jail' pack.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve heard interviews with several well regarded armorers and they have all said they don’t hold AB responsible.
They have also said that while AB should have been shown the gun was cold ( we don’t know for a fact that he wasn’t) he should not have been fiddling with the gun, which reflects my experience on movie sets. The talent doesn’t mess with the firearm, other than doing what is being directed for the scene.

He was practicing the action that was in the scene. That's not "fiddling with the gun". That's rehearsal.

Standard procedure would have been that the armorer would have supplied him with a rubber weapon, or a gun that had been rendered incapable of firing for that practice, but it appears that the armorer did not provide any such guns, and instead provided what was supposed to be an unloaded or "cold" weapon.

You could argue that AB should have objected to the armorer not providing a rubber weapon. But the need to practice a motion (drawing the gun and pointing it at the camera) and set up camera angles for it is part of filming a movie.

But the armorer's responsibility is much bigger here. The armorer should have 1) Not brought actual bullets on the set, and kept them mixed in with blanks, 2) Not allowed the gun out of her eye sight unless it was securely locked up (It seems that crew "borrowed" it for target practice, and 3) Checked the gun before giving it to the AD and watched the AD check it as well.

Those tasks are literally the armorer's entire job. On this set, there were 3 guns so the armorer's entire job was to keep those 3 items safe and secure.

You misunderstand. When I say fiddling with the gun, I’m not talking about rehearsal. I’m talking about the actor physically checking the gun.

Everywhere else in the country, the standard procedure would be whoever hands him the gun does so in a way the demonstrates the gun is unloaded which he then verifies visually before accepting the gun. It's ridiculous that Hollywood is held to such a low standard based on nothing other than their own rules.

That is the standard on set. What are you talking about?

So Alec Baldwin did not visually verify it was unloaded. Then it's on him as the final safety check

No. It’s not on him. I sure wish he had, but this will be on the armorer.

It's on him, the armorer and the assistant director. The armorer shouldn't have had a loaded gun, the assistant director should have actually checked it before announcing it was unloaded and Baldwin should have checked it himself before taking it form the director.

Exactly. It's already widely said the armorer, and AD will be liable. Unless they find someone tampered with the gun.

It’s possible it will be on someone else as well, but the armorer’s job is to watch the gun and check it immediately before handing it off. “I checked it before the lunch break”’doesn’t cut it.

[Anonymous]

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I'll also add. My immediate, gut instinct to this case was, someone hated Alec and set him up.

I was the first person to say that on this thread and was poo pooed.

DP. Look, he was dumb enough to take a gun, not check (verbally with the armorer or visually by checking his own darn self) if the gun was loaded, point it in the direction of a group of people and fire it. He is still ultimately responsible. And I admit that I think he is a complete jerk (yes, I know him). But he is even more dumb than I would have thought possible with this latest act. It is really sad that his hubris and his inability to follow even basic rules (do not point a gun at anyone and don't fire it if you aren't 100% sure it is empty) caused this young woman to die. He deserves to be brought up on criminal charges and he should pay for his actions. Other people as well, but he should be at the head of the 'you're going to jail' pack.

DP. He did check verbally with the AD who handed him the gun. And since there were never supposed to be live rounds on the set at any time, ever, he didn't think to ask the AD to double check by pulling the trigger himself.

These gun nuts who say that Baldwin is responsible seem so fearful of admitting that guns are dangerous. They're dangerous for the obvious reason, that people play around with them instead of being careful. Baldwin was careful and someone died because other people were playing around with the gun. Tbh, you sound like Hannah Gutierrez, who was saying that guns are safe and people shouldn't be afraid of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I'll also add. My immediate, gut instinct to this case was, someone hated Alec and set him up.

I was the first person to say that on this thread and was poo pooed.

DP. Look, he was dumb enough to take a gun, not check (verbally with the armorer or visually by checking his own darn self) if the gun was loaded, point it in the direction of a group of people and fire it. He is still ultimately responsible. And I admit that I think he is a complete jerk (yes, I know him). But he is even more dumb than I would have thought possible with this latest act. It is really sad that his hubris and his inability to follow even basic rules (do not point a gun at anyone and don't fire it if you aren't 100% sure it is empty) caused this young woman to die. He deserves to be brought up on criminal charges and he should pay for his actions. Other people as well, but he should be at the head of the 'you're going to jail' pack.

He did check in verbally. He was told explicitly that there were no bullets or blanks in the gun.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'll also add. My immediate, gut instinct to this case was, someone hated Alec and set him up.

I was the first person to say that on this thread and was poo pooed.

DP. Look, he was dumb enough to take a gun, not check (verbally with the armorer or visually by checking his own darn self) if the gun was loaded, point it in the direction of a group of people and fire it. He is still ultimately responsible. And I admit that I think he is a complete jerk (yes, I know him). But he is even more dumb than I would have thought possible with this latest act. It is really sad that his hubris and his inability to follow even basic rules (do not point a gun at anyone and don't fire it if you aren't 100% sure it is empty) caused this young woman to die. He deserves to be brought up on criminal charges and he should pay for his actions. Other people as well, but he should be at the head of the 'you're going to jail' pack.

He did check in verbally. He was told explicitly that there were no bullets or blanks in the gun.

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[Anonymous]

The only worse than a novice handling is a "gun expert" who's had no training, like Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and Dave Halls.

[Anonymous]

^handling a gun

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only worse than a novice handling is a "gun expert" who's had no training, like Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and Dave Halls.

Oh, no, "gun experts" are much more dangerous. To themselves and others.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
She very well may be telling the truth.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/krystieyandoli/rust-armorer-live-ammunition-gun-interview

Sounds like an issue of semantics. There was no live ammunition "on set" yet people were shooting bottles in the nearby dessert during breaks.

"Deny everything." It might work.

She sounds like an idiot. And a liar. And probably both.

And this is the second person she's killed in two years. Not a good look.

Not true. She did not KILL that guy on the motorcycle. she gave her boyfriend (who is not the person who died) her motorcycle keys, after he had been drinking.

He did not cause the fatal crash. She did not KILL the guy in that crash. Your statement is a GROSS exaggeration of the facts.

She sounds as reckless as AB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
She very well may be telling the truth.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/krystieyandoli/rust-armorer-live-ammunition-gun-interview

Sounds like an issue of semantics. There was no live ammunition "on set" yet people were shooting bottles in the nearby dessert during breaks.

"Deny everything." It might work.

She sounds like an idiot. And a liar. And probably both.

And this is the second person she's killed in two years. Not a good look.

Not true. She did not KILL that guy on the motorcycle. she gave her boyfriend (who is not the person who died) her motorcycle keys, after he had been drinking.

He did not cause the fatal crash. She did not KILL the guy in that crash. Your statement is a GROSS exaggeration of the facts.

She sounds as reckless as AB.

You sound unhinged. Or maybe you just lack thinking skills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'll also add. My immediate, gut instinct to this case was, someone hated Alec and set him up.

I was the first person to say that on this thread and was poo pooed.

DP. Look, he was dumb enough to take a gun, not check (verbally with the armorer or visually by checking his own darn self) if the gun was loaded, point it in the direction of a group of people and fire it. He is still ultimately responsible. And I admit that I think he is a complete jerk (yes, I know him). But he is even more dumb than I would have thought possible with this latest act. It is really sad that his hubris and his inability to follow even basic rules (do not point a gun at anyone and don't fire it if you aren't 100% sure it is empty) caused this young woman to die. He deserves to be brought up on criminal charges and he should pay for his actions. Other people as well, but he should be at the head of the 'you're going to jail' pack.

DP. He did check verbally with the AD who handed him the gun. And since there were never supposed to be live rounds on the set at any time, ever, he didn't think to ask the AD to double check by pulling the trigger himself.

These gun nuts who say that Baldwin is responsible seem so fearful of admitting that guns are dangerous. They're dangerous for the obvious reason, that people play around with them instead of being careful. Baldwin was careful and someone died because other people were playing around with the gun. Tbh, you sound like Hannah Gutierrez, who was saying that guns are safe and people shouldn't be afraid of them.

I have a lot of experience with guns and think Alec wasn't terribly responsible-- precisely because guns are dangerous. You can have experience with guns, and be a gun owner, and also believe in strong gun control and gun safety.

[Anonymous]

According to this article, the ammo was left unsecured. I will not be surprised if some psychopath mixed in live ammo.

https://apnews.com/article/prop-gun-shooting-entertainment-shootings-movies-santa-fe-4a8e63727b0824d7a402f731b6ec54ea

[Anonymous]

The only responsible people were those who walked off the set earlier in the day -- as a result of safety concerns.

Those who stayed on were apparently ok with things.