Jen Hatmaker

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This is so petty, but will someone please tell her friend Meg to maybe sit out one of their multiple girls' trips, and get her teeth fixed?

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Anonymous wrote:This is so petty, but will someone please tell her friend Meg to maybe sit out one of their multiple girls' trips, and get her teeth fixed?

Agree

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Anonymous wrote:We can snark on Jen without pretending like purity culture isn’t real or harmful.

We can acknowledge that different people had different lived experiences. Geez….

Espousing that being a young woman raised in evangelical purity culture was not harmful is internalized misogyny, not a different lived experience. While this conversation is interesting and important, it’s not the right vibe for this forum. I’m also pretty sure it’s not the right vibe for Jen. For so many reasons listed here, she’s not someone whose opinion I highly value. She’s sold out too many times in too many directions and the narrative around the men in her family is in conflict with the one she’s selling her followers.

Lol. There are literally women on this thread saying they lived through evangelical purity culture and were not harmed. As for internalized misogyny; I highly doubt these women also hate women. But buzzwords are cool, I guess?

Perhaps telling young girls that sex is just for fun, no big deal, and doesn’t require any commitment or real feelings from men, is harming women? Hard to “smash the patriarchy” when you’re giving men exactly what they want. (Look! A cool buzzword!)

I’ve clearly triggered you. No one has suggested that the only alternative to purity culture is the extreme you’ve laid out here. Why the hyperbole? Is it because reality threatens your world view? Women who say they were not harmed by purity culture either weren’t exposed to it or are actively perpetuating it. Again, not really fun fodder for a snark board.

Is Tyler going to make an appearance at Me Camp? Isn’t every day Me Camp for Tyler?

Claiming that someone who doesn't agree with you about purity culture is guilty of internalized misogyny is just a variation of the ad hominem fallacy in which you attack your opponent in an argument rather than legitimately engaging them.

And telling people their only options are either perpetuating something bad or acknowledging they weren't exposed to it, is presenting a false dilemma in which you attempt to control the conversation by dictating definitions and dismissing other's assessment of their own experience. Why should you get to do that?

I don’t know who you are, but I love you.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:This is so petty, but will someone please tell her friend Meg to maybe sit out one of their multiple girls' trips, and get her teeth fixed?

Agree

But if Meg wasn’t always on girls trips when would hubs be able to get down low?

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Anonymous wrote:We can snark on Jen without pretending like purity culture isn’t real or harmful.

We can acknowledge that different people had different lived experiences. Geez….

Espousing that being a young woman raised in evangelical purity culture was not harmful is internalized misogyny, not a different lived experience. While this conversation is interesting and important, it’s not the right vibe for this forum. I’m also pretty sure it’s not the right vibe for Jen. For so many reasons listed here, she’s not someone whose opinion I highly value. She’s sold out too many times in too many directions and the narrative around the men in her family is in conflict with the one she’s selling her followers.

Lol. There are literally women on this thread saying they lived through evangelical purity culture and were not harmed. As for internalized misogyny; I highly doubt these women also hate women. But buzzwords are cool, I guess?

Perhaps telling young girls that sex is just for fun, no big deal, and doesn’t require any commitment or real feelings from men, is harming women? Hard to “smash the patriarchy” when you’re giving men exactly what they want. (Look! A cool buzzword!)

I’ve clearly triggered you. No one has suggested that the only alternative to purity culture is the extreme you’ve laid out here. Why the hyperbole? Is it because reality threatens your world view? Women who say they were not harmed by purity culture either weren’t exposed to it or are actively perpetuating it. Again, not really fun fodder for a snark board.

Is Tyler going to make an appearance at Me Camp? Isn’t every day Me Camp for Tyler?

Claiming that someone who doesn't agree with you about purity culture is guilty of internalized misogyny is just a variation of the ad hominem fallacy in which you attack your opponent in an argument rather than legitimately engaging them.

And telling people their only options are either perpetuating something bad or acknowledging they weren't exposed to it, is presenting a false dilemma in which you attempt to control the conversation by dictating definitions and dismissing other's assessment of their own experience. Why should you get to do that?

I don’t know who you are, but I love you.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I'm just some guy who spent way too much time in a church full of Hatmaker women and got really worn out on progressive cliches. Glad to be of assistance though.

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Anonymous wrote:This is so petty, but will someone please tell her friend Meg to maybe sit out one of their multiple girls' trips, and get her teeth fixed?

Okay, I've zoomed in on two different pictures and what exactly is wrong with her teeth? I see that they're not all identical sizes, but neither are my teeth and my dentists have always praised my teeth up. Her teeth all seem to be in a row and none of them are sticking out or crossing over each other, and again, I had to really zoom in to even notice them. I'm not sure they need to be "fixed"?

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I think Meg needs to cap the two teeth adjacent to her front two teeth, which are tiny and brownish. Total cost- maybe 1500? Half the cost of a girls' trip.

But I digress. This thread just got very very interesting. The fact that we are now decades into post-sexual "revolution" culture, and are seeing the many downsides to it, means that we need to thoughtfully examine how to do things better. I am much less eloquent that the other posters, but I am here for some good talk about healthy relationships and maybe encouraging people to pursue monogamy and love their bodies this way.

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Anonymous wrote:I am here for some good talk about healthy relationships and maybe encouraging people to pursue monogamy and love their bodies this way.

I’m pretty sure this was actually Jen’s message pre-divorce. Wasn’t there even an entire chapter on this in one of her books? Maybe For the Love?

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Anonymous wrote:I am here for some good talk about healthy relationships and maybe encouraging people to pursue monogamy and love their bodies this way.

I’m pretty sure this was actually Jen’s message pre-divorce. Wasn’t there even an entire chapter on this in one of her books? Maybe For the Love?

For the love talked about “celibate gay”… do we think she’s asked for that to be edited? Only the straights can have sex?

[Anonymous]

You want to talk about “church abuse”, Jen?

Let’s talk about how ANC treated Dale Lear.

The lady doth protest too much.

Is there anything authentic about Jen? Is she just an authentic narcissist?

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She can use the Glennon D. playbook. She put her parents on pedestals until she was well into Middle Age and then eventually on the podcast tidbits came out-Nothing earth shattering, but if I recall correctly Glennon mentioned things like emphasis on watching food intake and being thin in the family, rigid rules-nothing major, but far different from the portrayal of perfection she used to give them

Sorry to digress, but what did Glennon divulge about her actually not perfect parents? I always got the impression that her parents were madly in love, but her dad came across as kind of a loud mouth. Maybe that's where Glennon and Amanda get that brashness? I'd bet that he made typical, old-school remarks about fat people that she internalized.
I feel so bad for the families of these mommy bloggers. They tell family stuff that horrifies me. Kristen Howerton talked about how her mom was a "yeller." These people will use everyone as cannon fodder. They "hint" at having racist family members. No one is off-limits and it's so mean girl.

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Espousing that being a young woman raised in evangelical purity culture was not harmful is internalized misogyny

Women's studies minor has entered the chat.

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Anonymous wrote:You want to talk about “church abuse”, Jen?

Let’s talk about how ANC treated Dale Lear.

Can you educate those of us not in the know?

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Anonymous wrote:If Jen writes a poison pen letter to the church we need to go public with the real story of why the Hatmakers left the church they served at before ANC. What really unfolded there.

What do you know?? We need the tea!

Lake Hills Church
Austin

I think “We need the tea” means tell us a story, not give us a place. I could probably google this but it would take a huge search to find an answer that people on here are obviously privy to.

[Anonymous]

Darlings and Beloveds,

Just checking in to remind you that MeCamp is really all about...well, me.

Tonight, I was pretending to read my book at the bar, which, as we all know, is really just code for "notice meeeee." Dear sweet, cute, adorable Kevin was attempting to enjoy his own meal and his own drink - nonalcoholic! - but he couldn't help respond to my beet red girl summer vibes. I guess I must have been putting off the "No one has acknowledged meeeee or my superpowernesssss in 15 minutes" so he decided to talk to me.

Some other stuff and blah blah blah - I'm super cool with the green stuff - wink wink wink - but you my beloved minions I mean darlings and beloveds - will just have to keep guessing about whether I went to smoke the ganja with good ole Kevin, who is clearly a - whispers - Republican - but tomorrow while we're golfing and burning a fatty, I'll tell him about my gay daughter and my handsome black kind of maybe boyfriend - and I'm confident he'll be on the path to deconstruction and all the things soon. All the things, beloveds.

Get yourself a real life Kevin, darlings. Love you Glennon. Thanks for having my back.