Looks like a new Gaza war has started

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Biden just said he has a deal with the Israelis to allow aid to flow into Gaza from Egypt.

What do the pro-Hamas people say now?

No one here is pro-Hamas.

Are you disappointed that some civilians won’t die? You seem a little agitated.

The Majority of Palestinians are not aligned with Hamas or governed by Hamas. They are in the West Bank. Being pro Palestine doesn’t mean being anti Israel or pro Hamas

Are you joking? Mad?

You must be either kidding or insane. The attacks here on Israel are clearly pro Hamas.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting:
Israel wants to depopulate Gaza, drive everyone out. If that is not true, then let them take refuge in one of Israel’s deserts



What is happening now in Gaza is an attempt to force civilian residents to take refuge and migrate to Egypt, which should not be accepted," Abdul Fattah al-Sisi said.

He warned that were this to happen, the Egyptian people could "go out and protest in their millions".

Cairo has already warned that if Palestinians left their land, it could "liquidate" Palestinian hopes of statehood.

But it would also be very dangerous for the Egyptian government if it was seen as complicit in any such deal – igniting public anger in the Arab world.

Any influx of people would also deepen Egypt’s current economic crisis and raise security fears in its restive Sinai region.

Sisi suggested that as Gaza is in effect under Israeli control, Palestinians could instead be moved to Israel’s Negev desert during its offensive against Hamas "till the militants are dealt with"

You seriously think Israel should open the Negev up to Gazans?!

Do you realize what would happen if they did that?

Tell me please
What will happen if they leave everyone to suffer and die where they are

I can’t believe I have to spell this out.

Hamas fighters will leave in the crowd and begin their attacks again, just like on October 7th.

So they will loose their human shields and you will be able to track down every single one

Yes because Hamas fighters walk around with a sign around their neck saying “Hamas.”

Al Qaeda doesn’t either but we didn’t ban Muslims after 9/11. At least let Gazan women and children into Israel. This is how you create less Hamas for the next generation by treating the youth who you claim are victims of Hamas as human beings . Not traumatizing them with 1,000 lb. bombs exploding their loved ones brains and guts out into a million pieces into hating Israel indefinitely.

What has creating a wall done for Israelis? Hamas was still able to breach.

Pulling up walls and killing is not the solution. Imagine if we as Americans did that to every American Muslim after 9/11.

Bombing their homes to smithereens because they share the same faith as radical killers.

We would be facing a 9/11 every year and be less safe if we did that.

But maybe we are just a more gracious and kinder nation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can’t fight a guérilla war with normal tactic and expect to win. There are going to be civilian casualties. That’s part of why war is awful. The whole idea that there are « rules » for war is so naive. War is war. The only thing that matters is who wins. In this case it is my best interest for Israel to win. If I have to choose between Israeli civilians or Palestinian civilians, I’m choosing the Israelis because they are the people least likely to want to kill me and destroy what America is and stands for. Easy choice.

Bingo. I've read several pages and I have no idea what people are talking about. Have they never taken an international relations class? There are no such thing as international laws, standards, etc when it comes to war. We can argue whether there should be and what those should look like, but no one else cares.

I have a degree in international relations and one of the very first things I learned was that there are laws of war, and in particular laws governing the treatment of civilians in wartime. See the Geneva Conventions of 1949. Civilized states are expected to comport with the Geneva Conventions. This is the legal basis on which we condemn rogue state actors, like Russia, for its treatment of civilians in Ukraine (see Bucha, Mariupol, etc.). If you don't know about this and are asking if others have taken an IR class, you have zero credibility.

Ask our allies about Yemeni civilians about laws of war and US allies. We condemn countries that we view as competitors and look away when allies kill civilians. International laws and war crimes are for African stats without international clout (just look at the ICC docket). Powerful countries or countries with powerful allies are free to disregard

Of course the U.S. has violated the laws of war. I don’t think it’s any better when we do it. I think we should stop doing it ourselves and decline to provide a public show of support and a blank check to countries (currently, Israel) who do it.

Do you want to play by the « rules »
Or do you want to win? That’s the only question that matters.

Winning is not justifiable if the price is millions of civilians in collateral damage. That’s why we have a nuclear taboo. So if the price of eradicating Hamas is the civilians in Gaza, then Israel needs to pursue a more limited goal.

Like what? And how should they pursue it?

I’m not a military planner. But let’s be honest, Hamas committed a brutal terrorist attack and spews vile and hateful rhetoric but it’s not an existential threat to the state of Israel (just as Al Qaeda wasn’t an existential threat to the U.S.). The goal should be taking out their leadership, hobbling their ability to commit future attacks, improving their own counterterrorism capabilities, and cutting off funding sources. Not raining death and destruction on innocent civilians.

So tell us... what should Israel do to accomplish this? And Hamas is an existential threat because it is essentially acting for Iran.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting:
Israel wants to depopulate Gaza, drive everyone out. If that is not true, then let them take refuge in one of Israel’s deserts



What is happening now in Gaza is an attempt to force civilian residents to take refuge and migrate to Egypt, which should not be accepted," Abdul Fattah al-Sisi said.

He warned that were this to happen, the Egyptian people could "go out and protest in their millions".

Cairo has already warned that if Palestinians left their land, it could "liquidate" Palestinian hopes of statehood.

But it would also be very dangerous for the Egyptian government if it was seen as complicit in any such deal – igniting public anger in the Arab world.

Any influx of people would also deepen Egypt’s current economic crisis and raise security fears in its restive Sinai region.

Sisi suggested that as Gaza is in effect under Israeli control, Palestinians could instead be moved to Israel’s Negev desert during its offensive against Hamas "till the militants are dealt with"

You seriously think Israel should open the Negev up to Gazans?!

Do you realize what would happen if they did that?

Tell me please
What will happen if they leave everyone to suffer and die where they are

I can’t believe I have to spell this out.

Hamas fighters will leave in the crowd and begin their attacks again, just like on October 7th.

So they will loose their human shields and you will be able to track down every single one

Yes because Hamas fighters walk around with a sign around their neck saying “Hamas.”

Al Qaeda doesn’t either but we didn’t ban Muslims after 9/11. At least let Gazan women and children into Israel. This is how you create less Hamas for the next generation by treating the youth who you claim are victims of Hamas as human beings . Not traumatizing them with 1,000 lb. bombs exploding their loved ones brains and guts out into a million pieces into hating Israel indefinitely.

What has creating a wall done for Israelis? Hamas was still able to breach.

Pulling up walls and killing is not the solution. Imagine if we as Americans did that to every American Muslim after 9/11.

Bombing their homes to smithereens because they share the same faith as radical killers.

We would be facing a 9/11 every year and be less safe if we did that.

But maybe we are just a more gracious
and kinder nation.

A gracious and kind nation in our war in Afghanistan?! Are you kidding me?!

You’re so ignorant.

You also act as though there are zero children who fight for Hamas. You also act as though Hamas fighters would magically find zero way to convince women to take on the fight in the Negev.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From the Guardian. Israel/USA will sponsor an ethnic cleansing campaign in the Gaza Gheto.

Israel’s foreign minister, Eli Cohen, hinted that Israel may annex part of Gaza in a radio interview on Wednesday.

Cohen was reported by the Times of Israel as saying:

At the end of this war, not only will Hamas no longer be in Gaza, but the territory of Gaza will also decrease.

As I’ve predicted, Egypt is already signaling they will get involved if Israel annexes Gaza .

This is really bad

Does that mean Israel will end up with the Sinai again? Is Israel supposed to be intimidated by Egypt? They've tried twice and neither time ended very well for them.

Times have changed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Biden just said he has a deal with the Israelis to allow aid to flow into Gaza from Egypt.

What do the pro-Hamas people say now?

No one here is pro-Hamas.

Are you disappointed that some civilians won’t die? You seem a little agitated.

The Majority of Palestinians are not aligned with Hamas or governed by Hamas. They are in the West Bank. Being pro Palestine doesn’t mean being anti Israel or pro Hamas

Are you joking? Mad?

You must be either kidding or insane. The attacks here on Israel are clearly pro Hamas.

You mean the guy who stabbed the little boy and mother?

[Anonymous]

There is only one government of the Palestinian people, and Mahmoud Abbas is their leader.

Hamas is nothing; lower than dogs; mere vile parasites. Like ISIS, they must be eradicated and stomped out.

Hamas is not the government of anything whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

And we aren’t talking about Israel fighting every Palestinian. There are 2 million Palestinians in Israel proper.

We’re talking about not letting in thousands of Gazans from the very place Hamas fights from.

So your analogy about American Muslims is so wrong.

Did the US let in all Afghan women and children? No. So maybe we’re not so gracious and kind after all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is only one government of the Palestinian people, and Mahmoud Abbas is their leader.

Hamas is nothing; lower than dogs; mere vile parasites. Like ISIS, they must be eradicated and stomped out.

Hamas is not the government of anything whatsoever.

They won their election.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the Guardian. Israel/USA will sponsor an ethnic cleansing campaign in the Gaza Gheto.

Israel’s foreign minister, Eli Cohen, hinted that Israel may annex part of Gaza in a radio interview on Wednesday.

Cohen was reported by the Times of Israel as saying:

At the end of this war, not only will Hamas no longer be in Gaza, but the territory of Gaza will also decrease.

As I’ve predicted, Egypt is already signaling they will get involved if Israel annexes Gaza .

This is really bad

Does that mean Israel will end up with the Sinai again? Is Israel supposed to be intimidated by Egypt? They've tried twice and neither time ended very well for them.

Times have changed.

Exactly. In the 1970s, Egypt and Israel were peer states. Now the IAF has F35s and the Egyptians still have planes from the 70s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting:
Israel wants to depopulate Gaza, drive everyone out. If that is not true, then let them take refuge in one of Israel’s deserts



What is happening now in Gaza is an attempt to force civilian residents to take refuge and migrate to Egypt, which should not be accepted," Abdul Fattah al-Sisi said.

He warned that were this to happen, the Egyptian people could "go out and protest in their millions".

Cairo has already warned that if Palestinians left their land, it could "liquidate" Palestinian hopes of statehood.

But it would also be very dangerous for the Egyptian government if it was seen as complicit in any such deal – igniting public anger in the Arab world.

Any influx of people would also deepen Egypt’s current economic crisis and raise security fears in its restive Sinai region.

Sisi suggested that as Gaza is in effect under Israeli control, Palestinians could instead be moved to Israel’s Negev desert during its offensive against Hamas "till the militants are dealt with"

You seriously think Israel should open the Negev up to Gazans?!

Do you realize what would happen if they did that?

Tell me please
What will happen if they leave everyone to suffer and die where they are

I can’t believe I have to spell this out.

Hamas fighters will leave in the crowd and begin their attacks again, just like on October 7th.

So they will loose their human shields and you will be able to track down every single one

Yes because Hamas fighters walk around with a sign around their neck saying “Hamas.”

Al Qaeda doesn’t either but we didn’t ban Muslims after 9/11. At least let Gazan women and children into Israel. This is how you create less Hamas for the next generation by treating the youth who you claim are victims of Hamas as human beings . Not traumatizing them with 1,000 lb. bombs exploding their loved ones brains and guts out into a million pieces into hating Israel indefinitely.

What has creating a wall done for Israelis? Hamas was still able to breach.

Pulling up walls and killing is not the solution. Imagine if we as Americans did that to every American Muslim after 9/11.

Bombing their homes to smithereens because they share the same faith as radical killers.

We would be facing a 9/11 every year and be less safe if we did that.

But maybe we are just a more gracious
and kinder nation.

A gracious and kind nation in our war in Afghanistan?! Are you kidding me?!

You’re so ignorant.

You also act as though there are zero children who fight for Hamas. You also act as though Hamas fighters would magically find zero way to convince women to take on the fight in the Negev.

I specified American Muslims.

If Israel is afraid of 7 year old Palestinian children, then they shouldn’t even be in the region at all.

Children under 12 if they are given proper humanitarian assistance in Israel you will find those women and kids wouldn’t even want to go back to Gaza. They will love it in Israel. They will be surprised to find out there are many Arabic speakers there and Muslims within Israel. Within a few years, those kids would start speaking Hebrew.

Maybe I am naive but youth integration often works to resettle new people and cultures.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What I am hearing from other news sources is that investigating a bombing takes time
Too soon to say conclusively what happened with the hospital bombing

What we know for sure though is that all the Israeli propaganda on the matter has been debunked.

American officials say they have multiple strands of intelligence — including infrared satellite data — indicating that the deadly blast at a Gaza hospital on Tuesday was caused by an armed Palestinian group.

The intelligence includes satellite and other infrared data showing a launch of a rocket or missile from Palestinian fighter positions within Gaza. American intelligence agencies have also analyzed open-source video of the launch showing that it did not come from the direction of Israeli military positions, the officials said. Israeli officials have also provided the United States with intercepts of Hamas officials saying the strike came from forces aligned with Palestinian militant groups.

“While we continue to collect information, our current assessment, based on analysis of overhead imagery, intercepts and open-source information, is that Israel is not responsible for the explosion at the hospital in Gaza yesterday,” said Adrienne Watson, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council.

Other U.S. officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive information, cautioned that the analysis was preliminary and that they were continuing to collect and analyze evidence. Multiple officials said the evidence gathered so far refutes claims that Israeli forces were responsible for the blast and was strong enough for President Biden to make comments supporting Israel’s account of events.

So there was a Satellite in outer space pointing to the exact location (the graveyard right next to the hospital right?) of the thousand of Palestinian fighter groups and it captured the launch of a rocket and it's failure. Do you people even know how satellites work? This is more comical than the studio recording.

Yes, there are satellites covering sensitive areas all over the world. What do you think the defense budget goes to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting:
Israel wants to depopulate Gaza, drive everyone out. If that is not true, then let them take refuge in one of Israel’s deserts



What is happening now in Gaza is an attempt to force civilian residents to take refuge and migrate to Egypt, which should not be accepted," Abdul Fattah al-Sisi said.

He warned that were this to happen, the Egyptian people could "go out and protest in their millions".

Cairo has already warned that if Palestinians left their land, it could "liquidate" Palestinian hopes of statehood.

But it would also be very dangerous for the Egyptian government if it was seen as complicit in any such deal – igniting public anger in the Arab world.

Any influx of people would also deepen Egypt’s current economic crisis and raise security fears in its restive Sinai region.

Sisi suggested that as Gaza is in effect under Israeli control, Palestinians could instead be moved to Israel’s Negev desert during its offensive against Hamas "till the militants are dealt with"

You seriously think Israel should open the Negev up to Gazans?!

Do you realize what would happen if they did that?

Tell me please
What will happen if they leave everyone to suffer and die where they are

I can’t believe I have to spell this out.

Hamas fighters will leave in the crowd and begin their attacks again, just like on October 7th.

So they will loose their human shields and you will be able to track down every single one

Yes because Hamas fighters walk around with a sign around their neck saying “Hamas.”

Al Qaeda doesn’t either but we didn’t ban Muslims after 9/11. At least let Gazan women and children into Israel. This is how you create less Hamas for the next generation by treating the youth who you claim are victims of Hamas as human beings . Not traumatizing them with 1,000 lb. bombs exploding their loved ones brains and guts out into a million pieces into hating Israel indefinitely.

What has creating a wall done for Israelis? Hamas was still able to breach.

Pulling up walls and killing is not the solution. Imagine if we as Americans did that to every American Muslim after 9/11.

Bombing their homes to smithereens because they share the same faith as radical killers.

We would be facing a 9/11 every year and be less safe if we did that.

But maybe we are just a more gracious
and kinder nation.

A gracious and kind nation in our war in Afghanistan?! Are you kidding me?!

You’re so ignorant.

You also act as though there are zero children who fight for Hamas. You also act as though Hamas fighters would magically find zero way to convince women to take on the fight in the Negev.

I specified American Muslims.

If Israel is afraid of 7 year old Palestinian children, then they shouldn’t even be in the region at all.

Children under 12 if they are given proper humanitarian assistance in Israel you will find those women and kids wouldn’t even want to go back to Gaza. They will love it in Israel. They will be surprised to find out there are many Arabic speakers there and Muslims within Israel. Within a few years, those kids would start speaking Hebrew.

Maybe I am naive but youth integration often works to resettle new people and cultures.

American Muslims? The US wasn’t fighting American Muslims. Your Afghanistan analogy is asinine.

So your solution is for Israel to break up families and clearly message to Gazans that they consider all people 12+ to be potential terrorists and so they can’t go to Israel.

And you think this will work in support of peace?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I am hearing from other news sources is that investigating a bombing takes time
Too soon to say conclusively what happened with the hospital bombing

What we know for sure though is that all the Israeli propaganda on the matter has been debunked.

American officials say they have multiple strands of intelligence — including infrared satellite data — indicating that the deadly blast at a Gaza hospital on Tuesday was caused by an armed Palestinian group.

The intelligence includes satellite and other infrared data showing a launch of a rocket or missile from Palestinian fighter positions within Gaza. American intelligence agencies have also analyzed open-source video of the launch showing that it did not come from the direction of Israeli military positions, the officials said. Israeli officials have also provided the United States with intercepts of Hamas officials saying the strike came from forces aligned with Palestinian militant groups.

“While we continue to collect information, our current assessment, based on analysis of overhead imagery, intercepts and open-source information, is that Israel is not responsible for the explosion at the hospital in Gaza yesterday,” said Adrienne Watson, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council.

Other U.S. officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive information, cautioned that the analysis was preliminary and that they were continuing to collect and analyze evidence. Multiple officials said the evidence gathered so far refutes claims that Israeli forces were responsible for the blast and was strong enough for President Biden to make comments supporting Israel’s account of events.

So there was a Satellite in outer space pointing to the exact location (the graveyard right next to the hospital right?) of the thousand of Palestinian fighter groups and it captured the launch of a rocket and it's failure. Do you people even know how satellites work? This is more comical than the studio recording.

Yes, there are satellites covering sensitive areas all over the world. What do you think the defense budget goes to?

Seriously. PP doesn’t even know what the NRO does. LOL.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is only one government of the Palestinian people, and Mahmoud Abbas is their leader.

Hamas is nothing; lower than dogs; mere vile parasites. Like ISIS, they must be eradicated and stomped out.

Hamas is not the government of anything whatsoever.

They won their election.

In 2006 when the overwhelming majority of its residents were not even born.