Palisades Fire - Los Angeles

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Yall need to read this. These homes have no business being in Malibu and they do not need our sympathy.

https://longreads.com/2018/12/04/the-case-for-letting-malibu-burn/


When most of us build or buy a home, we carefully appraise the neighborhood. In Malibu the neighborhood is fire. Fire that revisits the coastal mountains several times a decade. In the past sixty years, ten of these frequent events have turned into all-consuming firestorms. The latest conflagration, the Woolsey Fire, has incinerated 1,500 homes and killed at least three people. It started in dry grasslands just south of Simi Valley, the site of the notorious trial of Rodney King’s assailants, then crossed a freeway to ignite dense coastal sage vegetation on the northern flank of the Santa Monica Mountains. The range’s deep canyons, perfectly aligned with the seasonal Santa Ana Winds, once again as bellows, accelerating the fire’s rush to the coast where it burned beach homes. The large number of residences lost attests not only to the ferocity of the conflagration but also to the amount of new construction since the 1993 firestorm.

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Anonymous wrote:Yall need to read this. These homes have no business being in Malibu and they do not need our sympathy.

https://longreads.com/2018/12/04/the-case-for-letting-malibu-burn/


When most of us build or buy a home, we carefully appraise the neighborhood. In Malibu the neighborhood is fire. Fire that revisits the coastal mountains several times a decade. In the past sixty years, ten of these frequent events have turned into all-consuming firestorms. The latest conflagration, the Woolsey Fire, has incinerated 1,500 homes and killed at least three people. It started in dry grasslands just south of Simi Valley, the site of the notorious trial of Rodney King’s assailants, then crossed a freeway to ignite dense coastal sage vegetation on the northern flank of the Santa Monica Mountains. The range’s deep canyons, perfectly aligned with the seasonal Santa Ana Winds, once again as bellows, accelerating the fire’s rush to the coast where it burned beach homes. The large number of residences lost attests not only to the ferocity of the conflagration but also to the amount of new construction since the 1993 firestorm.

But the land is so cheap!

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Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that Pacific Palisades, Hollywood Hills, and Malibu are not at all normal neighborhoods in need of policy solutions that would address 99.9% of the rest of the country. These are ultra luxury houses owned by people who can either cover the cost of replacement without much trouble or people who have lived there long enough to be locked into extremely low public tax rates and affordable home insurance. They could have used their savings from taxes over the years to buy additional insurance or put that money into accounts for savings or to cover unexpected costs like these.

California's governors and mayors should also have been planning for emergencies and the priority of needed public safety measures. The results of poor leadership and planning are on display.

Actually California is top in the nation for emergency preparedness due to the climate changing and geography. There are fights between developers and the state about building on coastal bluffs that fall into the ocean. There are fights between people who own houses teetering on coastal bluffs that want to stay.

Climate change sucks. A lot more of the US and world is going to be destroyed.

The Santa Anna winds have been around since the beginning of time. Dirty politicians have not, that's where the blame lies.

It hasn't rained in LA in 8 months. That is not normal

So the potential for catastrophic fires should have been noted by leaders in govt.

Do you think the state of California should be watering forests and scrubland? The potential was noted and there were warnings

The way this is dealt with is controlled burns. Florida does this and has avoided major fires.

OMG the level of stupid is insane. Florida is humid and wet, CA and the western states are arid and dry. In Southern CA there are no forests to do prescribed burns.

Someone has CLEARLY never been to southwest Florida in the winter dry season. It’s nearly as dry as Southern California by March, before the rains come again.

But there is a rainy season when there can be controlled burns. In CA there may not be any rainy weeks, let alone rainy seasons.

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Anonymous wrote:Should we conclude that the supposedly fireproof safes do t actually survive major fires? I am not seeing any safes in the many photos and videos of charred remains .., is it better
to keep important papers such as birth certificates/ marriage certicates/ passports/ educational diplomas etc.) in bags ready to take quickly if needed or to leave in safes?

What terrible decisions to have to make in a hurry.

Of course you should take it with you if you’re home. The fireproof safe comes in handy in case of disaster when you’re NOT home or don’t have time to grab it.

Have it prepacked in a bag in your safe. Empty the safe if you are home and have time to evacuate. If you’re not home, then pray the safe does its job,

Fireproof safes can only remain fireproof for a fixed amount of time. The top rated commercial fireproof safes are typically only rated to withstand about one hour of fire at the temperatures of a house fire. Many safes are only rated for 30 minutes. This is enough for most house fires, which firefighters can get to and deal with fairly quickly. But in these wildfires, your safe can be exposed to hotter temps for longer and be destroyed.

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Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that Pacific Palisades, Hollywood Hills, and Malibu are not at all normal neighborhoods in need of policy solutions that would address 99.9% of the rest of the country. These are ultra luxury houses owned by people who can either cover the cost of replacement without much trouble or people who have lived there long enough to be locked into extremely low public tax rates and affordable home insurance. They could have used their savings from taxes over the years to buy additional insurance or put that money into accounts for savings or to cover unexpected costs like these.

California's governors and mayors should also have been planning for emergencies and the priority of needed public safety measures. The results of poor leadership and planning are on display.

Actually California is top in the nation for emergency preparedness due to the climate changing and geography. There are fights between developers and the state about building on coastal bluffs that fall into the ocean. There are fights between people who own houses teetering on coastal bluffs that want to stay.

Climate change sucks. A lot more of the US and world is going to be destroyed.

The Santa Anna winds have been around since the beginning of time. Dirty politicians have not, that's where the blame lies.

It hasn't rained in LA in 8 months. That is not normal

So the potential for catastrophic fires should have been noted by leaders in govt.

Do you think the state of California should be watering forests and scrubland? The potential was noted and there were warnings

The way this is dealt with is controlled burns. Florida does this and has avoided major fires.

OMG the level of stupid is insane. Florida is humid and wet, CA and the western states are arid and dry. In Southern CA there are no forests to do prescribed burns.

Someone has CLEARLY never been to southwest Florida in the winter dry season. It’s nearly as dry as Southern California by March, before the rains come again.

But there is a rainy season when there can be controlled burns. In CA there may not be any rainy weeks, let alone rainy seasons.

2023 and 2024 were historically wet in SoCal.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw on the LA channel that Mayor Bass fired the chief of LAFD because she was honest about the budget cuts and this fire.

Bass's actions need to be reviewed very closely. Newsom is requesting more info, too.

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Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that Pacific Palisades, Hollywood Hills, and Malibu are not at all normal neighborhoods in need of policy solutions that would address 99.9% of the rest of the country. These are ultra luxury houses owned by people who can either cover the cost of replacement without much trouble or people who have lived there long enough to be locked into extremely low public tax rates and affordable home insurance. They could have used their savings from taxes over the years to buy additional insurance or put that money into accounts for savings or to cover unexpected costs like these.

California's governors and mayors should also have been planning for emergencies and the priority of needed public safety measures. The results of poor leadership and planning are on display.

Actually California is top in the nation for emergency preparedness due to the climate changing and geography. There are fights between developers and the state about building on coastal bluffs that fall into the ocean. There are fights between people who own houses teetering on coastal bluffs that want to stay.

Climate change sucks. A lot more of the US and world is going to be destroyed.

The Santa Anna winds have been around since the beginning of time. Dirty politicians have not, that's where the blame lies.

It hasn't rained in LA in 8 months. That is not normal

So the potential for catastrophic fires should have been noted by leaders in govt.

Do you think the state of California should be watering forests and scrubland? The potential was noted and there were warnings

The way this is dealt with is controlled burns. Florida does this and has avoided major fires.

OMG the level of stupid is insane. Florida is humid and wet, CA and the western states are arid and dry. In Southern CA there are no forests to do prescribed burns.

Well, then. Some of you keep saying nothing can be done, and that the rest of us are stupid? Keep living there. That sounds smart.

Not the PP but that indeed sounds smarter than you are.

Although it may take awhile, heads are going to roll; and you're going to find out who is actually smart.

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Anonymous wrote:Yall need to read this. These homes have no business being in Malibu and they do not need our sympathy.

https://longreads.com/2018/12/04/the-case-for-letting-malibu-burn/


When most of us build or buy a home, we carefully appraise the neighborhood. In Malibu the neighborhood is fire. Fire that revisits the coastal mountains several times a decade. In the past sixty years, ten of these frequent events have turned into all-consuming firestorms. The latest conflagration, the Woolsey Fire, has incinerated 1,500 homes and killed at least three people. It started in dry grasslands just south of Simi Valley, the site of the notorious trial of Rodney King’s assailants, then crossed a freeway to ignite dense coastal sage vegetation on the northern flank of the Santa Monica Mountains. The range’s deep canyons, perfectly aligned with the seasonal Santa Ana Winds, once again as bellows, accelerating the fire’s rush to the coast where it burned beach homes. The large number of residences lost attests not only to the ferocity of the conflagration but also to the amount of new construction since the 1993 firestorm.

You’ll forgive me if I am not immediately ready to embrace Mike Davis as truth teller in view of his extremely messy personal life, history of suspiciously self-beneficial political action, and self-description as a “critical geography Marxist.”

Doesn’t anybody on DCUM exercise even the slightest critical thought any more? Or do you just believe any random link that gets thrown up here?

Consider sources, PP. Consider sources. I’m willing to bet you’d never even heard of Mike Davis before you shared that link.

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Anonymous wrote:Yall need to read this. These homes have no business being in Malibu and they do not need our sympathy.

https://longreads.com/2018/12/04/the-case-for-letting-malibu-burn/


When most of us build or buy a home, we carefully appraise the neighborhood. In Malibu the neighborhood is fire. Fire that revisits the coastal mountains several times a decade. In the past sixty years, ten of these frequent events have turned into all-consuming firestorms. The latest conflagration, the Woolsey Fire, has incinerated 1,500 homes and killed at least three people. It started in dry grasslands just south of Simi Valley, the site of the notorious trial of Rodney King’s assailants, then crossed a freeway to ignite dense coastal sage vegetation on the northern flank of the Santa Monica Mountains. The range’s deep canyons, perfectly aligned with the seasonal Santa Ana Winds, once again as bellows, accelerating the fire’s rush to the coast where it burned beach homes. The large number of residences lost attests not only to the ferocity of the conflagration but also to the amount of new construction since the 1993 firestorm.

You’ll forgive me if I am not immediately ready to embrace Mike Davis as truth teller in view of his extremely messy personal life, history of suspiciously self-beneficial political action, and self-description as a “critical geography Marxist.”

Doesn’t anybody on DCUM exercise even the slightest critical thought any more? Or do you just believe any random link that gets thrown up here?

Consider sources, PP. Consider sources. I’m willing to bet you’d never even heard of Mike Davis before you shared that link.

DCUM seems to be overrun with science deniers and people unwilling to use critical thinking. They just peck away relentlessly with misinformation and insults. People that care about facts eventually give up because it’s exhausting.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw on the LA channel that Mayor Bass fired the chief of LAFD because she was honest about the budget cuts and this fire.

Bass's actions need to be reviewed very closely. Newsom is requesting more info, too.

A self centered clueless egotistical person voted in office by people that think their feelings = reality. This is what happens when infant minds are given power.

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Anonymous wrote:Yall need to read this. These homes have no business being in Malibu and they do not need our sympathy.

https://longreads.com/2018/12/04/the-case-for-letting-malibu-burn/


When most of us build or buy a home, we carefully appraise the neighborhood. In Malibu the neighborhood is fire. Fire that revisits the coastal mountains several times a decade. In the past sixty years, ten of these frequent events have turned into all-consuming firestorms. The latest conflagration, the Woolsey Fire, has incinerated 1,500 homes and killed at least three people. It started in dry grasslands just south of Simi Valley, the site of the notorious trial of Rodney King’s assailants, then crossed a freeway to ignite dense coastal sage vegetation on the northern flank of the Santa Monica Mountains. The range’s deep canyons, perfectly aligned with the seasonal Santa Ana Winds, once again as bellows, accelerating the fire’s rush to the coast where it burned beach homes. The large number of residences lost attests not only to the ferocity of the conflagration but also to the amount of new construction since the 1993 firestorm.

You’ll forgive me if I am not immediately ready to embrace Mike Davis as truth teller in view of his extremely messy personal life, history of suspiciously self-beneficial political action, and self-description as a “critical geography Marxist.”

Doesn’t anybody on DCUM exercise even the slightest critical thought any more? Or do you just believe any random link that gets thrown up here?

Consider sources, PP. Consider sources. I’m willing to bet you’d never even heard of Mike Davis before you shared that link.

DCUM seems to be overrun with science deniers and people unwilling to use critical thinking. They just peck away relentlessly with misinformation and insults. People that care about facts eventually give up because it’s exhausting.

I mean, yes? That still doesn’t magically turn Mike Davis into a credible source.

[Anonymous]

Remarkably, something I can agree wholeheartedly with JD Vance on.

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Anonymous wrote:Yall need to read this. These homes have no business being in Malibu and they do not need our sympathy.

https://longreads.com/2018/12/04/the-case-for-letting-malibu-burn/


When most of us build or buy a home, we carefully appraise the neighborhood. In Malibu the neighborhood is fire. Fire that revisits the coastal mountains several times a decade. In the past sixty years, ten of these frequent events have turned into all-consuming firestorms. The latest conflagration, the Woolsey Fire, has incinerated 1,500 homes and killed at least three people. It started in dry grasslands just south of Simi Valley, the site of the notorious trial of Rodney King’s assailants, then crossed a freeway to ignite dense coastal sage vegetation on the northern flank of the Santa Monica Mountains. The range’s deep canyons, perfectly aligned with the seasonal Santa Ana Winds, once again as bellows, accelerating the fire’s rush to the coast where it burned beach homes. The large number of residences lost attests not only to the ferocity of the conflagration but also to the amount of new construction since the 1993 firestorm.

You’ll forgive me if I am not immediately ready to embrace Mike Davis as truth teller in view of his extremely messy personal life, history of suspiciously self-beneficial political action, and self-description as a “critical geography Marxist.”

Doesn’t anybody on DCUM exercise even the slightest critical thought any more? Or do you just believe any random link that gets thrown up here?

Consider sources, PP. Consider sources. I’m willing to bet you’d never even heard of Mike Davis before you shared that link.

DCUM seems to be overrun with science deniers and people unwilling to use critical thinking. They just peck away relentlessly with misinformation and insults. People that care about facts eventually give up because it’s exhausting.

I mean, yes? That still doesn’t magically turn Mike Davis into a credible source.

Oh Oracle of DCUM tell me what in this piece is untrue? Not liking him doesn’t make the data false.

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Anonymous wrote:LA is a nightmare, just suburbia stretched out.
Many areas have only a few good highways to get into and out of. Despite this they are popular areas to live in. Evacuation orders cause huge traffic jams.
There is no metro.
This is in someway an opportunity for city planners to rethink and create a better more functional city.
Don’t ask me about the school system, their education is a nightmare too.
One would think that the richest state in the richest country could do better.
Currently they are tackling homelessness by pretending it doesn’t exist even though that has not helped at all

California is the wealthiest state, kind of. They have 500 BILLION of debt. That is the highest debt to income ratio of any state - 106%!
NY is the next most in debt state but no where close to California.

CA swings wildly based on IPOs. For years CA has had billions in surplus. Interest rates going up and the banking issue in SV put a damper on the IPOs. Between reserves , being able to adjust the budget and new start ups recovering it’s fine. CA often ends higher than projected.

CA public education is excellent in some areas and crappy in others, like everywhere else. The public school in some areas of LA , not LA unified and the Bay Area , not San Jose Unified are better than your top public schools in the DMV. The UC system is the best in the nation. Berkeley, UCLA, San Diego, Santa Barbara, Irvine and Davis are light years better than other state flagships. Heck, the top Cal State schools are better than most state flagships.

The schools that are good are good because of the types of students that go there, not what the administration is doing or what they're investing in students. You'll get large class sizes and not-great per pupil spending but a good student population especially since some parts of CA don't have as much of a private school culture.

The curriculum was far, far better than MCPS. The buildings and grounds were so much better too. The class sizes were not larger than MCPS. There was more parent and foundation funding for things which you couldn’t do in MCPS. The UC system attract top faculty that get top research grants. The state is large enough and the state options compelling enough that you don’t siphon off the best students to private universities out of state.

A lot of the schools are trailers and look like shanty towns. The facilities are terrible with little security in LA.

I’m not the PP but I don’t think you have any personal experience with LA schools.

That having been said in years of reading DCUM I have found that the gaping emotional need of some DCUM posters to believe California schools are universally bad is weirdly large. I don’t get it but whatever.

I attended CA public schools; did you?

Stop trying to gaslight people about California’s public school system.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/california-math-framework-algebra/675509/

Yes, my entire life through university. And you are one of those who has a desperate emotional need to trash California schools. It’s a quirk of DCUM.

So what is your most recent experience with public schools and why do you think you know better with your dated experience?

DP but my youngest is still in high school, oldest is at a UC. It has been far better here than MCPS.

Ok but realize people from other parts of the US are comparing the school to other public school districts. It's inferior to many.

NP. My kids are in a CA public school. It’s excellent. The same or better than the top public schools in VA-MD. But, there are enough crappy schools in the state (especially LAUSD) to give the state a bad reputation. There’s a huge variance in people’s experience, but do know that the best public schools in California are truly excellent.

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Anonymous wrote:Yall need to read this. These homes have no business being in Malibu and they do not need our sympathy.

https://longreads.com/2018/12/04/the-case-for-letting-malibu-burn/


When most of us build or buy a home, we carefully appraise the neighborhood. In Malibu the neighborhood is fire. Fire that revisits the coastal mountains several times a decade. In the past sixty years, ten of these frequent events have turned into all-consuming firestorms. The latest conflagration, the Woolsey Fire, has incinerated 1,500 homes and killed at least three people. It started in dry grasslands just south of Simi Valley, the site of the notorious trial of Rodney King’s assailants, then crossed a freeway to ignite dense coastal sage vegetation on the northern flank of the Santa Monica Mountains. The range’s deep canyons, perfectly aligned with the seasonal Santa Ana Winds, once again as bellows, accelerating the fire’s rush to the coast where it burned beach homes. The large number of residences lost attests not only to the ferocity of the conflagration but also to the amount of new construction since the 1993 firestorm.

You’ll forgive me if I am not immediately ready to embrace Mike Davis as truth teller in view of his extremely messy personal life, history of suspiciously self-beneficial political action, and self-description as a “critical geography Marxist.”

Doesn’t anybody on DCUM exercise even the slightest critical thought any more? Or do you just believe any random link that gets thrown up here?

Consider sources, PP. Consider sources. I’m willing to bet you’d never even heard of Mike Davis before you shared that link.

DCUM seems to be overrun with science deniers and people unwilling to use critical thinking. They just peck away relentlessly with misinformation and insults. People that care about facts eventually give up because it’s exhausting.

I mean, yes? That still doesn’t magically turn Mike Davis into a credible source.

I was agreeing that he’s not credible and answering thus:
Doesn’t anybody on DCUM exercise even the slightest critical thought any more?