7/24/23 Trial of Usman Shahid -- driver who killed two Oakton teens

[Anonymous]

Can you drive with others in the car?

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Also it seems like a lot of this deflection onto the other driver is to take away the focus on these girls that lost their lives or were severely injured for simply being on a sidewalk at the wrong time.

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Anonymous wrote:Has it ever been determined if the parents knowingly let him drive the car without a valid license? The car would have been in their names (you can’t register a car without proof of a valid license). He had access to the keys. Assuming he was driving the car home from school that day then he also drove it to school that day as well. They must have known? Had he also been driving it solo the previous days too?

That’s going to be a key issue in litigation against the parents. At this point I have to assume they’ve been added as defendants in the civil case (or will be shortly if the victims’ attorneys just learned about the learner’s permit).

One of the complicating factors is, I believe, there are circumstances in VA in which a driver with a learner’s permit can drive without someone over 21. So even if they intended for him to drive the car before attaining a license, it’s possible they could argue they intended for him to drive in a manner consistent with the permit conditions.

What circumstances?

From the DMV website:

You may drive with your learner's permit without a licensed driver if you:

Hold a valid Virginia Driver Training Certificate (DTS B), signed by a parent or legal guardian, showing completion of the classroom and behind-the-wheel portions of driver education
Are at least 16 years 3 months old, and
Have held your learner's permit for nine months

Keep in mind that the DTS B form is what the driving instructor fills out after a student has met all requirements for a license - 45 hours driving, BTW with road test at the end. So basically the student copy of it, along with the permit, constitute a temporary license that the driver must carry until DMV issues the official one. If that were the case with Shahid, I doubt the prosecution would have introduced the permit issue or the defense would have tried to object. Instead, I’d think the defense would have shown he met the requirements was just waiting on the official license.

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Anonymous wrote:Has it ever been determined if the parents knowingly let him drive the car without a valid license? The car would have been in their names (you can’t register a car without proof of a valid license). He had access to the keys. Assuming he was driving the car home from school that day then he also drove it to school that day as well. They must have known? Had he also been driving it solo the previous days too?

That’s going to be a key issue in litigation against the parents. At this point I have to assume they’ve been added as defendants in the civil case (or will be shortly if the victims’ attorneys just learned about the learner’s permit).

One of the complicating factors is, I believe, there are circumstances in VA in which a driver with a learner’s permit can drive without someone over 21. So even if they intended for him to drive the car before attaining a license, it’s possible they could argue they intended for him to drive in a manner consistent with the permit conditions.

What circumstances?

From the DMV website:

You may drive with your learner's permit without a licensed driver if you:

Hold a valid Virginia Driver Training Certificate (DTS B), signed by a parent or legal guardian, showing completion of the classroom and behind-the-wheel portions of driver education
Are at least 16 years 3 months old, and
Have held your learner's permit for nine months

Keep in mind that the DTS B form is what the driving instructor fills out after a student has met all requirements for a license - 45 hours driving, BTW with road test at the end. So basically the student copy of it, along with the permit, constitute a temporary license that the driver must carry until DMV issues the official one. If that were the case with Shahid, I doubt the prosecution would have introduced the permit issue or the defense would have tried to object. Instead, I’d think the defense would have shown he met the requirements was just waiting on the official license.

Oh so this is used during the period when you are waiting for your license in the mail? It’s not just allowable for an unknown period of time to be driving around unlicensed without supervision?

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Anonymous wrote:For everyone saying “if he was never speeding, this could’ve happened” it’s the same as “if the other car yielded and never blocked the road, this would’ve never happened” just use some brain cells here y’all. They’re both at fault

When you are driving, if someone pulls in front of you or turns in front of you, then you brake to avoid them. You don't accelerate and try to drive around them.

You, being an experienced, licensed driver? Sure. That probably happens most of the time.

Since you seem to be an inexperienced driver, I am informing you how to drive safely.

You are confusing posters.

If you’re going to teach anyone how to drive tell the 4Runner to wait until it’s clear before turning.

Maybe tell that loser not to drive 81 mph when he’s not even legally licensed.

Yes, obviously. Shahid made multiple errors.

But he wasn’t the only one at fault here.

Maybe. But “right of way” does not equal “right to hit”. The driver with the right of way still has a legal obligation to try and avoid an accident, even if the other driver has made an error. Knowingly driving without a valid license and exceeding the speed limit by more than double in a residential area clearly indicate disregard for that responsibility.

I also came across some information that seems to indicate three exceptions to an automatic ruling of fault against a left turn driver in situations like this, and Shahid meets two of them - that the right of way driver was speeding, and that the left-turn driver had a clear path when he or she began the turn, but something caused a delay in the maneuver.

Did the 4Runner driver make a mistake? Maybe. But that’s irrelevant to this case. Driving is not a right but a privilege that comes with responsibility, and Shahid knowingly and recklessly failed to respect that.

Agree 100% that it's irrelevant to this case. Shahid should absolutely be held accountable for his actions.

The 4Runner should still be held accountable for his mistake which did contribute to their deaths. Hopefully that happens in the civil case.

Maybe a harsh penalty will make the bad drivers in this area start to pay attention to the other drivers and pedestrians around them.

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Anonymous wrote:For everyone saying “if he was never speeding, this could’ve happened” it’s the same as “if the other car yielded and never blocked the road, this would’ve never happened” just use some brain cells here y’all. They’re both at fault

When you are driving, if someone pulls in front of you or turns in front of you, then you brake to avoid them. You don't accelerate and try to drive around them.

You, being an experienced, licensed driver? Sure. That probably happens most of the time.

Since you seem to be an inexperienced driver, I am informing you how to drive safely.

You are confusing posters.

If you’re going to teach anyone how to drive tell the 4Runner to wait until it’s clear before turning.

Maybe tell that loser not to drive 81 mph when he’s not even legally licensed.

Yes, obviously. Shahid made multiple errors.

But he wasn’t the only one at fault here.

Maybe. But “right of way” does not equal “right to hit”. The driver with the right of way still has a legal obligation to try and avoid an accident, even if the other driver has made an error. Knowingly driving without a valid license and exceeding the speed limit by more than double in a residential area clearly indicate disregard for that responsibility.

I also came across some information that seems to indicate three exceptions to an automatic ruling of fault against a left turn driver in situations like this, and Shahid meets two of them - that the right of way driver was speeding, and that the left-turn driver had a clear path when he or she began the turn, but something caused a delay in the maneuver.

Did the 4Runner driver make a mistake? Maybe. But that’s irrelevant to this case. Driving is not a right but a privilege that comes with responsibility, and Shahid knowingly and recklessly failed to respect that.

Agree 100% that it's irrelevant to this case. Shahid should absolutely be held accountable for his actions.

The 4Runner should still be held accountable for his mistake which did contribute to their deaths. Hopefully that happens in the civil case.

Maybe a harsh penalty will make the bad drivers in this area start to pay attention to the other drivers and pedestrians around them.

No. You are not reading correctly. The 4Runner was not at fault.

Do not speed. When they say speed kills, this is what they mean. Learn from this. Do not speed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has it ever been determined if the parents knowingly let him drive the car without a valid license? The car would have been in their names (you can’t register a car without proof of a valid license). He had access to the keys. Assuming he was driving the car home from school that day then he also drove it to school that day as well. They must have known? Had he also been driving it solo the previous days too?

That’s going to be a key issue in litigation against the parents. At this point I have to assume they’ve been added as defendants in the civil case (or will be shortly if the victims’ attorneys just learned about the learner’s permit).

One of the complicating factors is, I believe, there are circumstances in VA in which a driver with a learner’s permit can drive without someone over 21. So even if they intended for him to drive the car before attaining a license, it’s possible they could argue they intended for him to drive in a manner consistent with the permit conditions.

What circumstances?

From the DMV website:

You may drive with your learner's permit without a licensed driver if you:

Hold a valid Virginia Driver Training Certificate (DTS B), signed by a parent or legal guardian, showing completion of the classroom and behind-the-wheel portions of driver education
Are at least 16 years 3 months old, and
Have held your learner's permit for nine months

Keep in mind that the DTS B form is what the driving instructor fills out after a student has met all requirements for a license - 45 hours driving, BTW with road test at the end. So basically the student copy of it, along with the permit, constitute a temporary license that the driver must carry until DMV issues the official one. If that were the case with Shahid, I doubt the prosecution would have introduced the permit issue or the defense would have tried to object. Instead, I’d think the defense would have shown he met the requirements was just waiting on the official license.

Good point. If he met the conditions and his driving was allowed by his permit then it’s probably much more likely to be prejudicial than helpful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rich parents. They were able to delay the trial for two years. They buy this kid a BMW they hire high-powered attorneys. They squashed all social media Talk about him for two years.

How does one do this?

You hire a scrubber. They scrub your presence from the internet and use SEO to skew results. It's very expensive.

[Anonymous]

The sentencing hearing in the manslaughter case of two Oakton High School students killed in a June 7, 2022, crash abruptly stopped Thursday morning after a member of the courtroom audience collapsed during the testimony of one of the victim’s mothers.

[Anonymous]

What the hell! Why can’t they just sentence him. Why do they have to delay it because somebody collapsed. He needs to be sentenced to A very lengthy prison time and then let everybody else get the justice. They deserve and want. I’m sure it’s emotional for all those involved, especially the victims families and loved ones.

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During testimony by Martinez Nolasco’s mother, a woman in the courtroom audience collapsed and was taken out of the courtroom by other attendees.
As a precaution, Fairfax County sheriff’s deputies asked Circuit Court Judge Randy Bellows to leave the courtroom. He did this after dismissing the jury.

About 10 minutes later, a deputy told those in court that the hearing was in recess.

[Anonymous]

He will get time behind bars. It saddens me family doesn’t seem like they accepted it.
It’s outrageous they want the families who lost their 15 year old kids to move on but they refuse to let their grown up kid to take responsibility.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m someone who was there throughout the all the court sessions and saw all the evidence which shows how the other driver is at fault and knows it. He denied speaking to anyone unless he gets immunity and when he’s speaking he plead the 5th 3 TIMES. He admitted to not checking if there was a car coming while crossing the intersection, he also went hiding after the crash fyi. Also, apparently the investigation said that he was not doing 81 at all until the second before impact where he floored the gas to try and avoid the crash. I’m not on no one’s side and really sad about both sides’ loss but I’m just saying what I heard in the courtroom that I know the news won’t talk about

Stop lying and deflecting blame and spouting stupid conspiracy theories. Your son or friend or whatever was horribly reckless. It was no one else’s fault. He was driving without a license at 81mph. He wasted our resources by going to trial on this obvious crime. Thank god our system worked.

Maybe this person is a reporter???

A reporter who writes like a 12 year old?? You can't be serious.

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Anonymous wrote:During testimony by Martinez Nolasco’s mother, a woman in the courtroom audience collapsed and was taken out of the courtroom by other attendees.
As a precaution, Fairfax County sheriff’s deputies asked Circuit Court Judge Randy Bellows to leave the courtroom. He did this after dismissing the jury.

About 10 minutes later, a deputy told those in court that the hearing was in recess.

What's this about?

[Anonymous]

I took the time to read up on this. It’s outrageous.
You are not above law.
This grown up man will go to jail because he is now a convicted murderer. This is crazy how some are here protecting this, trying to attack others who state facts.
Enough. They are so grossly negligent in every way.