The White Lotus season 2

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Anonymous wrote:I’m LOLing at the idea that some of you have that Daphne or Lucia have more power than the men. Open your eyes. Cameron is not a saver. He makes a lot but clearly spends a lot too. He’s dodging paying Lucia the money he owes her probably because he knows he doesn’t have enough to cover it. If he and Daphne get divorced, she’ll be the typical cliche. A formerly pretty, now middle aged, housewife on the prowl for husband #2 before her alimony runs out. If she can’t find one, she’ll have to become a realtor or secretary or cashier. something desperate like that.

And Albie is leaving Italy within the week to go back to his bright future as a Stanford grad with rich parents. Lucia has no power over him. She’ll stay in Sicily, getting older and older, losing her looks, trying to make money through sex.

Cynical? Yeah but this is what real life is like. At the end of the day, wealth and gender finger power.

I said that Lucia has fragile power that is tied to this specific moment in time. She has power in that Albie likes her and he is powerful and she has some control over his power in this moment. But this is fleeting power and could be used to help her or destroy her depending on how she wields it.

Daphne has tremendous power and if you can't see that then you are blinded by the men. She holds the power in that relationship. I would honestly like you to give an example where she doesn't. He pulls one move she's annoyed with and she punishes him by staying away for the night (although its interesting we didn't get to see that conversation) and then freezes him out so he's making it up to her the next day. He is afraid of losing her and has said it out loud twice in the series (once to Lucia, once when recounting her emergency birth). She has not said anything like that about him. She isn't afraid of losing him at all.

Lol it’s clear that she doesn’t want Cam cheating but she can’t get him to stop. She only sleeps with the trainer because it makes her feel less internally humiliated. Cam doesn’t even know about it. We’re supposed to realize she’s lying to herself and Harper when she says things like “I’m not a victim.” She’d much rather have a faithful husband and perfect marriage. If you think that’s power, and a healthy happy relationship, I feel really sorry for you.

Mike White and the actress have explicitly said the opposite of this. I do not believe they have a happy and healthy relationship, I believe she wields the power in the unhealthy relationship they have. The fact that you can't understand that makes me question your understanding of the complexities that the show is trying to get across. You want this to be black and white. This show is not black and white.

She has some power but not a lot. Cameron is the exact type of man who will dump his middle aged wife for a younger trophy. He’s already aggressively cheating on her.

That is a different kind of horrible man IMO. Which isn't a defense of Cameron. But he very much loves her. He is the only male on the show (other than Albie) actively showing affection to a woman and showing that he actively cares what she thinks. And that is not 'stanning' them or saying they have a good relationship or stanning her. It is just an observation. He cares about what Daphne thinks, he will never leave her. He is the guy who will cheat and promise to leave but never actually do it.

Does he though? That’s the exact question Dom asks his father. Nono aggressively cheated on his wife and everyone knew including the wife who was unhappy about it. Yet Nono maintains they loved each other and had a happy marriage. We the audience think this is delusional thinking in his part. Dom asks something like, how can you say you love someone and treat them that way?

Cam cares about Daphne but it’s not a selfless love. He doesn’t prioritize her happiness over his own or his sexual appetites.

I didn't say it was selfless but yes I think he loves her. I have said it before he is the only guy who is expressing that he cares about this. When she's upset he does things to address it (schedule wine tasting), when he talks about her almost dying in childbirth he cries, when Lucia talks to him he is upset because he is with his WIFE. He is not a good person I'm not saying this is a good or healthy or pure love. But it is absolutely a primary driver of his behavior. I think Nono loved his wife. I think Dom does not love Laura Dern. You can love someone and be bad to them and act selfishly, that happens in marriages and romances every day.

Loving someone means you are willing to put their happiness over your own in matters where it counts like fidelity. Cam and Daphne are a dumpster fire. It blows my mind that anyone thinks they are aspirational. She’s gone for one night and he hires hookers. She’s having a long term affair with her trainer to get back at his rampant cheating. One or both of her kids may have been fathered by another man. Cam doesn’t have the cash to pay the hooker who is threatening to blow up his spot imminently. If they were white and beautiful, they’d be on Maury Povich.

I guess that is pretty privilege for you!

You are not understanding my point at all

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the writer so enjoys shining light on uncomfortable hypocrisy!

I mean, what's the difference between Rachel (season 1 - married to Cornell douche) and Daphne, and Lucia? They all take money in exchange for putting up with a man but I almost respect Lucia more!

Lucia was purely transactional with Dom - had sex, got money, respectfully went on their ways with no relationship.
Rachel semi-transactional with husband - got married, got money, forces self to have a relationship with unlikeable husband.
Daphne semi-transactional with husband - got married, got money, enjoys husband and children, forces self to not despise cheating husband.

Ha! The whore has the most self respect? She’s banged 100s of men in that town and hotel.

Dude, you've got issues. Why do you keep calling her a 'whore'. She likes sex. She doesn't have a pimp and she chooses who she has sex with. It's a transaction. She probably has very few choices for work in her situation. Why do you judge her?

You sound like a hate filled harpy.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the writer so enjoys shining light on uncomfortable hypocrisy!

I mean, what's the difference between Rachel (season 1 - married to Cornell douche) and Daphne, and Lucia? They all take money in exchange for putting up with a man but I almost respect Lucia more!

Lucia was purely transactional with Dom - had sex, got money, respectfully went on their ways with no relationship.
Rachel semi-transactional with husband - got married, got money, forces self to have a relationship with unlikeable husband.
Daphne semi-transactional with husband - got married, got money, enjoys husband and children, forces self to not despise cheating husband.

Ha! The whore has the most self respect? She’s banged 100s of men in that town and hotel.

Dude, you've got issues. Why do you keep calling her a 'whore'. She likes sex. She doesn't have a pimp and she chooses who she has sex with. It's a transaction. She probably has very few choices for work in her situation. Why do you judge her?

You sound like a hate filled harpy.

Relax it’s a show

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the writer so enjoys shining light on uncomfortable hypocrisy!

I mean, what's the difference between Rachel (season 1 - married to Cornell douche) and Daphne, and Lucia? They all take money in exchange for putting up with a man but I almost respect Lucia more!

Lucia was purely transactional with Dom - had sex, got money, respectfully went on their ways with no relationship.
Rachel semi-transactional with husband - got married, got money, forces self to have a relationship with unlikeable husband.
Daphne semi-transactional with husband - got married, got money, enjoys husband and children, forces self to not despise cheating husband.

Ha! The whore has the most self respect? She’s banged 100s of men in that town and hotel.

Dude, you've got issues. Why do you keep calling her a 'whore'. She likes sex. She doesn't have a pimp and she chooses who she has sex with. It's a transaction. She probably has very few choices for work in her situation. Why do you judge her?

You sound like a hate filled harpy.

Just ignore him. There is one obvious troll in this discussion topic that just tries to bait people.

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Some who likes sex and gets paid for is a whore.

Some who likes sex and lies and tricks a 22 yo to pay for it is an evil whore.

Worlds oldest profession

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the writer so enjoys shining light on uncomfortable hypocrisy!

I mean, what's the difference between Rachel (season 1 - married to Cornell douche) and Daphne, and Lucia? They all take money in exchange for putting up with a man but I almost respect Lucia more!

Lucia was purely transactional with Dom - had sex, got money, respectfully went on their ways with no relationship.
Rachel semi-transactional with husband - got married, got money, forces self to have a relationship with unlikeable husband.
Daphne semi-transactional with husband - got married, got money, enjoys husband and children, forces self to not despise cheating husband.

Ha! The whore has the most self respect? She’s banged 100s of men in that town and hotel.

Dude, you've got issues. Why do you keep calling her a 'whore'. She likes sex. She doesn't have a pimp and she chooses who she has sex with. It's a transaction. She probably has very few choices for work in her situation. Why do you judge her?

You sound like a hate filled harpy.

Why wouldn’t you judge someone doing that with married men, online, and lying to extract money? She and you are delusional if yours reducing it to “business”.

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Anonymous wrote:Did the spa worker put a curse on Tanya in the first season? Tanya wonders about that in Season 2 and I can't remember.

Tanya wonders about this because she's racist

No that’s not what’s going on.
She ditched the spa worker project for a love interest. Like some chicks do of any age or race.

She brings up a curse from the Italian fortune teller / card reader scene, not season one people.

TBF, she calls the fortune teller a 'gypsy' instead of Roma. She's guilty of the type of casual racism I've heard from certain types about Asians, fat people of any race, and Roma (not that this group belongs together, but that wealthy people seem to be fine with slurs against these groups).

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Anonymous wrote:I’m LOLing at the idea that some of you have that Daphne or Lucia have more power than the men. Open your eyes. Cameron is not a saver. He makes a lot but clearly spends a lot too. He’s dodging paying Lucia the money he owes her probably because he knows he doesn’t have enough to cover it. If he and Daphne get divorced, she’ll be the typical cliche. A formerly pretty, now middle aged, housewife on the prowl for husband #2 before her alimony runs out. If she can’t find one, she’ll have to become a realtor or secretary or cashier. something desperate like that.

And Albie is leaving Italy within the week to go back to his bright future as a Stanford grad with rich parents. Lucia has no power over him. She’ll stay in Sicily, getting older and older, losing her looks, trying to make money through sex.

Cynical? Yeah but this is what real life is like. At the end of the day, wealth and gender finger power.

I said that Lucia has fragile power that is tied to this specific moment in time. She has power in that Albie likes her and he is powerful and she has some control over his power in this moment. But this is fleeting power and could be used to help her or destroy her depending on how she wields it.

Daphne has tremendous power and if you can't see that then you are blinded by the men. She holds the power in that relationship. I would honestly like you to give an example where she doesn't. He pulls one move she's annoyed with and she punishes him by staying away for the night (although its interesting we didn't get to see that conversation) and then freezes him out so he's making it up to her the next day. He is afraid of losing her and has said it out loud twice in the series (once to Lucia, once when recounting her emergency birth). She has not said anything like that about him. She isn't afraid of losing him at all.

Lol it’s clear that she doesn’t want Cam cheating but she can’t get him to stop. She only sleeps with the trainer because it makes her feel less internally humiliated. Cam doesn’t even know about it. We’re supposed to realize she’s lying to herself and Harper when she says things like “I’m not a victim.” She’d much rather have a faithful husband and perfect marriage. If you think that’s power, and a healthy happy relationship, I feel really sorry for you.

Mike White and the actress have explicitly said the opposite of this. I do not believe they have a happy and healthy relationship, I believe she wields the power in the unhealthy relationship they have. The fact that you can't understand that makes me question your understanding of the complexities that the show is trying to get across. You want this to be black and white. This show is not black and white.

She has some power but not a lot. Cameron is the exact type of man who will dump his middle aged wife for a younger trophy. He’s already aggressively cheating on her.

That is a different kind of horrible man IMO. Which isn't a defense of Cameron. But he very much loves her. He is the only male on the show (other than Albie) actively showing affection to a woman and showing that he actively cares what she thinks. And that is not 'stanning' them or saying they have a good relationship or stanning her. It is just an observation. He cares about what Daphne thinks, he will never leave her. He is the guy who will cheat and promise to leave but never actually do it.

Does he though? That’s the exact question Dom asks his father. Nono aggressively cheated on his wife and everyone knew including the wife who was unhappy about it. Yet Nono maintains they loved each other and had a happy marriage. We the audience think this is delusional thinking in his part. Dom asks something like, how can you say you love someone and treat them that way?

Cam cares about Daphne but it’s not a selfless love. He doesn’t prioritize her happiness over his own or his sexual appetites.

I didn't say it was selfless but yes I think he loves her. I have said it before he is the only guy who is expressing that he cares about this. When she's upset he does things to address it (schedule wine tasting), when he talks about her almost dying in childbirth he cries, when Lucia talks to him he is upset because he is with his WIFE. He is not a good person I'm not saying this is a good or healthy or pure love. But it is absolutely a primary driver of his behavior. I think Nono loved his wife. I think Dom does not love Laura Dern. You can love someone and be bad to them and act selfishly, that happens in marriages and romances every day.

And Harper is very jealous of the affection- physical and with words that Cameron shows Daphne. She wishes Ethan would show even 1/16th of that towards her.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m LOLing at the idea that some of you have that Daphne or Lucia have more power than the men. Open your eyes. Cameron is not a saver. He makes a lot but clearly spends a lot too. He’s dodging paying Lucia the money he owes her probably because he knows he doesn’t have enough to cover it. If he and Daphne get divorced, she’ll be the typical cliche. A formerly pretty, now middle aged, housewife on the prowl for husband #2 before her alimony runs out. If she can’t find one, she’ll have to become a realtor or secretary or cashier. something desperate like that.

And Albie is leaving Italy within the week to go back to his bright future as a Stanford grad with rich parents. Lucia has no power over him. She’ll stay in Sicily, getting older and older, losing her looks, trying to make money through sex.

Cynical? Yeah but this is what real life is like. At the end of the day, wealth and gender finger power.

I said that Lucia has fragile power that is tied to this specific moment in time. She has power in that Albie likes her and he is powerful and she has some control over his power in this moment. But this is fleeting power and could be used to help her or destroy her depending on how she wields it.

Daphne has tremendous power and if you can't see that then you are blinded by the men. She holds the power in that relationship. I would honestly like you to give an example where she doesn't. He pulls one move she's annoyed with and she punishes him by staying away for the night (although its interesting we didn't get to see that conversation) and then freezes him out so he's making it up to her the next day. He is afraid of losing her and has said it out loud twice in the series (once to Lucia, once when recounting her emergency birth). She has not said anything like that about him. She isn't afraid of losing him at all.

Lol it’s clear that she doesn’t want Cam cheating but she can’t get him to stop. She only sleeps with the trainer because it makes her feel less internally humiliated. Cam doesn’t even know about it. We’re supposed to realize she’s lying to herself and Harper when she says things like “I’m not a victim.” She’d much rather have a faithful husband and perfect marriage. If you think that’s power, and a healthy happy relationship, I feel really sorry for you.

Mike White and the actress have explicitly said the opposite of this. I do not believe they have a happy and healthy relationship, I believe she wields the power in the unhealthy relationship they have. The fact that you can't understand that makes me question your understanding of the complexities that the show is trying to get across. You want this to be black and white. This show is not black and white.

She has some power but not a lot. Cameron is the exact type of man who will dump his middle aged wife for a younger trophy. He’s already aggressively cheating on her.

That is a different kind of horrible man IMO. Which isn't a defense of Cameron. But he very much loves her. He is the only male on the show (other than Albie) actively showing affection to a woman and showing that he actively cares what she thinks. And that is not 'stanning' them or saying they have a good relationship or stanning her. It is just an observation. He cares about what Daphne thinks, he will never leave her. He is the guy who will cheat and promise to leave but never actually do it.

Does he though? That’s the exact question Dom asks his father. Nono aggressively cheated on his wife and everyone knew including the wife who was unhappy about it. Yet Nono maintains they loved each other and had a happy marriage. We the audience think this is delusional thinking in his part. Dom asks something like, how can you say you love someone and treat them that way?

Cam cares about Daphne but it’s not a selfless love. He doesn’t prioritize her happiness over his own or his sexual appetites.

I didn't say it was selfless but yes I think he loves her. I have said it before he is the only guy who is expressing that he cares about this. When she's upset he does things to address it (schedule wine tasting), when he talks about her almost dying in childbirth he cries, when Lucia talks to him he is upset because he is with his WIFE. He is not a good person I'm not saying this is a good or healthy or pure love. But it is absolutely a primary driver of his behavior. I think Nono loved his wife. I think Dom does not love Laura Dern. You can love someone and be bad to them and act selfishly, that happens in marriages and romances every day.

And Harper is very jealous of the affection- physical and with words that Cameron shows Daphne. She wishes Ethan would show even 1/16th of that towards her.

Pretty painful to not feel desired by your spouse.

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Does anyone else think Ethan is an awful actor? I think he has a total of two facial expressions

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else think Ethan is an awful actor? I think he has a total of two facial expressions

Agree. The apathetic guy role could do more than smirk and hide behind his hair.

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Anonymous wrote:A podcast I listen to (Still Watching from Vanity Fair) pointed out that Ethan shows some real signs of not just anger but rage in the conversation about mimetic desire. Their point, which I agree with, is that it's clear from that conversation that Ethan's resentment towards and dislike of Cameron goes all the way back to college and that Ethan is nowhere near over it. One of the guys on the podcasts talked specifically about that kind of anger where maybe you don't think about for a long time, but then when you do think about it, it's so strong that it almost makes you vibrate. Their point on the podcast was that this scene illustrates that Ethan might have it in him to straight up murder Cameron.

While not a murderer ( ) this comment struck me because I immediately recognized that type of anger. I have a person from my past who I haven't seen in a long time and would definitely not choose to go on vacation with, but if I did find myself, for some reason, sitting down to dinner with them and our spouses, and they were acting like the same a$$hole they've always been, that is exactly the kind of rage I'd feel -- just vibrating, almost hard to control rage. I'm sure I'd handle it by either crying or screaming at them, not murdering them, but I absolutely recognize that feeling. There are some harms that cut very, very deep and stick with you. A healthy person gets far away from the person who caused the harm but Ethan, intriguingly, has decided to spend a lengthy vacation in a hotel with adjoining rooms, in a small town on an island with that person. That's... a choice.

This is the best take on Ethan that I've read.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else think Ethan is an awful actor? I think he has a total of two facial expressions

Agree. The apathetic guy role could do more than smirk and hide behind his hair.

I like his acting. But could someone tell me why Essex boy is doing the gay guy? I think the gays are cons.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else think Ethan is an awful actor? I think he has a total of two facial expressions

Agree. The apathetic guy role could do more than smirk and hide behind his hair.

I like his acting. But could someone tell me why Essex boy is doing the gay guy? I think the gays are cons.

The gays like his blubber butt

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else think Ethan is an awful actor? I think he has a total of two facial expressions

It is really weird because he is a Shakespearean-trained British actor--and they are almost always amazing. He is so retrained in his performance to the point that it is just almost bizarre? At first, I thought it was because he was just uncertain and tentative with the American accent. Now, 5 episodes of the clueless smirk and the vacant stare are just not enough.