DA vs ECNL vs everything else

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:does BRYC bring in girls from rival clubs significantly farther than 10 miles radius?

We have been traveling 18 miles to play at BRYC for the last 2 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:does BRYC bring in girls from rival clubs significantly farther than 10 miles radius?

We have been traveling 18 miles to play at BRYC for the last 2 years.

So 1 at your DD age group?

[Anonymous]

Lord have mercy. Youre talking Loudoun 07 on a ECNL vs DA forum.

3 years ago, some Loudoun 04 and 05 parents probabley thought just like you. Go ask them now what they think.

If all else fails, follow the trail. It's a clue.

A team will get destroyed if they lose their top 5-6 kids. I've seen it with less.

Example:

On most national level teams (roster size of 18)

#1- 6 are studs (Always included the midfielder).
#7-14 are above average to average.
#15-18 are average to below.

You lose #1-6 ,
you must move up #7-18
and add #19-21 from the 2nd team.

Your new team is now

#1-12 are above average to average (mostly average by number)
#13-18 are average to below average

It's very hard to compete on a national level with teams that have a roster full of stud players.

The only way counter that is to recruit 6 stud players you lost. Which will never happen in NOVA because the talent is tied up somewhere.

The only argument to this is that Loudoun will retain their talent now that they have ECNL.

However, its not happening with the 05 age group. What makes anyone thinks it will happen with the 06 and beyond age groups. If anything, ECNL becomes weaker in NOVA as the years go on...which causes more flight.

[Anonymous]

Anyone go to the Arlington DA town hall last night? Any useful info to share (esp about notification process-I’ve heard they plan to now “invite” players to come to DA ID practices etc)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did McLean lose a lot of their youth to DA? Is their u14 ECNL team terrible? Good test case for retaining talent for ECNL vs losing to DA...

Wont know the answer to that until after May tryouts. How many current kids show up. Or how many come at all, and that goes for all the ECNL and high level NPL, CCL teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:does BRYC bring in girls from rival clubs significantly farther than 10 miles radius?

We have been traveling 18 miles to play at BRYC for the last 2 years.

So 1 at your DD age group?

In my DD's age group there are kids who came from PWSI, LMVSC, Alexandria, Gunston, SYC, FPYC, Chantilly. Almost all of those kids drive more than 10 miles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lord have mercy. Youre talking Loudoun 07 on a ECNL vs DA forum.

3 years ago, some Loudoun 04 and 05 parents probabley thought just like you. Go ask them now what they think.

If all else fails, follow the trail. It's a clue.

A team will get destroyed if they lose their top 5-6 kids. I've seen it with less.

Example:

On most national level teams (roster size of 18)

#1- 6 are studs (Always included the midfielder).
#7-14 are above average to average.
#15-18 are average to below.

You lose #1-6 ,
you must move up #7-18
and add #19-21 from the 2nd team.

Your new team is now

#1-12 are above average to average (mostly average by number)
#13-18 are average to below average

It's very hard to compete on a national level with teams that have a roster full of stud players.

The only way counter that is to recruit 6 stud players you lost. Which will never happen in NOVA because the talent is tied up somewhere.

The only argument to this is that Loudoun will retain their talent now that they have ECNL.

However, its not happening with the 05 age group. What makes anyone thinks it will happen with the 06 and beyond age groups. If anything, ECNL becomes weaker in NOVA as the years go on...which causes more flight.

Now you are avoiding the discussion.

That is such a dumb argument. It's about player development not recruiting. Every sport is littered with stories of the best players being passed over initially and developing late.

In 2000, a kid got passed over 5 times by every NFL team in the draft until #199 in the 6th round. Whoops. Now Tom Brady is undisputedly the best QB to ever play the game. With your argument, that would never ever have happened. NFL teams should have known in 2000 who Brady would become. No way they could have thought he was #199.

Michael Jordan could not make his HS basketball team. Now he is top 3 NBA players ever. In your ergument that would never ever happen. His HS coach should have known what player he would become.

How did Alex Morgan not make the top club at 12 and 13? Answer that.

It would not surprise me at all if the best next soccer player comes out of the ECNL.

You live in a fantasy world if you think it's all about recruiting and replacing studs.

[Anonymous]

DA recruiting parent is a clown. Tom Brady would fall into his #15-18 bracket. So would Alex Morgan. Don't want that kid. LMAO.

[Anonymous]

Discuss ECNL flight.

How is it possible that BRYC U15 #1 in their ECNL bracket and McLean is #4? Shouldn't all those stud players be on FCV and WS rosters? WS could use them with their DA record. That BRYC team ECNL record is 11-2-1.

Please explain what is happening here because those players are still just middle schoolers with recruiting ahead of them. How in the world can that be possible?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:does BRYC bring in girls from rival clubs significantly farther than 10 miles radius?

We have been traveling 18 miles to play at BRYC for the last 2 years.

So 1 at your DD age group?

In my DD's age group there are kids who came from PWSI, LMVSC, Alexandria, Gunston, SYC, FPYC, Chantilly. Almost all of those kids drive more than 10 miles.

In the younger ages- probably half the team is within a few miles but the other half are coming from prince William and farther out FFX County (Herndon, great falls, Fairfax station, Chantilly, Clifton) and at least one from Alexandria.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/National/All/Both/

For those who care about rankings. Whatever they use to assign a score to the teams, its pretty accurate when the teams actually play on the field. Instead of chasing points in lower brackets or getting blown out when placed in a higher bracket unnecessarily.

Wins and losses in youth soccer are NOT an indicator of a good program - development is. For example Arlington Girls plays direct...more affectionally known as kickball. They win games but aren't developing elite SOCCER players - yet. With the DA, that will likely change. If you are interested in your son or daughter winning games anytime before U17, you are in it for the wrong reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Discuss ECNL flight.

How is it possible that BRYC U15 #1 in their ECNL bracket and McLean is #4? Shouldn't all those stud players be on FCV and WS rosters? WS could use them with their DA record. That BRYC team ECNL record is 11-2-1.

Please explain what is happening here because those players are still just middle schoolers with recruiting ahead of them. How in the world can that be possible?

That is a product of the older girls simply staying put. Teams at that age are usually pretty set. The Loudoun kids that wanted to play ECNL were already at FCV prior to DA’s first year. Those kids are doing pretty in DA now and would have done well in ECNL had DA not been created. As many have said before it’s not the older kids that will tell the story it’s what the 05, 06 and to a lesser 04 kids do that will decide this. Also as a parent in ECNL, it is not the same as it was. The conferences have changed so VA squads are no longer playing the Ohio teams or Maryland teams etc on the regular. The league does feel a tad watered down.

[Anonymous]

At U12 and U13, it is silly to think it matters at all what girls go to what programs. Even if the best go to DA, who cares? There really is nothing left to be decided or worry about.

You simply can't tell how they will grow at that age. No guarantee those will be the best players at U17. Plenty of top D1 girls will come on late and be recruited from ECNL.

College coaches even hate offering FR and SO players because they change so much in HS. But to compete they will. Same mentality will keep them watching DA and ECNL.

Find a club you like, that you can drive to 3-4 days per week without losing your mind, enjoy the process and have fun watching them develop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lord have mercy. Youre talking Loudoun 07 on a ECNL vs DA forum.

3 years ago, some Loudoun 04 and 05 parents probabley thought just like you. Go ask them now what they think.

If all else fails, follow the trail. It's a clue.

A team will get destroyed if they lose their top 5-6 kids. I've seen it with less.

Example:

On most national level teams (roster size of 18)

#1- 6 are studs (Always included the midfielder).
#7-14 are above average to average.
#15-18 are average to below.

You lose #1-6 ,
you must move up #7-18
and add #19-21 from the 2nd team.

Your new team is now

#1-12 are above average to average (mostly average by number)
#13-18 are average to below average

It's very hard to compete on a national level with teams that have a roster full of stud players.

The only way counter that is to recruit 6 stud players you lost. Which will never happen in NOVA because the talent is tied up somewhere.

The only argument to this is that Loudoun will retain their talent now that they have ECNL.

However, its not happening with the 05 age group. What makes anyone thinks it will happen with the 06 and beyond age groups. If anything, ECNL becomes weaker in NOVA as the years go on...which causes more flight.

Now you are avoiding the discussion.

That is such a dumb argument. It's about player development not recruiting. Every sport is littered with stories of the best players being passed over initially and developing late.

In 2000, a kid got passed over 5 times by every NFL team in the draft until #199 in the 6th round. Whoops. Now Tom Brady is undisputedly the best QB to ever play the game. With your argument, that would never ever have happened. NFL teams should have known in 2000 who Brady would become. No way they could have thought he was #199.

Michael Jordan could not make his HS basketball team. Now he is top 3 NBA players ever. In your ergument that would never ever happen. His HS coach should have known what player he would become.

How did Alex Morgan not make the top club at 12 and 13? Answer that.

It would not surprise me at all if the best next soccer player comes out of the ECNL.

You live in a fantasy world if you think it's all about recruiting and replacing studs.

Football and soccer are totally differently sports. In soccer the only position you can play at the highest level at the age of 40 is the keeper, and it rarely happens. There are late boomers in soccer but the best of the best nowadays already became the starts in Europe league before they hit 20.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lord have mercy. Youre talking Loudoun 07 on a ECNL vs DA forum.

3 years ago, some Loudoun 04 and 05 parents probabley thought just like you. Go ask them now what they think.

If all else fails, follow the trail. It's a clue.

A team will get destroyed if they lose their top 5-6 kids. I've seen it with less.

Example:

On most national level teams (roster size of 18)

#1- 6 are studs (Always included the midfielder).
#7-14 are above average to average.
#15-18 are average to below.

You lose #1-6 ,
you must move up #7-18
and add #19-21 from the 2nd team.

Your new team is now

#1-12 are above average to average (mostly average by number)
#13-18 are average to below average

It's very hard to compete on a national level with teams that have a roster full of stud players.

The only way counter that is to recruit 6 stud players you lost. Which will never happen in NOVA because the talent is tied up somewhere.

The only argument to this is that Loudoun will retain their talent now that they have ECNL.

However, its not happening with the 05 age group. What makes anyone thinks it will happen with the 06 and beyond age groups. If anything, ECNL becomes weaker in NOVA as the years go on...which causes more flight.

Now you are avoiding the discussion.

That is such a dumb argument. It's about player development not recruiting. Every sport is littered with stories of the best players being passed over initially and developing late.

In 2000, a kid got passed over 5 times by every NFL team in the draft until #199 in the 6th round. Whoops. Now Tom Brady is undisputedly the best QB to ever play the game. With your argument, that would never ever have happened. NFL teams should have known in 2000 who Brady would become. No way they could have thought he was #199.

Michael Jordan could not make his HS basketball team. Now he is top 3 NBA players ever. In your ergument that would never ever happen. His HS coach should have known what player he would become.

How did Alex Morgan not make the top club at 12 and 13? Answer that.

It would not surprise me at all if the best next soccer player comes out of the ECNL.

You live in a fantasy world if you think it's all about recruiting and replacing studs.

Football and soccer are totally differently sports. In soccer the only position you can play at the highest level at the age of 40 is the keeper, and it rarely happens. There are late boomers in soccer but the best of the best nowadays already became the starts in Europe league before they hit 20.

Ok let's ignore all other sports and pretend the idea of late development only matters in soccer. I don't agree at all but that's cool for argument sake...

We are not talking 20 years old here, we are talking 12, 13, 14 years olds in this discussion. Kids deciding DA vs ECNL. I agree by 20 it's clear on talent level.

Alex Morgan is a soccer player. If she failed to make DA today as a 12 or 13 year old - what would happen? Would it be possible she would join ECNL?

Is it possible that ECNL in that case could provide a platform for a kid like her that is a late developer or not? Who here thinks this scenario is not possible?