Missing college student in the Dominican Republic from Ashburn

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Her friends really failed her.

By allowing her autonomy and giving her the privacy she requested?

I agree blaming the friends is uncool. They had no reason to think she'd do something dumb like swim in rough seas at night.

How do you know she *chose* to? Did reports say that? Eyewitnesses or video?

It’s you again. I went to McDonalds today. It’s logical to infer I chose to go there.

You’re not the feminist you think you are. Because something bad happened to this young woman, we don’t get to then decide it wasn’t the result of a decision she made. We don’t get to play women make decisions for themselves, but if something bad happened it must not be their fault.

There is evidence to indicate she chose to go in the water. There is zero evidence to support that any decisions made were not her own.

Look it's name calling poster thinking they know who someone is or if they are a feminist or not. YOU don't know what went on at that moment. Or were you at Riu for a McDonald's too?

I know that she drank at the bar for hours. Then went to the beach with her friends and two guys they met. I know she willingly went to the beach (on video), and her friends seemed the situation kosher enough to leave her and the guy and take her phone. I know the guy woke up hours later alone in the beach and stumbled back to hotel (on video). I know the friends thought she was with him, he thought she was with the friends. The only two people that will ever actually know what happened that moment are the two people that were there. No one else will ever know. Based on this fact, one has to infer from all of the other things we do know as a fact, that this was a terrible accident.

You can push the we don’t know argument as much as you want. But we do actually know quite a bit.

And based on the amount of time they were drinking, he may not even remember what happened.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Her friends really failed her.

By allowing her autonomy and giving her the privacy she requested?

I agree blaming the friends is uncool. They had no reason to think she'd do something dumb like swim in rough seas at night.

How do you know she *chose* to? Did reports say that? Eyewitnesses or video?

It’s you again. I went to McDonalds today. It’s logical to infer I chose to go there.

You’re not the feminist you think you are. Because something bad happened to this young woman, we don’t get to then decide it wasn’t the result of a decision she made. We don’t get to play women make decisions for themselves, but if something bad happened it must not be their fault.

There is evidence to indicate she chose to go in the water. There is zero evidence to support that any decisions made were not her own.

Look it's name calling poster thinking they know who someone is or if they are a feminist or not. YOU don't know what went on at that moment. Or were you at Riu for a McDonald's too?

I know that she drank at the bar for hours. Then went to the beach with her friends and two guys they met. I know she willingly went to the beach (on video), and her friends seemed the situation kosher enough to leave her and the guy and take her phone. I know the guy woke up hours later alone in the beach and stumbled back to hotel (on video). I know the friends thought she was with him, he thought she was with the friends. The only two people that will ever actually know what happened that moment are the two people that were there. No one else will ever know. Based on this fact, one has to infer from all of the other things we do know as a fact, that this was a terrible accident.

You can push the we don’t know argument as much as you want. But we do actually know quite a bit.

And based on the amount of time they were drinking, he may not even remember what happened.

I agree. I'm someone who had many blackout moments at that age. I am not proud of that, but I know people who it never happens to and they have a hard time believing when you "don't remember". The closer I am to falling asleep, the less I remember. That scared me once I got older so I stopped having more than a drink or 2.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Her friends really failed her.

By allowing her autonomy and giving her the privacy she requested?

I agree blaming the friends is uncool. They had no reason to think she'd do something dumb like swim in rough seas at night.

How do you know she *chose* to? Did reports say that? Eyewitnesses or video?

It’s you again. I went to McDonalds today. It’s logical to infer I chose to go there.

You’re not the feminist you think you are. Because something bad happened to this young woman, we don’t get to then decide it wasn’t the result of a decision she made. We don’t get to play women make decisions for themselves, but if something bad happened it must not be their fault.

There is evidence to indicate she chose to go in the water. There is zero evidence to support that any decisions made were not her own.

Look it's name calling poster thinking they know who someone is or if they are a feminist or not. YOU don't know what went on at that moment. Or were you at Riu for a McDonald's too?

I know that she drank at the bar for hours. Then went to the beach with her friends and two guys they met. I know she willingly went to the beach (on video), and her friends seemed the situation kosher enough to leave her and the guy and take her phone. I know the guy woke up hours later alone in the beach and stumbled back to hotel (on video). I know the friends thought she was with him, he thought she was with the friends. The only two people that will ever actually know what happened that moment are the two people that were there. No one else will ever know. Based on this fact, one has to infer from all of the other things we do know as a fact, that this was a terrible accident.

You can push the we don’t know argument as much as you want. But we do actually know quite a bit.

And based on the amount of time they were drinking, he may not even remember what happened.

He told several stories to LE.

[Anonymous]

Do they serve liquor 24-7 at the resort?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her friends really failed her.

By allowing her autonomy and giving her the privacy she requested?

I agree blaming the friends is uncool. They had no reason to think she'd do something dumb like swim in rough seas at night.

How do you know she *chose* to? Did reports say that? Eyewitnesses or video?

It’s you again. I went to McDonalds today. It’s logical to infer I chose to go there.

You’re not the feminist you think you are. Because something bad happened to this young woman, we don’t get to then decide it wasn’t the result of a decision she made. We don’t get to play women make decisions for themselves, but if something bad happened it must not be their fault.

There is evidence to indicate she chose to go in the water. There is zero evidence to support that any decisions made were not her own.

Look it's name calling poster thinking they know who someone is or if they are a feminist or not. YOU don't know what went on at that moment. Or were you at Riu for a McDonald's too?

I know that she drank at the bar for hours. Then went to the beach with her friends and two guys they met. I know she willingly went to the beach (on video), and her friends seemed the situation kosher enough to leave her and the guy and take her phone. I know the guy woke up hours later alone in the beach and stumbled back to hotel (on video). I know the friends thought she was with him, he thought she was with the friends. The only two people that will ever actually know what happened that moment are the two people that were there. No one else will ever know. Based on this fact, one has to infer from all of the other things we do know as a fact, that this was a terrible accident.

You can push the we don’t know argument as much as you want. But we do actually know quite a bit.

And based on the amount of time they were drinking, he may not even remember what happened.

He told several stories to LE.

He probably doesn't remember and panicked at first.

[Anonymous]

Not to be rude - but my tax dollars?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do they serve liquor 24-7 at the resort?

Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do they serve liquor 24-7 at the resort?

Pages ago on this thread, a poster said bar in hotel lobby was open till 2am(??). Did they go have drinks from elsewhere that they consumed at the lobby after lobby bar closed? Was something wrong with the alcohol from outside if there was any alcohol from outside?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her friends really failed her.

By allowing her autonomy and giving her the privacy she requested?

I agree blaming the friends is uncool. They had no reason to think she'd do something dumb like swim in rough seas at night.

How do you know she *chose* to? Did reports say that? Eyewitnesses or video?

It’s you again. I went to McDonalds today. It’s logical to infer I chose to go there.

You’re not the feminist you think you are. Because something bad happened to this young woman, we don’t get to then decide it wasn’t the result of a decision she made. We don’t get to play women make decisions for themselves, but if something bad happened it must not be their fault.

There is evidence to indicate she chose to go in the water. There is zero evidence to support that any decisions made were not her own.

Look it's name calling poster thinking they know who someone is or if they are a feminist or not. YOU don't know what went on at that moment. Or were you at Riu for a McDonald's too?

I know that she drank at the bar for hours. Then went to the beach with her friends and two guys they met. I know she willingly went to the beach (on video), and her friends seemed the situation kosher enough to leave her and the guy and take her phone. I know the guy woke up hours later alone in the beach and stumbled back to hotel (on video). I know the friends thought she was with him, he thought she was with the friends. The only two people that will ever actually know what happened that moment are the two people that were there. No one else will ever know. Based on this fact, one has to infer from all of the other things we do know as a fact, that this was a terrible accident.

You can push the we don’t know argument as much as you want. But we do actually know quite a bit.

And based on the amount of time they were drinking, he may not even remember what happened.

Or could WHAT they were drinking have been the problem?

[Anonymous]

DR has a history of tainted alcohol poisoning and killing tourists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her friends really failed her.

By allowing her autonomy and giving her the privacy she requested?

I agree blaming the friends is uncool. They had no reason to think she'd do something dumb like swim in rough seas at night.

How do you know she *chose* to? Did reports say that? Eyewitnesses or video?

It’s you again. I went to McDonalds today. It’s logical to infer I chose to go there.

You’re not the feminist you think you are. Because something bad happened to this young woman, we don’t get to then decide it wasn’t the result of a decision she made. We don’t get to play women make decisions for themselves, but if something bad happened it must not be their fault.

There is evidence to indicate she chose to go in the water. There is zero evidence to support that any decisions made were not her own.

Look it's name calling poster thinking they know who someone is or if they are a feminist or not. YOU don't know what went on at that moment. Or were you at Riu for a McDonald's too?

I know that she drank at the bar for hours. Then went to the beach with her friends and two guys they met. I know she willingly went to the beach (on video), and her friends seemed the situation kosher enough to leave her and the guy and take her phone. I know the guy woke up hours later alone in the beach and stumbled back to hotel (on video). I know the friends thought she was with him, he thought she was with the friends. The only two people that will ever actually know what happened that moment are the two people that were there. No one else will ever know. Based on this fact, one has to infer from all of the other things we do know as a fact, that this was a terrible accident.

You can push the we don’t know argument as much as you want. But we do actually know quite a bit.

Yet you don't know what happened in the moments that actually need to be known. Good luck and may the family be okay.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This story is so sad. I feel like girls especially have it drilled in their head to look out for their friends and yet this sort of thing happens. I wonder if she had known the boy for a few days so had an illusion of safety and so did her friends.

I really don't like blaming the friends. She clearly wanted to stay behind with him. It was after 5am and the friends wanted to go to bed at last. If she didn't want to go with them, please tell me specifically what they should have done.

They should have stepped in, took her by the arm and led her back to the room to sleep. I had to do this to a friend (we were in our 30's). She was drunk and some guy just "knew" he was hooking up that night. Yes, she was flirting and "all over him", but no way was that happening on "my watch". I came between them, told him to please move along because it wasn't happening tonight and took her back with me to our hotel room. Friends look out for each other. Sadly, her "friends" failed her that morning.

If her friends knew she intended to have sex with the boy, why did they not come by her room or the beach in the morning to see how it was going?

Instead, they just went on a day trip, and gave her privacy.

Ah, this one is interesting.
Do you want your friends coming by your room to see how sex with a random stranger is going?

Right? People here are out of touch.

The only person to blame for this tragedy is the girl. She made a dumb, bad choice and has paid the ultimate price.

It's devastating and maddening, yes, but the blame cannot be shifted to the hotel, her friends, or the guy she was with.

I can think of a dozen or more similar dumb, bad choices I made at her age, but I somehow survived. Luck was on my side each of those times. Here are just a few:
1. met a guy day 1 of spring break, hours of landing & checking into our resort when I was 19, and ditched dinner with my girlfriends to hook up with him
2. went night swimming in Punta Cana when I was 18 (or 20 - not sure which trip I did this)
3. met a local in DR & agreed to go out on his boat with him at night to look at the stars
4. got in a sketchy unmarked van in Chinatown with my friend while shopping for knockoffs. The van drove around the streets while we "shopped" inside. On the same trip, was guided down an alleyway to a secret entrance and walked through a literal sweatshop up 6 flights of rickety stairs to shop for knockoffs.
5. got super drunk in OCMD during beach week fresh out of HS & had to go to the hospital - my parents never found out.
6. was a passenger in a car multiple times with a driver who blew just under .08 using their little pocket breathalyzer b/c we didn't realize that .06 is still freaking impaired (and that those pocket breathalyzers aren't super accurate)

And bow do you know none of them could be "blamed?"

Because she made the choices.

She chose to stay behind and swim with the guy, probably to hookup.

It's not illegal for her friends to leave her alone with a guy.
It's not illegal for them to be on the beach that late even with the red flag warnings.
It's probably not illegal for him to not rescue her (I know in most US states it is not illegal for someone to opt to not helping a drowning individual).

I'm sure her family will get a big fat settlement from the resort, though. I don't think they should, but they probably will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her friends really failed her.

By allowing her autonomy and giving her the privacy she requested?

I agree blaming the friends is uncool. They had no reason to think she'd do something dumb like swim in rough seas at night.

How do you know she *chose* to? Did reports say that? Eyewitnesses or video?

It’s you again. I went to McDonalds today. It’s logical to infer I chose to go there.

You’re not the feminist you think you are. Because something bad happened to this young woman, we don’t get to then decide it wasn’t the result of a decision she made. We don’t get to play women make decisions for themselves, but if something bad happened it must not be their fault.

There is evidence to indicate she chose to go in the water. There is zero evidence to support that any decisions made were not her own.

Look it's name calling poster thinking they know who someone is or if they are a feminist or not. YOU don't know what went on at that moment. Or were you at Riu for a McDonald's too?

I know that she drank at the bar for hours. Then went to the beach with her friends and two guys they met. I know she willingly went to the beach (on video), and her friends seemed the situation kosher enough to leave her and the guy and take her phone. I know the guy woke up hours later alone in the beach and stumbled back to hotel (on video). I know the friends thought she was with him, he thought she was with the friends. The only two people that will ever actually know what happened that moment are the two people that were there. No one else will ever know. Based on this fact, one has to infer from all of the other things we do know as a fact, that this was a terrible accident.

You can push the we don’t know argument as much as you want. But we do actually know quite a bit.

Yet you don't know what happened in the moments that actually need to be known. Good luck and may the family be okay.

Yes. As I said.

"The only two people that will ever actually know what happened that moment are the two people that were there."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This story is so sad. I feel like girls especially have it drilled in their head to look out for their friends and yet this sort of thing happens. I wonder if she had known the boy for a few days so had an illusion of safety and so did her friends.

I really don't like blaming the friends. She clearly wanted to stay behind with him. It was after 5am and the friends wanted to go to bed at last. If she didn't want to go with them, please tell me specifically what they should have done.

They should have stepped in, took her by the arm and led her back to the room to sleep. I had to do this to a friend (we were in our 30's). She was drunk and some guy just "knew" he was hooking up that night. Yes, she was flirting and "all over him", but no way was that happening on "my watch". I came between them, told him to please move along because it wasn't happening tonight and took her back with me to our hotel room. Friends look out for each other. Sadly, her "friends" failed her that morning.

If her friends knew she intended to have sex with the boy, why did they not come by her room or the beach in the morning to see how it was going?

Instead, they just went on a day trip, and gave her privacy.

Ah, this one is interesting.
Do you want your friends coming by your room to see how sex with a random stranger is going?

Right? People here are out of touch.

The only person to blame for this tragedy is the girl. She made a dumb, bad choice and has paid the ultimate price.

It's devastating and maddening, yes, but the blame cannot be shifted to the hotel, her friends, or the guy she was with.

I can think of a dozen or more similar dumb, bad choices I made at her age, but I somehow survived. Luck was on my side each of those times. Here are just a few:
1. met a guy day 1 of spring break, hours of landing & checking into our resort when I was 19, and ditched dinner with my girlfriends to hook up with him
2. went night swimming in Punta Cana when I was 18 (or 20 - not sure which trip I did this)
3. met a local in DR & agreed to go out on his boat with him at night to look at the stars
4. got in a sketchy unmarked van in Chinatown with my friend while shopping for knockoffs. The van drove around the streets while we "shopped" inside. On the same trip, was guided down an alleyway to a secret entrance and walked through a literal sweatshop up 6 flights of rickety stairs to shop for knockoffs.
5. got super drunk in OCMD during beach week fresh out of HS & had to go to the hospital - my parents never found out.
6. was a passenger in a car multiple times with a driver who blew just under .08 using their little pocket breathalyzer b/c we didn't realize that .06 is still freaking impaired (and that those pocket breathalyzers aren't super accurate)

And bow do you know none of them could be "blamed?"

Because she made the choices.

She chose to stay behind and swim with the guy, probably to hookup.

It's not illegal for her friends to leave her alone with a guy.
It's not illegal for them to be on the beach that late even with the red flag warnings.
It's probably not illegal for him to not rescue her (I know in most US states it is not illegal for someone to opt to not helping a drowning individual).

I'm sure her family will get a big fat settlement from the resort, though. I don't think they should, but they probably will.

+1

Who could possibly be blamed? If I'd blame anyone, I'd blame the resort for allowing the young adults to get so drunk and then go to the beach. But, again, adults. They made choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not to be rude - but my tax dollars?

What are you asking about? The LE from US that is being provided to assist there? Something else?