Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)

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Anonymous wrote:It needs to be made a lot easier to put kids up for adoption.

She wouldn't have done that.

Yeah, no way. She’d have lost her Instagram, etc attention fodder.

You don't know that

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There is no chance an insanity defense will be successful in this case.

I think they will go with something like an Ambien murder defense or a sleep walking murder defense where they will say that due to the meds, she had no idea what she was doing. However in both those cases, the murderers are typically horrified when they wake up / come out of the drug haze and realize what they did.

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Anonymous wrote:If she was thinking rationally at the time and is just an evil person who wanted to kill her kids, why would she do it in such an obvious way? It doesn't make any sense. She could have made it look like an accident or framed someone or at a minimum hidden the bodies and tried to flee. Instead she left the bodies and murder weapons there with her fingerprints all over them and jumped out a second-story window severely injuring herself.

She had a psychotic break.

Apparently lots of killers do.

Well, she also intended to kill
herself.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.necn.com/news/national-international/she-killed-the-kids-prosecutors-outline-chilling-timeline-in-duxbury-tragedy/2924108/

Here is the detailed timeline of the day of the murders. It is bone chilling.

So carefully planned.

Exactly. The call to CVS and the text to her husband about MiraLAX were already building her own defense before she even killed them. Selfish monster.

How would those actions build her defense? If anything, they do the opposite, and prove forethought.

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The more I read, the less I understand how her husband can forgive her so completely. I cannot fathom it. I almost couldn’t look at the photo of her; she’s a monster.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like members of Lindsay’s Army of love are here and passionately defending a child murderer. Babies and children can be slaughtered but the opportunity to defend a homely, white, professionally unaccomplished, pill popping and attention seeking failure must never be squandered. The projection is real.

Gross, no, and no one is passionately defending her personally in the way that you're suggesting. Repulsive.

Yes, they are, vociferously and repeatedly. They’re repulsive.

+100. I can only wonder what kind of family life people like PP have. It can’t be good. With all these new details, only the lowest of the low and personality disordered individuals could defend or empathize with this woman. I can’t even type her name, I’m so horrified and disgusted by her acts and that’s as it should be. Society needs to stop normalizing and excusing psychopathic behavior.

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The defense that she was psychotic will go like this:

She killed the first two children because she wanted to give more attention to the baby (she documented this in her written diary. Given the amount of planning, one wonders if this was on purpose)

So why would she kill herself and the 8 month old? Clearly she had a psychotic break.

That's how she's going to avoid the death penalty.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like members of Lindsay’s Army of love are here and passionately defending a child murderer. Babies and children can be slaughtered but the opportunity to defend a homely, white, professionally unaccomplished, pill popping and attention seeking failure must never be squandered. The projection is real.

Gross, no, and no one is passionately defending her personally in the way that you're suggesting. Repulsive.

Yes, they are, vociferously and repeatedly. They’re repulsive.

+100. I can only wonder what kind of family life people like PP have. It can’t be good. With all these new details, only the lowest of the low and personality disordered individuals could defend or empathize with this woman. I can’t even type her name, I’m so horrified and disgusted by her acts and that’s as it should be. Society needs to stop normalizing and excusing psychopathic behavior.

This stuff revealed in the hearing is very disturbing. But I think people really want to reserve judgment because these murders are just so out of the norm. When Bryan Kohberger was arrested, that made sense - angry jealous stalker type. Once we found out about Chris Watts’ affair, that made sense - enraged husband who wanted a new life. (Though I personally believe he only meant to kill his wife, and only killed the kids because he was temporarily insane and thought they would be better off dead than without a mother).

Here, this just doesn’t make sense. If Lindsay regretted having kids, why not just leave her family? Why risk life in prison by murdering them? And if she did decide that murder was the only way, why do it in this manner? She could’ve at least tried the Susan Smith route. Or a car accident, carbon monoxide poisoning, house fire, etc. Why kill them in a way that directly implicates her? And people on here are saying that she didn’t really intend to kill herself because she jumped out a window. But she’s paralyzed from the waist down, so I think she did actually want to die. She could’ve just taken a bottle of benedryl if she really want to “pretend”. It just doesn’t make sense! Either she’s the dumbest killer ever or she really was out of her mind.

At any rate, some of y’all are way too angry with her. Like the pp who said she’s professionally unaccomplished. Way to crap on an entire group of l&d nurses! Are they all professionally unaccomplished?! And she’s not homely. She’s a solid 7, and an 8 in some of her pictures. Of course Ted Bundy was a total smoke show so that doesn’t mean anything… but why go there? Y’all are weird.

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Anonymous wrote:The defense that she was psychotic will go like this:

She killed the first two children because she wanted to give more attention to the baby (she documented this in her written diary. Given the amount of planning, one wonders if this was on purpose)

So why would she kill herself and the 8 month old? Clearly she had a psychotic break.

That's how she's going to avoid the death penalty.

We don’t have the death penalty in Mass.

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Anonymous wrote:The more I read, the less I understand how her husband can forgive her so completely. I cannot fathom it. I almost couldn’t look at the photo of her; she’s a monster.

We don’t really know where he is at. He was lonely in shock the first few days. He had walked in to find his children dead and it would not have been a pleasant sight given how they were killed. Since then he may have gone through many stages of grief and emotion. His feelings about his wife may change many times over as he grieves and processes what she did.

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Anonymous wrote:If she was thinking rationally at the time and is just an evil person who wanted to kill her kids, why would she do it in such an obvious way? It doesn't make any sense. She could have made it look like an accident or framed someone or at a minimum hidden the bodies and tried to flee. Instead she left the bodies and murder weapons there with her fingerprints all over them and jumped out a second-story window severely injuring herself.

She had a psychotic break.

Agreed. So tragic that she sought intensive help and the meds not only didn't help but made her worse. Anyone who's taken even one of those drugs knows they can make you feel numb, dead inside, and disassociated from any feelings at all.

I don't believe she was in her right mind at the time of the murders, but will wait for the forensic psychiatry and toxicology report.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like members of Lindsay’s Army of love are here and passionately defending a child murderer. Babies and children can be slaughtered but the opportunity to defend a homely, white, professionally unaccomplished, pill popping and attention seeking failure must never be squandered. The projection is real.

Gross, no, and no one is passionately defending her personally in the way that you're suggesting. Repulsive.

Yes, they are, vociferously and repeatedly. They’re repulsive.

+100. I can only wonder what kind of family life people like PP have. It can’t be good. With all these new details, only the lowest of the low and personality disordered individuals could defend or empathize with this woman. I can’t even type her name, I’m so horrified and disgusted by her acts and that’s as it should be. Society needs to stop normalizing and excusing psychopathic behavior.

This stuff revealed in the hearing is very disturbing. But I think people really want to reserve judgment because these murders are just so out of the norm. When Bryan Kohberger was arrested, that made sense - angry jealous stalker type. Once we found out about Chris Watts’ affair, that made sense - enraged husband who wanted a new life. (Though I personally believe he only meant to kill his wife, and only killed the kids because he was temporarily insane and thought they would be better off dead than without a mother).

Here, this just doesn’t make sense. If Lindsay regretted having kids, why not just leave her family? Why risk life in prison by murdering them? And if she did decide that murder was the only way, why do it in this manner? She could’ve at least tried the Susan Smith route. Or a car accident, carbon monoxide poisoning, house fire, etc. Why kill them in a way that directly implicates her? And people on here are saying that she didn’t really intend to kill herself because she jumped out a window. But she’s paralyzed from the waist down, so I think she did actually want to die. She could’ve just taken a bottle of benedryl if she really want to “pretend”. It just doesn’t make sense! Either she’s the dumbest killer ever or she really was out of her mind.

At any rate, some of y’all are way too angry with her. Like the pp who said she’s professionally unaccomplished. Way to crap on an entire group of l&d nurses! Are they all professionally unaccomplished?! And she’s not homely. She’s a solid 7, and an 8 in some of her pictures. Of course Ted Bundy was a total smoke show so that doesn’t mean anything… but why go there? Y’all are weird.

She’s a nurse. She would know just how lethal Benedryl is. You don’t have to take that much to die. Regardless I don’t think that people are going to have a lot of sympathy. Even if you are hearing voices you know it’s wrong to act.

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Anonymous wrote:Clancy has my sympathy. She is a Labor & Delivery RN now midwife in 5 days a week outpatient treatment for postpartum depression—she was trying mightily to help herself as was her husband. Sounds like crossover to postpartum psychosis—she will be heartbroken at what she did under SEVERE mental illness. My sympathies to her children deceased, her infant, her husband and yes to her. A nightmare.

I have sympathy and she tried to off herself as well. I think Yates killed her kids and didn’t do anything to herself. But..I believe this post partum psychosis is real. She is going to have to live with this forever. The sad thing is I think a lot of this is tied to lack of sleep and so many people judge if a new mom wants help. I remember I got a lot of judgement for having a night nanny. Luckily I have a great husband who basically told me to put myself first and I did. Without sleep and without an opportunity to exercise or meet with a friend then a severe depression and can develop. It seems like her husband tried and maybe things went sideways with all the meds. Seraqual is a really powerful drug and cannot believe she was on that with others. Maybe the best thing in retrospect would have been inpatient treatment. Anyway new parents should really prioritize sleep and well being. The best thing you can do for a new mom is offer to watch the baby’s so they can nap or offer to take their other kids (if they have them) out so less chaos in the house.

And maybe don’t have three kids in less than five years. Even though posters will jump on here to claim that their mom had 8 kids and didn’t kill any of them! Still, 3 kids under five in this day and age is bananas. And she wasn’t even old or facing a biological clock. What is the rush? The third clearly out her over the edge because she was seemingly ok with the first two.

So, forced abortions like in China?

You are intentionally being obtuse to PP's point, which I admit wasn't artfully made. But no, PP likely wasn't advocating for forced abortions. For a woman like Clancy--who is among the luckiest of us by having access to more knowledge, money, family/friends, and institutional support than the majority of new mothers--I think it isn't unfair to wonder why she would have so many children so closely given the difficulties she had adjusting to motherhood.

She had the kids because she wanted to them show off and brag about her easy pregnancies and brag about how fertile she is, this is an actual thing. It’s sick. She didn’t think it through, like this is a lifelong commitment, it’s quite messy and not at all glamorous. The babies were all for show, many people are doing this now, having prop babies and pets.

Or maybe she's.... Catholic

Isn’t that kind of old school? Like a woman becoming a nun? Who the hell becomes a nun anymore or a priest for that matter. Get w the times, Catholics use birth control now.

No, practicing Catholics do not. But I'm not that sure they were fully practicing. I've read news stories where their parish priest mentions that he didn't know the Clancys, which tells me they probably didn't go to mass regularly or participate in church ministries/activities.

This is simply not true. American Catholics routinely use birth control and are equally represented in the population of women who get abortions, too. American PRACTICING Catholics. This is a well documented researched phenomenon so I recommend you do some research before asserting inaccuracies.

I recommend YOU do some basic research before asserting inaccuracies.

https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2012/02/guttmacher-statistic-catholic-womens-contraceptive-use

They are not following the tenants of the religion and therefore are not PRACTICING.

It’s “tenets” and they are PRACTICING Catholics. I’m sorry you don’t like it.

If one is INTNTIONALLY breaking the rules of their religion every day they are not PRACTICiNG. Just like if someone eat a bacon cheeseburger every single day, they are not a vegan.
I'm sorry you are incapable of comprehension.

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She can be mentally ill AND evil. Both are possible.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like members of Lindsay’s Army of love are here and passionately defending a child murderer. Babies and children can be slaughtered but the opportunity to defend a homely, white, professionally unaccomplished, pill popping and attention seeking failure must never be squandered. The projection is real.

Gross, no, and no one is passionately defending her personally in the way that you're suggesting. Repulsive.

Yes, they are, vociferously and repeatedly. They’re repulsive.

+100. I can only wonder what kind of family life people like PP have. It can’t be good. With all these new details, only the lowest of the low and personality disordered individuals could defend or empathize with this woman. I can’t even type her name, I’m so horrified and disgusted by her acts and that’s as it should be. Society needs to stop normalizing and excusing psychopathic behavior.

This stuff revealed in the hearing is very disturbing. But I think people really want to reserve judgment because these murders are just so out of the norm. When Bryan Kohberger was arrested, that made sense - angry jealous stalker type. Once we found out about Chris Watts’ affair, that made sense - enraged husband who wanted a new life. (Though I personally believe he only meant to kill his wife, and only killed the kids because he was temporarily insane and thought they would be better off dead than without a mother).

Here, this just doesn’t make sense. If Lindsay regretted having kids, why not just leave her family? Why risk life in prison by murdering them? And if she did decide that murder was the only way, why do it in this manner? She could’ve at least tried the Susan Smith route. Or a car accident, carbon monoxide poisoning, house fire, etc. Why kill them in a way that directly implicates her? And people on here are saying that she didn’t really intend to kill herself because she jumped out a window. But she’s paralyzed from the waist down, so I think she did actually want to die. She could’ve just taken a bottle of benedryl if she really want to “pretend”. It just doesn’t make sense! Either she’s the dumbest killer ever or she really was out of her mind.

At any rate, some of y’all are way too angry with her. Like the pp who said she’s professionally unaccomplished. Way to crap on an entire group of l&d nurses! Are they all professionally unaccomplished?! And she’s not homely. She’s a solid 7, and an 8 in some of her pictures. Of course Ted Bundy was a total smoke show so that doesn’t mean anything… but why go there? Y’all are weird.

She’s a nurse. She would know just how lethal Benedryl is. You don’t have to take that much to die. Regardless I don’t think that people are going to have a lot of sympathy. Even if you are hearing voices you know it’s wrong to act.

Well, this question is likely to be the crux of the trial. I recommend anyone with an AMC+ subscription watch Too Close, a harrowing series about a woman who gradually breaks down and does the unthinkable. https://www.tvinsider.com/show/too-close/