ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone it’s me, the guy who mention grad year for olders showcase. I like to pop
In every once in a while and say hello.

Many pages have gone by and don’t want/care to read it all but noticed a few people or one? Twisting what I’m saying.

So I’ll say it slower.

My friend ECNL Director girls/boys club as well as another buddy works for usclub helping oversee one of the big SoCal soccer leagues.

Has told me what ECNL/RL, MLSN, GA and even big non league college showcases like surf cup are considering is allowing players who are age eligible for U18 ONLY so that would be for players in 25/26 born between Aug-Dec 2008/ Jan-July 2009.
If you fall into this group and are a junior you would be eligible to attend showcases for U17 if you’re a senior you should play showcase matches with U19.

So yes there is the potential for an age difference of 23 months for U17 just like there will be for U19 as the current chart would be Aug 2007-July 2009. Al’s 23 months.

The rationale is at the highest level of youth competition this should not affect player ability as most players have reached growth spurts and such at this point.

It is strongly being considered to start next year and would just be involved within each league or tournament rule book.

It may get tabled until 27/28 to allow for a year for the dust to settle with new age group changes.

Wont happen. Once college coaches get SY again with Aug birthdays playing with their grade in school teams they'll be happy.

Allowing play downs just creates an arms race for parents who will hold their kids back in school. Which means 16 year old Freshman and 20 year old Seniors.

They already have allowed something similar if you look at current trapped player rules for U15/17 ECNL showcases. So it really won’t be as big of a deal as you are making it to be. Also MLSN/ECNL both realize on the boys side they have a big problem with D1 colleges taking the older euro players over there 18 year old seniors.

Don’t be surprised if US Soccer can take over college soccer if they strongly reduce the number of euro players and players from outside the US. They Will also have an age restriction I believe as well which will prevent the hold back issue as well. Have to graduate by 23.

Lots will change over the next few years I hope you’re ready for it.

Also my oldest is playing college soccer currently and her sister is a junior and on her way out, then youth soccer is all over for me as my youngest plays wrestling and baseball.

I have no dog in this fight. Good luck!

[Anonymous]

Well, here are actual rules for non MLSN1.

They don't even collect and verify all kids grades around here. Adding grade doesn't make any sense because it listed on tables from actual clubs around here. It's just one person's hopes and dreams.

Fall 2026 - Spring 2027

U9 Aug 1, 2017 – July 31, 2018
U10 Aug 1, 2016 – July 31, 2017
U11 Aug 1, 2015 – July 31, 2016
U12 Aug 1, 2014 – July 31, 2015
U13 Aug 1, 2013 – July 31, 2014
U14 Aug 1, 2012 – July 31, 2013
U15 Aug 1, 2011 – July 31, 2012
U16 Aug 1, 2010 – July 31, 2011
U17 Aug 1, 2009 – July 31, 2010
U18 Aug 1, 2008 – July 31, 2009
U19 Aug 1, 2007 - July 31, 2008

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone it’s me, the guy who mention grad year for olders showcase. I like to pop
In every once in a while and say hello.

Many pages have gone by and don’t want/care to read it all but noticed a few people or one? Twisting what I’m saying.

So I’ll say it slower.

My friend ECNL Director girls/boys club as well as another buddy works for usclub helping oversee one of the big SoCal soccer leagues.

Has told me what ECNL/RL, MLSN, GA and even big non league college showcases like surf cup are considering is allowing players who are age eligible for U18 ONLY so that would be for players in 25/26 born between Aug-Dec 2008/ Jan-July 2009.
If you fall into this group and are a junior you would be eligible to attend showcases for U17 if you’re a senior you should play showcase matches with U19.

So yes there is the potential for an age difference of 23 months for U17 just like there will be for U19 as the current chart would be Aug 2007-July 2009. Al’s 23 months.

The rationale is at the highest level of youth competition this should not affect player ability as most players have reached growth spurts and such at this point.

It is strongly being considered to start next year and would just be involved within each league or tournament rule book.

It may get tabled until 27/28 to allow for a year for the dust to settle with new age group changes.

Just to clarify NO 36 month age range would be allowed. Only players each year who fall under U18 could play with their correct grade. Because there will not be a U18 age group. Will be U17/19.
So no two year hold backs or anything like that. 23 months would be most allowed and only for what is considered the highest level of competition in youth soccer.

So to qualify you need to be a certain age and a certain grade in school?

Who is going to police players grade in school? Is this something they need to show proof of to play down?

Where have I heard that before? Hmm....

I can only speak for us club side that each director would need to notify the area rep and let them know for showcase they are bringing players who are U18 age eligible but will be attending the U17 showcase. Could there be a numbers restriction per team maybe?? Like less than 3 as is typical for trapped player type rules currently.

Will have to wait and see what they decide… I just know that they are considering this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, here are actual rules for non MLSN1.

They don't even collect and verify all kids grades around here. Adding grade doesn't make any sense because it listed on tables from actual clubs around here. It's just one person's hopes and dreams.

Fall 2026 - Spring 2027

U9 Aug 1, 2017 – July 31, 2018
U10 Aug 1, 2016 – July 31, 2017
U11 Aug 1, 2015 – July 31, 2016
U12 Aug 1, 2014 – July 31, 2015
U13 Aug 1, 2013 – July 31, 2014
U14 Aug 1, 2012 – July 31, 2013
U15 Aug 1, 2011 – July 31, 2012
U16 Aug 1, 2010 – July 31, 2011
U17 Aug 1, 2009 – July 31, 2010
U18 Aug 1, 2008 – July 31, 2009
U19 Aug 1, 2007 - July 31, 2008

Don’t forget they get the ability to do whatever they want for their showcases as well as where biobanding players will go as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone it’s me, the guy who mention grad year for olders showcase. I like to pop
In every once in a while and say hello.

Many pages have gone by and don’t want/care to read it all but noticed a few people or one? Twisting what I’m saying.

So I’ll say it slower.

My friend ECNL Director girls/boys club as well as another buddy works for usclub helping oversee one of the big SoCal soccer leagues.

Has told me what ECNL/RL, MLSN, GA and even big non league college showcases like surf cup are considering is allowing players who are age eligible for U18 ONLY so that would be for players in 25/26 born between Aug-Dec 2008/ Jan-July 2009.
If you fall into this group and are a junior you would be eligible to attend showcases for U17 if you’re a senior you should play showcase matches with U19.

So yes there is the potential for an age difference of 23 months for U17 just like there will be for U19 as the current chart would be Aug 2007-July 2009. Al’s 23 months.

The rationale is at the highest level of youth competition this should not affect player ability as most players have reached growth spurts and such at this point.

It is strongly being considered to start next year and would just be involved within each league or tournament rule book.

It may get tabled until 27/28 to allow for a year for the dust to settle with new age group changes.

Wont happen. Once college coaches get SY again with Aug birthdays playing with their grade in school teams they'll be happy.

Allowing play downs just creates an arms race for parents who will hold their kids back in school. Which means 16 year old Freshman and 20 year old Seniors.

That's the thing, August players aren't going GY and don't make enough of the misaligned players to make it worth the squeeze.

I won't say the upper age category has having anyone playing down, it's more just one large age range (an age range essentially after puberty) broken in grades or graduation year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone it’s me, the guy who mention grad year for olders showcase. I like to pop
In every once in a while and say hello.

Many pages have gone by and don’t want/care to read it all but noticed a few people or one? Twisting what I’m saying.

So I’ll say it slower.

My friend ECNL Director girls/boys club as well as another buddy works for usclub helping oversee one of the big SoCal soccer leagues.

Has told me what ECNL/RL, MLSN, GA and even big non league college showcases like surf cup are considering is allowing players who are age eligible for U18 ONLY so that would be for players in 25/26 born between Aug-Dec 2008/ Jan-July 2009.
If you fall into this group and are a junior you would be eligible to attend showcases for U17 if you’re a senior you should play showcase matches with U19.

So yes there is the potential for an age difference of 23 months for U17 just like there will be for U19 as the current chart would be Aug 2007-July 2009. Al’s 23 months.

The rationale is at the highest level of youth competition this should not affect player ability as most players have reached growth spurts and such at this point.

It is strongly being considered to start next year and would just be involved within each league or tournament rule book.

It may get tabled until 27/28 to allow for a year for the dust to settle with new age group changes.

Wont happen. Once college coaches get SY again with Aug birthdays playing with their grade in school teams they'll be happy.

Allowing play downs just creates an arms race for parents who will hold their kids back in school. Which means 16 year old Freshman and 20 year old Seniors.

Looks like you found the one "pushing" for a 36 month age gap starting rumors and he specifically pointed out that it wouldn't be a 36 month age range, it would be 23. So nobody was ever pushing for a 36 month age range, it was all just a lie by you. Good to have that settled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone it’s me, the guy who mention grad year for olders showcase. I like to pop
In every once in a while and say hello.

Many pages have gone by and don’t want/care to read it all but noticed a few people or one? Twisting what I’m saying.

So I’ll say it slower.

My friend ECNL Director girls/boys club as well as another buddy works for usclub helping oversee one of the big SoCal soccer leagues.

Has told me what ECNL/RL, MLSN, GA and even big non league college showcases like surf cup are considering is allowing players who are age eligible for U18 ONLY so that would be for players in 25/26 born between Aug-Dec 2008/ Jan-July 2009.
If you fall into this group and are a junior you would be eligible to attend showcases for U17 if you’re a senior you should play showcase matches with U19.

So yes there is the potential for an age difference of 23 months for U17 just like there will be for U19 as the current chart would be Aug 2007-July 2009. Al’s 23 months.

The rationale is at the highest level of youth competition this should not affect player ability as most players have reached growth spurts and such at this point.

It is strongly being considered to start next year and would just be involved within each league or tournament rule book.

It may get tabled until 27/28 to allow for a year for the dust to settle with new age group changes.

This makes sense because any player who’s actually able to play D1/2 would have no problem competing with older players. Also aligns better for college recruiting for showcases without effecting younger players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone it’s me, the guy who mention grad year for olders showcase. I like to pop
In every once in a while and say hello.

Many pages have gone by and don’t want/care to read it all but noticed a few people or one? Twisting what I’m saying.

So I’ll say it slower.

My friend ECNL Director girls/boys club as well as another buddy works for usclub helping oversee one of the big SoCal soccer leagues.

Has told me what ECNL/RL, MLSN, GA and even big non league college showcases like surf cup are considering is allowing players who are age eligible for U18 ONLY so that would be for players in 25/26 born between Aug-Dec 2008/ Jan-July 2009.
If you fall into this group and are a junior you would be eligible to attend showcases for U17 if you’re a senior you should play showcase matches with U19.

So yes there is the potential for an age difference of 23 months for U17 just like there will be for U19 as the current chart would be Aug 2007-July 2009. Al’s 23 months.

The rationale is at the highest level of youth competition this should not affect player ability as most players have reached growth spurts and such at this point.

It is strongly being considered to start next year and would just be involved within each league or tournament rule book.

It may get tabled until 27/28 to allow for a year for the dust to settle with new age group changes.

Just to clarify NO 36 month age range would be allowed. Only players each year who fall under U18 could play with their correct grade. Because there will not be a U18 age group. Will be U17/19.
So no two year hold backs or anything like that. 23 months would be most allowed and only for what is considered the highest level of competition in youth soccer.

So to qualify you need to be a certain age and a certain grade in school?

Who is going to police players grade in school? Is this something they need to show proof of to play down?

Where have I heard that before? Hmm....

I can only speak for us club side that each director would need to notify the area rep and let them know for showcase they are bringing players who are U18 age eligible but will be attending the U17 showcase. Could there be a numbers restriction per team maybe?? Like less than 3 as is typical for trapped player type rules currently.

Will have to wait and see what they decide… I just know that they are considering this.

So unregulated biobanding

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone it’s me, the guy who mention grad year for olders showcase. I like to pop
In every once in a while and say hello.

Many pages have gone by and don’t want/care to read it all but noticed a few people or one? Twisting what I’m saying.

So I’ll say it slower.

My friend ECNL Director girls/boys club as well as another buddy works for usclub helping oversee one of the big SoCal soccer leagues.

Has told me what ECNL/RL, MLSN, GA and even big non league college showcases like surf cup are considering is allowing players who are age eligible for U18 ONLY so that would be for players in 25/26 born between Aug-Dec 2008/ Jan-July 2009.
If you fall into this group and are a junior you would be eligible to attend showcases for U17 if you’re a senior you should play showcase matches with U19.

So yes there is the potential for an age difference of 23 months for U17 just like there will be for U19 as the current chart would be Aug 2007-July 2009. Al’s 23 months.

The rationale is at the highest level of youth competition this should not affect player ability as most players have reached growth spurts and such at this point.

It is strongly being considered to start next year and would just be involved within each league or tournament rule book.

It may get tabled until 27/28 to allow for a year for the dust to settle with new age group changes.

This makes sense because any player who’s actually able to play D1/2 would have no problem competing with older players. Also aligns better for college recruiting for showcases without effecting younger players.

It doesn't make sense at all and will cause problems all over the place.

Rankings mean nothing when you can randomly bring down older players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone it’s me, the guy who mention grad year for olders showcase. I like to pop
In every once in a while and say hello.

Many pages have gone by and don’t want/care to read it all but noticed a few people or one? Twisting what I’m saying.

So I’ll say it slower.

My friend ECNL Director girls/boys club as well as another buddy works for usclub helping oversee one of the big SoCal soccer leagues.

Has told me what ECNL/RL, MLSN, GA and even big non league college showcases like surf cup are considering is allowing players who are age eligible for U18 ONLY so that would be for players in 25/26 born between Aug-Dec 2008/ Jan-July 2009.
If you fall into this group and are a junior you would be eligible to attend showcases for U17 if you’re a senior you should play showcase matches with U19.

So yes there is the potential for an age difference of 23 months for U17 just like there will be for U19 as the current chart would be Aug 2007-July 2009. Al’s 23 months.

The rationale is at the highest level of youth competition this should not affect player ability as most players have reached growth spurts and such at this point.

It is strongly being considered to start next year and would just be involved within each league or tournament rule book.

It may get tabled until 27/28 to allow for a year for the dust to settle with new age group changes.

This makes sense because any player who’s actually able to play D1/2 would have no problem competing with older players. Also aligns better for college recruiting for showcases without effecting younger players.

Agree, makes a lot of sense and will help recruiting with a good challenge for the best players who will have to play with older players shortly anyway and will be judges against older transfers and foreign recruits while not causing other problems.

[Anonymous]

Still 100% correct.

This is for next fall when SY starts.

11v11 = U18/U19 = ≤ 8/1/2007 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U17 = ≤ 8/1/2009 ≈ Junior
11v11 = U16 = ≤ 8/1/2010 ≈ Sophmore
11v11 = U15 = ≤ 8/1/2011 ≈ Freshman
11v11 = U14 = ≤ 8/1/2012 ≈ 8th grade
11v11 = U13 = ≤ 8/1/2013 ≈ 7th grade
9v9/11v11 = U12 = ≤ 8/1/2014 ≈ 6th grade
9v9 = U11 = ≤ 8/1/2015 ≈ 5th grade
9v9 = U10 = ≤ 8/1/2016 ≈ 4th grade
7v7 = U9 = ≤ 8/1/2017 ≈ 3rd grade
7v7 = U8 = ≤ 8/1/2018 ≈ 2nd grade
4v4 = U7 = ≤ 8/1/2019 ≈ 1st grade
4v4 = U6 = ≤ 8/1/2020 ≈ Kindergarten

Using U14 as an example what this is saying is...

1. They play 11v11
2. Players turn 14 after Aug 1
3. Players are younger than or equal to 8/1/2012
4. Players are most likely in 8th grade

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone it’s me, the guy who mention grad year for olders showcase. I like to pop
In every once in a while and say hello.

Many pages have gone by and don’t want/care to read it all but noticed a few people or one? Twisting what I’m saying.

So I’ll say it slower.

My friend ECNL Director girls/boys club as well as another buddy works for usclub helping oversee one of the big SoCal soccer leagues.

Has told me what ECNL/RL, MLSN, GA and even big non league college showcases like surf cup are considering is allowing players who are age eligible for U18 ONLY so that would be for players in 25/26 born between Aug-Dec 2008/ Jan-July 2009.
If you fall into this group and are a junior you would be eligible to attend showcases for U17 if you’re a senior you should play showcase matches with U19.

So yes there is the potential for an age difference of 23 months for U17 just like there will be for U19 as the current chart would be Aug 2007-July 2009. Al’s 23 months.

The rationale is at the highest level of youth competition this should not affect player ability as most players have reached growth spurts and such at this point.

It is strongly being considered to start next year and would just be involved within each league or tournament rule book.

It may get tabled until 27/28 to allow for a year for the dust to settle with new age group changes.

This makes sense because any player who’s actually able to play D1/2 would have no problem competing with older players. Also aligns better for college recruiting for showcases without effecting younger players.

Agree, makes a lot of sense and will help recruiting with a good challenge for the best players who will have to play with older players shortly anyway and will be judges against older transfers and foreign recruits while not causing other problems.

No it willl encourage parents to hold their kids back in school. Which is somthing nobody wants to be part of.

Imagine paying your club for multiple years. Then surprise! We're going to replace your kid at showcases so an older player can look good playjng against younger players

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone it’s me, the guy who mention grad year for olders showcase. I like to pop
In every once in a while and say hello.

Many pages have gone by and don’t want/care to read it all but noticed a few people or one? Twisting what I’m saying.

So I’ll say it slower.

My friend ECNL Director girls/boys club as well as another buddy works for usclub helping oversee one of the big SoCal soccer leagues.

Has told me what ECNL/RL, MLSN, GA and even big non league college showcases like surf cup are considering is allowing players who are age eligible for U18 ONLY so that would be for players in 25/26 born between Aug-Dec 2008/ Jan-July 2009.
If you fall into this group and are a junior you would be eligible to attend showcases for U17 if you’re a senior you should play showcase matches with U19.

So yes there is the potential for an age difference of 23 months for U17 just like there will be for U19 as the current chart would be Aug 2007-July 2009. Al’s 23 months.

The rationale is at the highest level of youth competition this should not affect player ability as most players have reached growth spurts and such at this point.

It is strongly being considered to start next year and would just be involved within each league or tournament rule book.

It may get tabled until 27/28 to allow for a year for the dust to settle with new age group changes.

Smart idea for showcases. If you are going to have to compete across a wide age range in college, might as well show what you can do to recruiters. The best with thrive, those complaining about the change didn't have a real shot anyway.

[Anonymous]

The winner.

11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2007-7/31 (May include Senior/Junior)
11v11 = U17 = 8/1/2009 -7/31 (May include Senior/Junior/Sophomore)
11v11 = U16 = 8/1/2010 -7/31 (May include Junior/Sophomore/Freshman)
11v11 = U15 = 8/1/2011 -7/31 (May include Sophomore/Freshman/8th grade)
11v11 = U14 = 8/1/2012 -7/31 (May include Freshman/8th grade/7th grade)
11v11 = U13 = 8/1/2013 -7/31 (May include 8th grade/7th grade/6th grade)
11v11 = U12 = 8/1/2014 -7/31 (May include 7th grade/6th grade/5th grade)
9v9 = U11 = 8/1/2015 -7/31 (May include 6th grade/5th grade/4th grade)
9v9 = U10 = 8/1/2016 -7/31 (May include 5th grade/4th grade/3rd grade)
7v7 = U9 = 8/1/2017 -7/31 (May include 4th grade/3rd grade/2nd grade
7v7 = U8 = 8/1/2018 -7/31 (May include 3rd grade/2nd grade/1st grade
4v4 = U7 = 8/1/2019 -7/31 (May include 2nd/grade/1st grade/kindergarten)
4v4 = U6 = 8/1/2020 -7/31 (May include 1st grade/kindergarten/Pre-school)

[Anonymous]

100% correct

This one is for next fall when SY starts.

U18/U19; 8/1/2007 - 7/31/2009 ~ Senior
U17; 8/1/2009 - 7/31/2010 ~ Senior
U16; 8/1/2010 - 7/31/2011 ~ Junior
U15; 8/1/2011 - 7/31/2012 ~ Sophomore
U14; 8/1/2012 - 7/31/2013 ~ Freshman
U13; 8/1/2013 - 7/31/2014 ~ 8th
U12; 8/1/2014 - 7/31/2015 ~ 7th
U11; 8/1/2015 - 7/31/2016 ~ 6th
U10; 8/1/2016 - 7/31/2017~ 5th
U9; 8/1/2017 - 7/31/2018 ~ 4th
U8; 8/1/2018 - 7/31/2019 ~ 3rd
U7; 8/1/2019 - 7/31/2020 ~ 2nd
U6; 8/1/2020 - 7/31/2021 ~ 1st

Using U14 as an example what this is saying is...

1. They play 11v11
2. Players turn 14 after Aug 1
3. Players are younger than or equal to 8/1/2012
4. Players are most likely Freshman or younger