ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone it’s me, the guy who mention grad year for olders showcase. I like to pop
In every once in a while and say hello.

Many pages have gone by and don’t want/care to read it all but noticed a few people or one? Twisting what I’m saying.

So I’ll say it slower.

My friend ECNL Director girls/boys club as well as another buddy works for usclub helping oversee one of the big SoCal soccer leagues.

Has told me what ECNL/RL, MLSN, GA and even big non league college showcases like surf cup are considering is allowing players who are age eligible for U18 ONLY so that would be for players in 25/26 born between Aug-Dec 2008/ Jan-July 2009.
If you fall into this group and are a junior you would be eligible to attend showcases for U17 if you’re a senior you should play showcase matches with U19.

So yes there is the potential for an age difference of 23 months for U17 just like there will be for U19 as the current chart would be Aug 2007-July 2009. Al’s 23 months.

The rationale is at the highest level of youth competition this should not affect player ability as most players have reached growth spurts and such at this point.

It is strongly being considered to start next year and would just be involved within each league or tournament rule book.

It may get tabled until 27/28 to allow for a year for the dust to settle with new age group changes.

This makes sense because any player who’s actually able to play D1/2 would have no problem competing with older players. Also aligns better for college recruiting for showcases without effecting younger players.

Agree, makes a lot of sense and will help recruiting with a good challenge for the best players who will have to play with older players shortly anyway and will be judges against older transfers and foreign recruits while not causing other problems.

No it willl encourage parents to hold their kids back in school. Which is somthing nobody wants to be part of.

Imagine paying your club for multiple years. Then surprise! We're going to replace your kid at showcases so an older player can look good playjng against younger players

Won’t encourage holdbacks as players still have to meet the age eligibility window for U18. Don’t see girls getting held back either. If anything more start school a year or so early.

Players with Jan to July bdays during BY could have been held back this whole time as u19 has always been outside the 12 month age window. This will just extend to U17. If your kid is actually good don’t worry about it. The only parents complaining are the ones losing their spot which they are replaced by a mother kid so it all equals out for the clubs bottom line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone it’s me, the guy who mention grad year for olders showcase. I like to pop
In every once in a while and say hello.

Many pages have gone by and don’t want/care to read it all but noticed a few people or one? Twisting what I’m saying.

So I’ll say it slower.

My friend ECNL Director girls/boys club as well as another buddy works for usclub helping oversee one of the big SoCal soccer leagues.

Has told me what ECNL/RL, MLSN, GA and even big non league college showcases like surf cup are considering is allowing players who are age eligible for U18 ONLY so that would be for players in 25/26 born between Aug-Dec 2008/ Jan-July 2009.
If you fall into this group and are a junior you would be eligible to attend showcases for U17 if you’re a senior you should play showcase matches with U19.

So yes there is the potential for an age difference of 23 months for U17 just like there will be for U19 as the current chart would be Aug 2007-July 2009. Al’s 23 months.

The rationale is at the highest level of youth competition this should not affect player ability as most players have reached growth spurts and such at this point.

It is strongly being considered to start next year and would just be involved within each league or tournament rule book.

It may get tabled until 27/28 to allow for a year for the dust to settle with new age group changes.

Smart idea for showcases. If you are going to have to compete across a wide age range in college, might as well show what you can do to recruiters. The best with thrive, those complaining about the change didn't have a real shot anyway.

Yup!

[Anonymous]

So who are rhe winners and losers when playing down?

Winners....
1. Holdbacks
2. College coaches see more players
3. Clubs might get more commitrments. But this is negligible because players that might have been. recruited are sitting on the bench because of the play downs.

Losers.
1. Correct grade players (if they wanted to play up they would have played up)
2. Parents of correct grade players. Imagine not getting any minutes at a showcase that you paid for becauae older players are playing down.
3. Rankings. How do rank games with play downs for a limited number of games during the season?
4. Everyone because playing down will be normalized and become table stakes for getting recruited.
5. Players whos parents force them to be a holdback to potentially get less cost college.

This is just scratching the surface. Theres 10x more reasons why allowing play downs is a bad idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone it’s me, the guy who mention grad year for olders showcase. I like to pop
In every once in a while and say hello.

Many pages have gone by and don’t want/care to read it all but noticed a few people or one? Twisting what I’m saying.

So I’ll say it slower.

My friend ECNL Director girls/boys club as well as another buddy works for usclub helping oversee one of the big SoCal soccer leagues.

Has told me what ECNL/RL, MLSN, GA and even big non league college showcases like surf cup are considering is allowing players who are age eligible for U18 ONLY so that would be for players in 25/26 born between Aug-Dec 2008/ Jan-July 2009.
If you fall into this group and are a junior you would be eligible to attend showcases for U17 if you’re a senior you should play showcase matches with U19.

So yes there is the potential for an age difference of 23 months for U17 just like there will be for U19 as the current chart would be Aug 2007-July 2009. Al’s 23 months.

The rationale is at the highest level of youth competition this should not affect player ability as most players have reached growth spurts and such at this point.

It is strongly being considered to start next year and would just be involved within each league or tournament rule book.

It may get tabled until 27/28 to allow for a year for the dust to settle with new age group changes.

This makes sense because any player who’s actually able to play D1/2 would have no problem competing with older players. Also aligns better for college recruiting for showcases without effecting younger players.

Agree, makes a lot of sense and will help recruiting with a good challenge for the best players who will have to play with older players shortly anyway and will be judges against older transfers and foreign recruits while not causing other problems.

No it willl encourage parents to hold their kids back in school. Which is somthing nobody wants to be part of.

Imagine paying your club for multiple years. Then surprise! We're going to replace your kid at showcases so an older player can look good playjng against younger players

Won’t encourage holdbacks as players still have to meet the age eligibility window for U18. Don’t see girls getting held back either. If anything more start school a year or so early.

Players with Jan to July bdays during BY could have been held back this whole time as u19 has always been outside the 12 month age window. This will just extend to U17. If your kid is actually good don’t worry about it. The only parents complaining are the ones losing their spot which they are replaced by a mother kid so it all equals out for the clubs bottom line.

Ahh no.

All clubs have done is replace a paying customer for an unknown that may or may not pay.

Very poor business decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone it’s me, the guy who mention grad year for olders showcase. I like to pop
In every once in a while and say hello.

Many pages have gone by and don’t want/care to read it all but noticed a few people or one? Twisting what I’m saying.

So I’ll say it slower.

My friend ECNL Director girls/boys club as well as another buddy works for usclub helping oversee one of the big SoCal soccer leagues.

Has told me what ECNL/RL, MLSN, GA and even big non league college showcases like surf cup are considering is allowing players who are age eligible for U18 ONLY so that would be for players in 25/26 born between Aug-Dec 2008/ Jan-July 2009.
If you fall into this group and are a junior you would be eligible to attend showcases for U17 if you’re a senior you should play showcase matches with U19.

So yes there is the potential for an age difference of 23 months for U17 just like there will be for U19 as the current chart would be Aug 2007-July 2009. Al’s 23 months.

The rationale is at the highest level of youth competition this should not affect player ability as most players have reached growth spurts and such at this point.

It is strongly being considered to start next year and would just be involved within each league or tournament rule book.

It may get tabled until 27/28 to allow for a year for the dust to settle with new age group changes.

This makes sense because any player who’s actually able to play D1/2 would have no problem competing with older players. Also aligns better for college recruiting for showcases without effecting younger players.

Agree, makes a lot of sense and will help recruiting with a good challenge for the best players who will have to play with older players shortly anyway and will be judges against older transfers and foreign recruits while not causing other problems.

No it willl encourage parents to hold their kids back in school. Which is somthing nobody wants to be part of.

Imagine paying your club for multiple years. Then surprise! We're going to replace your kid at showcases so an older player can look good playjng against younger players

Won’t encourage holdbacks as players still have to meet the age eligibility window for U18. Don’t see girls getting held back either. If anything more start school a year or so early.

Players with Jan to July bdays during BY could have been held back this whole time as u19 has always been outside the 12 month age window. This will just extend to U17. If your kid is actually good don’t worry about it. The only parents complaining are the ones losing their spot which they are replaced by a mother kid so it all equals out for the clubs bottom line.

Ahh no.

All clubs have done is replace a paying customer for an unknown that may or may not pay.

Very poor business decision.

To win a showcase game which isnt supposed to matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone it’s me, the guy who mention grad year for olders showcase. I like to pop
In every once in a while and say hello.

Many pages have gone by and don’t want/care to read it all but noticed a few people or one? Twisting what I’m saying.

So I’ll say it slower.

My friend ECNL Director girls/boys club as well as another buddy works for usclub helping oversee one of the big SoCal soccer leagues.

Has told me what ECNL/RL, MLSN, GA and even big non league college showcases like surf cup are considering is allowing players who are age eligible for U18 ONLY so that would be for players in 25/26 born between Aug-Dec 2008/ Jan-July 2009.
If you fall into this group and are a junior you would be eligible to attend showcases for U17 if you’re a senior you should play showcase matches with U19.

So yes there is the potential for an age difference of 23 months for U17 just like there will be for U19 as the current chart would be Aug 2007-July 2009. Al’s 23 months.

The rationale is at the highest level of youth competition this should not affect player ability as most players have reached growth spurts and such at this point.

It is strongly being considered to start next year and would just be involved within each league or tournament rule book.

It may get tabled until 27/28 to allow for a year for the dust to settle with new age group changes.

This makes sense because any player who’s actually able to play D1/2 would have no problem competing with older players. Also aligns better for college recruiting for showcases without effecting younger players.

Agree, makes a lot of sense and will help recruiting with a good challenge for the best players who will have to play with older players shortly anyway and will be judges against older transfers and foreign recruits while not causing other problems.

No it willl encourage parents to hold their kids back in school. Which is somthing nobody wants to be part of.

Imagine paying your club for multiple years. Then surprise! We're going to replace your kid at showcases so an older player can look good playjng against younger players

Won’t encourage holdbacks as players still have to meet the age eligibility window for U18. Don’t see girls getting held back either. If anything more start school a year or so early.

Players with Jan to July bdays during BY could have been held back this whole time as u19 has always been outside the 12 month age window. This will just extend to U17. If your kid is actually good don’t worry about it. The only parents complaining are the ones losing their spot which they are replaced by a mother kid so it all equals out for the clubs bottom line.

Ahh no.

All clubs have done is replace a paying customer for an unknown that may or may not pay.

Very poor business decision.

Nah, kids get replaced by better players all the time on the roster or starting lineup. College soccer payoff is well below the effort of the small advantage of being held back.

Your fears are your anxiety not a prophecy for the a negative outcome that will not come to fruition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So who are rhe winners and losers when playing down?

Winners....
1. Holdbacks
2. College coaches see more players
3. Clubs might get more commitrments. But this is negligible because players that might have been. recruited are sitting on the bench because of the play downs.

Losers.
1. Correct grade players (if they wanted to play up they would have played up)
2. Parents of correct grade players. Imagine not getting any minutes at a showcase that you paid for becauae older players are playing down.
3. Rankings. How do rank games with play downs for a limited number of games during the season?
4. Everyone because playing down will be normalized and become table stakes for getting recruited.
5. Players whos parents force them to be a holdback to potentially get less cost college.

This is just scratching the surface. Theres 10x more reasons why allowing play downs is a bad idea.

In total, the gains outweighs costs on this one for clubs, colleges and the best players. Full speed ahead for olders playing grade at showcases.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone it’s me, the guy who mention grad year for olders showcase. I like to pop
In every once in a while and say hello.

Many pages have gone by and don’t want/care to read it all but noticed a few people or one? Twisting what I’m saying.

So I’ll say it slower.

My friend ECNL Director girls/boys club as well as another buddy works for usclub helping oversee one of the big SoCal soccer leagues.

Has told me what ECNL/RL, MLSN, GA and even big non league college showcases like surf cup are considering is allowing players who are age eligible for U18 ONLY so that would be for players in 25/26 born between Aug-Dec 2008/ Jan-July 2009.
If you fall into this group and are a junior you would be eligible to attend showcases for U17 if you’re a senior you should play showcase matches with U19.

So yes there is the potential for an age difference of 23 months for U17 just like there will be for U19 as the current chart would be Aug 2007-July 2009. Al’s 23 months.

The rationale is at the highest level of youth competition this should not affect player ability as most players have reached growth spurts and such at this point.

It is strongly being considered to start next year and would just be involved within each league or tournament rule book.

It may get tabled until 27/28 to allow for a year for the dust to settle with new age group changes.

This makes sense because any player who’s actually able to play D1/2 would have no problem competing with older players. Also aligns better for college recruiting for showcases without effecting younger players.

Agree, makes a lot of sense and will help recruiting with a good challenge for the best players who will have to play with older players shortly anyway and will be judges against older transfers and foreign recruits while not causing other problems.

No it willl encourage parents to hold their kids back in school. Which is somthing nobody wants to be part of.

Imagine paying your club for multiple years. Then surprise! We're going to replace your kid at showcases so an older player can look good playjng against younger players

Won’t encourage holdbacks as players still have to meet the age eligibility window for U18. Don’t see girls getting held back either. If anything more start school a year or so early.

Players with Jan to July bdays during BY could have been held back this whole time as u19 has always been outside the 12 month age window. This will just extend to U17. If your kid is actually good don’t worry about it. The only parents complaining are the ones losing their spot which they are replaced by a mother kid so it all equals out for the clubs bottom line.

Ahh no.

All clubs have done is replace a paying customer for an unknown that may or may not pay.

Very poor business decision.

Nah, kids get replaced by better players all the time on the roster or starting lineup. College soccer payoff is well below the effort of the small advantage of being held back.

Your fears are your anxiety not a prophecy for the a negative outcome that will not come to fruition.

What you dont understand is that playdowns dont pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So who are rhe winners and losers when playing down?

Winners....
1. Holdbacks
2. College coaches see more players
3. Clubs might get more commitrments. But this is negligible because players that might have been. recruited are sitting on the bench because of the play downs.

Losers.
1. Correct grade players (if they wanted to play up they would have played up)
2. Parents of correct grade players. Imagine not getting any minutes at a showcase that you paid for becauae older players are playing down.
3. Rankings. How do rank games with play downs for a limited number of games during the season?
4. Everyone because playing down will be normalized and become table stakes for getting recruited.
5. Players whos parents force them to be a holdback to potentially get less cost college.

This is just scratching the surface. Theres 10x more reasons why allowing play downs is a bad idea.

In total, the gains outweighs costs on this one for clubs, colleges and the best players. Full speed ahead for olders playing grade at showcases.

No they dont.

Clubs will lose money because playdowns dont pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone it’s me, the guy who mention grad year for olders showcase. I like to pop
In every once in a while and say hello.

Many pages have gone by and don’t want/care to read it all but noticed a few people or one? Twisting what I’m saying.

So I’ll say it slower.

My friend ECNL Director girls/boys club as well as another buddy works for usclub helping oversee one of the big SoCal soccer leagues.

Has told me what ECNL/RL, MLSN, GA and even big non league college showcases like surf cup are considering is allowing players who are age eligible for U18 ONLY so that would be for players in 25/26 born between Aug-Dec 2008/ Jan-July 2009.
If you fall into this group and are a junior you would be eligible to attend showcases for U17 if you’re a senior you should play showcase matches with U19.

So yes there is the potential for an age difference of 23 months for U17 just like there will be for U19 as the current chart would be Aug 2007-July 2009. Al’s 23 months.

The rationale is at the highest level of youth competition this should not affect player ability as most players have reached growth spurts and such at this point.

It is strongly being considered to start next year and would just be involved within each league or tournament rule book.

It may get tabled until 27/28 to allow for a year for the dust to settle with new age group changes.

This makes sense because any player who’s actually able to play D1/2 would have no problem competing with older players. Also aligns better for college recruiting for showcases without effecting younger players.

Agree, makes a lot of sense and will help recruiting with a good challenge for the best players who will have to play with older players shortly anyway and will be judges against older transfers and foreign recruits while not causing other problems.

No it willl encourage parents to hold their kids back in school. Which is somthing nobody wants to be part of.

Imagine paying your club for multiple years. Then surprise! We're going to replace your kid at showcases so an older player can look good playjng against younger players

Won’t encourage holdbacks as players still have to meet the age eligibility window for U18. Don’t see girls getting held back either. If anything more start school a year or so early.

Players with Jan to July bdays during BY could have been held back this whole time as u19 has always been outside the 12 month age window. This will just extend to U17. If your kid is actually good don’t worry about it. The only parents complaining are the ones losing their spot which they are replaced by a mother kid so it all equals out for the clubs bottom line.

Ahh no.

All clubs have done is replace a paying customer for an unknown that may or may not pay.

Very poor business decision.

Nah, kids get replaced by better players all the time on the roster or starting lineup. College soccer payoff is well below the effort of the small advantage of being held back.

Your fears are your anxiety not a prophecy for the a negative outcome that will not come to fruition.

What you dont understand is that playdowns dont pay.

Rubbish, there are no play downs because the oldest showcases will be grade based (senior can't play on junior team) and they all pay the club unless getting fin aid.

Man, you are reaching. Take it up with the leagues and not the forum if you are looking for any results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone it’s me, the guy who mention grad year for olders showcase. I like to pop
In every once in a while and say hello.

Many pages have gone by and don’t want/care to read it all but noticed a few people or one? Twisting what I’m saying.

So I’ll say it slower.

My friend ECNL Director girls/boys club as well as another buddy works for usclub helping oversee one of the big SoCal soccer leagues.

Has told me what ECNL/RL, MLSN, GA and even big non league college showcases like surf cup are considering is allowing players who are age eligible for U18 ONLY so that would be for players in 25/26 born between Aug-Dec 2008/ Jan-July 2009.
If you fall into this group and are a junior you would be eligible to attend showcases for U17 if you’re a senior you should play showcase matches with U19.

So yes there is the potential for an age difference of 23 months for U17 just like there will be for U19 as the current chart would be Aug 2007-July 2009. Al’s 23 months.

The rationale is at the highest level of youth competition this should not affect player ability as most players have reached growth spurts and such at this point.

It is strongly being considered to start next year and would just be involved within each league or tournament rule book.

It may get tabled until 27/28 to allow for a year for the dust to settle with new age group changes.

This makes sense because any player who’s actually able to play D1/2 would have no problem competing with older players. Also aligns better for college recruiting for showcases without effecting younger players.

Agree, makes a lot of sense and will help recruiting with a good challenge for the best players who will have to play with older players shortly anyway and will be judges against older transfers and foreign recruits while not causing other problems.

No it willl encourage parents to hold their kids back in school. Which is somthing nobody wants to be part of.

Imagine paying your club for multiple years. Then surprise! We're going to replace your kid at showcases so an older player can look good playjng against younger players

Won’t encourage holdbacks as players still have to meet the age eligibility window for U18. Don’t see girls getting held back either. If anything more start school a year or so early.

Players with Jan to July bdays during BY could have been held back this whole time as u19 has always been outside the 12 month age window. This will just extend to U17. If your kid is actually good don’t worry about it. The only parents complaining are the ones losing their spot which they are replaced by a mother kid so it all equals out for the clubs bottom line.

Ahh no.

All clubs have done is replace a paying customer for an unknown that may or may not pay.

Very poor business decision.

Nah, kids get replaced by better players all the time on the roster or starting lineup. College soccer payoff is well below the effort of the small advantage of being held back.

Your fears are your anxiety not a prophecy for the a negative outcome that will not come to fruition.

What you dont understand is that playdowns dont pay.

Rubbish, there are no play downs because the oldest showcases will be grade based (senior can't play on junior team) and they all pay the club unless getting fin aid.

Man, you are reaching. Take it up with the leagues and not the forum if you are looking for any results.

The people willing to cheat to get what they want will jump ship in a heartbeat. Cheaters dont suddenly start playing by the rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So who are rhe winners and losers when playing down?

Winners....
1. Holdbacks
2. College coaches see more players
3. Clubs might get more commitrments. But this is negligible because players that might have been. recruited are sitting on the bench because of the play downs.

Losers.
1. Correct grade players (if they wanted to play up they would have played up)
2. Parents of correct grade players. Imagine not getting any minutes at a showcase that you paid for becauae older players are playing down.
3. Rankings. How do rank games with play downs for a limited number of games during the season?
4. Everyone because playing down will be normalized and become table stakes for getting recruited.
5. Players whos parents force them to be a holdback to potentially get less cost college.

This is just scratching the surface. Theres 10x more reasons why allowing play downs is a bad idea.

In total, the gains outweighs costs on this one for clubs, colleges and the best players. Full speed ahead for olders playing grade at showcases.

No they dont.

Clubs will lose money because playdowns dont pay.

You funny. Playing down isn't allowed and players pay to be in the club not on a specific team. Players can get promoted or demoted at any point during the year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone it’s me, the guy who mention grad year for olders showcase. I like to pop
In every once in a while and say hello.

Many pages have gone by and don’t want/care to read it all but noticed a few people or one? Twisting what I’m saying.

So I’ll say it slower.

My friend ECNL Director girls/boys club as well as another buddy works for usclub helping oversee one of the big SoCal soccer leagues.

Has told me what ECNL/RL, MLSN, GA and even big non league college showcases like surf cup are considering is allowing players who are age eligible for U18 ONLY so that would be for players in 25/26 born between Aug-Dec 2008/ Jan-July 2009.
If you fall into this group and are a junior you would be eligible to attend showcases for U17 if you’re a senior you should play showcase matches with U19.

So yes there is the potential for an age difference of 23 months for U17 just like there will be for U19 as the current chart would be Aug 2007-July 2009. Al’s 23 months.

The rationale is at the highest level of youth competition this should not affect player ability as most players have reached growth spurts and such at this point.

It is strongly being considered to start next year and would just be involved within each league or tournament rule book.

It may get tabled until 27/28 to allow for a year for the dust to settle with new age group changes.

This makes sense because any player who’s actually able to play D1/2 would have no problem competing with older players. Also aligns better for college recruiting for showcases without effecting younger players.

Agree, makes a lot of sense and will help recruiting with a good challenge for the best players who will have to play with older players shortly anyway and will be judges against older transfers and foreign recruits while not causing other problems.

No it willl encourage parents to hold their kids back in school. Which is somthing nobody wants to be part of.

Imagine paying your club for multiple years. Then surprise! We're going to replace your kid at showcases so an older player can look good playjng against younger players

Won’t encourage holdbacks as players still have to meet the age eligibility window for U18. Don’t see girls getting held back either. If anything more start school a year or so early.

Players with Jan to July bdays during BY could have been held back this whole time as u19 has always been outside the 12 month age window. This will just extend to U17. If your kid is actually good don’t worry about it. The only parents complaining are the ones losing their spot which they are replaced by a mother kid so it all equals out for the clubs bottom line.

Ahh no.

All clubs have done is replace a paying customer for an unknown that may or may not pay.

Very poor business decision.

Nah, kids get replaced by better players all the time on the roster or starting lineup. College soccer payoff is well below the effort of the small advantage of being held back.

Your fears are your anxiety not a prophecy for the a negative outcome that will not come to fruition.

What you dont understand is that playdowns dont pay.

Rubbish, there are no play downs because the oldest showcases will be grade based (senior can't play on junior team) and they all pay the club unless getting fin aid.

Man, you are reaching. Take it up with the leagues and not the forum if you are looking for any results.

The people willing to cheat to get what they want will jump ship in a heartbeat. Cheaters dont suddenly start playing by the rules.

For you, it seems whoever competes against your DD is a cheater. You want grade, you don't want grade; in the end pushing for whatever protects your DD from competing seems like cheating to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So who are rhe winners and losers when playing down?

Winners....
1. Holdbacks
2. College coaches see more players
3. Clubs might get more commitrments. But this is negligible because players that might have been. recruited are sitting on the bench because of the play downs.

Losers.
1. Correct grade players (if they wanted to play up they would have played up)
2. Parents of correct grade players. Imagine not getting any minutes at a showcase that you paid for becauae older players are playing down.
3. Rankings. How do rank games with play downs for a limited number of games during the season?
4. Everyone because playing down will be normalized and become table stakes for getting recruited.
5. Players whos parents force them to be a holdback to potentially get less cost college.

This is just scratching the surface. Theres 10x more reasons why allowing play downs is a bad idea.

In total, the gains outweighs costs on this one for clubs, colleges and the best players. Full speed ahead for olders playing grade at showcases.

No they dont.

Clubs will lose money because playdowns dont pay.

You funny. Playing down isn't allowed and players pay to be in the club not on a specific team. Players can get promoted or demoted at any point during the year.

This is not what the rules say. In GA you pay for the year.In ECNL you pay for the year but can be moved between NL and.RL.

imagine paying for the year then getting bumped midway through the season for an older player. Who is already in the club and playing for their years dues or from another club and likely shopping for a free ride.

Again poor choice by the club. You make less money with holdbacks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone it’s me, the guy who mention grad year for olders showcase. I like to pop
In every once in a while and say hello.

Many pages have gone by and don’t want/care to read it all but noticed a few people or one? Twisting what I’m saying.

So I’ll say it slower.

My friend ECNL Director girls/boys club as well as another buddy works for usclub helping oversee one of the big SoCal soccer leagues.

Has told me what ECNL/RL, MLSN, GA and even big non league college showcases like surf cup are considering is allowing players who are age eligible for U18 ONLY so that would be for players in 25/26 born between Aug-Dec 2008/ Jan-July 2009.
If you fall into this group and are a junior you would be eligible to attend showcases for U17 if you’re a senior you should play showcase matches with U19.

So yes there is the potential for an age difference of 23 months for U17 just like there will be for U19 as the current chart would be Aug 2007-July 2009. Al’s 23 months.

The rationale is at the highest level of youth competition this should not affect player ability as most players have reached growth spurts and such at this point.

It is strongly being considered to start next year and would just be involved within each league or tournament rule book.

It may get tabled until 27/28 to allow for a year for the dust to settle with new age group changes.

This makes sense because any player who’s actually able to play D1/2 would have no problem competing with older players. Also aligns better for college recruiting for showcases without effecting younger players.

Agree, makes a lot of sense and will help recruiting with a good challenge for the best players who will have to play with older players shortly anyway and will be judges against older transfers and foreign recruits while not causing other problems.

No it willl encourage parents to hold their kids back in school. Which is somthing nobody wants to be part of.

Imagine paying your club for multiple years. Then surprise! We're going to replace your kid at showcases so an older player can look good playjng against younger players

Won’t encourage holdbacks as players still have to meet the age eligibility window for U18. Don’t see girls getting held back either. If anything more start school a year or so early.

Players with Jan to July bdays during BY could have been held back this whole time as u19 has always been outside the 12 month age window. This will just extend to U17. If your kid is actually good don’t worry about it. The only parents complaining are the ones losing their spot which they are replaced by a mother kid so it all equals out for the clubs bottom line.

Ahh no.

All clubs have done is replace a paying customer for an unknown that may or may not pay.

Very poor business decision.

Nah, kids get replaced by better players all the time on the roster or starting lineup. College soccer payoff is well below the effort of the small advantage of being held back.

Your fears are your anxiety not a prophecy for the a negative outcome that will not come to fruition.

What you dont understand is that playdowns dont pay.

Rubbish, there are no play downs because the oldest showcases will be grade based (senior can't play on junior team) and they all pay the club unless getting fin aid.

Man, you are reaching. Take it up with the leagues and not the forum if you are looking for any results.

The people willing to cheat to get what they want will jump ship in a heartbeat. Cheaters dont suddenly start playing by the rules.

For you, it seems whoever competes against your DD is a cheater. You want grade, you don't want grade; in the end pushing for whatever protects your DD from competing seems like cheating to me.

Yes looking for ways to play down against younger players is cheating.