Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread

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Anonymous wrote:Granted I didn't watch the interview, but it's kinda shitty that he made her appear on national television, judging from people's observations here. It doesn't sound like she is a Kellyanne Conway type, who relishes media appearances.

This reminds me of the Good Wife. But, much, much worse.

I don't feel bad for her-- she had to know what she was marrying. But I do feel terrible for their daughters.

Meh. Not necessarily. Guys like Kavanaugh and his crew know how to be charming, articulate, and put on a good show - it's no doubt part of what was stressed at Georgetown Prep. They know how to keep their hijinks private and in their circle and they crush anyone who dares violate that code.

It's entirely possible, that Mrs. Kavanaugh really didn't know who she was marrying. No doubt Brett was a charming and dashing beau who seemed to be going places. He kept his past behavior private - as did everyone him. I do feel sorry for her and for their daughters.

+1. She met him long after high school and college. She probably had no idea about this side of him.

Let’s drop the misogyny that lies in blaming the wife and saying she should have known. She shouldn’t be a part of it. He shouldn’t be dragging her in front of cameras. It’s a way of invoking the “how dare you hurt my lovely family” defense. Nor should people be saying she knew and deserves any pain. Kids and wives should be left out of attacks.

You should know that there are many women who would want to be beside their husband to support him, given these terrible unsubstantiated accusations. You don't know that she was forced to be there.

+ 1 Also, the posters here who have already decided he's guilty would have had a field day if his wife did not show up.

She shows up: He forced her to show up.
She doesn't: See....she doesn't believe her own husband.

The guy has been tried, found guilty, and sentenced by you people - and we haven't even heard his accuser speak.

No, I want to hear his explanation under oath for the Renata alum. Even Renata, who signed the letter supporting him, now says the obvious insinuation is hurtful.
You can't reconcile the Renata alum entry in the yearbook with his teetotalling virgin to borrow a phrase from another poster.

Actually I can. The biggest braggers in high school (and college) were overcompensating for their lack of experience.

And if that's the explanation, I want to hear it from Kavanaugh.

This is getting a bit out there.

Have you never heard of locker room talk?

Personally I abhor it but to grill someone on braggadocio statements for an audience of his all male classmates that were made 35 years ago seems ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:From another Renate alum's page: Michael Walsh, another student at Georgetown Prep, also wrote "Renate Alumnus" on his yearbook page, the Times reports. He also included a short poem, "You need a date / and it's getting late / so don't hesitate / to call Renate."

So they are slut shaming this girl. Call a spade a spade.

Somehow that jingle strikes a nerve in me harder than the sexual assaults. Completely gratuitous cruelty.

Wait. I'm confused. So Kavanaugh didn't write the poem, but another boy did? This seems more a criticism of the culture at GP in general.

Maybe, but he was actively participating in that culture -- throwing the Renate Alumnius item in his yearbook biography. It just makes me really sad that they were talking about this poor girl that way. I can't say it's entirely rational. Objectively, pinning a woman down and covering her mouth while you grope her and shoving your dick in a drunk woman's face are both worse than this Renate thing. And yet the Renate taunting, even if done behind her back (perhaps moreso done behind her back) makes me angrier than hearing about the assaults.

Yes. The critical point on the Renate thing being, we have as other posters have pointed out no proof about Ford et. al. It's merely his word against hers. But the Renate thing is in writing, in black and white, and can't be denied. Now it *can* be minimized depending on how gullible the audience wants to be. But the insinuation is clear. Even Renate, who formerly signed the letter supporting Kav, said the insinuation is clear and hurtful.

He can't claim the teetotalling innocent virgin AND explain away the other evidence of drunken partying and misogyny. It just doesn't add up.

He would have been better off saying from the beginning that he was part of a hard partying drunken group of friends but never, ever touched or engaged in romantic or sexual activity any girl *against her will*. And leave it at that.

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Kavanaugh is choking up on TV because he is going to maybe have to repay whoever cleared bis debts.
He speaks about listening to both sides, but Brian Hundley, a dentist killed by DC cops isn't here to speak his side; Kavanaugh dismissed the conviction of the involved officer

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Going out on a limb like that and saying you were a virgin until your mid-20s is not only embarrassing to have to disclose to the entire country, but it would be a lie easily exposed. All it would take is one liberal Yale classmate (or GP) to come forward.

It's really, really weird of him to think that being or not being a virgin has anything to do with whether he assaulted women.

This! Do you really want a judge on the Supreme Court that says sexual assault has to be penetration!? What about a child who is fondled by an adult? I guess that’s not sexual assault then in his eyes Really this is a judge you want on our supreme court? He’s not qualified.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry if this has been discussed before, but does anyone else think kavanaugh has some psychopathic tendencies? Not the stereotypical psychopathic killer, but the lying, lack of empathy, ability to use a social situation, seems charming to get what he wants or get ahead?

Why the hell lie about that being a virgin until his mid-20s? I was relatively late. There's no shame, but nobody believes that for a moment. WaPo said he refused to answer sexual proclivity and drinking questions during his practice debate. So being virginal is the only way to push those questions off?

You are disgusting. Truly.
Psychopath? Are you f’ing kidding me?
You are also accusing him of lying about a very personal choice he made. How in the hell do you know what he is lying about?

And, had you read the WaPo thoroughly,.... you would have seen that he refused to answer questions THAT WENT OVER THE LINE. As the questioners expected him to do.

You are insufferable.

He refused to answer if he boofed a girl as a freshman in college or if he aided in drunk-training an underclassman in high school. He may have refused to answer those in moot at the white house, but he will have to answer those questions on Thursday.

Not necessarily. The Republicans are likely to rule a lot of those questions out of order. PP above, who thinks he may have psychopathic tendencies. I'm not even sure he'd fail a polygraph. Don't psychopaths have the opposite reaction to stress? - their heart rate stays remarkable constant when they lie?

I did read the article. It said he grew frustrated and angry when asked about his drinking and sexual proclivities. Declaring he was a virgin the entire time is a totally new reaction to the past week. It would have come up earlier and WH staff would have mentioned that he was virginal during high school when they commented.

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Anonymous wrote:Granted I didn't watch the interview, but it's kinda shitty that he made her appear on national television, judging from people's observations here. It doesn't sound like she is a Kellyanne Conway type, who relishes media appearances.

This reminds me of the Good Wife. But, much, much worse.

I don't feel bad for her-- she had to know what she was marrying. But I do feel terrible for their daughters.

Meh. Not necessarily. Guys like Kavanaugh and his crew know how to be charming, articulate, and put on a good show - it's no doubt part of what was stressed at Georgetown Prep. They know how to keep their hijinks private and in their circle and they crush anyone who dares violate that code.

It's entirely possible, that Mrs. Kavanaugh really didn't know who she was marrying. No doubt Brett was a charming and dashing beau who seemed to be going places. He kept his past behavior private - as did everyone him. I do feel sorry for her and for their daughters.

+1. She met him long after high school and college. She probably had no idea about this side of him.

Let’s drop the misogyny that lies in blaming the wife and saying she should have known. She shouldn’t be a part of it. He shouldn’t be dragging her in front of cameras. It’s a way of invoking the “how dare you hurt my lovely family” defense. Nor should people be saying she knew and deserves any pain. Kids and wives should be left out of attacks.

You should know that there are many women who would want to be beside their husband to support him, given these terrible unsubstantiated accusations. You don't know that she was forced to be there.

+ 1 Also, the posters here who have already decided he's guilty would have had a field day if his wife did not show up.

She shows up: He forced her to show up.
She doesn't: See....she doesn't believe her own husband.

The guy has been tried, found guilty, and sentenced by you people - and we haven't even heard his accuser speak.

No, I want to hear his explanation under oath for the Renata alum. Even Renata, who signed the letter supporting him, now says the obvious insinuation is hurtful.
You can't reconcile the Renata alum entry in the yearbook with his teetotalling virgin to borrow a phrase from another poster.

Actually I can. The biggest braggers in high school (and college) were overcompensating for their lack of experience.

And if that's the explanation, I want to hear it from Kavanaugh.

This is getting a bit out there.

Have you never heard of locker room talk?

Personally I abhor it but to grill someone on braggadocio statements for an audience of his all male classmates that were made 35 years ago seems ridiculous.

So we are right back to “locker room talk.” How low our standards have sunk. How about pick a Justice without all this creepy baggage?. It’s not hard.

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Anonymous wrote:From another Renate alum's page: Michael Walsh, another student at Georgetown Prep, also wrote "Renate Alumnus" on his yearbook page, the Times reports. He also included a short poem, "You need a date / and it's getting late / so don't hesitate / to call Renate."

So they are slut shaming this girl. Call a spade a spade.

Somehow that jingle strikes a nerve in me harder than the sexual assaults. Completely gratuitous cruelty.

Wait. I'm confused. So Kavanaugh didn't write the poem, but another boy did? This seems more a criticism of the culture at GP in general.

Maybe, but he was actively participating in that culture -- throwing the Renate Alumnius item in his yearbook biography. It just makes me really sad that they were talking about this poor girl that way. I can't say it's entirely rational. Objectively, pinning a woman down and covering her mouth while you grope her and shoving your dick in a drunk woman's face are both worse than this Renate thing. And yet the Renate taunting, even if done behind her back (perhaps moreso done behind her back) makes me angrier than hearing about the assaults.

Lots of peer pressure back in high school. Even if he had poor judgment and maturity as a teen, I don't think we should go back that far. People change. We are setting a dangerous precedent by examine obnoxious high school behavior in a nominee 40 years later.

(That's the teasing. If it is proven that he actually assaulted someone, that's different.)

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Have you never heard of locker room talk?
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Why are you willing to go to such lengths to try to make excuses for these guys?

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This entire thread has gotten ridiculous. Absurd, really.
I seriously worry about the future of this country when it comes to due process and the understanding of “facts” vs. “opinion” and “allegations.”
I just hope that most of you posting here are not attorneys.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry if this has been discussed before, but does anyone else think kavanaugh has some psychopathic tendencies? Not the stereotypical psychopathic killer, but the lying, lack of empathy, ability to use a social situation, seems charming to get what he wants or get ahead?

Why the hell lie about that being a virgin until his mid-20s? I was relatively late. There's no shame, but nobody believes that for a moment. WaPo said he refused to answer sexual proclivity and drinking questions during his practice debate. So being virginal is the only way to push those questions off?

You are disgusting. Truly.
Psychopath? Are you f’ing kidding me?
You are also accusing him of lying about a very personal choice he made. How in the hell do you know what he is lying about?

And, had you read the WaPo thoroughly,.... you would have seen that he refused to answer questions THAT WENT OVER THE LINE. As the questioners expected him to do.

You are insufferable.

He refused to answer if he boofed a girl as a freshman in college or if he aided in drunk-training an underclassman in high school. He may have refused to answer those in moot at the white house, but he will have to answer those questions on Thursday.

Not necessarily. The Republicans are likely to rule a lot of those questions out of order. PP above, who thinks he may have psychopathic tendencies. I'm not even sure he'd fail a polygraph. Don't psychopaths have the opposite reaction to stress? - their heart rate stays remarkable constant when they lie?

I did read the article. It said he grew frustrated and angry when asked about his drinking and sexual proclivities. Declaring he was a virgin the entire time is a totally new reaction to the past week. It would have come up earlier and WH staff would have mentioned that he was virginal during high school when they commented.

How can you rule a question that goes to the direct allegations, out of order?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From another Renate alum's page: Michael Walsh, another student at Georgetown Prep, also wrote "Renate Alumnus" on his yearbook page, the Times reports. He also included a short poem, "You need a date / and it's getting late / so don't hesitate / to call Renate."

So they are slut shaming this girl. Call a spade a spade.

Somehow that jingle strikes a nerve in me harder than the sexual assaults. Completely gratuitous cruelty.

Wait. I'm confused. So Kavanaugh didn't write the poem, but another boy did? This seems more a criticism of the culture at GP in general.

Maybe, but he was actively participating in that culture -- throwing the Renate Alumnius item in his yearbook biography. It just makes me really sad that they were talking about this poor girl that way. I can't say it's entirely rational. Objectively, pinning a woman down and covering her mouth while you grope her and shoving your dick in a drunk woman's face are both worse than this Renate thing. And yet the Renate taunting, even if done behind her back (perhaps moreso done behind her back) makes me angrier than hearing about the assaults.

Lots of peer pressure back in high school. Even if he had poor judgment and maturity as a teen, I don't think we should go back that far. People change. We are setting a dangerous precedent by examine obnoxious high school behavior in a nominee 40 years later.

(That's the teasing. If it is proven that he actually assaulted someone, that's different.)

So sexual assault should get a pass because he got away with it back then? I don’t think so.

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Going out on a limb like that and saying you were a virgin until your mid-20s is not only embarrassing to have to disclose to the entire country, but it would be a lie easily exposed. All it would take is one liberal Yale classmate (or GP) to come forward.

It's really, really weird of him to think that being or not being a virgin has anything to do with whether he assaulted women.

This! Do you really want a judge on the Supreme Court that says sexual assault has to be penetration!? What about a child who is fondled by an adult? I guess that’s not sexual assault then in his eyes Really this is a judge you want on our supreme court? He’s not qualified.

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From another Renate alum's page: Michael Walsh, another student at Georgetown Prep, also wrote "Renate Alumnus" on his yearbook page, the Times reports. He also included a short poem, "You need a date / and it's getting late / so don't hesitate / to call Renate."

So they are slut shaming this girl. Call a spade a spade.

Somehow that jingle strikes a nerve in me harder than the sexual assaults. Completely gratuitous cruelty.

Wait. I'm confused. So Kavanaugh didn't write the poem, but another boy did? This seems more a criticism of the culture at GP in general.

Maybe, but he was actively participating in that culture -- throwing the Renate Alumnius item in his yearbook biography. It just makes me really sad that they were talking about this poor girl that way. I can't say it's entirely rational. Objectively, pinning a woman down and covering her mouth while you grope her and shoving your dick in a drunk woman's face are both worse than this Renate thing. And yet the Renate taunting, even if done behind her back (perhaps moreso done behind her back) makes me angrier than hearing about the assaults.

Lots of peer pressure back in high school. Even if he had poor judgment and maturity as a teen, I don't think we should go back that far. People change. We are setting a dangerous precedent by examine obnoxious high school behavior in a nominee 40 years later.

(That's the teasing. If it is proven that he actually assaulted someone, that's different.)

Except he is lying about it in 2018. I like my Supreme Court Justices not to be liars.

Gorsuch went to the same high school around the same time and didn't have these issues.

See the difference?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry if this has been discussed before, but does anyone else think kavanaugh has some psychopathic tendencies? Not the stereotypical psychopathic killer, but the lying, lack of empathy, ability to use a social situation, seems charming to get what he wants or get ahead?

Why the hell lie about that being a virgin until his mid-20s? I was relatively late. There's no shame, but nobody believes that for a moment. WaPo said he refused to answer sexual proclivity and drinking questions during his practice debate. So being virginal is the only way to push those questions off?

You are disgusting. Truly.
Psychopath? Are you f’ing kidding me?
You are also accusing him of lying about a very personal choice he made. How in the hell do you know what he is lying about?

And, had you read the WaPo thoroughly,.... you would have seen that he refused to answer questions THAT WENT OVER THE LINE. As the questioners expected him to do.

You are insufferable.

He refused to answer if he boofed a girl as a freshman in college or if he aided in drunk-training an underclassman in high school. He may have refused to answer those in moot at the white house, but he will have to answer those questions on Thursday.

Not necessarily. The Republicans are likely to rule a lot of those questions out of order. PP above, who thinks he may have psychopathic tendencies. I'm not even sure he'd fail a polygraph. Don't psychopaths have the opposite reaction to stress? - their heart rate stays remarkable constant when they lie?

I did read the article. It said he grew frustrated and angry when asked about his drinking and sexual proclivities. Declaring he was a virgin the entire time is a totally new reaction to the past week. It would have come up earlier and WH staff would have mentioned that he was virginal during high school when they commented.

You make this comment in relation to Judge Kavanaugh....
And, disregard that your ridiculous comment could well pertain to Dr. Ford as well. The one who has supposedly passed a polygraph.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread has gotten ridiculous. Absurd, really.
I seriously worry about the future of this country when it comes to due process and the understanding of “facts” vs. “opinion” and “allegations.”
I just hope that most of you posting here are not attorneys.

I understand that what you just wrote is an opinion that you are backing up by zero facts.