Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread

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Anonymous wrote:The comments here are so damned predictable. “He made her do the interview.” His wife “doesn’t trust him.” Face it - Nothing he or she does would change your minds. They didn’t hold hands so they aren’t close. Had they held hands, they would have been “trying too hard.” “It was so sad to see that Brett Kavanaugh showed no emotion.” Had he shown emotion, he would be too “volatile” in your little minds.

One thing that has become abundantly clear - He could provide undisputed proof that he is totally innocent of these allegations and you people would still convict him. Because of “yearbooks” or some other stupid reason. “Well, Georgetown prep was the school you didn’t date boys from so he is not qualified.”

I find it so telling that people here are all about “believing her” with absolutely no proof, no details, no evidence. These women are actually setting back the efforts of abused women.

You dismiss crime victims so easily because of politics. Sad.

You believe uncorroborated accusations so easily because of politics. Sad.

There is corroboration. Why do you ignore that. And the FBI could easily find more by getting sworn statements. That’s what Kavanaugh should be demanding. It’s what an innocent person would demand.

not re Dr. Ford's accusation

There is. Threre are polygraphs, statements to therapists, statements to others, all done years ago. Let’s get all the facts out instead of trying to plow this nomination through. There are many other conservative judges who are reading and willing to take this seat who do not have such a sordid past of documented heavy drinking, slut shaming, and alleged sexual assault.

That's all from one person, the accuser. Doesn't mean her memory was accurate.

Absolutely. I could say I remember Reagan attacking me, and I could have told my therapist that as well as all my friends. All that means is that I think it was him. Proves nothing, especially when I add in that a few people were there when it happened can attest to it, and they all say they don't remember anything like that happening.

I could believe that all of the stuff in the yearbook, all of the fraternity chants, the secret society, were all a joke. I could believe that, except for Mark Judge. And also the other evasions and lies by Kavanaugh.

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Anonymous wrote:I just went back and read some of the posts on the Rolling Stone thread BEFORE the story was discovered to be a hoax.

Very similar to what we see here. A lot of people who “believe it” and are slamming UVA, all fraternities, and men in general.

I would encourage you to read it, then reflect on the crap you are writing here. http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/425975.page

Doesn't change the words in black and white in the yearbook, on his own yearbook page and that of his friends, or the contents of Mark Judge's book.

How do you explain away the Renate alum reference? Do you buy what his lawyers are saying? Renate denies she ever kissed him.

"Judge Kavanaugh and Ms. Dolphin attended one high school event together and shared a brief kiss good night following that event," the statement reads.

"They had no other such encounter. The language from Judge Kavanaugh's high school yearbook refers to the fact that he and Ms. Dolphin attended that one high school event together and nothing else."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/24/politics/new-york-times-kavanaugh-renate-high-school-yearbook/index.html

Yeah. I actually believe what his lawyers are saying.

she says they didn't kiss, his lawyers say they did. So you believe the lawyers?
And you believe that an entire group of boys referred to her in their yearbooks in this manner in reference to innocent dates and maybe kisses? Just want to be sure I'm understanding you.

And, once again, you are believing someone who has NO PROOF, NO CORROBORATION, and has a story that everyone SHE says was there are disputing.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems that Ms. Debra Katz didn't think Paula Jones had a case and dismissed her accusations in 1998, based on one incident; but she thinks Dr. Ford does? Guess it depends on the political views of the accuser.

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/03/15/us/testing-president-overview-experts-say-suit-against-president-faces-big-hurdles.html

It's as if you missed the entire MeToo movement.

And haven’ realized 2 decades have passed.

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Anonymous wrote:The comments here are so damned predictable. “He made her do the interview.” His wife “doesn’t trust him.” Face it - Nothing he or she does would change your minds. They didn’t hold hands so they aren’t close. Had they held hands, they would have been “trying too hard.” “It was so sad to see that Brett Kavanaugh showed no emotion.” Had he shown emotion, he would be too “volatile” in your little minds.

One thing that has become abundantly clear - He could provide undisputed proof that he is totally innocent of these allegations and you people would still convict him. Because of “yearbooks” or some other stupid reason. “Well, Georgetown prep was the school you didn’t date boys from so he is not qualified.”

I find it so telling that people here are all about “believing her” with absolutely no proof, no details, no evidence. These women are actually setting back the efforts of abused women.

You dismiss crime victims so easily because of politics. Sad.

You believe uncorroborated accusations so easily because of politics. Sad.

There is corroboration. Why do you ignore that. And the FBI could easily find more by getting sworn statements. That’s what Kavanaugh should be demanding. It’s what an innocent person would demand.

not re Dr. Ford's accusation

There is. Threre are polygraphs, statements to therapists, statements to others, all done years ago. Let’s get all the facts out instead of trying to plow this nomination through. There are many other conservative judges who are reading and willing to take this seat who do not have such a sordid past of documented heavy drinking, slut shaming, and alleged sexual assault.

A polygraph and Ford’s statements to others are not corroboration. The most they do is show 1) she believes her story and 2) she told others about her version of events at least decades afterwards.

It is corroborating evidence. You must not be familiar with the nature of sexual assault cases.

Can we see that evidence? What stops the defense from lying about these details? Why not file with local police?

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“I went to an all-boys Catholic high school. focused on academics and athletics, going to church every Sunday, working on service projects and friendship with my classmates and girls from the all-girls Catholic schools.”

Kavanaugh’s innocent church-going virgin defense is just gross and contrary to his own “what happens at Prep stays at Prep” mantra.

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Anonymous wrote:I just went back and read some of the posts on the Rolling Stone thread BEFORE the story was discovered to be a hoax.

Very similar to what we see here. A lot of people who “believe it” and are slamming UVA, all fraternities, and men in general.

I would encourage you to read it, then reflect on the crap you are writing here. http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/425975.page

Doesn't change the words in black and white in the yearbook, on his own yearbook page and that of his friends, or the contents of Mark Judge's book.

How do you explain away the Renate alum reference? Do you buy what his lawyers are saying? Renate denies she ever kissed him.

"Judge Kavanaugh and Ms. Dolphin attended one high school event together and shared a brief kiss good night following that event," the statement reads.

"They had no other such encounter. The language from Judge Kavanaugh's high school yearbook refers to the fact that he and Ms. Dolphin attended that one high school event together and nothing else."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/24/politics/new-york-times-kavanaugh-renate-high-school-yearbook

Yeah. I actually believe what his lawyers are saying.

she says they didn't kiss, his lawyers say they did. So you believe the lawyers?
And you believe that an entire group of boys referred to her in their yearbooks in this manner in reference to innocent dates and maybe kisses? Just want to be sure I'm understanding you.

No they are calling her a "Rizzo" as opposed to a " Sandra Dee." I'd be pissed if I were her and re-evaluate my friendship with such a cretin

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Anonymous wrote:“I went to an all-boys Catholic high school. focused on academics and athletics, going to church every Sunday, working on service projects and friendship with my classmates and girls from the all-girls Catholic schools.”

Kavanaugh’s innocent church-going virgin defense is just gross and contrary to his own “what happens at Prep stays at Prep” mantra.

This is where his true Kreepster vibes come out.

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Anonymous wrote:From another Renate alum's page: Michael Walsh, another student at Georgetown Prep, also wrote "Renate Alumnus" on his yearbook page, the Times reports. He also included a short poem, "You need a date / and it's getting late / so don't hesitate / to call Renate."

So they are slut shaming this girl. Call a spade a spade.

Somehow that jingle strikes a nerve in me harder than the sexual assaults. Completely gratuitous cruelty.

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Anonymous wrote:Granted I didn't watch the interview, but it's kinda shitty that he made her appear on national television, judging from people's observations here. It doesn't sound like she is a Kellyanne Conway type, who relishes media appearances.

This reminds me of the Good Wife. But, much, much worse.

I don't feel bad for her-- she had to know what she was marrying. But I do feel terrible for their daughters.

Meh. Not necessarily. Guys like Kavanaugh and his crew know how to be charming, articulate, and put on a good show - it's no doubt part of what was stressed at Georgetown Prep. They know how to keep their hijinks private and in their circle and they crush anyone who dares violate that code.

It's entirely possible, that Mrs. Kavanaugh really didn't know who she was marrying. No doubt Brett was a charming and dashing beau who seemed to be going places. He kept his past behavior private - as did everyone him. I do feel sorry for her and for their daughters.

+1. She met him long after high school and college. She probably had no idea about this side of him.

Let’s drop the misogyny that lies in blaming the wife and saying she should have known. She shouldn’t be a part of it. He shouldn’t be dragging her in front of cameras. It’s a way of invoking the “how dare you hurt my lovely family” defense. Nor should people be saying she knew and deserves any pain. Kids and wives should be left out of attacks.

You should know that there are many women who would want to be beside their husband to support him, given these terrible unsubstantiated accusations. You don't know that she was forced to be there.

+ 1 Also, the posters here who have already decided he's guilty would have had a field day if his wife did not show up.

She shows up: He forced her to show up.
She doesn't: See....she doesn't believe her own husband.

The guy has been tried, found guilty, and sentenced by you people - and we haven't even heard his accuser speak.

No, I want to hear his explanation under oath for the Renata alum. Even Renata, who signed the letter supporting him, now says the obvious insinuation is hurtful.
You can't reconcile the Renata alum entry in the yearbook with his teetotalling virgin to borrow a phrase from another poster.

Actually I can. The biggest braggers in high school (and college) were overcompensating for their lack of experience.

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Anonymous wrote:From another Renate alum's page: Michael Walsh, another student at Georgetown Prep, also wrote "Renate Alumnus" on his yearbook page, the Times reports. He also included a short poem, "You need a date / and it's getting late / so don't hesitate / to call Renate."

So they are slut shaming this girl. Call a spade a spade.

Somehow that jingle strikes a nerve in me harder than the sexual assaults. Completely gratuitous cruelty.

Wait. I'm confused. So Kavanaugh didn't write the poem, but another boy did? This seems more a criticism of the culture at GP in general.

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Anonymous wrote:I just went back and read some of the posts on the Rolling Stone thread BEFORE the story was discovered to be a hoax.

Very similar to what we see here. A lot of people who “believe it” and are slamming UVA, all fraternities, and men in general.

I would encourage you to read it, then reflect on the crap you are writing here. http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/425975.page

Doesn't change the words in black and white in the yearbook, on his own yearbook page and that of his friends, or the contents of Mark Judge's book.

How do you explain away the Renate alum reference? Do you buy what his lawyers are saying? Renate denies she ever kissed him.

"Judge Kavanaugh and Ms. Dolphin attended one high school event together and shared a brief kiss good night following that event," the statement reads.

"They had no other such encounter. The language from Judge Kavanaugh's high school yearbook refers to the fact that he and Ms. Dolphin attended that one high school event together and nothing else."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/24/politics/new-york-times-kavanaugh-renate-high-school-yearbook/index.html

Yeah. I actually believe what his lawyers are saying.

she says they didn't kiss, his lawyers say they did. So you believe the lawyers?
And you believe that an entire group of boys referred to her in their yearbooks in this manner in reference to innocent dates and maybe kisses? Just want to be sure I'm understanding you.

And, once again, you are believing someone who has NO PROOF, NO CORROBORATION, and has a story that everyone SHE says was there are disputing.

I think you are confused. I am not talking about Ford or any other accuser.

I'm referring to the use of "Renate Alum" or whatever the phrase was that was used by a group of boys in Kavanaugh's class in the yearbook. Including Kavanaugh. The insinuation of the phrase is that all the boys "had" her. Kavanaugh's lawyers, not Renate, claim the two kissed. Renate claims they *didn't* kiss. I am asking you to provide a reasonable explanation for why Kav would have used that phrase, and whom do we believe if the woman says they didn't kiss and his attorneys say they did?

It's an obvious lie on the Kavanaugh team is what I am saying. You and a group of your buddies don't memorialize in your yearbook that you are all "alum" of a girl because you took her to a dance and did (or didn't) kiss her.

Renate initially signed the letter supporting him. It wasn't until someone pointed out the use of the "Renate alum" phrase that she was appalled and hurt.

Taken alone the insinuation would be NBD. Taken with all the other evidence, such as Judge's book, about what went on in those days, at those parties, with those boys, it's highly suggestive of a misogynistic, womanizing culture. Which Kav is claiming he was not a part of.

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Going out on a limb like that and saying you were a virgin until your mid-20s is not only embarrassing to have to disclose to the entire country, but it would be a lie easily exposed. All it would take is one liberal Yale classmate (or GP) to come forward.

It's really, really weird of him to think that being or not being a virgin has anything to do with whether he assaulted women.

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Anonymous wrote:Granted I didn't watch the interview, but it's kinda shitty that he made her appear on national television, judging from people's observations here. It doesn't sound like she is a Kellyanne Conway type, who relishes media appearances.

This reminds me of the Good Wife. But, much, much worse.

I don't feel bad for her-- she had to know what she was marrying. But I do feel terrible for their daughters.

Meh. Not necessarily. Guys like Kavanaugh and his crew know how to be charming, articulate, and put on a good show - it's no doubt part of what was stressed at Georgetown Prep. They know how to keep their hijinks private and in their circle and they crush anyone who dares violate that code.

It's entirely possible, that Mrs. Kavanaugh really didn't know who she was marrying. No doubt Brett was a charming and dashing beau who seemed to be going places. He kept his past behavior private - as did everyone him. I do feel sorry for her and for their daughters.

+1. She met him long after high school and college. She probably had no idea about this side of him.

Let’s drop the misogyny that lies in blaming the wife and saying she should have known. She shouldn’t be a part of it. He shouldn’t be dragging her in front of cameras. It’s a way of invoking the “how dare you hurt my lovely family” defense. Nor should people be saying she knew and deserves any pain. Kids and wives should be left out of attacks.

You should know that there are many women who would want to be beside their husband to support him, given these terrible unsubstantiated accusations. You don't know that she was forced to be there.

+ 1 Also, the posters here who have already decided he's guilty would have had a field day if his wife did not show up.

She shows up: He forced her to show up.
She doesn't: See....she doesn't believe her own husband.

The guy has been tried, found guilty, and sentenced by you people - and we haven't even heard his accuser speak.

No, I want to hear his explanation under oath for the Renata alum. Even Renata, who signed the letter supporting him, now says the obvious insinuation is hurtful.
You can't reconcile the Renata alum entry in the yearbook with his teetotalling virgin to borrow a phrase from another poster.

Actually I can. The biggest braggers in high school (and college) were overcompensating for their lack of experience.

This. Even more so a generation ago where pretty much most of the boys were not getting much of anything but there was pressure to seem otherwise to appear more worldly.

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Anonymous wrote:Granted I didn't watch the interview, but it's kinda shitty that he made her appear on national television, judging from people's observations here. It doesn't sound like she is a Kellyanne Conway type, who relishes media appearances.

This reminds me of the Good Wife. But, much, much worse.

I don't feel bad for her-- she had to know what she was marrying. But I do feel terrible for their daughters.

Meh. Not necessarily. Guys like Kavanaugh and his crew know how to be charming, articulate, and put on a good show - it's no doubt part of what was stressed at Georgetown Prep. They know how to keep their hijinks private and in their circle and they crush anyone who dares violate that code.

It's entirely possible, that Mrs. Kavanaugh really didn't know who she was marrying. No doubt Brett was a charming and dashing beau who seemed to be going places. He kept his past behavior private - as did everyone him. I do feel sorry for her and for their daughters.

+1. She met him long after high school and college. She probably had no idea about this side of him.

Let’s drop the misogyny that lies in blaming the wife and saying she should have known. She shouldn’t be a part of it. He shouldn’t be dragging her in front of cameras. It’s a way of invoking the “how dare you hurt my lovely family” defense. Nor should people be saying she knew and deserves any pain. Kids and wives should be left out of attacks.

You should know that there are many women who would want to be beside their husband to support him, given these terrible unsubstantiated accusations. You don't know that she was forced to be there.

+ 1 Also, the posters here who have already decided he's guilty would have had a field day if his wife did not show up.

She shows up: He forced her to show up.
She doesn't: See....she doesn't believe her own husband.

The guy has been tried, found guilty, and sentenced by you people - and we haven't even heard his accuser speak.

No, I want to hear his explanation under oath for the Renata alum. Even Renata, who signed the letter supporting him, now says the obvious insinuation is hurtful.
You can't reconcile the Renata alum entry in the yearbook with his teetotalling virgin to borrow a phrase from another poster.

Actually I can. The biggest braggers in high school (and college) were overcompensating for their lack of experience.

And if that's the explanation, I want to hear it from Kavanaugh.

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Anonymous wrote:From another Renate alum's page: Michael Walsh, another student at Georgetown Prep, also wrote "Renate Alumnus" on his yearbook page, the Times reports. He also included a short poem, "You need a date / and it's getting late / so don't hesitate / to call Renate."

So they are slut shaming this girl. Call a spade a spade.

Somehow that jingle strikes a nerve in me harder than the sexual assaults. Completely gratuitous cruelty.

Wait. I'm confused. So Kavanaugh didn't write the poem, but another boy did? This seems more a criticism of the culture at GP in general.

Maybe, but he was actively participating in that culture -- throwing the Renate Alumnius item in his yearbook biography. It just makes me really sad that they were talking about this poor girl that way. I can't say it's entirely rational. Objectively, pinning a woman down and covering her mouth while you grope her and shoving your dick in a drunk woman's face are both worse than this Renate thing. And yet the Renate taunting, even if done behind her back (perhaps moreso done behind her back) makes me angrier than hearing about the assaults.