King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?

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Anonymous wrote:Anybody else want to put chances of each ES going to the new HS

Floris : 100% (Literally in Floris district lines)
Oak Hill : 95% (Very Small chance staying Chantilly with overcrowding there)
McNair : 90% (Small chance of staying Westfield or going to Herndon)
Coates : 85% (Small chance of staying Westfield or going to Herndon)
Crossfield : (75%)
Fox Mill : (65%)

Honestly both Crossfield and Fox Mill could go to South Lakes instead of the new HS and petty equidistant from those two options. However, it is easier to backfill Oakton with growth in Tysons. Hence higher chance of Crossfield being moved. Also Meren represents all of Fox Mill but only a fraction of Crossfield hence, the only option she has to protect South Lakes it to retain Fox Mill.


I doubt they are going to make any changes to Crossfield.
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Anonymous wrote:Anybody else want to put chances of each ES going to the new HS

Floris : 100% (Literally in Floris district lines)
Oak Hill : 95% (Very Small chance staying Chantilly with overcrowding there)
McNair : 90% (Small chance of staying Westfield or going to Herndon)
Coates : 85% (Small chance of staying Westfield or going to Herndon)
Crossfield : (75%)
Fox Mill : (65%)

Honestly both Crossfield and Fox Mill could go to South Lakes instead of the new HS and petty equidistant from those two options. However, it is easier to backfill Oakton with growth in Tysons. Hence higher chance of Crossfield being moved. Also Meren represents all of Fox Mill but only a fraction of Crossfield hence, the only option she has to protect South Lakes it to retain Fox Mill.


Floris, Oak Hill, McNair, and Coates IMO. Those make the most sense with Carson’s existing boundaries.
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Fox Mill to new HS: 3.3 miles
Crossfield to new HS: 5.3 miles


You do realize that the kids who go to Oakton from Crossfield do not live at Crossfield Elementary School?


Nobody lives at an elementary school.
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Anonymous wrote:Anybody else want to put chances of each ES going to the new HS

Floris : 100% (Literally in Floris district lines)
Oak Hill : 95% (Very Small chance staying Chantilly with overcrowding there)
McNair : 90% (Small chance of staying Westfield or going to Herndon)
Coates : 85% (Small chance of staying Westfield or going to Herndon)
Crossfield : (75%)
Fox Mill : (65%)

Honestly both Crossfield and Fox Mill could go to South Lakes instead of the new HS and petty equidistant from those two options. However, it is easier to backfill Oakton with growth in Tysons. Hence higher chance of Crossfield being moved. Also Meren represents all of Fox Mill but only a fraction of Crossfield hence, the only option she has to protect South Lakes it to retain Fox Mill.


McNair is twice as big as some elementary schools, which is why they have the separate upper school. The new school could just end up serving Floris, Coates, McNair, and Oak Hill.
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Anonymous wrote:Anybody else want to put chances of each ES going to the new HS

Floris : 100% (Literally in Floris district lines)
Oak Hill : 95% (Very Small chance staying Chantilly with overcrowding there)
McNair : 90% (Small chance of staying Westfield or going to Herndon)
Coates : 85% (Small chance of staying Westfield or going to Herndon)
Crossfield : (75%)
Fox Mill : (65%)

Honestly both Crossfield and Fox Mill could go to South Lakes instead of the new HS and petty equidistant from those two options. However, it is easier to backfill Oakton with growth in Tysons. Hence higher chance of Crossfield being moved. Also Meren represents all of Fox Mill but only a fraction of Crossfield hence, the only option she has to protect South Lakes it to retain Fox Mill.


Floris: 100% (no brianer)
Coates: 100% (no brainer)
McNair: 90% (very likely)
FMES: 70% (the question is Meren)
Crossfield: 33% (Honestly, Oakton will be still better than the new HS)
Oak Hill: 50% (OHS’s probem is the middle school. It is very close to Franklin and should stay at Franklin and I don’t know if they create a new split feeder)
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Anonymous wrote:I am going to be so pissed if some political operative from a community totally unaffected by this new school finds a way to derail this purchase. I have the feeling this is already in the works - it's like we're back in 2021 with Rory Cooper pulling all the strings.


Yup.

Three board members didn’t vote for the purchase: At-Large Representative Ilryong Moon, Rachna Sizemore Heizer (Braddock District) and Melanie Meren (Hunter Mill). I live in Hunter Mill district and I am not going to vote for Moon and Meren next time.

And then there’s the Great Falls group, which seems to oppose anything that remotely threatens their school boundary.

Watch out!



You realize that this school doesn't affect Great Falls in any way, right? And no need to BS about some kind of domino effect, etc. Let me be very clear: the GF community is happy that there's a feasible western high school to help alleviate crowding in that area. It has nothing to do with us. If you keep trash talking this community, we'll report your idiotic posts.

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Fox mill is something special. 30 years ago they blocked Mclearen rd from going thru AND made Pincrest an overpass instead of a light on FFX parkway. It is more difficult for bus to travel to to KAA than SLHS. So I'd say Fox mill should keep going to SL.
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Anonymous wrote:Anybody else want to put chances of each ES going to the new HS

Floris : 100% (Literally in Floris district lines)
Oak Hill : 95% (Very Small chance staying Chantilly with overcrowding there)
McNair : 90% (Small chance of staying Westfield or going to Herndon)
Coates : 85% (Small chance of staying Westfield or going to Herndon)
Crossfield : (75%)
Fox Mill : (65%)

Honestly both Crossfield and Fox Mill could go to South Lakes instead of the new HS and petty equidistant from those two options. However, it is easier to backfill Oakton with growth in Tysons. Hence higher chance of Crossfield being moved. Also Meren represents all of Fox Mill but only a fraction of Crossfield hence, the only option she has to protect South Lakes it to retain Fox Mill.


These families will go nuts if they don’t get to send their kids to Carson MS. I used to live in that area. Many see it as a springboard to TJ.
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These families will go nuts if they don’t get to send their kids to Carson MS. I used to live in that area. Many see it as a springboard to TJ.


Even now that the admission rules of changed?
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Anonymous wrote:Anybody else want to put chances of each ES going to the new HS

Floris : 100% (Literally in Floris district lines)
Oak Hill : 95% (Very Small chance staying Chantilly with overcrowding there)
McNair : 90% (Small chance of staying Westfield or going to Herndon)
Coates : 85% (Small chance of staying Westfield or going to Herndon)
Crossfield : (75%)
Fox Mill : (65%)

Honestly both Crossfield and Fox Mill could go to South Lakes instead of the new HS and petty equidistant from those two options. However, it is easier to backfill Oakton with growth in Tysons. Hence higher chance of Crossfield being moved. Also Meren represents all of Fox Mill but only a fraction of Crossfield hence, the only option she has to protect South Lakes it to retain Fox Mill.


These families will go nuts if they don’t get to send their kids to Carson MS. I used to live in that area. Many see it as a springboard to TJ.

These days it's easier to compete for one of the guaranteed spots from a "bad" school than it is to get in from the traditional "feeder" schools. There will be some people who bought their homes for the feeder middle schools before the admission policy change, but I doubt any future homebuyers will value Carson MS like it has been in the past. This will especially be true if FCPS fails to come up with funding for the after school activities after this year.
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Anonymous wrote:I am going to be so pissed if some political operative from a community totally unaffected by this new school finds a way to derail this purchase. I have the feeling this is already in the works - it's like we're back in 2021 with Rory Cooper pulling all the strings.


Yup.

Three board members didn’t vote for the purchase: At-Large Representative Ilryong Moon, Rachna Sizemore Heizer (Braddock District) and Melanie Meren (Hunter Mill). I live in Hunter Mill district and I am not going to vote for Moon and Meren next time.

And then there’s the Great Falls group, which seems to oppose anything that remotely threatens their school boundary.

Watch out!



You realize that this school doesn't affect Great Falls in any way, right? And no need to BS about some kind of domino effect, etc. Let me be very clear: the GF community is happy that there's a feasible western high school to help alleviate crowding in that area. It has nothing to do with us. If you keep trash talking this community, we'll report your idiotic posts.



Yeah please go ahead and report.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m thrilled about this. We are in Fox Mill/Carson and the transition from Carson to SLHS where our neighborhood kids are a minority is awful. I am hoping very much that our neighborhood along with RCMS area will go to this new school.


It’s going to very interesting to see what they do if they make this a general HS. Fox Mill is a big neighborhood. They may not want to pull it out of SLHS. There is also the reducing transportation time vs. reducing split feeder issue. I don’t see how they solve both because the new HS won’t have room for everyone. Look at
who people think should attend this new school… Fox Mill, Emerald Chase, Franklin Farm, Chantilly Highlands, who else? There’s isn’t room for everyone so someone is either keeping their long commute to Oakton or staying at Westfield or South Lakes


Fox Mill used to go to Oakton and South Lakes was just fine without it.


Actually it wasn’t; hence, the large boundary change in 2008.

And then South Lakes got expanded after that outside the renovation queue.

Fox Mill isn’t that far from South Lakes and should stay there. If anything they should look to adjust the boundaries so it goes to Hughes as well.

The last thing anyone should be implying is that we need to build an addition to KAA before the sale has even closed.


Why? The Western HS was proposed to relieve SLHS, Oakton, Westfield, and Chantilly. Basically Caron is going to feed the new school instead of three or four way split.


South Lakes isn't overcrowded like Chantilly, no one travels as far to South Lakes as Crossfield travels to Oakton, and capacity at the new school may be limited. So, nice try (again), but I wouldn't assume that everyone currently zoned to Carson will feed to this school. Boundaries may change, and they may conclude they still need some split feeders, even if they can reduce the three-way split at Carson.


LOL, I'm not trying anything difficult. Read past CIPs to understand why the new high school was proposed. Check how close Carson MS is to the new HS.

Don't overcomplicate it.



It's complicated by the fact that Carson has a large capacity for a MS and the new school would appear to have a small capacity for a HS.

Also, reducing student commutes to Oakton may take priority over sending everyone now at Carson to the new HS.

Sorry if reality bites.


No worries, it won’t bite.

Carson MS will be a feeder school for the new HS, just like Herndon MS to Herndon HS, Hughes MS to South Lakes HS, Johnson MS to Fairfax HS, and Cooper MS to Langley HS.

If you lack common sense, just wait and see.


Or it could remain a split feeder like it has been, and like Franklin, Thoreau, Holmes, Poe, and Kilmer have been.

You're the one making assumptions that at this point are premature.


Nice spin.

You are the one making a claim that Fox Mill should stay in SLHS. I am just pointing out that’s very unlikely. Hopefully, you are not too dumb to understand this.

How close are the middle schools you listed to the nearest high school? Do you know the distance between Carson Middle School and the new high school?

It is 0.5 miles.



Given that South Lakes isn't overcrowded like Chantilly, and the distance from Fox Mill to South Lakes is much shorter than the distance from Crossfield to Oakton, it's quite likely. Sorry.


Here you go.

So the bottomline is you just don’t want Fox Mill to be assigned to the new school.

Wait and see.


It's not that I don't want Fox Mill to be assigned to the new school. It's that making sure Oak Hill goes there to address overcrowding at Chantilly and Crossfield goes there to shorten the long commute to Oakton should be higher priorities.

You, on the other hand, are trying to get assurances now that everyone currently at Carson will go there. That is simply premature.

Again, I'm sorry you dislike South Lakes so much.


Don't be ridiculous.

When did I say I dislike SLHS? I personally like the IB program at SLHS.

But, it makes far more sense for current Carson kids to attend the new school than your absurd idea.

Look at the map. Why should Oak Hill and Crossfield kids go to the new school while Fox Mill kids stay at SLHS? Do you really think that makes sense?

Stop being sorry and get some common sense.


It clearly makes sense to send Oak Hill and Crossfield kids there and if necessary keep Fox Mill kids at South Lakes since the priorities should be reducing overcrowding at Chantilly and reducing long commutes to Oakton.

It appears you didn't bother to listen to what the School Board members voting in favor of this purchase had to say. That's what they were focusing on, not changing the SLHS boundaries. It's sad we've invested so much in South Lakes over the years only for people to try and avoid it when it's nearby and not overcrowded.



Oak Hill doesn’t even go to Carson, and the school board is already working on reducing the overload at Chantilly.

Crossfield is closer to SLHS and farther from the new high school compared to Fox Mill. If anything, they should send Crossfield to SLHS instead of Fox Mill. Isn’t that obvious?

You lose all credibility by insisting Oak Hill and Crossfield kids go to the new school while Fox Mill kids stay at SLHS. I don’t see it happening.





You sound like you don’t live here or don’t understand that Crossfield is much further away from Oakton than Fox Mill is from South Lakes. Why would they disrupt two entire communities to make this change instead of one, dummy?


DP. I DO live in the area and am familiar with all these neighborhoods and all these schools. Sounds like you are not.

1. None of us know how this would end up, but several posters are leaving out some details:
McNair and Coates will likely attend this school
2. All of Floris will likely attend this school. Remember McNair, Coates, and Floris send kids to Westfield. Westfield is isolated from the community neighborhoods by commercial and industrial areas--along with Dulles Airport. The commute is also not an easy one during rush hour. 28 is a nightmare.
3. Oak Hill (which, by the way is the closest elementary school and neighborhood to the Carson/KAA site) currently attends Chantilly. THRU plans to split this neighborhood and send a good portion of it to Oakton. The Oak Hill community is not happy about this. It splits the neighborhood and sends a good portion of it thirty minutes away--going from a short commute to a thirty minute commtute. KAA is basically across the street.
4. Discovery Square--which attends Floris--is also right by the KAA site.
5. PP--who claims that Crossfield is further away than Fox Mill--is stretching the issue because most of Crossfield's attendance zone is just as close to KAA as Fox Mill. If she really were familiar with the area, she would realize that Franklin Farm on the other side of 286 would likely go down Franklin Farm Rd to Centreville. They could turn on Wall or McLearen to get there. They would be driving through neighborhoods that likely will also attend the KAA site.

Again, none of us know how this will play out. I could see Emerald Chase once again going to Oak Hill and Carson and KAA, but I don't know. And, neither do any of us.

I don't see Fox Mill being at the top of the list. But, I may be wrong. South Lakes does not appear to need relief at this time and Fox Mill is equidistant to South Lakes and Carson--though some neighborhoods are closer to Carson. Neither is far.

If I were the School Board, my first goal would be to eliminate the long bus ride to Oakton and the bus ride/isolation to Westfield. Overcrowding at Chantilly has repeatedly been given a priority and I THINK it is very likely Oak Hill will attend KAA.

This creates a contiguous boundary. It eliminates split neighborhoods and split feeder elementary schools.



Fox Mill to new HS: 3.3 miles
Crossfield to new HS: 5.3 miles


AGAIN - not talking about the actual schools, talking about where kids live now compared to current high school.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m thrilled about this. We are in Fox Mill/Carson and the transition from Carson to SLHS where our neighborhood kids are a minority is awful. I am hoping very much that our neighborhood along with RCMS area will go to this new school.


It’s going to very interesting to see what they do if they make this a general HS. Fox Mill is a big neighborhood. They may not want to pull it out of SLHS. There is also the reducing transportation time vs. reducing split feeder issue. I don’t see how they solve both because the new HS won’t have room for everyone. Look at
who people think should attend this new school… Fox Mill, Emerald Chase, Franklin Farm, Chantilly Highlands, who else? There’s isn’t room for everyone so someone is either keeping their long commute to Oakton or staying at Westfield or South Lakes


Fox Mill used to go to Oakton and South Lakes was just fine without it.


Actually it wasn’t; hence, the large boundary change in 2008.

And then South Lakes got expanded after that outside the renovation queue.

Fox Mill isn’t that far from South Lakes and should stay there. If anything they should look to adjust the boundaries so it goes to Hughes as well.

The last thing anyone should be implying is that we need to build an addition to KAA before the sale has even closed.


Why? The Western HS was proposed to relieve SLHS, Oakton, Westfield, and Chantilly. Basically Caron is going to feed the new school instead of three or four way split.


South Lakes isn't overcrowded like Chantilly, no one travels as far to South Lakes as Crossfield travels to Oakton, and capacity at the new school may be limited. So, nice try (again), but I wouldn't assume that everyone currently zoned to Carson will feed to this school. Boundaries may change, and they may conclude they still need some split feeders, even if they can reduce the three-way split at Carson.


LOL, I'm not trying anything difficult. Read past CIPs to understand why the new high school was proposed. Check how close Carson MS is to the new HS.

Don't overcomplicate it.



It's complicated by the fact that Carson has a large capacity for a MS and the new school would appear to have a small capacity for a HS.

Also, reducing student commutes to Oakton may take priority over sending everyone now at Carson to the new HS.

Sorry if reality bites.


No worries, it won’t bite.

Carson MS will be a feeder school for the new HS, just like Herndon MS to Herndon HS, Hughes MS to South Lakes HS, Johnson MS to Fairfax HS, and Cooper MS to Langley HS.

If you lack common sense, just wait and see.


Or it could remain a split feeder like it has been, and like Franklin, Thoreau, Holmes, Poe, and Kilmer have been.

You're the one making assumptions that at this point are premature.


Nice spin.

You are the one making a claim that Fox Mill should stay in SLHS. I am just pointing out that’s very unlikely. Hopefully, you are not too dumb to understand this.

How close are the middle schools you listed to the nearest high school? Do you know the distance between Carson Middle School and the new high school?

It is 0.5 miles.



Given that South Lakes isn't overcrowded like Chantilly, and the distance from Fox Mill to South Lakes is much shorter than the distance from Crossfield to Oakton, it's quite likely. Sorry.


Here you go.

So the bottomline is you just don’t want Fox Mill to be assigned to the new school.

Wait and see.


It's not that I don't want Fox Mill to be assigned to the new school. It's that making sure Oak Hill goes there to address overcrowding at Chantilly and Crossfield goes there to shorten the long commute to Oakton should be higher priorities.

You, on the other hand, are trying to get assurances now that everyone currently at Carson will go there. That is simply premature.

Again, I'm sorry you dislike South Lakes so much.


Don't be ridiculous.

When did I say I dislike SLHS? I personally like the IB program at SLHS.

But, it makes far more sense for current Carson kids to attend the new school than your absurd idea.

Look at the map. Why should Oak Hill and Crossfield kids go to the new school while Fox Mill kids stay at SLHS? Do you really think that makes sense?

Stop being sorry and get some common sense.


It clearly makes sense to send Oak Hill and Crossfield kids there and if necessary keep Fox Mill kids at South Lakes since the priorities should be reducing overcrowding at Chantilly and reducing long commutes to Oakton.

It appears you didn't bother to listen to what the School Board members voting in favor of this purchase had to say. That's what they were focusing on, not changing the SLHS boundaries. It's sad we've invested so much in South Lakes over the years only for people to try and avoid it when it's nearby and not overcrowded.



Oak Hill doesn’t even go to Carson, and the school board is already working on reducing the overload at Chantilly.

Crossfield is closer to SLHS and farther from the new high school compared to Fox Mill. If anything, they should send Crossfield to SLHS instead of Fox Mill. Isn’t that obvious?

You lose all credibility by insisting Oak Hill and Crossfield kids go to the new school while Fox Mill kids stay at SLHS. I don’t see it happening.





You sound like you don’t live here or don’t understand that Crossfield is much further away from Oakton than Fox Mill is from South Lakes. Why would they disrupt two entire communities to make this change instead of one, dummy?


Oh I live here and understand everything very well.

The easiest solution would be to let Fox Mill kids go to the new school and Crossfield stay with Oakton.

My kids go to Crossfield and I don't know why you're all so obsessed with Oakton other than thinking it must be racial. You want your kids in a majority white school instead of a majority Asian/Indian school. Is that it? Because the only people I know at Crossfield that are so obsessed with Oakton are wealthy white families. Everyone else would prefer our kids go to Chantilly. because it's closer. I haven't talked to many people about this yet, but it tracks - the white moms prefer Oakton, the Indian/Chinese moms would prefer the new school.
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Anonymous wrote:Anybody else want to put chances of each ES going to the new HS

Floris : 100% (Literally in Floris district lines)
Oak Hill : 95% (Very Small chance staying Chantilly with overcrowding there)
McNair : 90% (Small chance of staying Westfield or going to Herndon)
Coates : 85% (Small chance of staying Westfield or going to Herndon)
Crossfield : (75%)
Fox Mill : (65%)

Honestly both Crossfield and Fox Mill could go to South Lakes instead of the new HS and petty equidistant from those two options. However, it is easier to backfill Oakton with growth in Tysons. Hence higher chance of Crossfield being moved. Also Meren represents all of Fox Mill but only a fraction of Crossfield hence, the only option she has to protect South Lakes it to retain Fox Mill.


I doubt they are going to make any changes to Crossfield.


I knew this mom would show up. As I mentioned a couple days ago, there is a small contingent of Crossfield mamas who will be livid that their kids no longer get to go to Oakton. This is one of them.
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Anonymous wrote:Anybody else want to put chances of each ES going to the new HS

Floris : 100% (Literally in Floris district lines)
Oak Hill : 95% (Very Small chance staying Chantilly with overcrowding there)
McNair : 90% (Small chance of staying Westfield or going to Herndon)
Coates : 85% (Small chance of staying Westfield or going to Herndon)
Crossfield : (75%)
Fox Mill : (65%)

Honestly both Crossfield and Fox Mill could go to South Lakes instead of the new HS and petty equidistant from those two options. However, it is easier to backfill Oakton with growth in Tysons. Hence higher chance of Crossfield being moved. Also Meren represents all of Fox Mill but only a fraction of Crossfield hence, the only option she has to protect South Lakes it to retain Fox Mill.


I doubt they are going to make any changes to Crossfield.


I knew this mom would show up. As I mentioned a couple days ago, there is a small contingent of Crossfield mamas who will be livid that their kids no longer get to go to Oakton. This is one of them.


As someone who finds those mamas to be insufferable I admit I will be entertained if this happens. My kids don’t go to Crossfield but we cross paths with them in a lot of other ways outside of school. They’re used to getting what they want and controlling everything. Rest assured they will mobilize if there is any hint of such a change.
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