Palisades Fire - Los Angeles

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Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that Pacific Palisades, Hollywood Hills, and Malibu are not at all normal neighborhoods in need of policy solutions that would address 99.9% of the rest of the country. These are ultra luxury houses owned by people who can either cover the cost of replacement without much trouble or people who have lived there long enough to be locked into extremely low public tax rates and affordable home insurance. They could have used their savings from taxes over the years to buy additional insurance or put that money into accounts for savings or to cover unexpected costs like these.

California's governors and mayors should also have been planning for emergencies and the priority of needed public safety measures. The results of poor leadership and planning are on display.

Actually California is top in the nation for emergency preparedness due to the climate changing and geography. There are fights between developers and the state about building on coastal bluffs that fall into the ocean. There are fights between people who own houses teetering on coastal bluffs that want to stay.

Climate change sucks. A lot more of the US and world is going to be destroyed.

The Santa Anna winds have been around since the beginning of time. Dirty politicians have not, that's where the blame lies.

It hasn't rained in LA in 8 months. That is not normal

So the potential for catastrophic fires should have been noted by leaders in govt.

Do you think the state of California should be watering forests and scrubland? The potential was noted and there were warnings

The way this is dealt with is controlled burns. Florida does this and has avoided major fires.

OMG the level of stupid is insane. Florida is humid and wet, CA and the western states are arid and dry. In Southern CA there are no forests to do prescribed burns.

They actually do in fact do prescribed burns in CA. The conditions have to be perfect though. No wind, lots of moisture forecasted .

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Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that Pacific Palisades, Hollywood Hills, and Malibu are not at all normal neighborhoods in need of policy solutions that would address 99.9% of the rest of the country. These are ultra luxury houses owned by people who can either cover the cost of replacement without much trouble or people who have lived there long enough to be locked into extremely low public tax rates and affordable home insurance. They could have used their savings from taxes over the years to buy additional insurance or put that money into accounts for savings or to cover unexpected costs like these.

California's governors and mayors should also have been planning for emergencies and the priority of needed public safety measures. The results of poor leadership and planning are on display.

Actually California is top in the nation for emergency preparedness due to the climate changing and geography. There are fights between developers and the state about building on coastal bluffs that fall into the ocean. There are fights between people who own houses teetering on coastal bluffs that want to stay.

Climate change sucks. A lot more of the US and world is going to be destroyed.

The Santa Anna winds have been around since the beginning of time. Dirty politicians have not, that's where the blame lies.

It hasn't rained in LA in 8 months. That is not normal

So the potential for catastrophic fires should have been noted by leaders in govt.

Do you think the state of California should be watering forests and scrubland? The potential was noted and there were warnings

The way this is dealt with is controlled burns. Florida does this and has avoided major fires.

OMG the level of stupid is insane. Florida is humid and wet, CA and the western states are arid and dry. In Southern CA there are no forests to do prescribed burns.

Well, then. Some of you keep saying nothing can be done, and that the rest of us are stupid? Keep living there. That sounds smart.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if those who lost their home were insured how many people who have lived in their homes for decades will be able to afford the new property tax assessments? I think people are going to leave in droves.

The property tax is assessed based on the value of the home. Assuming they rebuild a new home of similar size it won’t be that different.

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Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that Pacific Palisades, Hollywood Hills, and Malibu are not at all normal neighborhoods in need of policy solutions that would address 99.9% of the rest of the country. These are ultra luxury houses owned by people who can either cover the cost of replacement without much trouble or people who have lived there long enough to be locked into extremely low public tax rates and affordable home insurance. They could have used their savings from taxes over the years to buy additional insurance or put that money into accounts for savings or to cover unexpected costs like these.

California's governors and mayors should also have been planning for emergencies and the priority of needed public safety measures. The results of poor leadership and planning are on display.

Actually California is top in the nation for emergency preparedness due to the climate changing and geography. There are fights between developers and the state about building on coastal bluffs that fall into the ocean. There are fights between people who own houses teetering on coastal bluffs that want to stay.

Climate change sucks. A lot more of the US and world is going to be destroyed.

The Santa Anna winds have been around since the beginning of time. Dirty politicians have not, that's where the blame lies.

It hasn't rained in LA in 8 months. That is not normal

So the potential for catastrophic fires should have been noted by leaders in govt.

Do you think the state of California should be watering forests and scrubland? The potential was noted and there were warnings

Increase water reservoirs? Increase number of firefighters and equipment? Take other helpful measures? Not ask for budget cuts? Not be absent and traveling?

Would a public spanking by Daddy Trump suffice to end your braying? Y'all hate taxes.....remember?

Why is Trump always brought up as a defense? I agree with this post and I never voted for him and can't stand him. And people in LA/CA pay plenty of taxes.

Because NONE of what the OP is suggesting would've mattered in the face of 100mph Santa Ana winds and no rain for 8 months. Those are acts of god. You could've doubled the LAFD budget, bought 100 more engines, open 3 new reservoirs China-style in 3 months....and it would not have mattered. At all.

How is this not sinking into your skulls? It was biblical.

-SoCal born & raised

+100. I'm a Midwest girl and even I know this was unstoppable. I love how people think they can control nature and wield so much power as a species. We just can't, in fact we suck at a lot of things v to the rest of living things. The few things we do well have allowed us to take over the earth but we are still mere mortals with limited powers

Questions being asked...
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Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that Pacific Palisades, Hollywood Hills, and Malibu are not at all normal neighborhoods in need of policy solutions that would address 99.9% of the rest of the country. These are ultra luxury houses owned by people who can either cover the cost of replacement without much trouble or people who have lived there long enough to be locked into extremely low public tax rates and affordable home insurance. They could have used their savings from taxes over the years to buy additional insurance or put that money into accounts for savings or to cover unexpected costs like these.

California's governors and mayors should also have been planning for emergencies and the priority of needed public safety measures. The results of poor leadership and planning are on display.

Actually California is top in the nation for emergency preparedness due to the climate changing and geography. There are fights between developers and the state about building on coastal bluffs that fall into the ocean. There are fights between people who own houses teetering on coastal bluffs that want to stay.

Climate change sucks. A lot more of the US and world is going to be destroyed.

The Santa Anna winds have been around since the beginning of time. Dirty politicians have not, that's where the blame lies.

It hasn't rained in LA in 8 months. That is not normal

So the potential for catastrophic fires should have been noted by leaders in govt.

Do you think the state of California should be watering forests and scrubland? The potential was noted and there were warnings

Increase water reservoirs? Increase number of firefighters and equipment? Take other helpful measures? Not ask for budget cuts? Not be absent and traveling?

Would a public spanking by Daddy Trump suffice to end your braying? Y'all hate taxes.....remember?

Why is Trump always brought up as a defense? I agree with this post and I never voted for him and can't stand him. And people in LA/CA pay plenty of taxes.

Because NONE of what the OP is suggesting would've mattered in the face of 100mph Santa Ana winds and no rain for 8 months. Those are acts of god. You could've doubled the LAFD budget, bought 100 more engines, open 3 new reservoirs China-style in 3 months....and it would not have mattered. At all.

How is this not sinking into your skulls? It was biblical.

-SoCal born & raised

This is simply untrue. You do not know better than firefighters, local officials interviewed who said there were shortages of trucks, limits on overtime, not enough resources allocated to respond optimally, that the infrastructure is old. It would not have stopped the winds but it would have helped the response.

Holy crap, they do PREPARE. They prepared. Were there limits on overtime this week? Uh no. They recalled all firefighters who were off-duty. They actually do preventative brush clearing in all of these communities to the best of their abilities.

You're basically demanding an unlimited budget....yet you all hate taxes. Nothing you says makes any logical sense.

I am certainly not blaming firefighters or saying they do not prepare (never said so!). I am saying MORE resources, MORE engines, MORE firefighters would have helped, and yes, an increased budget would have been needed. I also don't hate taxes. You keep repeating something I never said (I am not a Republican btw, and voted for Harris).

The LAFD Fire Chief herself said it would have made a difference:

"My message is the fire department needs to be properly funded," Crowley said. "It’s not."Crowley, however, disagreed.

"Any budget cut is going to impact our ability to provide service," Crowley said.

Crowley said since 2010, the amount of calls firefighters have responded to has doubled, but there are fewer fire stations now than there were then – and 68 fewer firefighters.

"The fire department needs to be funded appropriately so that I can look any community member in the eye and say your LAFD’s got your back," Crowley said.

What a bunch of blah blah blah. Everybody knows the problem isn’t the water, equipment, or funding. The problem is the LA fire department isn’t diverse enough!

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Anonymous wrote:Even if those who lost their home were insured how many people who have lived in their homes for decades will be able to afford the new property tax assessments? I think people are going to leave in droves.

The property tax is assessed based on the value of the home. Assuming they rebuild a new home of similar size it won’t be that different.

I was under the impression most places there don’t reassess taxes until the property is sold, rebuilt or improved. There are people paying $3500 in property tax a year on 3 million dollar homes they purchased 30 years ago. If they are rebuilt as a like structure wouldn’t their rate go up?

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Anonymous wrote:Even if those who lost their home were insured how many people who have lived in their homes for decades will be able to afford the new property tax assessments? I think people are going to leave in droves.

The property tax is assessed based on the value of the home. Assuming they rebuild a new home of similar size it won’t be that different.

I was under the impression most places there don’t reassess taxes until the property is sold, rebuilt or improved. There are people paying $3500 in property tax a year on 3 million dollar homes they purchased 30 years ago. If they are rebuilt as a like structure wouldn’t their rate go up?

No, I believe the rule is under Prop 13 you keep the last tax assessment as long as it is rebuilt in a "like manner" with similar square footage and specs.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if those who lost their home were insured how many people who have lived in their homes for decades will be able to afford the new property tax assessments? I think people are going to leave in droves.

The property tax is assessed based on the value of the home. Assuming they rebuild a new home of similar size it won’t be that different.

I was under the impression most places there don’t reassess taxes until the property is sold, rebuilt or improved. There are people paying $3500 in property tax a year on 3 million dollar homes they purchased 30 years ago. If they are rebuilt as a like structure wouldn’t their rate go up?

No, I believe the rule is under Prop 13 you keep the last tax assessment as long as it is rebuilt in a "like manner" with similar square footage and specs.

PP here. This is assuming it was rebuilt after a disaster like a fire, not being rebuilt after you voluntarily tore it down

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Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that Pacific Palisades, Hollywood Hills, and Malibu are not at all normal neighborhoods in need of policy solutions that would address 99.9% of the rest of the country. These are ultra luxury houses owned by people who can either cover the cost of replacement without much trouble or people who have lived there long enough to be locked into extremely low public tax rates and affordable home insurance. They could have used their savings from taxes over the years to buy additional insurance or put that money into accounts for savings or to cover unexpected costs like these.

California's governors and mayors should also have been planning for emergencies and the priority of needed public safety measures. The results of poor leadership and planning are on display.

Actually California is top in the nation for emergency preparedness due to the climate changing and geography. There are fights between developers and the state about building on coastal bluffs that fall into the ocean. There are fights between people who own houses teetering on coastal bluffs that want to stay.

Climate change sucks. A lot more of the US and world is going to be destroyed.

The Santa Anna winds have been around since the beginning of time. Dirty politicians have not, that's where the blame lies.

It hasn't rained in LA in 8 months. That is not normal

So the potential for catastrophic fires should have been noted by leaders in govt.

Do you think the state of California should be watering forests and scrubland? The potential was noted and there were warnings

The way this is dealt with is controlled burns. Florida does this and has avoided major fires.

OMG the level of stupid is insane. Florida is humid and wet, CA and the western states are arid and dry. In Southern CA there are no forests to do prescribed burns.

They actually do in fact do prescribed burns in CA. The conditions have to be perfect though. No wind, lots of moisture forecasted .

This. However, in many years, there are no safe days to do them in certain locations. And even on a "safe" day, it carries risk because winds can quickly pick up and appear there. The largest wildfire in New Mexico history started as a controlled burn that got out of control.

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Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that Pacific Palisades, Hollywood Hills, and Malibu are not at all normal neighborhoods in need of policy solutions that would address 99.9% of the rest of the country. These are ultra luxury houses owned by people who can either cover the cost of replacement without much trouble or people who have lived there long enough to be locked into extremely low public tax rates and affordable home insurance. They could have used their savings from taxes over the years to buy additional insurance or put that money into accounts for savings or to cover unexpected costs like these.

California's governors and mayors should also have been planning for emergencies and the priority of needed public safety measures. The results of poor leadership and planning are on display.

The richest state in the richest country can find a way to solve its own problems

The "richest state" has astronomical debt and this event may be the tipping point.
Folks are going to get out of Dodge I mean California in record numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that Pacific Palisades, Hollywood Hills, and Malibu are not at all normal neighborhoods in need of policy solutions that would address 99.9% of the rest of the country. These are ultra luxury houses owned by people who can either cover the cost of replacement without much trouble or people who have lived there long enough to be locked into extremely low public tax rates and affordable home insurance. They could have used their savings from taxes over the years to buy additional insurance or put that money into accounts for savings or to cover unexpected costs like these.

California's governors and mayors should also have been planning for emergencies and the priority of needed public safety measures. The results of poor leadership and planning are on display.

Actually California is top in the nation for emergency preparedness due to the climate changing and geography. There are fights between developers and the state about building on coastal bluffs that fall into the ocean. There are fights between people who own houses teetering on coastal bluffs that want to stay.

Climate change sucks. A lot more of the US and world is going to be destroyed.

The Santa Anna winds have been around since the beginning of time. Dirty politicians have not, that's where the blame lies.

It hasn't rained in LA in 8 months. That is not normal

So the potential for catastrophic fires should have been noted by leaders in govt.

Do you think the state of California should be watering forests and scrubland? The potential was noted and there were warnings

Increase water reservoirs? Increase number of firefighters and equipment? Take other helpful measures? Not ask for budget cuts? Not be absent and traveling?

Would a public spanking by Daddy Trump suffice to end your braying? Y'all hate taxes.....remember?

Why is Trump always brought up as a defense? I agree with this post and I never voted for him and can't stand him. And people in LA/CA pay plenty of taxes.

Because NONE of what the OP is suggesting would've mattered in the face of 100mph Santa Ana winds and no rain for 8 months. Those are acts of god. You could've doubled the LAFD budget, bought 100 more engines, open 3 new reservoirs China-style in 3 months....and it would not have mattered. At all.

How is this not sinking into your skulls? It was biblical.

-SoCal born & raised

This is simply untrue. You do not know better than firefighters, local officials interviewed who said there were shortages of trucks, limits on overtime, not enough resources allocated to respond optimally, that the infrastructure is old. It would not have stopped the winds but it would have helped the response.

Holy crap, they do PREPARE. They prepared. Were there limits on overtime this week? Uh no. They recalled all firefighters who were off-duty. They actually do preventative brush clearing in all of these communities to the best of their abilities.

You're basically demanding an unlimited budget....yet you all hate taxes. Nothing you says makes any logical sense.

I am certainly not blaming firefighters or saying they do not prepare (never said so!). I am saying MORE resources, MORE engines, MORE firefighters would have helped, and yes, an increased budget would have been needed. I also don't hate taxes. You keep repeating something I never said (I am not a Republican btw, and voted for Harris).

The LAFD Fire Chief herself said it would have made a difference:

"My message is the fire department needs to be properly funded," Crowley said. "It’s not."Crowley, however, disagreed.

"Any budget cut is going to impact our ability to provide service," Crowley said.

Crowley said since 2010, the amount of calls firefighters have responded to has doubled, but there are fewer fire stations now than there were then – and 68 fewer firefighters.

"The fire department needs to be funded appropriately so that I can look any community member in the eye and say your LAFD’s got your back," Crowley said.

What a bunch of blah blah blah. Everybody knows the problem isn’t the water, equipment, or funding. The problem is the LA fire department isn’t diverse enough!

I never wrote that funding wasn't enough or should be more for the firefighters. What I claim is that nothing could have helped these specific fires be put out quicker. Seriously - have you seen the wind speeds? Wind is fuel. Hydrants full of water wasn't going to help. This was something out of Armageddon - it's a tragedy. There's a real difference between having what you need and being able to solve every problem. This was simply not a failure of function as much as it was a failure of ever being in that situation. I mean there is nothing you can do when fire spreads that fast.

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Anonymous wrote:LA is a nightmare, just suburbia stretched out.
Many areas have only a few good highways to get into and out of. Despite this they are popular areas to live in. Evacuation orders cause huge traffic jams.
There is no metro.
This is in someway an opportunity for city planners to rethink and create a better more functional city.
Don’t ask me about the school system, their education is a nightmare too.
One would think that the richest state in the richest country could do better.
Currently they are tackling homelessness by pretending it doesn’t exist even though that has not helped at all

California is the wealthiest state, kind of. They have 500 BILLION of debt. That is the highest debt to income ratio of any state - 106%!
NY is the next most in debt state but no where close to California.

CA swings wildly based on IPOs. For years CA has had billions in surplus. Interest rates going up and the banking issue in SV put a damper on the IPOs. Between reserves , being able to adjust the budget and new start ups recovering it’s fine. CA often ends higher than projected.

CA public education is excellent in some areas and crappy in others, like everywhere else. The public school in some areas of LA , not LA unified and the Bay Area , not San Jose Unified are better than your top public schools in the DMV. The UC system is the best in the nation. Berkeley, UCLA, San Diego, Santa Barbara, Irvine and Davis are light years better than other state flagships. Heck, the top Cal State schools are better than most state flagships.

The schools that are good are good because of the types of students that go there, not what the administration is doing or what they're investing in students. You'll get large class sizes and not-great per pupil spending but a good student population especially since some parts of CA don't have as much of a private school culture.

The curriculum was far, far better than MCPS. The buildings and grounds were so much better too. The class sizes were not larger than MCPS. There was more parent and foundation funding for things which you couldn’t do in MCPS. The UC system attract top faculty that get top research grants. The state is large enough and the state options compelling enough that you don’t siphon off the best students to private universities out of state.

A lot of the schools are trailers and look like shanty towns. The facilities are terrible with little security in LA.

I’m not the PP but I don’t think you have any personal experience with LA schools.

That having been said in years of reading DCUM I have found that the gaping emotional need of some DCUM posters to believe California schools are universally bad is weirdly large. I don’t get it but whatever.

I attended CA public schools; did you?

Stop trying to gaslight people about California’s public school system.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/california-math-framework-algebra/675509/

That PP probably attended California schools in the 60s and is trying to tell everyone how it is today. What a joke. I think PP has zero personal experience with LA schools lately. Otherwise tell us the specific name of the fabulous school?

Let me guess, you haven’t been in California in thirty years but spend your days obsessing on DCUM about California schools.

Such a weird hobby but you are very recognizable in your dysfunction.

Why do people make such ridiculous statements? I just left there a few years ago. I have 3 kids in elementary school still. Sorry I hit a nerve but the schools aren't that great.

Ah. Yes, that tracks. The people who leave California for DC are often the most desperate to trash California schools. It’s a known pattern.

It always cracks me up how some sad DCUM parents are desperate to get their kids into UCLA but yet extremely loud about how they believe California has no good public schools at all. The cognitive disconnect is something, that’s for sure.

Tracks with what? I'm not in DC either. It's a whole big country out there and people have more than 1 or 2 experiences.

You are psychologically in DC. 😂

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Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that Pacific Palisades, Hollywood Hills, and Malibu are not at all normal neighborhoods in need of policy solutions that would address 99.9% of the rest of the country. These are ultra luxury houses owned by people who can either cover the cost of replacement without much trouble or people who have lived there long enough to be locked into extremely low public tax rates and affordable home insurance. They could have used their savings from taxes over the years to buy additional insurance or put that money into accounts for savings or to cover unexpected costs like these.

California's governors and mayors should also have been planning for emergencies and the priority of needed public safety measures. The results of poor leadership and planning are on display.

Actually California is top in the nation for emergency preparedness due to the climate changing and geography. There are fights between developers and the state about building on coastal bluffs that fall into the ocean. There are fights between people who own houses teetering on coastal bluffs that want to stay.

Climate change sucks. A lot more of the US and world is going to be destroyed.

The Santa Anna winds have been around since the beginning of time. Dirty politicians have not, that's where the blame lies.

It hasn't rained in LA in 8 months. That is not normal

So the potential for catastrophic fires should have been noted by leaders in govt.

Do you think the state of California should be watering forests and scrubland? The potential was noted and there were warnings

The way this is dealt with is controlled burns. Florida does this and has avoided major fires.

OMG the level of stupid is insane. Florida is humid and wet, CA and the western states are arid and dry. In Southern CA there are no forests to do prescribed burns.

Well, then. Some of you keep saying nothing can be done, and that the rest of us are stupid? Keep living there. That sounds smart.

Not the PP but that indeed sounds smarter than you are.

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Human nature is to try and find people to blame (arsonists/ government/ fire fighters etc). …

Unpopular opinion: we are all to blame for extreme weather that led to the scale of devastation of the LA fires: we all need to do better in reducing our carbon footprint prints and to vote for representatives who take climate change seriously,

Condolences to all who are in harms way or have loved ones who are. May we all do better to mitigate climate change.

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I personally think that we should keep fighting this fire like Elon and Donold, one mean tweet at the time. Time tested strategery.
This thread is definitely helping as well,