FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line to all of these discussions seems to be: If I bought in WSHS pyramid, I'm against boundary changes and if I bought in Lewis pyramid, I'm for and can think of all the justifications for/against in either scenario. Honestly though, the boundaries haven't changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change.

Maybe in some parts of the county, but in West Springfield, they changed in 2004 when South County HS opened. (See this collection of Letters to the Editor sent by unhappy residents at that time: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2004/12/09/drawing-south-county-lines/b39f8591-b68b-4db3-855a-1aefacdc14ec/).

They changed again more recently when the Daventry neighborhood was switched to WSHS from Lewis HS.

I don't know why Daventry Mom keeps turning this thread to focus on WSHS when there are a lot of areas of the county that make more sense for this boundary study to focus on. But here we are.

I went back and researched old Washington post articles from when South County was opened. The school board has been hurting Lewis high school for close to 20 years. South Hunt Valley was redistributed to West Springfield from Lee as part of the South County boundary adjustment when the school was opened. Then Daventry was moved to West Springfield. Why did that happen?

Hunt Valley was redistriced to WSHS 20 years ago because kids south of the parkway went from Hunt Valley to Irving to Lee(Lewis) while their friends went on to WSHS. The neighborhoods asked the SB to send their kids to WSHS instead so they wouldn’t lose all their friends.

+1 they fixed a split feeder, which is one of the stated goals of the current boundary changes as well.

There wouldn’t be a split feeder if all of Hunt Valley or another WS feeder were reassigned to Key and Lewis.

Exactly. Hunt Valley going to Lewis.

Take a moment to do this geography experiment (especially Thru consultants and SB staffers): go on google maps and draw a line from HVES to Lewis. The line distance is 4.15 miles, but let's go ahead and round down to 4.

Trace that line starting at HVES (Community #1) and move east/northeast crossing over Pohick Creek. At .75 miles off to your left is lovely Rolling Valley ES as you cross through the Rolling Valley neighborhood (Community #2) Continue across Rolling Rd to the 1.40 mile mark where the line intersects the southern edge of the WSES building and the Greeley neighborhood (Community #3). Continue another .6 miles and you are at the 2 mile halfway mark, where it intersects with the entry to Daventry at Hunter Village Drive (Community #4).

You can argue about how the line is drawn and start and end points, but no matter the case your line is crossing through two elementary schools and 3 distinct neighborhood communities on its way to Lewis. So for the Saratoga mom and Daventry folks who continue to spout "HVES to Lewis," give us all a break. What you are posting is not rational.

I agree with you that HVES should not move to Lewis, but your line is completely nonsensical because you can't drive across Pohick creek, or barely walk across it (though we swam in it during covid - I still can't believe I let my kids do that). It's a natural barrier. And though Rolling Valley, WSES, and Keene Mill are probably closer to Lewis they also all have students that are closer to West Springfield High School than anyone at Hunt Valley. All three of those schools have walkers for either Irving or WSHS.

I actually do agree with you about Hunt Valley staying at WSHS, but that's not your best argument.

This. It’s the only school that doesn’t walk. HV folks need to find another argument, but there really isn’t one.

They can tell the truth of why they don't want to be moved to Lewis!

HV doesn't need to explain anything. The SB would need to explain why moving HV to Lewis makes sense compared to other less disruptive options. Also what problem are they trying to solve? "Overcrowding" at WSHS? Or Lewis under-enrollment? If the latter, there are other options to look at on the other side of the Mixing Bowl that could help with that which doesn't require bussing kids so far. There will be new development near Edison in the next few years if redevelopment plans for Top Golf and the old gov center go thru and that school is already pretty full given the academy classes.

There are a lot of moving parts here and honestly, these transparent efforts by Daventry and Saratoga Mom to make this about HV are weird and unproductive.

What if the problem that they want to solve is a disparity in FARMS rates?

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line to all of these discussions seems to be: If I bought in WSHS pyramid, I'm against boundary changes and if I bought in Lewis pyramid, I'm for and can think of all the justifications for/against in either scenario. Honestly though, the boundaries haven't changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change.

The bolded is a lie being told by the school board.

The entire area from West Springfield, Lake Braddock, Lewis (then Lee) and Hayfield was completely rezoned when South County opened in 2005.

Using "they haven't been rezoned since the early 80s" as one of the justifications for rezoning those 22150, 22151, 22152 and 22153 neighborhoods is very disingenuous, if not an outright lie

OK, fair point, PP should have said "the boundaries haven't been comprehensively changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change. Have there been piecemeal changes along the way in some pyramids? Sure. But that's not the same as taking a system-wide look at things.

Piecemeal changes address actual problems. Comprehensive changes address equity.

Unnecessary disruption.

Lucky you then. They are doing a piecemeal boundary change to achieve equity under the guise of a comprehensive boundary review. There is no way they are touching anyone else's boundaries except for Lewis/WSHS and Langley/Herndon. They just can't outright say that because they would get massive blowback.

Are you calling Dunne a liar? He said last recorded school board meeting that every pyramid would be impacted.

Womp womp.

Does anyone really think the demographics at the rich schools will change?

Fair. Langley parents likely won't let that happen. WSHS parents aren't rich enough to stop it from happening

Even if they move part of Tysons to Langley its FARMS rate likely would stay under 10%. The issue is more whether they move one of the Langley feeders to Herndon, which is closer to 55% FARMS. That would take some real cojones on the part of the SB, of a type not displayed for many years.

I think that kind of move (probably Forestville ES) COULD be on the table at some point if borders need to be adjusted to account for more development in the Tysons area and Langley is pushed into over-enrollment as a result. However there is also development possibly slated for Herndon, so HHS may be unable to absorb a whole additional feeder or even any more students period. Thus we set off a chain reaction, but options are very limited in that area without the mythical new Western HS.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line to all of these discussions seems to be: If I bought in WSHS pyramid, I'm against boundary changes and if I bought in Lewis pyramid, I'm for and can think of all the justifications for/against in either scenario. Honestly though, the boundaries haven't changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change.

Maybe in some parts of the county, but in West Springfield, they changed in 2004 when South County HS opened. (See this collection of Letters to the Editor sent by unhappy residents at that time: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2004/12/09/drawing-south-county-lines/b39f8591-b68b-4db3-855a-1aefacdc14ec/).

They changed again more recently when the Daventry neighborhood was switched to WSHS from Lewis HS.

I don't know why Daventry Mom keeps turning this thread to focus on WSHS when there are a lot of areas of the county that make more sense for this boundary study to focus on. But here we are.

I went back and researched old Washington post articles from when South County was opened. The school board has been hurting Lewis high school for close to 20 years. South Hunt Valley was redistributed to West Springfield from Lee as part of the South County boundary adjustment when the school was opened. Then Daventry was moved to West Springfield. Why did that happen?

Hunt Valley was redistriced to WSHS 20 years ago because kids south of the parkway went from Hunt Valley to Irving to Lee(Lewis) while their friends went on to WSHS. The neighborhoods asked the SB to send their kids to WSHS instead so they wouldn’t lose all their friends.

+1 they fixed a split feeder, which is one of the stated goals of the current boundary changes as well.

There wouldn’t be a split feeder if all of Hunt Valley or another WS feeder were reassigned to Key and Lewis.

Exactly. Hunt Valley going to Lewis.

Take a moment to do this geography experiment (especially Thru consultants and SB staffers): go on google maps and draw a line from HVES to Lewis. The line distance is 4.15 miles, but let's go ahead and round down to 4.

Trace that line starting at HVES (Community #1) and move east/northeast crossing over Pohick Creek. At .75 miles off to your left is lovely Rolling Valley ES as you cross through the Rolling Valley neighborhood (Community #2) Continue across Rolling Rd to the 1.40 mile mark where the line intersects the southern edge of the WSES building and the Greeley neighborhood (Community #3). Continue another .6 miles and you are at the 2 mile halfway mark, where it intersects with the entry to Daventry at Hunter Village Drive (Community #4).

You can argue about how the line is drawn and start and end points, but no matter the case your line is crossing through two elementary schools and 3 distinct neighborhood communities on its way to Lewis. So for the Saratoga mom and Daventry folks who continue to spout "HVES to Lewis," give us all a break. What you are posting is not rational.

I agree with you that HVES should not move to Lewis, but your line is completely nonsensical because you can't drive across Pohick creek, or barely walk across it (though we swam in it during covid - I still can't believe I let my kids do that). It's a natural barrier. And though Rolling Valley, WSES, and Keene Mill are probably closer to Lewis they also all have students that are closer to West Springfield High School than anyone at Hunt Valley. All three of those schools have walkers for either Irving or WSHS.

I actually do agree with you about Hunt Valley staying at WSHS, but that's not your best argument.

This. It’s the only school that doesn’t walk. HV folks need to find another argument, but there really isn’t one.

They can tell the truth of why they don't want to be moved to Lewis!

HV doesn't need to explain anything. The SB would need to explain why moving HV to Lewis makes sense compared to other less disruptive options. Also what problem are they trying to solve? "Overcrowding" at WSHS? Or Lewis under-enrollment? If the latter, there are other options to look at on the other side of the Mixing Bowl that could help with that which doesn't require bussing kids so far. There will be new development near Edison in the next few years if redevelopment plans for Top Golf and the old gov center go thru and that school is already pretty full given the academy classes.

There are a lot of moving parts here and honestly, these transparent efforts by Daventry and Saratoga Mom to make this about HV are weird and unproductive.

FWIW, the majority of Lewis' catchment pulls from the West Springfield side of the mixing bowl. Four entire elementary school feeders for Lewis are on the west side of I95, and half of Forestdale is also on the west. Only Springfield Estates is entirely on the east side. The mixing bowl and highways are often brought up as natural barriers for pyramid boundaries but it is not common practice, see also Langley, Falls Church, Marshall, South County, and South Lakes (267).

If one wants to argue that elementary schools shouldn't cross I95 because development near Edison will require Lewis to take on new eastern neighborhoods, that argument could backfire and propagate a couple elementary schools like Crestwood, Garfield, or Lynbrook over to WS in some ripple effect changes.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line to all of these discussions seems to be: If I bought in WSHS pyramid, I'm against boundary changes and if I bought in Lewis pyramid, I'm for and can think of all the justifications for/against in either scenario. Honestly though, the boundaries haven't changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change.

Maybe in some parts of the county, but in West Springfield, they changed in 2004 when South County HS opened. (See this collection of Letters to the Editor sent by unhappy residents at that time: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2004/12/09/drawing-south-county-lines/b39f8591-b68b-4db3-855a-1aefacdc14ec/).

They changed again more recently when the Daventry neighborhood was switched to WSHS from Lewis HS.

I don't know why Daventry Mom keeps turning this thread to focus on WSHS when there are a lot of areas of the county that make more sense for this boundary study to focus on. But here we are.

I went back and researched old Washington post articles from when South County was opened. The school board has been hurting Lewis high school for close to 20 years. South Hunt Valley was redistributed to West Springfield from Lee as part of the South County boundary adjustment when the school was opened. Then Daventry was moved to West Springfield. Why did that happen?

Hunt Valley was redistriced to WSHS 20 years ago because kids south of the parkway went from Hunt Valley to Irving to Lee(Lewis) while their friends went on to WSHS. The neighborhoods asked the SB to send their kids to WSHS instead so they wouldn’t lose all their friends.

+1 they fixed a split feeder, which is one of the stated goals of the current boundary changes as well.

There wouldn’t be a split feeder if all of Hunt Valley or another WS feeder were reassigned to Key and Lewis.

Exactly. Hunt Valley going to Lewis.

Take a moment to do this geography experiment (especially Thru consultants and SB staffers): go on google maps and draw a line from HVES to Lewis. The line distance is 4.15 miles, but let's go ahead and round down to 4.

Trace that line starting at HVES (Community #1) and move east/northeast crossing over Pohick Creek. At .75 miles off to your left is lovely Rolling Valley ES as you cross through the Rolling Valley neighborhood (Community #2) Continue across Rolling Rd to the 1.40 mile mark where the line intersects the southern edge of the WSES building and the Greeley neighborhood (Community #3). Continue another .6 miles and you are at the 2 mile halfway mark, where it intersects with the entry to Daventry at Hunter Village Drive (Community #4).

You can argue about how the line is drawn and start and end points, but no matter the case your line is crossing through two elementary schools and 3 distinct neighborhood communities on its way to Lewis. So for the Saratoga mom and Daventry folks who continue to spout "HVES to Lewis," give us all a break. What you are posting is not rational.

I agree with you that HVES should not move to Lewis, but your line is completely nonsensical because you can't drive across Pohick creek, or barely walk across it (though we swam in it during covid - I still can't believe I let my kids do that). It's a natural barrier. And though Rolling Valley, WSES, and Keene Mill are probably closer to Lewis they also all have students that are closer to West Springfield High School than anyone at Hunt Valley. All three of those schools have walkers for either Irving or WSHS.

I actually do agree with you about Hunt Valley staying at WSHS, but that's not your best argument.

This. It’s the only school that doesn’t walk. HV folks need to find another argument, but there really isn’t one.

They can tell the truth of why they don't want to be moved to Lewis!

HV doesn't need to explain anything. The SB would need to explain why moving HV to Lewis makes sense compared to other less disruptive options. Also what problem are they trying to solve? "Overcrowding" at WSHS? Or Lewis under-enrollment? If the latter, there are other options to look at on the other side of the Mixing Bowl that could help with that which doesn't require bussing kids so far. There will be new development near Edison in the next few years if redevelopment plans for Top Golf and the old gov center go thru and that school is already pretty full given the academy classes.

There are a lot of moving parts here and honestly, these transparent efforts by Daventry and Saratoga Mom to make this about HV are weird and unproductive.

What if the problem that they want to solve is a disparity in FARMS rates?

That wasn’t one of the justifications provided when the SB kicked off this process, if memory serves. Is that one of the inputs being used to create the new boundaries by this consulting firm?

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line to all of these discussions seems to be: If I bought in WSHS pyramid, I'm against boundary changes and if I bought in Lewis pyramid, I'm for and can think of all the justifications for/against in either scenario. Honestly though, the boundaries haven't changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change.

Maybe in some parts of the county, but in West Springfield, they changed in 2004 when South County HS opened. (See this collection of Letters to the Editor sent by unhappy residents at that time: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2004/12/09/drawing-south-county-lines/b39f8591-b68b-4db3-855a-1aefacdc14ec/).

They changed again more recently when the Daventry neighborhood was switched to WSHS from Lewis HS.

I don't know why Daventry Mom keeps turning this thread to focus on WSHS when there are a lot of areas of the county that make more sense for this boundary study to focus on. But here we are.

I went back and researched old Washington post articles from when South County was opened. The school board has been hurting Lewis high school for close to 20 years. South Hunt Valley was redistributed to West Springfield from Lee as part of the South County boundary adjustment when the school was opened. Then Daventry was moved to West Springfield. Why did that happen?

Hunt Valley was redistriced to WSHS 20 years ago because kids south of the parkway went from Hunt Valley to Irving to Lee(Lewis) while their friends went on to WSHS. The neighborhoods asked the SB to send their kids to WSHS instead so they wouldn’t lose all their friends.

+1 they fixed a split feeder, which is one of the stated goals of the current boundary changes as well.

There wouldn’t be a split feeder if all of Hunt Valley or another WS feeder were reassigned to Key and Lewis.

Exactly. Hunt Valley going to Lewis.

Take a moment to do this geography experiment (especially Thru consultants and SB staffers): go on google maps and draw a line from HVES to Lewis. The line distance is 4.15 miles, but let's go ahead and round down to 4.

Trace that line starting at HVES (Community #1) and move east/northeast crossing over Pohick Creek. At .75 miles off to your left is lovely Rolling Valley ES as you cross through the Rolling Valley neighborhood (Community #2) Continue across Rolling Rd to the 1.40 mile mark where the line intersects the southern edge of the WSES building and the Greeley neighborhood (Community #3). Continue another .6 miles and you are at the 2 mile halfway mark, where it intersects with the entry to Daventry at Hunter Village Drive (Community #4).

You can argue about how the line is drawn and start and end points, but no matter the case your line is crossing through two elementary schools and 3 distinct neighborhood communities on its way to Lewis. So for the Saratoga mom and Daventry folks who continue to spout "HVES to Lewis," give us all a break. What you are posting is not rational.

I agree with you that HVES should not move to Lewis, but your line is completely nonsensical because you can't drive across Pohick creek, or barely walk across it (though we swam in it during covid - I still can't believe I let my kids do that). It's a natural barrier. And though Rolling Valley, WSES, and Keene Mill are probably closer to Lewis they also all have students that are closer to West Springfield High School than anyone at Hunt Valley. All three of those schools have walkers for either Irving or WSHS.

I actually do agree with you about Hunt Valley staying at WSHS, but that's not your best argument.

This. It’s the only school that doesn’t walk. HV folks need to find another argument, but there really isn’t one.

They can tell the truth of why they don't want to be moved to Lewis!

HV doesn't need to explain anything. The SB would need to explain why moving HV to Lewis makes sense compared to other less disruptive options. Also what problem are they trying to solve? "Overcrowding" at WSHS? Or Lewis under-enrollment? If the latter, there are other options to look at on the other side of the Mixing Bowl that could help with that which doesn't require bussing kids so far. There will be new development near Edison in the next few years if redevelopment plans for Top Golf and the old gov center go thru and that school is already pretty full given the academy classes.

There are a lot of moving parts here and honestly, these transparent efforts by Daventry and Saratoga Mom to make this about HV are weird and unproductive.

What if the problem that they want to solve is a disparity in FARMS rates?

That wasn’t one of the justifications provided when the SB kicked off this process, if memory serves. Is that one of the inputs being used to create the new boundaries by this consulting firm?

Equalizing or mitigating disparities in FARMS rates among schools is not a specified priority or consideration, but “equitable access to programming” is. So if disparities in FARMS rates are determined to preclude equitable access to programming, the consultants can propose changes to address those disparities under the guise of promoting more equitable access to programming. Whether the consultants would do so would presumably depend on the steer provided by the staff and SB members interacting with the consultants.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line to all of these discussions seems to be: If I bought in WSHS pyramid, I'm against boundary changes and if I bought in Lewis pyramid, I'm for and can think of all the justifications for/against in either scenario. Honestly though, the boundaries haven't changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change.

Maybe in some parts of the county, but in West Springfield, they changed in 2004 when South County HS opened. (See this collection of Letters to the Editor sent by unhappy residents at that time: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2004/12/09/drawing-south-county-lines/b39f8591-b68b-4db3-855a-1aefacdc14ec/).

They changed again more recently when the Daventry neighborhood was switched to WSHS from Lewis HS.

I don't know why Daventry Mom keeps turning this thread to focus on WSHS when there are a lot of areas of the county that make more sense for this boundary study to focus on. But here we are.

I went back and researched old Washington post articles from when South County was opened. The school board has been hurting Lewis high school for close to 20 years. South Hunt Valley was redistributed to West Springfield from Lee as part of the South County boundary adjustment when the school was opened. Then Daventry was moved to West Springfield. Why did that happen?

Hunt Valley was redistriced to WSHS 20 years ago because kids south of the parkway went from Hunt Valley to Irving to Lee(Lewis) while their friends went on to WSHS. The neighborhoods asked the SB to send their kids to WSHS instead so they wouldn’t lose all their friends.

+1 they fixed a split feeder, which is one of the stated goals of the current boundary changes as well.

There wouldn’t be a split feeder if all of Hunt Valley or another WS feeder were reassigned to Key and Lewis.

Exactly. Hunt Valley going to Lewis.

Take a moment to do this geography experiment (especially Thru consultants and SB staffers): go on google maps and draw a line from HVES to Lewis. The line distance is 4.15 miles, but let's go ahead and round down to 4.

Trace that line starting at HVES (Community #1) and move east/northeast crossing over Pohick Creek. At .75 miles off to your left is lovely Rolling Valley ES as you cross through the Rolling Valley neighborhood (Community #2) Continue across Rolling Rd to the 1.40 mile mark where the line intersects the southern edge of the WSES building and the Greeley neighborhood (Community #3). Continue another .6 miles and you are at the 2 mile halfway mark, where it intersects with the entry to Daventry at Hunter Village Drive (Community #4).

You can argue about how the line is drawn and start and end points, but no matter the case your line is crossing through two elementary schools and 3 distinct neighborhood communities on its way to Lewis. So for the Saratoga mom and Daventry folks who continue to spout "HVES to Lewis," give us all a break. What you are posting is not rational.

I agree with you that HVES should not move to Lewis, but your line is completely nonsensical because you can't drive across Pohick creek, or barely walk across it (though we swam in it during covid - I still can't believe I let my kids do that). It's a natural barrier. And though Rolling Valley, WSES, and Keene Mill are probably closer to Lewis they also all have students that are closer to West Springfield High School than anyone at Hunt Valley. All three of those schools have walkers for either Irving or WSHS.

I actually do agree with you about Hunt Valley staying at WSHS, but that's not your best argument.

This. It’s the only school that doesn’t walk. HV folks need to find another argument, but there really isn’t one.

They can tell the truth of why they don't want to be moved to Lewis!

HV doesn't need to explain anything. The SB would need to explain why moving HV to Lewis makes sense compared to other less disruptive options. Also what problem are they trying to solve? "Overcrowding" at WSHS? Or Lewis under-enrollment? If the latter, there are other options to look at on the other side of the Mixing Bowl that could help with that which doesn't require bussing kids so far. There will be new development near Edison in the next few years if redevelopment plans for Top Golf and the old gov center go thru and that school is already pretty full given the academy classes.

There are a lot of moving parts here and honestly, these transparent efforts by Daventry and Saratoga Mom to make this about HV are weird and unproductive.

What if the problem that they want to solve is a disparity in FARMS rates?

That wasn’t one of the justifications provided when the SB kicked off this process, if memory serves. Is that one of the inputs being used to create the new boundaries by this consulting firm?

Equalizing or mitigating disparities in FARMS rates among schools is not a specified priority or consideration, but “equitable access to programming” is. So if disparities in FARMS rates are determined to preclude equitable access to programming, the consultants can propose changes to address those disparities under the guise of promoting more equitable access to programming. Whether the consultants would do so would presumably depend on the steer provided by the staff and SB members interacting with the consultants.

Who even talks like this?

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line to all of these discussions seems to be: If I bought in WSHS pyramid, I'm against boundary changes and if I bought in Lewis pyramid, I'm for and can think of all the justifications for/against in either scenario. Honestly though, the boundaries haven't changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change.

Maybe in some parts of the county, but in West Springfield, they changed in 2004 when South County HS opened. (See this collection of Letters to the Editor sent by unhappy residents at that time: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2004/12/09/drawing-south-county-lines/b39f8591-b68b-4db3-855a-1aefacdc14ec/).

They changed again more recently when the Daventry neighborhood was switched to WSHS from Lewis HS.

I don't know why Daventry Mom keeps turning this thread to focus on WSHS when there are a lot of areas of the county that make more sense for this boundary study to focus on. But here we are.

I went back and researched old Washington post articles from when South County was opened. The school board has been hurting Lewis high school for close to 20 years. South Hunt Valley was redistributed to West Springfield from Lee as part of the South County boundary adjustment when the school was opened. Then Daventry was moved to West Springfield. Why did that happen?

Hunt Valley was redistriced to WSHS 20 years ago because kids south of the parkway went from Hunt Valley to Irving to Lee(Lewis) while their friends went on to WSHS. The neighborhoods asked the SB to send their kids to WSHS instead so they wouldn’t lose all their friends.

+1 they fixed a split feeder, which is one of the stated goals of the current boundary changes as well.

There wouldn’t be a split feeder if all of Hunt Valley or another WS feeder were reassigned to Key and Lewis.

Exactly. Hunt Valley going to Lewis.

Take a moment to do this geography experiment (especially Thru consultants and SB staffers): go on google maps and draw a line from HVES to Lewis. The line distance is 4.15 miles, but let's go ahead and round down to 4.

Trace that line starting at HVES (Community #1) and move east/northeast crossing over Pohick Creek. At .75 miles off to your left is lovely Rolling Valley ES as you cross through the Rolling Valley neighborhood (Community #2) Continue across Rolling Rd to the 1.40 mile mark where the line intersects the southern edge of the WSES building and the Greeley neighborhood (Community #3). Continue another .6 miles and you are at the 2 mile halfway mark, where it intersects with the entry to Daventry at Hunter Village Drive (Community #4).

You can argue about how the line is drawn and start and end points, but no matter the case your line is crossing through two elementary schools and 3 distinct neighborhood communities on its way to Lewis. So for the Saratoga mom and Daventry folks who continue to spout "HVES to Lewis," give us all a break. What you are posting is not rational.

I agree with you that HVES should not move to Lewis, but your line is completely nonsensical because you can't drive across Pohick creek, or barely walk across it (though we swam in it during covid - I still can't believe I let my kids do that). It's a natural barrier. And though Rolling Valley, WSES, and Keene Mill are probably closer to Lewis they also all have students that are closer to West Springfield High School than anyone at Hunt Valley. All three of those schools have walkers for either Irving or WSHS.

I actually do agree with you about Hunt Valley staying at WSHS, but that's not your best argument.

This. It’s the only school that doesn’t walk. HV folks need to find another argument, but there really isn’t one.

They can tell the truth of why they don't want to be moved to Lewis!

HV doesn't need to explain anything. The SB would need to explain why moving HV to Lewis makes sense compared to other less disruptive options. Also what problem are they trying to solve? "Overcrowding" at WSHS? Or Lewis under-enrollment? If the latter, there are other options to look at on the other side of the Mixing Bowl that could help with that which doesn't require bussing kids so far. There will be new development near Edison in the next few years if redevelopment plans for Top Golf and the old gov center go thru and that school is already pretty full given the academy classes.

There are a lot of moving parts here and honestly, these transparent efforts by Daventry and Saratoga Mom to make this about HV are weird and unproductive.

What if the problem that they want to solve is a disparity in FARMS rates?

That wasn’t one of the justifications provided when the SB kicked off this process, if memory serves. Is that one of the inputs being used to create the new boundaries by this consulting firm?

Equalizing or mitigating disparities in FARMS rates among schools is not a specified priority or consideration, but “equitable access to programming” is. So if disparities in FARMS rates are determined to preclude equitable access to programming, the consultants can propose changes to address those disparities under the guise of promoting more equitable access to programming. Whether the consultants would do so would presumably depend on the steer provided by the staff and SB members interacting with the consultants.

Who even talks like this?

Are you too intellectually challenged to follow it?

The point with a lot of this boundary stuff is that they can do whatever they want to do, while avoiding buzzwords that automatically set some people off.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line to all of these discussions seems to be: If I bought in WSHS pyramid, I'm against boundary changes and if I bought in Lewis pyramid, I'm for and can think of all the justifications for/against in either scenario. Honestly though, the boundaries haven't changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change.

Maybe in some parts of the county, but in West Springfield, they changed in 2004 when South County HS opened. (See this collection of Letters to the Editor sent by unhappy residents at that time: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2004/12/09/drawing-south-county-lines/b39f8591-b68b-4db3-855a-1aefacdc14ec/).

They changed again more recently when the Daventry neighborhood was switched to WSHS from Lewis HS.

I don't know why Daventry Mom keeps turning this thread to focus on WSHS when there are a lot of areas of the county that make more sense for this boundary study to focus on. But here we are.

I went back and researched old Washington post articles from when South County was opened. The school board has been hurting Lewis high school for close to 20 years. South Hunt Valley was redistributed to West Springfield from Lee as part of the South County boundary adjustment when the school was opened. Then Daventry was moved to West Springfield. Why did that happen?

Hunt Valley was redistriced to WSHS 20 years ago because kids south of the parkway went from Hunt Valley to Irving to Lee(Lewis) while their friends went on to WSHS. The neighborhoods asked the SB to send their kids to WSHS instead so they wouldn’t lose all their friends.

+1 they fixed a split feeder, which is one of the stated goals of the current boundary changes as well.

There wouldn’t be a split feeder if all of Hunt Valley or another WS feeder were reassigned to Key and Lewis.

Exactly. Hunt Valley going to Lewis.

Take a moment to do this geography experiment (especially Thru consultants and SB staffers): go on google maps and draw a line from HVES to Lewis. The line distance is 4.15 miles, but let's go ahead and round down to 4.

Trace that line starting at HVES (Community #1) and move east/northeast crossing over Pohick Creek. At .75 miles off to your left is lovely Rolling Valley ES as you cross through the Rolling Valley neighborhood (Community #2) Continue across Rolling Rd to the 1.40 mile mark where the line intersects the southern edge of the WSES building and the Greeley neighborhood (Community #3). Continue another .6 miles and you are at the 2 mile halfway mark, where it intersects with the entry to Daventry at Hunter Village Drive (Community #4).

You can argue about how the line is drawn and start and end points, but no matter the case your line is crossing through two elementary schools and 3 distinct neighborhood communities on its way to Lewis. So for the Saratoga mom and Daventry folks who continue to spout "HVES to Lewis," give us all a break. What you are posting is not rational.

I agree with you that HVES should not move to Lewis, but your line is completely nonsensical because you can't drive across Pohick creek, or barely walk across it (though we swam in it during covid - I still can't believe I let my kids do that). It's a natural barrier. And though Rolling Valley, WSES, and Keene Mill are probably closer to Lewis they also all have students that are closer to West Springfield High School than anyone at Hunt Valley. All three of those schools have walkers for either Irving or WSHS.

I actually do agree with you about Hunt Valley staying at WSHS, but that's not your best argument.

This. It’s the only school that doesn’t walk. HV folks need to find another argument, but there really isn’t one.

They can tell the truth of why they don't want to be moved to Lewis!

HV doesn't need to explain anything. The SB would need to explain why moving HV to Lewis makes sense compared to other less disruptive options. Also what problem are they trying to solve? "Overcrowding" at WSHS? Or Lewis under-enrollment? If the latter, there are other options to look at on the other side of the Mixing Bowl that could help with that which doesn't require bussing kids so far. There will be new development near Edison in the next few years if redevelopment plans for Top Golf and the old gov center go thru and that school is already pretty full given the academy classes.

There are a lot of moving parts here and honestly, these transparent efforts by Daventry and Saratoga Mom to make this about HV are weird and unproductive.

What if the problem that they want to solve is a disparity in FARMS rates?

That wasn’t one of the justifications provided when the SB kicked off this process, if memory serves. Is that one of the inputs being used to create the new boundaries by this consulting firm?

Equalizing or mitigating disparities in FARMS rates among schools is not a specified priority or consideration, but “equitable access to programming” is. So if disparities in FARMS rates are determined to preclude equitable access to programming, the consultants can propose changes to address those disparities under the guise of promoting more equitable access to programming. Whether the consultants would do so would presumably depend on the steer provided by the staff and SB members interacting with the consultants.

Who even talks like this?

Are you too intellectually challenged to follow it?

The point with a lot of this boundary stuff is that they can do whatever they want to do, while avoiding buzzwords that automatically set some people off.

No I followed, but brevity and clarity is better than what you wrote.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line to all of these discussions seems to be: If I bought in WSHS pyramid, I'm against boundary changes and if I bought in Lewis pyramid, I'm for and can think of all the justifications for/against in either scenario. Honestly though, the boundaries haven't changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change.

Maybe in some parts of the county, but in West Springfield, they changed in 2004 when South County HS opened. (See this collection of Letters to the Editor sent by unhappy residents at that time: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2004/12/09/drawing-south-county-lines/b39f8591-b68b-4db3-855a-1aefacdc14ec/).

They changed again more recently when the Daventry neighborhood was switched to WSHS from Lewis HS.

I don't know why Daventry Mom keeps turning this thread to focus on WSHS when there are a lot of areas of the county that make more sense for this boundary study to focus on. But here we are.

I went back and researched old Washington post articles from when South County was opened. The school board has been hurting Lewis high school for close to 20 years. South Hunt Valley was redistributed to West Springfield from Lee as part of the South County boundary adjustment when the school was opened. Then Daventry was moved to West Springfield. Why did that happen?

Hunt Valley was redistriced to WSHS 20 years ago because kids south of the parkway went from Hunt Valley to Irving to Lee(Lewis) while their friends went on to WSHS. The neighborhoods asked the SB to send their kids to WSHS instead so they wouldn’t lose all their friends.

+1 they fixed a split feeder, which is one of the stated goals of the current boundary changes as well.

There wouldn’t be a split feeder if all of Hunt Valley or another WS feeder were reassigned to Key and Lewis.

That would have disrupted 75 to 80% of the HV families, and given all of them a much longer commute, from a walkable/bikeable high school 2 miles away, for the majority of the families, to a distant high school not connected to their community, the 4th farthest high school from their neighborhood after WSHS, LB and SoCo, and given them a 30 minute minimum bus ride past a major traffic interchange, which at the time was the worst traffic interchange on the east coast and was in the early stages of a years long major construction project, which would have turned their 30 minute bus ride to a 45 minute or longer bus ride.

False. Nobody zoned for Hunt Valley is a walker to WSHS. FCPS would never allow that. They all bus.

You didn't read the post correctly. I said the Hunt Valley neighborhood is walkable and bikeable to WSHS. No one said they were in the walk zone.

WSHS is only between 2-3 miles from the inside the Parkway neighborhood that Hunt Valley sits in.

Kids sonetimes walk and bike to and from WSHS from HV before they have get their drivers license. They cut through Hidden pond, or take Huntsman of they are biking. It is an easy walk.

The Hunt Valley neighborhood bus ride to and from WSHS is less than 15 minutes.

Driving by car is less than 10 minutes from that neighborhood during high traffic times, even less when traffic is light.

Really, nearly all of the WSHS zoned neighborhoods are very close to the high school. Most of them are within 2-3 miles to the school, definitely walkable, especially when kids use the county trails.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line to all of these discussions seems to be: If I bought in WSHS pyramid, I'm against boundary changes and if I bought in Lewis pyramid, I'm for and can think of all the justifications for/against in either scenario. Honestly though, the boundaries haven't changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change.

The bolded is a lie being told by the school board.

The entire area from West Springfield, Lake Braddock, Lewis (then Lee) and Hayfield was completely rezoned when South County opened in 2005.

Using "they haven't been rezoned since the early 80s" as one of the justifications for rezoning those 22150, 22151, 22152 and 22153 neighborhoods is very disingenuous, if not an outright lie

OK, fair point, PP should have said "the boundaries haven't been comprehensively changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change. Have there been piecemeal changes along the way in some pyramids? Sure. But that's not the same as taking a system-wide look at things.

Rezoning a half dozen high schools is not even remotely piecemeal.

In fact, that sounds very comprehensive as it affected thousands of families.

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Distance from HVES to SCHS: 3.08 miles
Distance from HVES to WSHS: 1.67 miles

Yes.

Hunt Valley is just outside of the WSHS walk zone. It is that close.

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Maybe in some parts of the county, but in West Springfield, they changed in 2004 when South County HS opened. (See this collection of Letters to the Editor sent by unhappy residents at that time: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2004/12/09/drawing-south-county-lines/b39f8591-b68b-4db3-855a-1aefacdc14ec/).

They changed again more recently when the Daventry neighborhood was switched to WSHS from Lewis HS.

I don't know why Daventry Mom keeps turning this thread to focus on WSHS when there are a lot of areas of the county that make more sense for this boundary study to focus on. But here we are.

I went back and researched old Washington post articles from when South County was opened. The school board has been hurting Lewis high school for close to 20 years. South Hunt Valley was redistributed to West Springfield from Lee as part of the South County boundary adjustment when the school was opened. Then Daventry was moved to West Springfield. Why did that happen?

Hunt Valley was redistriced to WSHS 20 years ago because kids south of the parkway went from Hunt Valley to Irving to Lee(Lewis) while their friends went on to WSHS. The neighborhoods asked the SB to send their kids to WSHS instead so they wouldn’t lose all their friends.

+1 they fixed a split feeder, which is one of the stated goals of the current boundary changes as well.

There wouldn’t be a split feeder if all of Hunt Valley or another WS feeder were reassigned to Key and Lewis.

Exactly. Hunt Valley going to Lewis.

Take a moment to do this geography experiment (especially Thru consultants and SB staffers): go on google maps and draw a line from HVES to Lewis. The line distance is 4.15 miles, but let's go ahead and round down to 4.

Trace that line starting at HVES (Community #1) and move east/northeast crossing over Pohick Creek. At .75 miles off to your left is lovely Rolling Valley ES as you cross through the Rolling Valley neighborhood (Community #2) Continue across Rolling Rd to the 1.40 mile mark where the line intersects the southern edge of the WSES building and the Greeley neighborhood (Community #3). Continue another .6 miles and you are at the 2 mile halfway mark, where it intersects with the entry to Daventry at Hunter Village Drive (Community #4).

You can argue about how the line is drawn and start and end points, but no matter the case your line is crossing through two elementary schools and 3 distinct neighborhood communities on its way to Lewis. So for the Saratoga mom and Daventry folks who continue to spout "HVES to Lewis," give us all a break. What you are posting is not rational.

I agree with you that HVES should not move to Lewis, but your line is completely nonsensical because you can't drive across Pohick creek, or barely walk across it (though we swam in it during covid - I still can't believe I let my kids do that). It's a natural barrier. And though Rolling Valley, WSES, and Keene Mill are probably closer to Lewis they also all have students that are closer to West Springfield High School than anyone at Hunt Valley. All three of those schools have walkers for either Irving or WSHS.

I actually do agree with you about Hunt Valley staying at WSHS, but that's not your best argument.

This. It’s the only school that doesn’t walk. HV folks need to find another argument, but there really isn’t one.

They can tell the truth of why they don't want to be moved to Lewis!

HV doesn't need to explain anything. The SB would need to explain why moving HV to Lewis makes sense compared to other less disruptive options. Also what problem are they trying to solve? "Overcrowding" at WSHS? Or Lewis under-enrollment? If the latter, there are other options to look at on the other side of the Mixing Bowl that could help with that which doesn't require bussing kids so far. There will be new development near Edison in the next few years if redevelopment plans for Top Golf and the old gov center go thru and that school is already pretty full given the academy classes.

There are a lot of moving parts here and honestly, these transparent efforts by Daventry and Saratoga Mom to make this about HV are weird and unproductive.

What if the problem that they want to solve is a disparity in FARMS rates?

That wasn’t one of the justifications provided when the SB kicked off this process, if memory serves. Is that one of the inputs being used to create the new boundaries by this consulting firm?

Equalizing or mitigating disparities in FARMS rates among schools is not a specified priority or consideration, but “equitable access to programming” is. So if disparities in FARMS rates are determined to preclude equitable access to programming, the consultants can propose changes to address those disparities under the guise of promoting more equitable access to programming. Whether the consultants would do so would presumably depend on the steer provided by the staff and SB members interacting with the consultants.

Who even talks like this?

Are you too intellectually challenged to follow it?

The point with a lot of this boundary stuff is that they can do whatever they want to do, while avoiding buzzwords that automatically set some people off.

No I followed, but brevity and clarity is better than what you wrote.

Or maybe you’re just a putz. The first post identified the specific language in revised Policy 8130 that could be relevant if they want to focus on FARMS disparities. The second post gave the bottom line.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line to all of these discussions seems to be: If I bought in WSHS pyramid, I'm against boundary changes and if I bought in Lewis pyramid, I'm for and can think of all the justifications for/against in either scenario. Honestly though, the boundaries haven't changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change.

Maybe in some parts of the county, but in West Springfield, they changed in 2004 when South County HS opened. (See this collection of Letters to the Editor sent by unhappy residents at that time: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2004/12/09/drawing-south-county-lines/b39f8591-b68b-4db3-855a-1aefacdc14ec/).

They changed again more recently when the Daventry neighborhood was switched to WSHS from Lewis HS.

I don't know why Daventry Mom keeps turning this thread to focus on WSHS when there are a lot of areas of the county that make more sense for this boundary study to focus on. But here we are.

I went back and researched old Washington post articles from when South County was opened. The school board has been hurting Lewis high school for close to 20 years. South Hunt Valley was redistributed to West Springfield from Lee as part of the South County boundary adjustment when the school was opened. Then Daventry was moved to West Springfield. Why did that happen?

Hunt Valley was redistriced to WSHS 20 years ago because kids south of the parkway went from Hunt Valley to Irving to Lee(Lewis) while their friends went on to WSHS. The neighborhoods asked the SB to send their kids to WSHS instead so they wouldn’t lose all their friends.

+1 they fixed a split feeder, which is one of the stated goals of the current boundary changes as well.

There wouldn’t be a split feeder if all of Hunt Valley or another WS feeder were reassigned to Key and Lewis.

Exactly. Hunt Valley going to Lewis.

Take a moment to do this geography experiment (especially Thru consultants and SB staffers): go on google maps and draw a line from HVES to Lewis. The line distance is 4.15 miles, but let's go ahead and round down to 4.

Trace that line starting at HVES (Community #1) and move east/northeast crossing over Pohick Creek. At .75 miles off to your left is lovely Rolling Valley ES as you cross through the Rolling Valley neighborhood (Community #2) Continue across Rolling Rd to the 1.40 mile mark where the line intersects the southern edge of the WSES building and the Greeley neighborhood (Community #3). Continue another .6 miles and you are at the 2 mile halfway mark, where it intersects with the entry to Daventry at Hunter Village Drive (Community #4).

You can argue about how the line is drawn and start and end points, but no matter the case your line is crossing through two elementary schools and 3 distinct neighborhood communities on its way to Lewis. So for the Saratoga mom and Daventry folks who continue to spout "HVES to Lewis," give us all a break. What you are posting is not rational.

I agree with you that HVES should not move to Lewis, but your line is completely nonsensical because you can't drive across Pohick creek, or barely walk across it (though we swam in it during covid - I still can't believe I let my kids do that). It's a natural barrier. And though Rolling Valley, WSES, and Keene Mill are probably closer to Lewis they also all have students that are closer to West Springfield High School than anyone at Hunt Valley. All three of those schools have walkers for either Irving or WSHS.

I actually do agree with you about Hunt Valley staying at WSHS, but that's not your best argument.

This. It’s the only school that doesn’t walk. HV folks need to find another argument, but there really isn’t one.

They can tell the truth of why they don't want to be moved to Lewis!

HV doesn't need to explain anything. The SB would need to explain why moving HV to Lewis makes sense compared to other less disruptive options. Also what problem are they trying to solve? "Overcrowding" at WSHS? Or Lewis under-enrollment? If the latter, there are other options to look at on the other side of the Mixing Bowl that could help with that which doesn't require bussing kids so far. There will be new development near Edison in the next few years if redevelopment plans for Top Golf and the old gov center go thru and that school is already pretty full given the academy classes.

There are a lot of moving parts here and honestly, these transparent efforts by Daventry and Saratoga Mom to make this about HV are weird and unproductive.

FWIW, the majority of Lewis' catchment pulls from the West Springfield side of the mixing bowl. Four entire elementary school feeders for Lewis are on the west side of I95, and half of Forestdale is also on the west. Only Springfield Estates is entirely on the east side. The mixing bowl and highways are often brought up as natural barriers for pyramid boundaries but it is not common practice, see also Langley, Falls Church, Marshall, South County, and South Lakes (267).

If one wants to argue that elementary schools shouldn't cross I95 because development near Edison will require Lewis to take on new eastern neighborhoods, that argument could backfire and propagate a couple elementary schools like Crestwood, Garfield, or Lynbrook over to WS in some ripple effect changes.

A circle with a 1 mile radius could capture all of Lewis' feeders schools with the exception of Saratoga. Most of these feeders are located on or a few city blocks away from OKM road. I don't disagree with what you said, but I think for the SB 8130 priorities it's more about marrying up the right artery roadways with contiguous communities to create the best outcome for proximity.

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Maybe in some parts of the county, but in West Springfield, they changed in 2004 when South County HS opened. (See this collection of Letters to the Editor sent by unhappy residents at that time: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2004/12/09/drawing-south-county-lines/b39f8591-b68b-4db3-855a-1aefacdc14ec/).

They changed again more recently when the Daventry neighborhood was switched to WSHS from Lewis HS.

I don't know why Daventry Mom keeps turning this thread to focus on WSHS when there are a lot of areas of the county that make more sense for this boundary study to focus on. But here we are.

I went back and researched old Washington post articles from when South County was opened. The school board has been hurting Lewis high school for close to 20 years. South Hunt Valley was redistributed to West Springfield from Lee as part of the South County boundary adjustment when the school was opened. Then Daventry was moved to West Springfield. Why did that happen?

Hunt Valley was redistriced to WSHS 20 years ago because kids south of the parkway went from Hunt Valley to Irving to Lee(Lewis) while their friends went on to WSHS. The neighborhoods asked the SB to send their kids to WSHS instead so they wouldn’t lose all their friends.

+1 they fixed a split feeder, which is one of the stated goals of the current boundary changes as well.

There wouldn’t be a split feeder if all of Hunt Valley or another WS feeder were reassigned to Key and Lewis.

Exactly. Hunt Valley going to Lewis.

Take a moment to do this geography experiment (especially Thru consultants and SB staffers): go on google maps and draw a line from HVES to Lewis. The line distance is 4.15 miles, but let's go ahead and round down to 4.

Trace that line starting at HVES (Community #1) and move east/northeast crossing over Pohick Creek. At .75 miles off to your left is lovely Rolling Valley ES as you cross through the Rolling Valley neighborhood (Community #2) Continue across Rolling Rd to the 1.40 mile mark where the line intersects the southern edge of the WSES building and the Greeley neighborhood (Community #3). Continue another .6 miles and you are at the 2 mile halfway mark, where it intersects with the entry to Daventry at Hunter Village Drive (Community #4).

You can argue about how the line is drawn and start and end points, but no matter the case your line is crossing through two elementary schools and 3 distinct neighborhood communities on its way to Lewis. So for the Saratoga mom and Daventry folks who continue to spout "HVES to Lewis," give us all a break. What you are posting is not rational.

I agree with you that HVES should not move to Lewis, but your line is completely nonsensical because you can't drive across Pohick creek, or barely walk across it (though we swam in it during covid - I still can't believe I let my kids do that). It's a natural barrier. And though Rolling Valley, WSES, and Keene Mill are probably closer to Lewis they also all have students that are closer to West Springfield High School than anyone at Hunt Valley. All three of those schools have walkers for either Irving or WSHS.

I actually do agree with you about Hunt Valley staying at WSHS, but that's not your best argument.

This. It’s the only school that doesn’t walk. HV folks need to find another argument, but there really isn’t one.

They can tell the truth of why they don't want to be moved to Lewis!

HV doesn't need to explain anything. The SB would need to explain why moving HV to Lewis makes sense compared to other less disruptive options. Also what problem are they trying to solve? "Overcrowding" at WSHS? Or Lewis under-enrollment? If the latter, there are other options to look at on the other side of the Mixing Bowl that could help with that which doesn't require bussing kids so far. There will be new development near Edison in the next few years if redevelopment plans for Top Golf and the old gov center go thru and that school is already pretty full given the academy classes.

There are a lot of moving parts here and honestly, these transparent efforts by Daventry and Saratoga Mom to make this about HV are weird and unproductive.

What if the problem that they want to solve is a disparity in FARMS rates?

That wasn’t one of the justifications provided when the SB kicked off this process, if memory serves. Is that one of the inputs being used to create the new boundaries by this consulting firm?

Equalizing or mitigating disparities in FARMS rates among schools is not a specified priority or consideration, but “equitable access to programming” is. So if disparities in FARMS rates are determined to preclude equitable access to programming, the consultants can propose changes to address those disparities under the guise of promoting more equitable access to programming. Whether the consultants would do so would presumably depend on the steer provided by the staff and SB members interacting with the consultants.

Who even talks like this?

Are you too intellectually challenged to follow it?

The point with a lot of this boundary stuff is that they can do whatever they want to do, while avoiding buzzwords that automatically set some people off.

No I followed, but brevity and clarity is better than what you wrote.

Or maybe you’re just a putz. The first post identified the specific language in revised Policy 8130 that could be relevant if they want to focus on FARMS disparities. The second post gave the bottom line.

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