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Anonymous wrote:Lots of proposals to send middle class kids to bad schools, but a total absence of proposals to send more FARMS and ELL kids to the better high schools. Either there will be a surprise, or this will be limousine liberalism at its finest

Maybe they will send some Tysons apartments zoned for McLean and Marshall to Langley now that Elaine Tholen isn’t around any longer to police Langley’s boundaries to keep any FARMS kids out.


That’d be great. Would lower the FARMs at Marshall and McLean!

Turns out the only way to solve the rampant farms at some schools is to bus poor kids.


Those are the types of changes to are easier to implement without bussing kids long distances than moving Justice kids to Madison.


Specifically changes that leave Langley, McLean, Madison and Oakton with almost not ELL or FARMS kids
Not in the case of the new low income Development in Tyson’s - those will be new students that currently do not attend either Marshall or McLean. It would add lower income students to Langley and keep Marshall and McLean at their current load.
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Anonymous wrote:Lots of proposals to send middle class kids to bad schools, but a total absence of proposals to send more FARMS and ELL kids to the better high schools. Either there will be a surprise, or this will be limousine liberalism at its finest

Maybe they will send some Tysons apartments zoned for McLean and Marshall to Langley now that Elaine Tholen isn’t around any longer to police Langley’s boundaries to keep any FARMS kids out.


That’d be great. Would lower the FARMs at Marshall and McLean!

Turns out the only way to solve the rampant farms at some schools is to bus poor kids.


Those are the types of changes to are easier to implement without bussing kids long distances than moving Justice kids to Madison.


Specifically changes that leave Langley, McLean, Madison and Oakton with almost not ELL or FARMS kids
Not in the case of the new low income Development in Tyson’s - those will be new students that currently do not attend either Marshall or McLean. It would add lower income students to Langley and keep Marshall and McLean at their current load.


That's correct. Langley could pick up that new development in Tysons and other nearby areas zoned to Marshall and McLean. It would add some multi-family housing to Langley. The bulk of the FARMS kids zoned to Marshall and McLean live elsewhere, either at the other end of Tysons off Anderson/Magarity, behind Marshall off Route 7, and off Route 29 in Falls Church. This wouldn't affect Madison or Oakton - their FARMS kids live further west (Cedar Park apartments in Town of Vienna in the case of Madison, off Blake Lane near Fairfax in the case of Oakton). You can't get any of these schools near the county FARMS average of 30-35% without creating new attendance islands or boundaries that look more gerrymandered than the existing boundaries.
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Anonymous wrote:Lots of proposals to send middle class kids to bad schools, but a total absence of proposals to send more FARMS and ELL kids to the better high schools. Either there will be a surprise, or this will be limousine liberalism at its finest

Maybe they will send some Tysons apartments zoned for McLean and Marshall to Langley now that Elaine Tholen isn’t around any longer to police Langley’s boundaries to keep any FARMS kids out.


That’d be great. Would lower the FARMs at Marshall and McLean!

Turns out the only way to solve the rampant farms at some schools is to bus poor kids.


Those are the types of changes to are easier to implement without bussing kids long distances than moving Justice kids to Madison.


Specifically changes that leave Langley, McLean, Madison and Oakton with almost not ELL or FARMS kids
Not in the case of the new low income Development in Tyson’s - those will be new students that currently do not attend either Marshall or McLean. It would add lower income students to Langley and keep Marshall and McLean at their current load.


That's correct. Langley could pick up that new development in Tysons and other nearby areas zoned to Marshall and McLean. It would add some multi-family housing to Langley. The bulk of the FARMS kids zoned to Marshall and McLean live elsewhere, either at the other end of Tysons off Anderson/Magarity, behind Marshall off Route 7, and off Route 29 in Falls Church. This wouldn't affect Madison or Oakton - their FARMS kids live further west (Cedar Park apartments in Town of Vienna in the case of Madison, off Blake Lane near Fairfax in the case of Oakton). You can't get any of these schools near the county FARMS average of 30-35% without creating new attendance islands or boundaries that look more gerrymandered than the existing boundaries.


Which means the rest of the county will bear the brunt of one fairfax
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Anonymous wrote:Lots of proposals to send middle class kids to bad schools, but a total absence of proposals to send more FARMS and ELL kids to the better high schools. Either there will be a surprise, or this will be limousine liberalism at its finest

Maybe they will send some Tysons apartments zoned for McLean and Marshall to Langley now that Elaine Tholen isn’t around any longer to police Langley’s boundaries to keep any FARMS kids out.


That’d be great. Would lower the FARMs at Marshall and McLean!

Turns out the only way to solve the rampant farms at some schools is to bus poor kids.


Those are the types of changes to are easier to implement without bussing kids long distances than moving Justice kids to Madison.


Specifically changes that leave Langley, McLean, Madison and Oakton with almost not ELL or FARMS kids
Not in the case of the new low income Development in Tyson’s - those will be new students that currently do not attend either Marshall or McLean. It would add lower income students to Langley and keep Marshall and McLean at their current load.


That's correct. Langley could pick up that new development in Tysons and other nearby areas zoned to Marshall and McLean. It would add some multi-family housing to Langley. The bulk of the FARMS kids zoned to Marshall and McLean live elsewhere, either at the other end of Tysons off Anderson/Magarity, behind Marshall off Route 7, and off Route 29 in Falls Church. This wouldn't affect Madison or Oakton - their FARMS kids live further west (Cedar Park apartments in Town of Vienna in the case of Madison, off Blake Lane near Fairfax in the case of Oakton). You can't get any of these schools near the county FARMS average of 30-35% without creating new attendance islands or boundaries that look more gerrymandered than the existing boundaries.


Which means the rest of the county will bear the brunt of one fairfax


I mean, nothing short of radical bussing initiatives will touch houses that are located away from the boundaries with poorly performing school districts.
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Anonymous wrote:Lots of proposals to send middle class kids to bad schools, but a total absence of proposals to send more FARMS and ELL kids to the better high schools. Either there will be a surprise, or this will be limousine liberalism at its finest

Maybe they will send some Tysons apartments zoned for McLean and Marshall to Langley now that Elaine Tholen isn’t around any longer to police Langley’s boundaries to keep any FARMS kids out.


That’d be great. Would lower the FARMs at Marshall and McLean!

Turns out the only way to solve the rampant farms at some schools is to bus poor kids.


Those are the types of changes to are easier to implement without bussing kids long distances than moving Justice kids to Madison.


Specifically changes that leave Langley, McLean, Madison and Oakton with almost not ELL or FARMS kids
Not in the case of the new low income Development in Tyson’s - those will be new students that currently do not attend either Marshall or McLean. It would add lower income students to Langley and keep Marshall and McLean at their current load.


That's correct. Langley could pick up that new development in Tysons and other nearby areas zoned to Marshall and McLean. It would add some multi-family housing to Langley. The bulk of the FARMS kids zoned to Marshall and McLean live elsewhere, either at the other end of Tysons off Anderson/Magarity, behind Marshall off Route 7, and off Route 29 in Falls Church. This wouldn't affect Madison or Oakton - their FARMS kids live further west (Cedar Park apartments in Town of Vienna in the case of Madison, off Blake Lane near Fairfax in the case of Oakton). You can't get any of these schools near the county FARMS average of 30-35% without creating new attendance islands or boundaries that look more gerrymandered than the existing boundaries.


Which means the rest of the county will bear the brunt of one fairfax


That’s literally the opposite of one fairfax.

One Fairfax stand for the proposition that everything needs to be equally crappy across the county.

The only way the county gets there is to use the B word, as the old board used to say.
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Anonymous wrote:Lots of proposals to send middle class kids to bad schools, but a total absence of proposals to send more FARMS and ELL kids to the better high schools. Either there will be a surprise, or this will be limousine liberalism at its finest

Maybe they will send some Tysons apartments zoned for McLean and Marshall to Langley now that Elaine Tholen isn’t around any longer to police Langley’s boundaries to keep any FARMS kids out.


That’d be great. Would lower the FARMs at Marshall and McLean!

Turns out the only way to solve the rampant farms at some schools is to bus poor kids.


Those are the types of changes to are easier to implement without bussing kids long distances than moving Justice kids to Madison.


Specifically changes that leave Langley, McLean, Madison and Oakton with almost not ELL or FARMS kids
Not in the case of the new low income Development in Tyson’s - those will be new students that currently do not attend either Marshall or McLean. It would add lower income students to Langley and keep Marshall and McLean at their current load.



I agree, but they are still going to adjust for equity meaning that middle class schools will end up having their boundaries altered to be more fair while the rich schools are left untouched
That's correct. Langley could pick up that new development in Tysons and other nearby areas zoned to Marshall and McLean. It would add some multi-family housing to Langley. The bulk of the FARMS kids zoned to Marshall and McLean live elsewhere, either at the other end of Tysons off Anderson/Magarity, behind Marshall off Route 7, and off Route 29 in Falls Church. This wouldn't affect Madison or Oakton - their FARMS kids live further west (Cedar Park apartments in Town of Vienna in the case of Madison, off Blake Lane near Fairfax in the case of Oakton). You can't get any of these schools near the county FARMS average of 30-35% without creating new attendance islands or boundaries that look more gerrymandered than the existing boundaries.


Which means the rest of the county will bear the brunt of one fairfax


I mean, nothing short of radical bussing initiatives will touch houses that are located away from the boundaries with poorly performing school districts.
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Anonymous wrote:Lots of proposals to send middle class kids to bad schools, but a total absence of proposals to send more FARMS and ELL kids to the better high schools. Either there will be a surprise, or this will be limousine liberalism at its finest

Maybe they will send some Tysons apartments zoned for McLean and Marshall to Langley now that Elaine Tholen isn’t around any longer to police Langley’s boundaries to keep any FARMS kids out.


That’d be great. Would lower the FARMs at Marshall and McLean!

Turns out the only way to solve the rampant farms at some schools is to bus poor kids.


Those are the types of changes to are easier to implement without bussing kids long distances than moving Justice kids to Madison.


Specifically changes that leave Langley, McLean, Madison and Oakton with almost not ELL or FARMS kids
Not in the case of the new low income Development in Tyson’s - those will be new students that currently do not attend either Marshall or McLean. It would add lower income students to Langley and keep Marshall and McLean at their current load.


That's correct. Langley could pick up that new development in Tysons and other nearby areas zoned to Marshall and McLean. It would add some multi-family housing to Langley. The bulk of the FARMS kids zoned to Marshall and McLean live elsewhere, either at the other end of Tysons off Anderson/Magarity, behind Marshall off Route 7, and off Route 29 in Falls Church. This wouldn't affect Madison or Oakton - their FARMS kids live further west (Cedar Park apartments in Town of Vienna in the case of Madison, off Blake Lane near Fairfax in the case of Oakton). You can't get any of these schools near the county FARMS average of 30-35% without creating new attendance islands or boundaries that look more gerrymandered than the existing boundaries.


Which means the rest of the county will bear the brunt of one fairfax


Not even sure what that means. It's not like they are going to start busing part of Justice to Centreville, either.
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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line to all of these discussions seems to be: If I bought in WSHS pyramid, I'm against boundary changes and if I bought in Lewis pyramid, I'm for and can think of all the justifications for/against in either scenario. Honestly though, the boundaries haven't changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change.


Maybe in some parts of the county, but in West Springfield, they changed in 2004 when South County HS opened. (See this collection of Letters to the Editor sent by unhappy residents at that time: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2004/12/09/drawing-south-county-lines/b39f8591-b68b-4db3-855a-1aefacdc14ec/).

They changed again more recently when the Daventry neighborhood was switched to WSHS from Lewis HS.

I don't know why Daventry Mom keeps turning this thread to focus on WSHS when there are a lot of areas of the county that make more sense for this boundary study to focus on. But here we are.


I went back and researched old Washington post articles from when South County was opened. The school board has been hurting Lewis high school for close to 20 years. South Hunt Valley was redistributed to West Springfield from Lee as part of the South County boundary adjustment when the school was opened. Then Daventry was moved to West Springfield. Why did that happen?


Hunt Valley was redistriced to WSHS 20 years ago because kids south of the parkway went from Hunt Valley to Irving to Lee(Lewis) while their friends went on to WSHS. The neighborhoods asked the SB to send their kids to WSHS instead so they wouldn’t lose all their friends.


+1 they fixed a split feeder, which is one of the stated goals of the current boundary changes as well.


There wouldn’t be a split feeder if all of Hunt Valley or another WS feeder were reassigned to Key and Lewis.


Exactly. Hunt Valley going to Lewis.


Take a moment to do this geography experiment (especially Thru consultants and SB staffers): go on google maps and draw a line from HVES to Lewis. The line distance is 4.15 miles, but let's go ahead and round down to 4.

Trace that line starting at HVES (Community #1) and move east/northeast crossing over Pohick Creek. At .75 miles off to your left is lovely Rolling Valley ES as you cross through the Rolling Valley neighborhood (Community #2) Continue across Rolling Rd to the 1.40 mile mark where the line intersects the southern edge of the WSES building and the Greeley neighborhood (Community #3). Continue another .6 miles and you are at the 2 mile halfway mark, where it intersects with the entry to Daventry at Hunter Village Drive (Community #4).

You can argue about how the line is drawn and start and end points, but no matter the case your line is crossing through two elementary schools and 3 distinct neighborhood communities on its way to Lewis. So for the Saratoga mom and Daventry folks who continue to spout "HVES to Lewis," give us all a break. What you are posting is not rational.
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Distance from HVES to SCHS: 3.08 miles
Distance from HVES to WSHS: 1.67 miles
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Anonymous wrote:Lots of proposals to send middle class kids to bad schools, but a total absence of proposals to send more FARMS and ELL kids to the better high schools. Either there will be a surprise, or this will be limousine liberalism at its finest

Maybe they will send some Tysons apartments zoned for McLean and Marshall to Langley now that Elaine Tholen isn’t around any longer to police Langley’s boundaries to keep any FARMS kids out.


That’d be great. Would lower the FARMs at Marshall and McLean!

Turns out the only way to solve the rampant farms at some schools is to bus poor kids.


Those are the types of changes to are easier to implement without bussing kids long distances than moving Justice kids to Madison.


Specifically changes that leave Langley, McLean, Madison and Oakton with almost not ELL or FARMS kids
Not in the case of the new low income Development in Tyson’s - those will be new students that currently do not attend either Marshall or McLean. It would add lower income students to Langley and keep Marshall and McLean at their current load.


That's correct. Langley could pick up that new development in Tysons and other nearby areas zoned to Marshall and McLean. It would add some multi-family housing to Langley. The bulk of the FARMS kids zoned to Marshall and McLean live elsewhere, either at the other end of Tysons off Anderson/Magarity, behind Marshall off Route 7, and off Route 29 in Falls Church. This wouldn't affect Madison or Oakton - their FARMS kids live further west (Cedar Park apartments in Town of Vienna in the case of Madison, off Blake Lane near Fairfax in the case of Oakton). You can't get any of these schools near the county FARMS average of 30-35% without creating new attendance islands or boundaries that look more gerrymandered than the existing boundaries.


Which means the rest of the county will bear the brunt of one fairfax


Not even sure what that means. It's not like they are going to start busing part of Justice to Centreville, either.


Of course not. But moving kids from WSHS to Lewis? That's an easy equity fix
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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line to all of these discussions seems to be: If I bought in WSHS pyramid, I'm against boundary changes and if I bought in Lewis pyramid, I'm for and can think of all the justifications for/against in either scenario. Honestly though, the boundaries haven't changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change.


Maybe in some parts of the county, but in West Springfield, they changed in 2004 when South County HS opened. (See this collection of Letters to the Editor sent by unhappy residents at that time: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2004/12/09/drawing-south-county-lines/b39f8591-b68b-4db3-855a-1aefacdc14ec/).

They changed again more recently when the Daventry neighborhood was switched to WSHS from Lewis HS.

I don't know why Daventry Mom keeps turning this thread to focus on WSHS when there are a lot of areas of the county that make more sense for this boundary study to focus on. But here we are.


I went back and researched old Washington post articles from when South County was opened. The school board has been hurting Lewis high school for close to 20 years. South Hunt Valley was redistributed to West Springfield from Lee as part of the South County boundary adjustment when the school was opened. Then Daventry was moved to West Springfield. Why did that happen?


Hunt Valley was redistriced to WSHS 20 years ago because kids south of the parkway went from Hunt Valley to Irving to Lee(Lewis) while their friends went on to WSHS. The neighborhoods asked the SB to send their kids to WSHS instead so they wouldn’t lose all their friends.


+1 they fixed a split feeder, which is one of the stated goals of the current boundary changes as well.


There wouldn’t be a split feeder if all of Hunt Valley or another WS feeder were reassigned to Key and Lewis.


Exactly. Hunt Valley going to Lewis.


Take a moment to do this geography experiment (especially Thru consultants and SB staffers): go on google maps and draw a line from HVES to Lewis. The line distance is 4.15 miles, but let's go ahead and round down to 4.

Trace that line starting at HVES (Community #1) and move east/northeast crossing over Pohick Creek. At .75 miles off to your left is lovely Rolling Valley ES as you cross through the Rolling Valley neighborhood (Community #2) Continue across Rolling Rd to the 1.40 mile mark where the line intersects the southern edge of the WSES building and the Greeley neighborhood (Community #3). Continue another .6 miles and you are at the 2 mile halfway mark, where it intersects with the entry to Daventry at Hunter Village Drive (Community #4).

You can argue about how the line is drawn and start and end points, but no matter the case your line is crossing through two elementary schools and 3 distinct neighborhood communities on its way to Lewis. So for the Saratoga mom and Daventry folks who continue to spout "HVES to Lewis," give us all a break. What you are posting is not rational.


I agree with you that HVES should not move to Lewis, but your line is completely nonsensical because you can't drive across Pohick creek, or barely walk across it (though we swam in it during covid - I still can't believe I let my kids do that). It's a natural barrier. And though Rolling Valley, WSES, and Keene Mill are probably closer to Lewis they also all have students that are closer to West Springfield High School than anyone at Hunt Valley. All three of those schools have walkers for either Irving or WSHS.

I actually do agree with you about Hunt Valley staying at WSHS, but that's not your best argument.
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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line to all of these discussions seems to be: If I bought in WSHS pyramid, I'm against boundary changes and if I bought in Lewis pyramid, I'm for and can think of all the justifications for/against in either scenario. Honestly though, the boundaries haven't changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change.


Maybe in some parts of the county, but in West Springfield, they changed in 2004 when South County HS opened. (See this collection of Letters to the Editor sent by unhappy residents at that time: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2004/12/09/drawing-south-county-lines/b39f8591-b68b-4db3-855a-1aefacdc14ec/).

They changed again more recently when the Daventry neighborhood was switched to WSHS from Lewis HS.

I don't know why Daventry Mom keeps turning this thread to focus on WSHS when there are a lot of areas of the county that make more sense for this boundary study to focus on. But here we are.


I went back and researched old Washington post articles from when South County was opened. The school board has been hurting Lewis high school for close to 20 years. South Hunt Valley was redistributed to West Springfield from Lee as part of the South County boundary adjustment when the school was opened. Then Daventry was moved to West Springfield. Why did that happen?


Hunt Valley was redistriced to WSHS 20 years ago because kids south of the parkway went from Hunt Valley to Irving to Lee(Lewis) while their friends went on to WSHS. The neighborhoods asked the SB to send their kids to WSHS instead so they wouldn’t lose all their friends.


+1 they fixed a split feeder, which is one of the stated goals of the current boundary changes as well.


There wouldn’t be a split feeder if all of Hunt Valley or another WS feeder were reassigned to Key and Lewis.


Exactly. Hunt Valley going to Lewis.


Take a moment to do this geography experiment (especially Thru consultants and SB staffers): go on google maps and draw a line from HVES to Lewis. The line distance is 4.15 miles, but let's go ahead and round down to 4.

Trace that line starting at HVES (Community #1) and move east/northeast crossing over Pohick Creek. At .75 miles off to your left is lovely Rolling Valley ES as you cross through the Rolling Valley neighborhood (Community #2) Continue across Rolling Rd to the 1.40 mile mark where the line intersects the southern edge of the WSES building and the Greeley neighborhood (Community #3). Continue another .6 miles and you are at the 2 mile halfway mark, where it intersects with the entry to Daventry at Hunter Village Drive (Community #4).

You can argue about how the line is drawn and start and end points, but no matter the case your line is crossing through two elementary schools and 3 distinct neighborhood communities on its way to Lewis. So for the Saratoga mom and Daventry folks who continue to spout "HVES to Lewis," give us all a break. What you are posting is not rational.


I agree with you that HVES should not move to Lewis, but your line is completely nonsensical because you can't drive across Pohick creek, or barely walk across it (though we swam in it during covid - I still can't believe I let my kids do that). It's a natural barrier. And though Rolling Valley, WSES, and Keene Mill are probably closer to Lewis they also all have students that are closer to West Springfield High School than anyone at Hunt Valley. All three of those schools have walkers for either Irving or WSHS.

I actually do agree with you about Hunt Valley staying at WSHS, but that's not your best argument.


This. It’s the only school that doesn’t walk. HV folks need to find another argument, but there really isn’t one.
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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line to all of these discussions seems to be: If I bought in WSHS pyramid, I'm against boundary changes and if I bought in Lewis pyramid, I'm for and can think of all the justifications for/against in either scenario. Honestly though, the boundaries haven't changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change.


Maybe in some parts of the county, but in West Springfield, they changed in 2004 when South County HS opened. (See this collection of Letters to the Editor sent by unhappy residents at that time: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2004/12/09/drawing-south-county-lines/b39f8591-b68b-4db3-855a-1aefacdc14ec/).

They changed again more recently when the Daventry neighborhood was switched to WSHS from Lewis HS.

I don't know why Daventry Mom keeps turning this thread to focus on WSHS when there are a lot of areas of the county that make more sense for this boundary study to focus on. But here we are.


I went back and researched old Washington post articles from when South County was opened. The school board has been hurting Lewis high school for close to 20 years. South Hunt Valley was redistributed to West Springfield from Lee as part of the South County boundary adjustment when the school was opened. Then Daventry was moved to West Springfield. Why did that happen?


Hunt Valley was redistriced to WSHS 20 years ago because kids south of the parkway went from Hunt Valley to Irving to Lee(Lewis) while their friends went on to WSHS. The neighborhoods asked the SB to send their kids to WSHS instead so they wouldn’t lose all their friends.


+1 they fixed a split feeder, which is one of the stated goals of the current boundary changes as well.


There wouldn’t be a split feeder if all of Hunt Valley or another WS feeder were reassigned to Key and Lewis.


Exactly. Hunt Valley going to Lewis.


Take a moment to do this geography experiment (especially Thru consultants and SB staffers): go on google maps and draw a line from HVES to Lewis. The line distance is 4.15 miles, but let's go ahead and round down to 4.

Trace that line starting at HVES (Community #1) and move east/northeast crossing over Pohick Creek. At .75 miles off to your left is lovely Rolling Valley ES as you cross through the Rolling Valley neighborhood (Community #2) Continue across Rolling Rd to the 1.40 mile mark where the line intersects the southern edge of the WSES building and the Greeley neighborhood (Community #3). Continue another .6 miles and you are at the 2 mile halfway mark, where it intersects with the entry to Daventry at Hunter Village Drive (Community #4).

You can argue about how the line is drawn and start and end points, but no matter the case your line is crossing through two elementary schools and 3 distinct neighborhood communities on its way to Lewis. So for the Saratoga mom and Daventry folks who continue to spout "HVES to Lewis," give us all a break. What you are posting is not rational.


I agree with you that HVES should not move to Lewis, but your line is completely nonsensical because you can't drive across Pohick creek, or barely walk across it (though we swam in it during covid - I still can't believe I let my kids do that). It's a natural barrier. And though Rolling Valley, WSES, and Keene Mill are probably closer to Lewis they also all have students that are closer to West Springfield High School than anyone at Hunt Valley. All three of those schools have walkers for either Irving or WSHS.

I actually do agree with you about Hunt Valley staying at WSHS, but that's not your best argument.


This. It’s the only school that doesn’t walk. HV folks need to find another argument, but there really isn’t one.


They can tell the truth of why they don't want to be moved to Lewis!
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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line to all of these discussions seems to be: If I bought in WSHS pyramid, I'm against boundary changes and if I bought in Lewis pyramid, I'm for and can think of all the justifications for/against in either scenario. Honestly though, the boundaries haven't changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change.


Maybe in some parts of the county, but in West Springfield, they changed in 2004 when South County HS opened. (See this collection of Letters to the Editor sent by unhappy residents at that time: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2004/12/09/drawing-south-county-lines/b39f8591-b68b-4db3-855a-1aefacdc14ec/).

They changed again more recently when the Daventry neighborhood was switched to WSHS from Lewis HS.

I don't know why Daventry Mom keeps turning this thread to focus on WSHS when there are a lot of areas of the county that make more sense for this boundary study to focus on. But here we are.


I went back and researched old Washington post articles from when South County was opened. The school board has been hurting Lewis high school for close to 20 years. South Hunt Valley was redistributed to West Springfield from Lee as part of the South County boundary adjustment when the school was opened. Then Daventry was moved to West Springfield. Why did that happen?


Hunt Valley was redistriced to WSHS 20 years ago because kids south of the parkway went from Hunt Valley to Irving to Lee(Lewis) while their friends went on to WSHS. The neighborhoods asked the SB to send their kids to WSHS instead so they wouldn’t lose all their friends.


+1 they fixed a split feeder, which is one of the stated goals of the current boundary changes as well.


There wouldn’t be a split feeder if all of Hunt Valley or another WS feeder were reassigned to Key and Lewis.


Exactly. Hunt Valley going to Lewis.


Take a moment to do this geography experiment (especially Thru consultants and SB staffers): go on google maps and draw a line from HVES to Lewis. The line distance is 4.15 miles, but let's go ahead and round down to 4.

Trace that line starting at HVES (Community #1) and move east/northeast crossing over Pohick Creek. At .75 miles off to your left is lovely Rolling Valley ES as you cross through the Rolling Valley neighborhood (Community #2) Continue across Rolling Rd to the 1.40 mile mark where the line intersects the southern edge of the WSES building and the Greeley neighborhood (Community #3). Continue another .6 miles and you are at the 2 mile halfway mark, where it intersects with the entry to Daventry at Hunter Village Drive (Community #4).

You can argue about how the line is drawn and start and end points, but no matter the case your line is crossing through two elementary schools and 3 distinct neighborhood communities on its way to Lewis. So for the Saratoga mom and Daventry folks who continue to spout "HVES to Lewis," give us all a break. What you are posting is not rational.


I agree with you that HVES should not move to Lewis, but your line is completely nonsensical because you can't drive across Pohick creek, or barely walk across it (though we swam in it during covid - I still can't believe I let my kids do that). It's a natural barrier. And though Rolling Valley, WSES, and Keene Mill are probably closer to Lewis they also all have students that are closer to West Springfield High School than anyone at Hunt Valley. All three of those schools have walkers for either Irving or WSHS.

I actually do agree with you about Hunt Valley staying at WSHS, but that's not your best argument.


This. It’s the only school that doesn’t walk. HV folks need to find another argument, but there really isn’t one.


They can tell the truth of why they don't want to be moved to Lewis!


HV doesn't need to explain anything. The SB would need to explain why moving HV to Lewis makes sense compared to other less disruptive options. Also what problem are they trying to solve? "Overcrowding" at WSHS? Or Lewis under-enrollment? If the latter, there are other options to look at on the other side of the Mixing Bowl that could help with that which doesn't require bussing kids so far. There will be new development near Edison in the next few years if redevelopment plans for Top Golf and the old gov center go thru and that school is already pretty full given the academy classes.

There are a lot of moving parts here and honestly, these transparent efforts by Daventry and Saratoga Mom to make this about HV are weird and unproductive.
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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line to all of these discussions seems to be: If I bought in WSHS pyramid, I'm against boundary changes and if I bought in Lewis pyramid, I'm for and can think of all the justifications for/against in either scenario. Honestly though, the boundaries haven't changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change.


The bolded is a lie being told by the school board.

The entire area from West Springfield, Lake Braddock, Lewis (then Lee) and Hayfield was completely rezoned when South County opened in 2005.

Using "they haven't been rezoned since the early 80s" as one of the justifications for rezoning those 22150, 22151, 22152 and 22153 neighborhoods is very disingenuous, if not an outright lie




OK, fair point, PP should have said "the boundaries haven't been comprehensively changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change. Have there been piecemeal changes along the way in some pyramids? Sure. But that's not the same as taking a system-wide look at things.


Piecemeal changes address actual problems. Comprehensive changes address equity.

Unnecessary disruption.


Lucky you then. They are doing a piecemeal boundary change to achieve equity under the guise of a comprehensive boundary review. There is no way they are touching anyone else's boundaries except for Lewis/WSHS and Langley/Herndon. They just can't outright say that because they would get massive blowback.


Are you calling Dunne a liar? He said last recorded school board meeting that every pyramid would be impacted.

Womp womp.


Does anyone really think the demographics at the rich schools will change?


Fair. Langley parents likely won't let that happen. WSHS parents aren't rich enough to stop it from happening


Even if they move part of Tysons to Langley its FARMS rate likely would stay under 10%. The issue is more whether they move one of the Langley feeders to Herndon, which is closer to 55% FARMS. That would take some real cojones on the part of the SB, of a type not displayed for many years.
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