Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)

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Anonymous wrote:wow this is crazy, you can be the 4th lowest decile aa and still be way above asians. crazy no wonder asians feel discriminated

Standardized tests are culturally biased and we're originally implemented by a racist.

If the index was normalized for tests, this alleged disparity ( SFFA is the source of this massaged data) would be much lower.

Anyways, the SAT / ACT impact will continue to diminish over time.

What are Asians and Whites in common but so much different for Blacks? culturally

What biase are we talking about?

What?

DP.. apparently, SATs are culturally bias, hence Black people score lower on SATs. But since Asian Americans score higher on SATs that must mean that they have more in common with white people.

That's the argument. And yes, it's laughable and ignorant.

Then what is your reason for AA people scoring lower?

Go ahead, say it out loud. I dare you. You know you think it. Have some courage and show everyone what you really think.

And that, right there, ladies and gents, is why colleges have the current policy.

not PP, but my guess is that they care less about education and put less effort.
Culturally they may value more in succeeding in the areas such as sports or entertainment industry like being a rapper or singer which are all ok. Nothing is wrong with that.

However if you want to improve on the education area, you have to go to the source of the problema and support and aid them to care more and put more effort in education instead of forcing it to increase the numbers artificially.

You actually did say it out loud! I am shocked! There it is, folks... your open racism of the day. Hope it is the last one you hear today, but unfortunately we are likely to get more.

PP you disgust me. You are repulsive. And also an imbecile. "Educate them more, but don't let them into the best colleges!" Lol.

Why are you mad??

The reason is simple on the surface, you care less and put less effort = lower score.
You care more and put more effort = higher score.

It's most likely a cultural thing. Asians probably care more about education and put more effort.

Seriously, what else could be the reason?

+1 work harder = better outcome. That applies to anyone, regardless of race, social economic background, or whether in academics or sports.

I tell my unathletic kid that if they want to be better at x sport, then they need to go outside and practice more, just as I tell them that if they want that A in math, then they need to study more.

Actually the high scorers who were a tiny bit lower than the top scorers did work harder at something, many things… community engagement, arts, sports to name a few. Because of their hard work they were chosen over your kid who studied hard but was not willing to put the hard work in where it counts.

Your kid really just needs to step it up and do more and be better.

Do you know a lot of Asians. At my highly competitive area, the Asian kids are on varsity and ranked athletes, hold leadership positions in competitive clubs, going to national competitions, participating in and winning awards across a range of the arts, have a gazillion volunteer hours… on top of doing well academically. Your notion of the Asian student who only studies is a very outdated (and racist) one.

exactly.. yet, I'm sure the ^PP thinks they are so enlightened and not racist.

Lol @ varsity

You don’t understand national honors.

Yes, LOL. Did you read it said varsity and ranked athletes - that includes nationally ranked hon.

You know a student with good enough grades and was in the top 10% nationally for their sport not accepted to an Ivy? Really. A coach recruited them, but admissions saw they were Asian and said no thanks.

No, if you back, the above pp was responding to the claim that Asians don’t work hard enough in areas that matter- basically that they just study. Then you laughed at the reference to varsity athletes and I was pointing out there are nationally ranked asian athletes. There was never any statement made that these students were not recruited and accepted.

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Anonymous wrote:wow this is crazy, you can be the 4th lowest decile aa and still be way above asians. crazy no wonder asians feel discriminated

Standardized tests are culturally biased and we're originally implemented by a racist.

If the index was normalized for tests, this alleged disparity ( SFFA is the source of this massaged data) would be much lower.

Anyways, the SAT / ACT impact will continue to diminish over time.

What are Asians and Whites in common but so much different for Blacks? culturally

What biase are we talking about?

What?

DP.. apparently, SATs are culturally bias, hence Black people score lower on SATs. But since Asian Americans score higher on SATs that must mean that they have more in common with white people.

That's the argument. And yes, it's laughable and ignorant.

Then what is your reason for AA people scoring lower?

Go ahead, say it out loud. I dare you. You know you think it. Have some courage and show everyone what you really think.

And that, right there, ladies and gents, is why colleges have the current policy.

not PP, but my guess is that they care less about education and put less effort.
Culturally they may value more in succeeding in the areas such as sports or entertainment industry like being a rapper or singer which are all ok. Nothing is wrong with that.

However if you want to improve on the education area, you have to go to the source of the problema and support and aid them to care more and put more effort in education instead of forcing it to increase the numbers artificially.

You actually did say it out loud! I am shocked! There it is, folks... your open racism of the day. Hope it is the last one you hear today, but unfortunately we are likely to get more.

PP you disgust me. You are repulsive. And also an imbecile. "Educate them more, but don't let them into the best colleges!" Lol.

Why are you mad??

The reason is simple on the surface, you care less and put less effort = lower score.
You care more and put more effort = higher score.

It's most likely a cultural thing. Asians probably care more about education and put more effort.

Seriously, what else could be the reason?

+1 work harder = better outcome. That applies to anyone, regardless of race, social economic background, or whether in academics or sports.

I tell my unathletic kid that if they want to be better at x sport, then they need to go outside and practice more, just as I tell them that if they want that A in math, then they need to study more.

Actually the high scorers who were a tiny bit lower than the top scorers did work harder at something, many things… community engagement, arts, sports to name a few. Because of their hard work they were chosen over your kid who studied hard but was not willing to put the hard work in where it counts.

Your kid really just needs to step it up and do more and be better.

Do you know a lot of Asians. At my highly competitive area, the Asian kids are on varsity and ranked athletes, hold leadership positions in competitive clubs, going to national competitions, participating in and winning awards across a range of the arts, have a gazillion volunteer hours… on top of doing well academically. Your notion of the Asian student who only studies is a very outdated (and racist) one.

exactly.. yet, I'm sure the ^PP thinks they are so enlightened and not racist.

Lol @ varsity

You don’t understand national honors.

Yes, LOL. Did you read it said varsity and ranked athletes - that includes nationally ranked hon.

You know a student with good enough grades and was in the top 10% nationally for their sport not accepted to an Ivy? Really. A coach recruited them, but admissions saw they were Asian and said no thanks.

No, if you back, the above pp was responding to the claim that Asians don’t work hard enough in areas that matter- basically that they just study. Then you laughed at the reference to varsity athletes and I was pointing out there are nationally ranked asian athletes. There was never any statement made that these students were not recruited and accepted.

LOL again. You have a nationally ranked athlete that was NOT recruited for their sport. What even is that?

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DP.. and the committee's opinion of "personality" is very subjective. How do we know they aren't being subconsciously racist? They see an Asian name and automatically think, "Robot, no personality", then read the essay, even if it's no worse than a white or brown kid's, and score them lower on "personality".

Is race included in the application, or is it stripped out? I suspect the admissions people know the quotas they want and rate Asians down consciously.

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Anonymous wrote:wow this is crazy, you can be the 4th lowest decile aa and still be way above asians. crazy no wonder asians feel discriminated

Standardized tests are culturally biased and we're originally implemented by a racist.

If the index was normalized for tests, this alleged disparity ( SFFA is the source of this massaged data) would be much lower.

Anyways, the SAT / ACT impact will continue to diminish over time.

What are Asians and Whites in common but so much different for Blacks? culturally

What biase are we talking about?

What?

DP.. apparently, SATs are culturally bias, hence Black people score lower on SATs. But since Asian Americans score higher on SATs that must mean that they have more in common with white people.

That's the argument. And yes, it's laughable and ignorant.

Then what is your reason for AA people scoring lower?

Go ahead, say it out loud. I dare you. You know you think it. Have some courage and show everyone what you really think.

And that, right there, ladies and gents, is why colleges have the current policy.

not PP, but my guess is that they care less about education and put less effort.
Culturally they may value more in succeeding in the areas such as sports or entertainment industry like being a rapper or singer which are all ok. Nothing is wrong with that.

However if you want to improve on the education area, you have to go to the source of the problema and support and aid them to care more and put more effort in education instead of forcing it to increase the numbers artificially.

You actually did say it out loud! I am shocked! There it is, folks... your open racism of the day. Hope it is the last one you hear today, but unfortunately we are likely to get more.

PP you disgust me. You are repulsive. And also an imbecile. "Educate them more, but don't let them into the best colleges!" Lol.

Why are you mad??

The reason is simple on the surface, you care less and put less effort = lower score.
You care more and put more effort = higher score.

It's most likely a cultural thing. Asians probably care more about education and put more effort.

Seriously, what else could be the reason?

+1 work harder = better outcome. That applies to anyone, regardless of race, social economic background, or whether in academics or sports.

I tell my unathletic kid that if they want to be better at x sport, then they need to go outside and practice more, just as I tell them that if they want that A in math, then they need to study more.

Actually the high scorers who were a tiny bit lower than the top scorers did work harder at something, many things… community engagement, arts, sports to name a few. Because of their hard work they were chosen over your kid who studied hard but was not willing to put the hard work in where it counts.

Your kid really just needs to step it up and do more and be better.

Do you know a lot of Asians. At my highly competitive area, the Asian kids are on varsity and ranked athletes, hold leadership positions in competitive clubs, going to national competitions, participating in and winning awards across a range of the arts, have a gazillion volunteer hours… on top of doing well academically. Your notion of the Asian student who only studies is a very outdated (and racist) one.

exactly.. yet, I'm sure the ^PP thinks they are so enlightened and not racist.

Lol @ varsity

You don’t understand national honors.

Yes, LOL. Did you read it said varsity and ranked athletes - that includes nationally ranked hon.

You know a student with good enough grades and was in the top 10% nationally for their sport not accepted to an Ivy? Really. A coach recruited them, but admissions saw they were Asian and said no thanks.

No, if you back, the above pp was responding to the claim that Asians don’t work hard enough in areas that matter- basically that they just study. Then you laughed at the reference to varsity athletes and I was pointing out there are nationally ranked asian athletes. There was never any statement made that these students were not recruited and accepted.

LOL again. You have a nationally ranked athlete that was NOT recruited for their sport. What even is that?

I give up. Can’t continue with someone with low reading comprehension

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Anonymous wrote:wow this is crazy, you can be the 4th lowest decile aa and still be way above asians. crazy no wonder asians feel discriminated

It's interest that the top academic African Applicant's have a better than 50% chance of admission, but that it's still long odds for white and asians and somehow that isn't evidence of racial discrimination

I'm wondering why Harvard is rejecting the other 44%?

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? how is a math test racist? Can you give me an example of a racist math question on the SAT?

A restaurant bill is $120. What is the total after 5% sales tax and 18% tip?

Blacks don't have money to go to restaurants, and would not be aware of tipping, and whether the tip applies after the sales tax or before.

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Anonymous wrote:wow this is crazy, you can be the 4th lowest decile aa and still be way above asians. crazy no wonder asians feel discriminated

None of this adds up to 100% If you include white, asian, blacks, hispanics = > 100

And accounting for only white black asian = 84.1%

It's not supposed to add up to 100%. It is the chance of admission of each group, not the percent of the admitted that are that race.

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We agree and that happens. People call it locality diversity when school pluck someone from a fly over state with top scores but “300 points lower” than the top students.

It’s happening for all groups.

They are not picking white or Asian kids 300 points lower from a flyover state.

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Anonymous wrote:DP.. is there some data that supports what you are saying?

I'm not disagreeing with you but what would be the cutoff? Data would need to be analyzed to support that argument and define what that threshold is.

Yes there is. There are studies, and have been for decades, that SAT does not correlate with performance in college. This has been used by many to say 'SAT doesn't matter.'
However, the study was showing small differences don't matter, but 1200 vs 1400 or 800 vs 1200 matters quite a bit. I don't know what the cutoffs would be, particularly with the changes. The study I saw was before they recentered, and I think made 1600 available for less than a perfect score, and they changed it from an aptitude test to an achievement test.

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We agree and that happens. People call it locality diversity when school pluck someone from a fly over state with top scores but “300 points lower” than the top students.

It’s happening for all groups.

They are not picking white or Asian kids 300 points lower from a flyover state.

They certainly are for some kids from Wyoming/Montana/etc.

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? how is a math test racist? Can you give me an example of a racist math question on the SAT?

A restaurant bill is $120. What is the total after 5% sales tax and 18% tip?

Blacks don't have money to go to restaurants, and would not be aware of tipping, and whether the tip applies after the sales tax or before.

Are you being serious? Because I go to restaurants pretty frequently and I routinely see black people dining in them.

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We agree and that happens. People call it locality diversity when school pluck someone from a fly over state with top scores but “300 points lower” than the top students.

It’s happening for all groups.

They are not picking white or Asian kids 300 points lower from a flyover state.

They certainly are for some kids from Wyoming/Montana/etc.

Wyoming has one of the best school systems in the country

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? how is a math test racist? Can you give me an example of a racist math question on the SAT?

A restaurant bill is $120. What is the total after 5% sales tax and 18% tip?

Blacks don't have money to go to restaurants, and would not be aware of tipping, and whether the tip applies after the sales tax or before.

Are you being serious? Because I go to restaurants pretty frequently and I routinely see black people dining in them.

You really shouldn't engage with race-baiting trolls. It only encourages them.

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? how is a math test racist? Can you give me an example of a racist math question on the SAT?

A restaurant bill is $120. What is the total after 5% sales tax and 18% tip?

Blacks don't have money to go to restaurants, and would not be aware of tipping, and whether the tip applies after the sales tax or before.

Are you being serious? Because I go to restaurants pretty frequently and I routinely see black people dining in them.

dp.. that was sarcasm, PP.

People who are saying that the SAT is racist are being ridiculous, and using the ^^ as an example of how ridiculous that assertion is.

How can a math problem be racist? And if someone brings up the stupid "regata" example, I'll just remind that person that a lot of Asian Americans and white people also wouldn't know what that is. I sure didn't when I took the SAT in the 80s.

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We agree and that happens. People call it locality diversity when school pluck someone from a fly over state with top scores but “300 points lower” than the top students.

It’s happening for all groups.

They are not picking white or Asian kids 300 points lower from a flyover state.

They certainly are for some kids from Wyoming/Montana/etc.

Wyoming has one of the best school systems in the country

OK. The academic performance of kids from Wyoming/Montana/Alaska/etc was definitely lower than the average at my elite university. They were all great people and were able to do the work (AKA they were "qualified"), but they didn't perform as well as most others.