Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)

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Anonymous wrote:Higher education shoud be mainly for acedemic merit and must be color blind.

I suppose your definition of merit is whatever your kid does well?

Also, this whole premise is wrong. Higher education should be about education. Diversity is a part of education.

Diversity is not part of school education - it is part of education at home.

Where did these insane ideas come from?
It absolutely is a part of higher ed. The whole point is that individual homes have limited breadth, and gathering at a higher ed institution fosters greater breadth of ideas, in part through diversity.

Hmmmm... I'm not seeing a lot of conservative ideas being fostered at higher ed institutions. Whether you agree with them or not, you have to admit that they are not being fostered.

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Or even neutral ideas around science. Remember when conservatives were the "anti-science" party? Science and math are now out the window at these schools.

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I find these anti-diversity posts so uninformed. Don't fret - your kid still won't get into Harvard if affirmative action is struck down.

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Anonymous wrote:How will this affect universities trying for gender parity? Eg 39,000 female applicants and 22,000 make applicants but they admit males at higher rate to have a near 50-50 class?

Depends on how narrow or wide the SC rules against affirmative action.

Forgot to add that Noah Feldman (Harvard Law) addressed this:

Universities would no longer be allowed to pursue racial diversity, gender diversity, sexual orientation diversity or religious diversity. (They would still be allowed to pursue economic diversity, class diversity, viewpoint diversity and geographic diversity, because these categories aren’t protected against discrimination by the Constitution or civil rights laws.) https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/supreme-court-will-end-the-era-of-college-diversity/2022/10/16/4716c656-4d53-11ed-ada8-04e6e6bf8b19_story.html

The above quote is a broad and disingenuous statement — religion and gender have nothing to do with the case, as the author well knows; this “slippery slope,” gender-too argument is a bugbear that can safely be ignored. Last I checked it was “race” — not “gender” — which was subject to “strict scrutiny.” Let’s keep the discussion to what the court decision will actually be about: race.

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Anonymous wrote:So will it help white male applicants? Especially low income? I have a horse in this race lol

Not at most universities. It’s currently a huge advantage to be male at most schools so males may lose their preferential treatment. There are exceptions.

It’s the first time I hear about the advantage of being male, unless it’s a liberal arts school

From Georgetown’s website “The Wall Street Journal recently highlighted the shifting representation of men and women on U.S. college campuses, pointing out that men accounted for 71 percent of the overall enrollment decline across the last five years—and 78 percent of pandemic-related drop-outs. As of spring 2021, women made up 59.5 percent of all U.S. college students, a record high.” But women have been majority of college students for past forty years. One factor is the greater availability of well-paying jobs not requiring a degree that are traditionally male or currently male-dominated (including the trades). While traditionally female jobs like teaching and nursing can be lower paid but still require degrees.

Thank you, I hope it will help my son but not holding my breath just yet

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Students attend college for an education and preparation for a career. They’re not part of some absurd social experiment and if any of you have children in college the amount of self segregation amongst minority groups lays bare the myth of diversity as an enhancement to the overall experience. If you spent half as much time instilling positive values in your children as you do whining about diversity perhaps your children wouldn’t need affirmative action to attend a competitive college.

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Anonymous wrote:Or even neutral ideas around science. Remember when conservatives were the "anti-science" party? Science and math are now out the window at these schools.

I don't understand this comment at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Higher education shoud be mainly for acedemic merit and must be color blind.

Actually, higher education is about far more than just academics.

If they go color-blind, they could still build diversity based on geographic location.

If they get rid of AA, will they also eliminate preferences based on legacy status?

Probably not but they should

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Anonymous wrote:Higher education shoud be mainly for acedemic merit and must be color blind.

Actually, higher education is about far more than just academics.

If they go color-blind, they could still build diversity based on geographic location.

If they get rid of AA, will they also eliminate preferences based on legacy status?

I don’t understand why people don’t get more upset about this than AA.

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Anonymous wrote:Students attend college for an education and preparation for a career. They’re not part of some absurd social experiment and if any of you have children in college the amount of self segregation amongst minority groups lays bare the myth of diversity as an enhancement to the overall experience. If you spent half as much time instilling positive values in your children as you do whining about diversity perhaps your children wouldn’t need affirmative action to attend a competitive college.

Ah yes the only barrier to attending prestigious colleges is lack of parents instilling good values. Do you hear yourselves?

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Anonymous wrote:Or even neutral ideas around science. Remember when conservatives were the "anti-science" party? Science and math are now out the window at these schools.

I’m sorry but what is neutral science?

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I’m wondering if cases like this are also aligned with things like Steve Barton’s goal of increasing chaos. I agree with the PP who said that nothing in America is colorblind. If the admissions to state supported schools look less and less like their communities, tax payers may become less and less willing to support them financially. So state, city, and county schools wither — and the people most in need of cost conscious education and the professions most dependent on these students will all lose out.

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I hope this shakes out into the workplace too.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this shakes out into the workplace too.

Same. My boss was just denied a promotion and flat out told that it looked better for them to promote a female than another white male. I know another white male who was told by his boss, the VP of Sales, that he would never be promoted because he was a white male. And our VP of HR said he was only considering “diverse candidates” for an open position on his team. He settled for a white gay male but was open about his preference for a black female.

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I am a white person with both white kids and asian kids. I do not think my asian kids raised in the same house should have to score 300 points higher on the SAT for the same shot at admissions to my alma mater (Harvard). That is pure racism and I will never vote democrat again after seeing how they support this.