DA vs ECNL vs everything else

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the truth. You don't need to except it. Its fine

Loudoun has a 100 kids at a U9 tryout. The put together strong youth teams because of that. Yet, they have always been incapable to keeping their talent every since FCV and Mclean got the ECNL bid back in 08 or whenever it was. Look at past rosters for both FCV and Mclean ECNL teams. A lot the kids are from Western Prince William, Western Fairfax and Loudoun County. FACTS! Barely any Mclean kids on the rosters. FACTS!

Claiming these kids as Loudoun SC kids because they started their U9 travel season there is ridiculous.

TRUTH: FCV benefits from Loudoun SC player pool. So does Mclean. Because they top player leave to play in the top league. PERIOD!

TRUTH: ECNL going forward will not be the top league in Northern Virginia. Loudoun SC will continue to bleed talent. Maybe not to Mclean ...but to FCV DA.. who practices a mile away from their facilities.

Everything else is a sales pitch.

As a parent of a U9 Boy who plays for one of the top two teams at either Loudoun or McLean, the deep pool of players is not helping form strong teams.

[Anonymous]

A matter of fact, the #1 02 team in the nation according to GOTSOCCER is team from NJ called SJEB RUSH 02 GIRLS ACADEMY BLUE . They had the following results against area ECNL teams at Jeff Cup

MARYLAND UNITED FC 2002 ECNL (MD) 1-3
MCLEAN 02G ECNL (VA) 2-2

Points obtained: Zero

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's exactly what I'm saying about Loudoun. Still waiting on the name of that national level team that dominates.

Their best team with potential was their 05 team. They lost a few top players and poof..complete implosion. They have 5 teams in that age group and still couldn't replace the talent lost. So don't tell me about the numbers. Theyre bleedng talent to the DA and the trend will not reverse. They only got ECNL because FCV gave it up.

Is Loudon 02 not a competitive team given its 3rd place national ranking?

I would say they'd be competitive in ECNL, but certainly not dominant, as would be suggested by being ranked so high (4th now by GotSoccer). To put it in perspective, they've played the BRYC 02 ECNL team twice this soccer year and both games ended in a 0-0 tie. BRYC finished third in their ECNL conference, so you'd expect Loudoun to be about the same. The 02s would have probably been the highest finishing Loudoun team if they were in ECNL this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's exactly what I'm saying about Loudoun. Still waiting on the name of that national level team that dominates.

Their best team with potential was their 05 team. They lost a few top players and poof..complete implosion. They have 5 teams in that age group and still couldn't replace the talent lost. So don't tell me about the numbers. Theyre bleedng talent to the DA and the trend will not reverse. They only got ECNL because FCV gave it up.

The Loudoun Boys 1999 team is nationally competitive and my guess is there are multiple D1 college commitments off that team. Not familiar with the competitive landscape on the Girls side, but see no reason that there can't be top Loudoun Girls teams if there are top Loudoun Boys teams. My guess is one of the reasons US Soccer is extending the Boys DA at Loudoun is the strength of their playing pool and teams.

[Anonymous]

https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/National/All/Both/

For those who care about rankings. Whatever they use to assign a score to the teams, its pretty accurate when the teams actually play on the field. Instead of chasing points in lower brackets or getting blown out when placed in a higher bracket unnecessarily.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/National/All/Both/

For those who care about rankings. Whatever they use to assign a score to the teams, its pretty accurate when the teams actually play on the field. Instead of chasing points in lower brackets or getting blown out when placed in a higher bracket unnecessarily.

I see links to that site on here a lot. Was it developed by someone in the DC area? I couldn't find any "about" section on the site. I appreciate that someone tried to come up with better methodology than Gotsoccer, but the rankings for the age groups I know about are absolutely bizarre.

[Anonymous]

the number of players in the pool does, though. You look at how many elementary schools feed into a club - every elementary school will provide a couple of strong players for the top teams, and more players for lower travel teams or numbers for rec teams.

The more elementary schools you have which feed into a club, thereby the better base your travel teams have to draw from. The more kids show up to tryouts, the choosier the coaches can be.

[Anonymous]

Loudoun02 being ranked #91 in this poll is still a long stretch considering no DA teams are represented.

[Anonymous]

For example, PAC can provide the best training in the area, let's say the training is better than Arlington's red teams... but they will not be able to compete with them on the field at least at the younger ages because they have oodles of players to pick and choose from.

[Anonymous]

there are always a few gifted athletes, special talents, or kids who are already capable of playing up a year for whatever reason. When you draw in enough numbers you can form an entire team just of those players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:GOTSOCCER points is for those who don't truly understand the landscape.

ECNL and DA teams don't chase GOTSOCCER points.

Mclean 02 ECNL won Bethesda and Jefferson Cup and are ranked lower than Loudoun 02 because they play much less GOTSOCCER tournaments

There is not one SINGLE 02 DA or ECNL team in the top 10 in the nation according to GOTSOCCER points. I assure you, PDA DA, SURF DA, etc. are the best teams in the nation. Its not even debatable.

Don't bother reasoning with this parent. Either McLean worried about ECNL next fall or FCV worried about recruiting.

No matter what - this parent gives zero credit to Loudoun.

The fact that Loudoun Soccer is the only club the put a team in the top bracket of Jeff Cup each age group U10-U13? Playing against the best teams from TX, PA and OH? Means nothing. Jeff Cup officials are fools and used past performance to place Loudoun teams there.

The fact that Loudoun 07G is the top ranked in VA not because of GotSoccer but BECAUSE they won (in the last twelve months) Bethesda Premier Cup Champion, Arlington Tournament Champion, Jeff Cup Finalist (Top Bracket), WAGS Semi-Finalist, and 14-2-2 overall? Nah, that's not dominating performance...those girls are only 10 and 11 years old. They are chasing GotSoccer points! All of them will be gone from Loudoun in 1 year.

Ok well then we should ignore the Loudoun 06G (#3 in VA), 05G (#1 in VA) too because they will be playing for FCV, McLean or WS next year. That's like rooting for those teams. Let's move to older girls...

How about Loudoun 04G? They just won their Jeff Cup bracket and won VA State Cup last year. Nope you can't count that either. It's not DA so its not real soccer. For that reason I won't mention the National Championship that Loudoun won.

The only thing that counts for this parent is the games his kids win. Nothing else counts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/National/All/Both/

For those who care about rankings. Whatever they use to assign a score to the teams, its pretty accurate when the teams actually play on the field. Instead of chasing points in lower brackets or getting blown out when placed in a higher bracket unnecessarily.

I see links to that site on here a lot. Was it developed by someone in the DC area? I couldn't find any "about" section on the site. I appreciate that someone tried to come up with better methodology than Gotsoccer, but the rankings for the age groups I know about are absolutely bizarre.

No idea where the creator is from/at. I was a bit thrown off as well but used it a few times just to see how the teams match up according to the site and it was pretty reliable right down to the score differential.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GOTSOCCER points is for those who don't truly understand the landscape.

ECNL and DA teams don't chase GOTSOCCER points.

Mclean 02 ECNL won Bethesda and Jefferson Cup and are ranked lower than Loudoun 02 because they play much less GOTSOCCER tournaments

There is not one SINGLE 02 DA or ECNL team in the top 10 in the nation according to GOTSOCCER points. I assure you, PDA DA, SURF DA, etc. are the best teams in the nation. Its not even debatable.

Don't bother reasoning with this parent. Either McLean worried about ECNL next fall or FCV worried about recruiting.

No matter what - this parent gives zero credit to Loudoun.

The fact that Loudoun Soccer is the only club the put a team in the top bracket of Jeff Cup each age group U10-U13? Playing against the best teams from TX, PA and OH? Means nothing. Jeff Cup officials are fools and used past performance to place Loudoun teams there.

The fact that Loudoun 07G is the top ranked in VA not because of GotSoccer but BECAUSE they won (in the last twelve months) Bethesda Premier Cup Champion, Arlington Tournament Champion, Jeff Cup Finalist (Top Bracket), WAGS Semi-Finalist, and 14-2-2 overall? Nah, that's not dominating performance...those girls are only 10 and 11 years old. They are chasing GotSoccer points! All of them will be gone from Loudoun in 1 year.

Ok well then we should ignore the Loudoun 06G (#3 in VA), 05G (#1 in VA) too because they will be playing for FCV, McLean or WS next year. That's like rooting for those teams. Let's move to older girls...

How about Loudoun 04G? They just won their Jeff Cup bracket and won VA State Cup last year. Nope you can't count that either. It's not DA so its not real soccer. For that reason I won't mention the National Championship that Loudoun won.

The only thing that counts for this parent is the games his kids win. Nothing else counts.

If your going to end your response with a qualifying sentence, make sure it doesn't contradict everything in the preceding paragraphs.

"The only thing that counts for this parent is the games his kids win. Nothing else counts."

Says the person listing all the accomplishments

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GOTSOCCER points is for those who don't truly understand the landscape.

ECNL and DA teams don't chase GOTSOCCER points.

Mclean 02 ECNL won Bethesda and Jefferson Cup and are ranked lower than Loudoun 02 because they play much less GOTSOCCER tournaments

There is not one SINGLE 02 DA or ECNL team in the top 10 in the nation according to GOTSOCCER points. I assure you, PDA DA, SURF DA, etc. are the best teams in the nation. Its not even debatable.

Don't bother reasoning with this parent. Either McLean worried about ECNL next fall or FCV worried about recruiting.

No matter what - this parent gives zero credit to Loudoun.

The fact that Loudoun Soccer is the only club the put a team in the top bracket of Jeff Cup each age group U10-U13? Playing against the best teams from TX, PA and OH? Means nothing. Jeff Cup officials are fools and used past performance to place Loudoun teams there.

The fact that Loudoun 07G is the top ranked in VA not because of GotSoccer but BECAUSE they won (in the last twelve months) Bethesda Premier Cup Champion, Arlington Tournament Champion, Jeff Cup Finalist (Top Bracket), WAGS Semi-Finalist, and 14-2-2 overall? Nah, that's not dominating performance...those girls are only 10 and 11 years old. They are chasing GotSoccer points! All of them will be gone from Loudoun in 1 year.

Ok well then we should ignore the Loudoun 06G (#3 in VA), 05G (#1 in VA) too because they will be playing for FCV, McLean or WS next year. That's like rooting for those teams. Let's move to older girls...

How about Loudoun 04G? They just won their Jeff Cup bracket and won VA State Cup last year. Nope you can't count that either. It's not DA so its not real soccer. For that reason I won't mention the National Championship that Loudoun won.

The only thing that counts for this parent is the games his kids win. Nothing else counts.

If your going to end your response with a qualifying sentence, make sure it doesn't contradict everything in the preceding paragraphs.

"The only thing that counts for this parent is the games his kids win. Nothing else counts."

So says the person listing all the accomplishments

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GOTSOCCER points is for those who don't truly understand the landscape.

ECNL and DA teams don't chase GOTSOCCER points.

Mclean 02 ECNL won Bethesda and Jefferson Cup and are ranked lower than Loudoun 02 because they play much less GOTSOCCER tournaments

There is not one SINGLE 02 DA or ECNL team in the top 10 in the nation according to GOTSOCCER points. I assure you, PDA DA, SURF DA, etc. are the best teams in the nation. Its not even debatable.

Don't bother reasoning with this parent. Either McLean worried about ECNL next fall or FCV worried about recruiting.

No matter what - this parent gives zero credit to Loudoun.

The fact that Loudoun Soccer is the only club the put a team in the top bracket of Jeff Cup each age group U10-U13? Playing against the best teams from TX, PA and OH? Means nothing. Jeff Cup officials are fools and used past performance to place Loudoun teams there.

The fact that Loudoun 07G is the top ranked in VA not because of GotSoccer but BECAUSE they won (in the last twelve months) Bethesda Premier Cup Champion, Arlington Tournament Champion, Jeff Cup Finalist (Top Bracket), WAGS Semi-Finalist, and 14-2-2 overall? Nah, that's not dominating performance...those girls are only 10 and 11 years old. They are chasing GotSoccer points! All of them will be gone from Loudoun in 1 year.

Ok well then we should ignore the Loudoun 06G (#3 in VA), 05G (#1 in VA) too because they will be playing for FCV, McLean or WS next year. That's like rooting for those teams. Let's move to older girls...

How about Loudoun 04G? They just won their Jeff Cup bracket and won VA State Cup last year. Nope you can't count that either. It's not DA so its not real soccer. For that reason I won't mention the National Championship that Loudoun won.

The only thing that counts for this parent is the games his kids win. Nothing else counts.

If your going to end your response with a qualifying sentence, make sure it doesn't contradict everything in the preceding paragraphs.

"The only thing that counts for this parent is the games his kids win. Nothing else counts."

So says the person listing all the accomplishments

Gotcha. Well if the sarcasm I wrote went over your head - we are not playing on the same field at all. Not even the same sport.