DA vs ECNL vs everything else

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brittney Basinger?

She plays for Spirit and she listed her club as FCV. Is that who you are referring to...because if so...wow...that kind of backfired.

OMG. Who is Brittney Basinger? So you really need help understanding who starts for the Washington Spirit? OK let me hold your hand...

https://www.loudountimes.com/sports/loudoun-duo-playing-professional-soccer-for-washington-spirit/article_81ad7f77-a2e7-5731-b08f-75066a8b4059.html

Now read the article closely where Haracic says that they played together at Loudoun Soccer. Now I am moving on because you are obviously helpless.

[Anonymous]

Here is the truth. You don't need to except it. Its fine

Loudoun has a 100 kids at a U9 tryout. The put together strong youth teams because of that. Yet, they have always been incapable to keeping their talent every since FCV and Mclean got the ECNL bid back in 08 or whenever it was. Look at past rosters for both FCV and Mclean ECNL teams. A lot the kids are from Western Prince William, Western Fairfax and Loudoun County. FACTS! Barely any Mclean kids on the rosters. FACTS!

Claiming these kids as Loudoun SC kids because they started their U9 travel season there is ridiculous.

TRUTH: FCV benefits from Loudoun SC player pool. So does Mclean. Because they top player leave to play in the top league. PERIOD!

TRUTH: ECNL going forward will not be the top league in Northern Virginia. Loudoun SC will continue to bleed talent. Maybe not to Mclean ...but to FCV DA.. who practices a mile away from their facilities.

Everything else is a sales pitch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brittney Basinger?

She plays for Spirit and she listed her club as FCV. Is that who you are referring to...because if so...wow...that kind of backfired.

OMG. Who is Brittney Basinger? So you really need help understanding who starts for the Washington Spirit? OK let me hold your hand...

https://www.loudountimes.com/sports/loudoun-duo-playing-professional-soccer-for-washington-spirit/article_81ad7f77-a2e7-5731-b08f-75066a8b4059.html

Now read the article closely where Haracic says that they played together at Loudoun Soccer. Now I am moving on because you are obviously helpless.

*Drafted by the Washington Spirit with the first pick of the 3rd round (No. 21 overall) in the 2018 NWSL College Draft

Hold this:

U.S. NATIONAL TEAM EXPERIENCE
Played on the U.S. U-23 WNT that brought home the 2016 Nordic Tournament title…Joined the U.S. U-23 WNT for a training camp in May 2016…Member of the U-20 Women’s National Team that won the 2014 CONCACAF U-20 Women’s Championship and competed at the 2014 FIFA U-20 Women’s World Cup…Played on the U17 Women’s National Team and in the U17 Women’s World Cup in the fall of 2012.

[Anonymous]

LMFAO. Why do you keep humiliating yourself like this.

"Both players have some difficulty remembering when they first joined the Loudoun club ranks, but they speculate it was around 2000 when they would have been 7 or 8. From that point, they remained teammates until Haracic switched over to McLean Youth Soccer during high school"

DING DING DING

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brittney Basinger?

She plays for Spirit and she listed her club as FCV. Is that who you are referring to...because if so...wow...that kind of backfired.

OMG. Who is Brittney Basinger? So you really need help understanding who starts for the Washington Spirit? OK let me hold your hand...

https://www.loudountimes.com/sports/loudoun-duo-playing-professional-soccer-for-washington-spirit/article_81ad7f77-a2e7-5731-b08f-75066a8b4059.html

Now read the article closely where Haracic says that they played together at Loudoun Soccer. Now I am moving on because you are obviously helpless.

*Drafted by the Washington Spirit with the first pick of the 3rd round (No. 21 overall) in the 2018 NWSL College Draft

Hold this:

U.S. NATIONAL TEAM EXPERIENCE
Played on the U.S. U-23 WNT that brought home the 2016 Nordic Tournament title…Joined the U.S. U-23 WNT for a training camp in May 2016…Member of the U-20 Women’s National Team that won the 2014 CONCACAF U-20 Women’s Championship and competed at the 2014 FIFA U-20 Women’s World Cup…Played on the U17 Women’s National Team and in the U17 Women’s World Cup in the fall of 2012.

She did not make the team. It's rare that a 3rd rounder does. That's how NWSL works. Really tough to make the pro team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brittney Basinger?

She plays for Spirit and she listed her club as FCV. Is that who you are referring to...because if so...wow...that kind of backfired.

OMG. Who is Brittney Basinger? So you really need help understanding who starts for the Washington Spirit? OK let me hold your hand...

https://www.loudountimes.com/sports/loudoun-duo-playing-professional-soccer-for-washington-spirit/article_81ad7f77-a2e7-5731-b08f-75066a8b4059.html

Now read the article closely where Haracic says that they played together at Loudoun Soccer. Now I am moving on because you are obviously helpless.

*Drafted by the Washington Spirit with the first pick of the 3rd round (No. 21 overall) in the 2018 NWSL College Draft


Hold this:

U.S. NATIONAL TEAM EXPERIENCE
Played on the U.S. U-23 WNT that brought home the 2016 Nordic Tournament title…Joined the U.S. U-23 WNT for a training camp in May 2016…Member of the U-20 Women’s National Team that won the 2014 CONCACAF U-20 Women’s Championship and competed at the 2014 FIFA U-20 Women’s World Cup…Played on the U17 Women’s National Team and in the U17 Women’s World Cup in the fall of 2012.

She did not make the team. It's rare that a 3rd rounder does. That's how NWSL works. Really tough to make the pro team.

Well then. I stand corrected. Gracefully bowing out

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the truth. You don't need to except it. Its fine

Loudoun has a 100 kids at a U9 tryout. The put together strong youth teams because of that. Yet, they have always been incapable to keeping their talent every since FCV and Mclean got the ECNL bid back in 08 or whenever it was. Look at past rosters for both FCV and Mclean ECNL teams. A lot the kids are from Western Prince William, Western Fairfax and Loudoun County. FACTS! Barely any Mclean kids on the rosters. FACTS!

Claiming these kids as Loudoun SC kids because they started their U9 travel season there is ridiculous.

TRUTH: FCV benefits from Loudoun SC player pool. So does Mclean. Because they top player leave to play in the top league. PERIOD!

TRUTH: ECNL going forward will not be the top league in Northern Virginia. Loudoun SC will continue to bleed talent. Maybe not to Mclean ...but to FCV DA.. who practices a mile away from their facilities.

Everything else is a sales pitch.

Ok here is some truth. FCV DA is really not appealing to many Loudoun players. Some may go but ECNL has really changed the landscape for Loudoun families. You don't have to believe that. You can write that off. I don't really care but I know many Loudoun families.

If you really know FCV like you say you do, you know that many of their girls left FCV to come to Loudoun. Others have left FCV for other programs too. This is a small community and FCV does not have a good reputation. I know what team your DD is on. Your coach has a reputation for yelling at the the girls, and I mean cursing at them. That's the FCV way. Coach D they will get after him has the same rep. I am talking about coaches berating the girls until they cry. I am telling you that I have seen it happen. I have seen coach D yell at players sitting on the bench and towering over them until they break down. I have seen FCV girls literally break down in tantrums crying on the field. You can talk about toughening them up as much as you want but some families do not want that. F that.

FCV is a revolving door with coaches. Losing Julie after one year hurts the program. She came, got her daughter on the FCV DA team and left when she graduated HS. I am sure Bobby is great and he is in the area because his wife came to UMD, but it hurts to lose her. After Bobby's daughter graduates from FCV DA he will leave to. Watch.

There are plenty of other options for my DD to play soccer in the area.

TRUTH: My DD is a top player with Loudoun.

TRUTH: She will never play for FCV. Never.

[Anonymous]

My child doesn't play for FCV. Nor do I care about FCV. Nor do I have respect for their program.

But the truth is the truth. LOUDOUN bleeds talent and will continue to do so to FCV. Not because FCV is a better but because they had ECNL and now DA which is seen as the top league. It is what it has. 10 years of historcially data proves it.

A lot of Loudoun parents hate FCV...but went anyways.

So yes..i agree with you on many levels...but the bleeding of talent I do not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My child doesn't play for FCV. Nor do I care about FCV. Nor do I have respect for their program.

But the truth is the truth. LOUDOUN bleeds talent and will continue to do so to FCV. Not because FCV is a better but because they had ECNL and now DA which is seen as the top league. It is what it has. 10 years of historcially data proves it.

A lot of Loudoun parents hate FCV...but went anyways.

So yes..i agree with you on many levels...but the bleeding of talent I do not.

Loudoun will always bleed talent because it churns out 80 travel players per year. The point is that plenty of potential will still be there. There is no where else for them to go. How many will they lose to DA? 10? So 70 players left behind to develop? Each year?

You can look back on 10 years. But Loudoun never had a platform like ECNL or DA before. College coaches will find the talent. Your DA or bust argument makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

It's not a DA or bust argument.

There is a HUGE drop off between the #1 player and #20 player.

If you lose the top 5 players per age group #6-11 can not make it up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not a DA or bust argument.

There is a HUGE drop off between the #1 player and #20 player.

If you lose the top 5 players per age group #6-11 can not make it up.

Ok but what point are you trying to make? That FCV and WS can beat ECNLs teams?

So what?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ ... vs Everything else. This is about elite soccer.

You fools still don't get it. Yes, ECNL/DA are great options and are full of great players that are going DI. That was never the issue. The issue is that not every player want to play ECNL/DA. There are teams that are elite players who play on non ECNL/DA teams. These non ECNL/DA teams are elite teams that play against other elite teams, ibncluding ECNL.

Yes, Loudon and Arlington are transitioning to ECNL and DA, respectovely, but they were selected because they produced elite teams with DI talent.

The point, morons, is that a family that does not want ECNL/DA but wants elite play has options and the numbers above only prove my point. ECNL/DA might produce more D! players but FC Bordeaux USA is ranked nationally because it has beat other elite teams, including ECNL teams. Also, I believe the team had 9 DI signees.

I hate to be rude but I feel like folks are so caught up in their bubbles that they don't realize that there are folks out there who just can't access ECNL/DA yet have kids that are as good or better than the kids on those teams. I have been around the game enough to have seen some very strong teams that are not affiliated with elite clubs like those in ECNL/DA. I ran into FC Bordeux at the Bethesda Tournament last year. They won their bracket which including smashing BRYC top ranked ECNL club.

BTW, Pipeline and SAC have an affiliation with WS but not every elite player is joining WS.

Nobody has ever debated these points. Parents have been saying these things on forums when it was just ECNL too. Choose your best path. In all the scenarios it is the kid who has to do the legwork to get scouted. The, team or the league are mearly the platform.

The million dollar question is if all options available could a kid be developed the same over the years if he were in a DA team, an ECNL team, a non-DA/ECNL team or just a Rec team, assuming he/she put in the same amount of effort themselves?

Is there anyone who thinks a kid working hard in rec will come out the same as a kid working hard in ECNL/DA/a national team for their country? To think that, you'd have to believe that there is no benefit from playing with and against motivated, talented peers and that coaching doesn't make a difference either. No one actually believes that, right? The better your team and competition, the better you will be if you are in a supportive environment.

Some parents who have gone through the process may tell you that it's not the team practices and games that will make the difference, at least not until U16 or so.

If those parents want to tell me that you need to put a ton of work in on your own from the time you are small, and that no level of team, competition, or coaching will make you great if you fail to do the work at home, that's fine. But are these parents going to take it a step further and say that's all you need to do, and that the level of team practice, outside training, competition, and coaching make no difference until kids are 15 or 16? That doesn't make any sense outside of the (very rare for here) situations where a kid is playing at home every day with family members/friends who are pro-level.

The kids don't just playing at home. They do outside training and pickup games on the regular basis as some parents think the team practices provide little value to the kids' individual development, especially ulittle stage. And the tactics can be easily implemented once the foundation is build. Not the other way around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:2006 tryouts similar to 2005 so it sounds like-almost all Arlington girls, about 30 in total. 5-6 non Arlington Girls.

Wonder if they just plan to take a mix of current Red and White players and call it a day.

That is what pre-DA is at Arlington for the Boys '05 and '06--made up of all red and some white players. It's the new "A" team.

The girls on lower teams get to push up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's exactly what I'm saying about Loudoun. Still waiting on the name of that national level team that dominates.

Their best team with potential was their 05 team. They lost a few top players and poof..complete implosion. They have 5 teams in that age group and still couldn't replace the talent lost. So don't tell me about the numbers. Theyre bleedng talent to the DA and the trend will not reverse. They only got ECNL because FCV gave it up.

Is Loudon 02 not a competitive team given its 3rd place national ranking?

[Anonymous]

GOTSOCCER points is for those who don't truly understand the landscape.

ECNL and DA teams don't chase GOTSOCCER points.

Mclean 02 ECNL won Bethesda and Jefferson Cup and are ranked lower than Loudoun 02 because they play much less GOTSOCCER tournaments

There is not one SINGLE 02 DA or ECNL team in the top 10 in the nation according to GOTSOCCER points. I assure you, PDA DA, SURF DA, etc. are the best teams in the nation. Its not even debatable.