School residency cheaters investigated

[Anonymous]

When people ask me why I oppose DC statehood, as a DC resident, I tell them it's because we're apparently incapable of good government.

Marion Barry is dead an gone, and yet the legacy of graft and corruption lives on. Ward 9 controls the District. It's a complete joke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:once again - the "apparent scope" of the fraud is being grossly inflated by people with an agenda. DC appears to be taking appropriate action. Please move on to something else.

What "agenda" do you think is being pushed? I see articles from Daily Caller, the Post, and other sources all saying that there are some bad apples cheating DCPS and the people of DC by fraudulently enrolling their children at DCPS even though they really live outside of DC. I don't see any secret agenda being pushed, other than the desire to address residency fraud.

If you think there's a secret agenda, then you should tell us all what you think it is, and you should put forward your proof of that supposed agenda.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:once again - the "apparent scope" of the fraud is being grossly inflated by people with an agenda. DC appears to be taking appropriate action. Please move on to something else.

What "agenda" do you think is being pushed? I see articles from Daily Caller, the Post, and other sources all saying that there are some bad apples cheating DCPS and the people of DC by fraudulently enrolling their children at DCPS even though they really live outside of DC. I don't see any secret agenda being pushed, other than the desire to address residency fraud.

If you think there's a secret agenda, then you should tell us all what you think it is, and you should put forward your proof of that supposed agenda.

see above! it's about DC statehood.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:once again - the "apparent scope" of the fraud is being grossly inflated by people with an agenda. DC appears to be taking appropriate action. Please move on to something else.

What "agenda" do you think is being pushed? I see articles from Daily Caller, the Post, and other sources all saying that there are some bad apples cheating DCPS and the people of DC by fraudulently enrolling their children at DCPS even though they really live outside of DC. I don't see any secret agenda being pushed, other than the desire to address residency fraud.

If you think there's a secret agenda, then you should tell us all what you think it is, and you should put forward your proof of that supposed agenda.

see above! it's about DC statehood.

This. The Daily Caller's numbers aren't REAL NUMBERS. They don't prove ANYTHING. They don't even add up. They grossly inflated the dollar amount per pupil, and they wave their hands and say 40% of all cars from "some" schools, and you think that is a fact? Yes, they found one family admitting to cheating and circumstantial evidence about another family. That is not proof of a vast conspiracy, it is barely proof of anything at all. Write a story using actual numbers and I'll pay attention. They can't do that, because they can't prove them. And, frankly, there ARE a lot of nebulous cases, where kids are staying with caregivers, where transportation is up in the air, etc. Any search for actual scofflaws needs to acknowledge DC's own investigations, and reasons why some children might be in a car with out of state plates and it might not be fraud.

And, for the fiftieth damn time, I am not a PG resident, not black, not poor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A cool compilation showing that yes, DC is already taking steps to stop fraud and the Daily Caller's "journalism" is just a way to bash the Democrats and black people through the proxy of the District.

I'm the one who posted the cool compilation, and I disagree with your take on it. What I see is that residency fraud at DCPS a problem that's been reported on for many years now. Despite any efforts DCPS has taken to address residency fraud, lots of people are still doing it.

I actually appreciate the Daily Caller series as an example of shoe-leather investigative journalism that doesn't happen much anymore. Few reporters seem to have the time and desire to spend the time and effort to physically check out the on-the-ground situation. Most would rather simply research online and make phone calls. The Daily Caller duo actually went out there an did their own investigation. No, their finished product wasn't as polished and pretty as the Post's, but it's still solid journalism. I think it takes a new angle on the basic story the Post has been telling for years.

There seem to be lots of fraud-apologists on this thread who are trying to toss dirt on the Daily Caller series. I disagree with lots of Daily Caller's slant on political topics, but this series seems accurate. It's hitting the same theme that the Post has hit many times before. No one claimed the Post coverage was biased, so it seems hypocritical and unfair to suddenly call the Daily Caller series biased.

The bottom line - as demonstrated many times by the Post, other news outlets, DCPS's own audits, and the Daily Caller series - is that DCPS has an ongoing problem with residency fraud. It's tough to stop people from cheating the system. It's even tougher when some people within DCPS and OSSE seem to be ignoring the fraud. It's especially frustrating when there's evidence that people within DCPS, OSSE, or other parts of DC government are taking part in the fraud themselves.

Something needs to be done about this. People here ought to push the issue with their local schools and with their elected representatives. People here ought to help out by reporting suspected cheaters, so OSSE can efficiently conduct the investigations we're paying it to do.

Well sorry, your post had the opposite effect on me. It seems clear that DC is already commited (through audits and some high profile prosecutions) to adequately address this issue. People who are obsessed with it have some other bee really in their bonnets ...

Given the apparent scope of the residency fraud and the fact that some aren't too bothered by it, it hardly seems that DC is committed to addressing this through adequate investigatory resources and follow up. Incentives are needed as well, such as one suggestion that is apparently followed by some other school districts, that a school lose some additional percentage (e.g., 200% ) of the per pupil allocation for each fraud case discovered. That would nicely incentivize school principals and administrative staff to share accountability for addressing the problem.

once again - the "apparent scope" of the fraud is being grossly inflated by people with an agenda. DC appears to be taking appropriate action. Please move on to something else.

Wrong. DC has been avoiding action for decades. The apparent scope is that PG County illegals are parading about, openly admitting to ripping off DC taxpayerrs. Put leins on their houses until they repay the tuition and put them in jail.

Sick of the excuses.

[Anonymous]

Another thing I'd like to point out: maybe it's the statehood thing that gives people in this area such a chip on their shoulder about the borders? But coming from New York City? You know, we'd JOKE about Staten Island, (an actual part of New York City), or New Jersey, or Long Island, Connecticut; but we would never go on such personal crusades against them. I'm sure there are residency cheaters there too--I knew a ton of people in Brooklyn (Note: I DID NOT DO THIS) who rented apartments to get their kids into 321 or 29; or who sublet apartments and used the addresses, used their parent's addresses, etc. I suppose they all are dirty cheating rule-breakers, but I never really gave a damn. I assumed that life was hard enough, short enough, and some things were not my business.

People here seem to spend so much time and energy whining about what they don't have, what other people have, and how unfair it all is. It makes this a really oppressive place to be. I'm considering moving us into Silver Spring, even if it would disrupt my children and their school where they are happy, simply because I am wondering if maybe people there are not quite so miserable and horrible? Thoughts? Is there anywhere in the DMV that isn't full of people shrieking about the people who live five blocks away over a border who are in some way, bad? You guys make Philadelphians look friendly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A cool compilation showing that yes, DC is already taking steps to stop fraud and the Daily Caller's "journalism" is just a way to bash the Democrats and black people through the proxy of the District.

I'm the one who posted the cool compilation, and I disagree with your take on it. What I see is that residency fraud at DCPS a problem that's been reported on for many years now. Despite any efforts DCPS has taken to address residency fraud, lots of people are still doing it.

I actually appreciate the Daily Caller series as an example of shoe-leather investigative journalism that doesn't happen much anymore. Few reporters seem to have the time and desire to spend the time and effort to physically check out the on-the-ground situation. Most would rather simply research online and make phone calls. The Daily Caller duo actually went out there an did their own investigation. No, their finished product wasn't as polished and pretty as the Post's, but it's still solid journalism. I think it takes a new angle on the basic story the Post has been telling for years.

There seem to be lots of fraud-apologists on this thread who are trying to toss dirt on the Daily Caller series. I disagree with lots of Daily Caller's slant on political topics, but this series seems accurate. It's hitting the same theme that the Post has hit many times before. No one claimed the Post coverage was biased, so it seems hypocritical and unfair to suddenly call the Daily Caller series biased.

The bottom line - as demonstrated many times by the Post, other news outlets, DCPS's own audits, and the Daily Caller series - is that DCPS has an ongoing problem with residency fraud. It's tough to stop people from cheating the system. It's even tougher when some people within DCPS and OSSE seem to be ignoring the fraud. It's especially frustrating when there's evidence that people within DCPS, OSSE, or other parts of DC government are taking part in the fraud themselves.

Something needs to be done about this. People here ought to push the issue with their local schools and with their elected representatives. People here ought to help out by reporting suspected cheaters, so OSSE can efficiently conduct the investigations we're paying it to do.

Well sorry, your post had the opposite effect on me. It seems clear that DC is already commited (through audits and some high profile prosecutions) to adequately address this issue. People who are obsessed with it have some other bee really in their bonnets ...

Given the apparent scope of the residency fraud and the fact that some aren't too bothered by it, it hardly seems that DC is committed to addressing this through adequate investigatory resources and follow up. Incentives are needed as well, such as one suggestion that is apparently followed by some other school districts, that a school lose some additional percentage (e.g., 200% ) of the per pupil allocation for each fraud case discovered. That would nicely incentivize school principals and administrative staff to share accountability for addressing the problem.

once again - the "apparent scope" of the fraud is being grossly inflated by people with an agenda. DC appears to be taking appropriate action. Please move on to something else.

Wrong. DC has been avoiding action for decades. The apparent scope is that PG County illegals are parading about, openly admitting to ripping off DC taxpayerrs. Put leins on their houses until they repay the tuition and put them in jail.

Sick of the excuses.

a lien on a 100k mortgaged home will not go anywhere, just go into bankruptcy. MD government should pay for DC's service in educating their residents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another thing I'd like to point out: maybe it's the statehood thing that gives people in this area such a chip on their shoulder about the borders? But coming from New York City? You know, we'd JOKE about Staten Island, (an actual part of New York City), or New Jersey, or Long Island, Connecticut; but we would never go on such personal crusades against them. I'm sure there are residency cheaters there too--I knew a ton of people in Brooklyn (Note: I DID NOT DO THIS) who rented apartments to get their kids into 321 or 29; or who sublet apartments and used the addresses, used their parent's addresses, etc. I suppose they all are dirty cheating rule-breakers, but I never really gave a damn. I assumed that life was hard enough, short enough, and some things were not my business.

People here seem to spend so much time and energy whining about what they don't have, what other people have, and how unfair it all is. It makes this a really oppressive place to be. I'm considering moving us into Silver Spring, even if it would disrupt my children and their school where they are happy, simply because I am wondering if maybe people there are not quite so miserable and horrible? Thoughts? Is there anywhere in the DMV that isn't full of people shrieking about the people who live five blocks away over a border who are in some way, bad? You guys make Philadelphians look friendly.

Mr. Rogers is from Pittsburgh. I recommend moving there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another thing I'd like to point out: maybe it's the statehood thing that gives people in this area such a chip on their shoulder about the borders? But coming from New York City? You know, we'd JOKE about Staten Island, (an actual part of New York City), or New Jersey, or Long Island, Connecticut; but we would never go on such personal crusades against them. I'm sure there are residency cheaters there too--I knew a ton of people in Brooklyn (Note: I DID NOT DO THIS) who rented apartments to get their kids into 321 or 29; or who sublet apartments and used the addresses, used their parent's addresses, etc. I suppose they all are dirty cheating rule-breakers, but I never really gave a damn. I assumed that life was hard enough, short enough, and some things were not my business.

People here seem to spend so much time and energy whining about what they don't have, what other people have, and how unfair it all is. It makes this a really oppressive place to be. I'm considering moving us into Silver Spring, even if it would disrupt my children and their school where they are happy, simply because I am wondering if maybe people there are not quite so miserable and horrible? Thoughts? Is there anywhere in the DMV that isn't full of people shrieking about the people who live five blocks away over a border who are in some way, bad? You guys make Philadelphians look friendly.

Mr. Rogers is from Pittsburgh. I recommend moving there.

I would love to. Trust me, our entire family is poised to decamp from this hellhole if at all possible as soon as we can. Even the things that are relatively positive here are tainted with this aura of classism and entitlement and... all the whining. I am so tired of all the whining. We get it. You want stuff that you don't have. Why don't you have the stuff? Wah. Someone else has the stuff. Maybe they didn't work hard. Wah. Wah. Don't they know you went to Princeton?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:once again - the "apparent scope" of the fraud is being grossly inflated by people with an agenda. DC appears to be taking appropriate action. Please move on to something else.

What "agenda" do you think is being pushed? I see articles from Daily Caller, the Post, and other sources all saying that there are some bad apples cheating DCPS and the people of DC by fraudulently enrolling their children at DCPS even though they really live outside of DC. I don't see any secret agenda being pushed, other than the desire to address residency fraud.

If you think there's a secret agenda, then you should tell us all what you think it is, and you should put forward your proof of that supposed agenda.

I think the not-so-secret agenda is about graft, corruption, laziness, and criminality. I think it's been going on for decades.

Oh look! It's the flavor of the day, maybe people will care for two seconds. Then we can go back to being robbed by Ward 9.

[Anonymous]

When whites left the city in the 50s and 60s, did they keep political power from their new perches in MoCo and NoVa?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1) Centralize the process - everyone would have to go to a single location to enroll rather than having it done at every single school.

2) Eliminate principal discretion for allowing people who have moved from one part of the city to another to stay at a neighborhood school. Appeals to stay can be allowed - but decision made by someone who doesn't have a personal relationship with the family requesting it.

This would be a frickin' nightmare!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another thing I'd like to point out: maybe it's the statehood thing that gives people in this area such a chip on their shoulder about the borders? But coming from New York City? You know, we'd JOKE about Staten Island, (an actual part of New York City), or New Jersey, or Long Island, Connecticut; but we would never go on such personal crusades against them. I'm sure there are residency cheaters there too--I knew a ton of people in Brooklyn (Note: I DID NOT DO THIS) who rented apartments to get their kids into 321 or 29; or who sublet apartments and used the addresses, used their parent's addresses, etc. I suppose they all are dirty cheating rule-breakers, but I never really gave a damn. I assumed that life was hard enough, short enough, and some things were not my business.

People here seem to spend so much time and energy whining about what they don't have, what other people have, and how unfair it all is. It makes this a really oppressive place to be. I'm considering moving us into Silver Spring, even if it would disrupt my children and their school where they are happy, simply because I am wondering if maybe people there are not quite so miserable and horrible? Thoughts? Is there anywhere in the DMV that isn't full of people shrieking about the people who live five blocks away over a border who are in some way, bad? You guys make Philadelphians look friendly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another thing I'd like to point out: maybe it's the statehood thing that gives people in this area such a chip on their shoulder about the borders? But coming from New York City? You know, we'd JOKE about Staten Island, (an actual part of New York City), or New Jersey, or Long Island, Connecticut; but we would never go on such personal crusades against them. I'm sure there are residency cheaters there too--I knew a ton of people in Brooklyn (Note: I DID NOT DO THIS) who rented apartments to get their kids into 321 or 29; or who sublet apartments and used the addresses, used their parent's addresses, etc. I suppose they all are dirty cheating rule-breakers, but I never really gave a damn. I assumed that life was hard enough, short enough, and some things were not my business.

People here seem to spend so much time and energy whining about what they don't have, what other people have, and how unfair it all is. It makes this a really oppressive place to be. I'm considering moving us into Silver Spring, even if it would disrupt my children and their school where they are happy, simply because I am wondering if maybe people there are not quite so miserable and horrible? Thoughts? Is there anywhere in the DMV that isn't full of people shrieking about the people who live five blocks away over a border who are in some way, bad? You guys make Philadelphians look friendly.

Mr. Rogers is from Pittsburgh. I recommend moving there.

I would love to. Trust me, our entire family is poised to decamp from this hellhole if at all possible as soon as we can. Even the things that are relatively positive here are tainted with this aura of classism and entitlement and... all the whining. I am so tired of all the whining. We get it. You want stuff that you don't have. Why don't you have the stuff? Wah. Someone else has the stuff. Maybe they didn't work hard. Wah. Wah. Don't they know you went to Princeton?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+1

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Anonymous wrote:Another thing I'd like to point out: maybe it's the statehood thing that gives people in this area such a chip on their shoulder about the borders? But coming from New York City? You know, we'd JOKE about Staten Island, (an actual part of New York City), or New Jersey, or Long Island, Connecticut; but we would never go on such personal crusades against them. I'm sure there are residency cheaters there too--I knew a ton of people in Brooklyn (Note: I DID NOT DO THIS) who rented apartments to get their kids into 321 or 29; or who sublet apartments and used the addresses, used their parent's addresses, etc. I suppose they all are dirty cheating rule-breakers, but I never really gave a damn. I assumed that life was hard enough, short enough, and some things were not my business.

People here seem to spend so much time and energy whining about what they don't have, what other people have, and how unfair it all is. It makes this a really oppressive place to be. I'm considering moving us into Silver Spring, even if it would disrupt my children and their school where they are happy, simply because I am wondering if maybe people there are not quite so miserable and horrible? Thoughts? Is there anywhere in the DMV that isn't full of people shrieking about the people who live five blocks away over a border who are in some way, bad? You guys make Philadelphians look friendly.

Mr. Rogers is from Pittsburgh. I recommend moving there.

I would love to. Trust me, our entire family is poised to decamp from this hellhole if at all possible as soon as we can. Even the things that are relatively positive here are tainted with this aura of classism and entitlement and... all the whining. I am so tired of all the whining. We get it. You want stuff that you don't have. Why don't you have the stuff? Wah. Someone else has the stuff. Maybe they didn't work hard. Wah. Wah. Don't they know you went to Princeton?

I think you are confusing place with time. Welcome to the Age of Income Inequality.