Can I sue Callie Oettinger?

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Anonymous wrote:If Callie hadn't distributed it maybe it would just be FCPS, but she is now involved as someone who distributed data that they shouldn't have.

whis·tle-blow·er
/ˈ(h)wisəl ˌblō(ə)r/
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noun: whistleblower
a person who informs on a person or organization engaged in an illicit activity.

Umm no. It wasn't illicit until she asked for the information and took it. She's part of the illicit activity. Are you saying she did this intentionally?

She asked for info about her child. She was given info for 35000 children. This isn’t that hard to understand.

Then she shared it with a reporter and The Goldwater Institute. This isn’t that hard to understand.

[Anonymous]

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the practice of saying or implying that a person who has suffered harm or injury is responsible for it, rather than the person who caused the harm or injury

My kids are the victim of Callie. Neither they, or their parents, gave Callie permission to share their data.

She doesn't need permission. Once FCPS mistakenly gave her the documents, she was free to do whatever she wanted with them. She has no legal obligation to protect or not disclose anything. We can argue about morals and ethics all day (or for the 61 pages of this thread) but the law is clear.

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the practice of saying or implying that a person who has suffered harm or injury is responsible for it, rather than the person who caused the harm or injury

My kids are the victim of Callie. Neither they, or their parents, gave Callie permission to share their data.

She doesn't need permission. Once FCPS mistakenly gave her the documents, she was free to do whatever she wanted with them. She has no legal obligation to protect or not disclose anything. We can argue about morals and ethics all day (or for the 61 pages of this thread) but the law is clear.

Thank God there’s at least one other person on this thread with at least a shred of intelligence and common sense. My faith in NoVa parents is restored.

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She doesn't need permission. Once FCPS mistakenly gave her the documents, she was free to do whatever she wanted with them. She has no legal obligation to protect or not disclose anything. We can argue about morals and ethics all day (or for the 61 pages of this thread) but the law is clear.


“Thank God there’s at least one other person on this thread with at least a shred of intelligence and common sense. My faith in NoVa parents is restored.“

What a load of crap. Let’s see how that stands up in court when she gets her ass sued. So if the bank deposits money in my account I can do whatever I like with it? It’s there mistake not mine. You are a piece of work. Bless your heart

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I agree that she hasn’t done anything illegal, but that is a very low bar for moral and ethical behavior. The woman is unhinged and I’d like to see her shamed into stopping her craziness.

I don’t want the result of everyone (including me) being so angry at this woman to be our letting FCPS off the hook. The staff member responsible for this needs to be relieved of her duties. There needs to be a data management planning and oversight committee that includes parents. There needs to be better budgeting for this. And there needs to be a plan in place for accountability moving forward.

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Callie did not have specific authorization for redisclosure of health records.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title32.1/chapter5/section32.1-127.1:03/#:~:text=No%20person%20to%20whom%20health,specific%20authorization%20to%20such%20redisclosure.
No person to whom health records are disclosed shall redisclose or otherwise reveal the health records of an individual, beyond the purpose for which such disclosure was made, without first obtaining the individual's specific authorization to such redisclosure.

[Anonymous]

My haiku:
Callie's watchful eye,
Shielding students from all harm,
Safety blooms with her.

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the practice of saying or implying that a person who has suffered harm or injury is responsible for it, rather than the person who caused the harm or injury

My kids are the victim of Callie. Neither they, or their parents, gave Callie permission to share their data.

Correct you gave fcps permission and fcps gave Callie permission.

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Anonymous wrote:I still would prefer to sue FCPS. Y’all might hate Callie but she is h to e only one shining a light on how terrible special Ed is and how gatehouse is a mess with data and lots of other things- like the whole due process thing where parents never won because the judges were on the FCPS payroll.

Nah, I'd sue Callie. FCPS was dumb in releasing the info and someone needs to get canned. But we wouldn't be here without Callie posting it on the Internet.

And you wouldn't know about the 100s of times a year FCPS accidentally releases your kids information either if Callie wouldn't be making such a big deal about this. FCPS does this ALL the time and never notifies parents. They either pretend it didn't happen, ask for the data back, or (in 99% of the cases) don't know it happened because no one tells them.

By making a big deal about thus, Callie is trying to get FCPS to FINALLY secure our kids data. You all should be thanking her, not suing her.

Don't believe me? Make a FOIA request yourself. FCPS routinely gives the wrong people's data in response. See what you get back.

How about you stop making FOIA requests to a system overburdened with requests from nutjobs like you, so they don't have to frantically work to release massive amounts of data, resulting in this mess? My kid's info wouldn't be out there if it weren't for your profoundly unethical decision to give it to the media instead of returning it to FCPS. The fact that you can't be prosecuted for it doesn't make you any less of a slime.

How about you get a life and a job? Then again, judging from your grammar, requesting donations on your website to mess with FCPS might be your most lucrative opportunity.

Not pp.

People have valid reasons to request information via foia and you are a lousy human being if you discourage parents from examining their children's information. This person you hate was right to make this a big deal of FCPS's failure to safeguard student information. It is a huge deal and that FCPS did it again makes it even worse. Here and there one of you nuts will say "both FCPS and Callie are wrong" but you aren't going after FCPS. Anyone who comments with reason is accused of being Callie. I'm accusing the worst of you of being FCPS lackeys who are upset about the trouble they are in for causing this problem. You know FCPS staff are going to try to smear her.

The whole breach aside, let's just examine the parent examining info issue: From the article I read, I think it said she spent 2-3 full days on site gathering data for this particular request on her children's data--with at least 2 staff people involved. Let's lowball this amount of time for this 1 request then to be 20 hours, so say for 2 people it's 40 work hours. It could be more, but I don't work for FCPS so I don't know. There are 180,000 students in FCPS. If every parent examine all their data that thoroughly and required that much attention-- my calculation is my lowball number would involve 7.2 million staff hours. And that's just for this particular request not for any prior ones made or any preparation needed.

I get that there are important individual parents' rights, but I think there also have to be more reasonable limits on demands for data if we want a functional system. It's just too easy for an individual to undermine the collective good in my opinion. If current law doesn't allow us to put in what we collectively think are reasonable limits, I think the law needs to be changed.

Exactly. Callie and parents/advocates like her waste staff resources and time in so many ways that takes away from quality education for all. Requests for records, requests for multiple IEP meetings per year with lots of professionals and PSL, requests for multiple/repeat assessments, and so on. And the school has to go along or the parent/advocate will file a complaint, sue, or defamate school staff publicly. These parents/advocates create a huge waste of all tax payer dollars for a very small group of students. They take time, money, resources from other students and say they are entitled to things that are way beyond reasonable. Nothing will change until more parents stand up against the unreasonable, exploitive behaviors.

I'm the PP, I am a critic of Oettinger's actions with private data and do NOT agree with your follow-up statement at all. I do NOT agree that parents/advocates who complain, request assessments, data etc. are the problem. Some students' needs are such that they are going to need more services than others. Sometimes they have to fight to get them. I see special education as akin to insurance--most people pay in and don't need much beyond the basics, some need more, and a small few will be much more expensive because they had a much bigger need. But we all benefit from all kids being supported to thrive and by having this safety net in case we do ever need it. I do think we always need to review the laws/policies see if they make sense, fair, are sustainable, adequately funded etc. but it's very easy to tread into not protecting the rights of a minority group. So I think it's essential that the people who are the ones feeling the need to get advocates be very vocal in that policy conversation and comfortable with its outcome.

The focus in this thread should be on what Oettinger did with others' private data without their consent--not any kind of anti-advocacy crap.
I had been wondering why someone interpreted me to be unwell/inflammatory/part of a smear campaign or whatever. I am wondering if now it's because earlier in the thread I wondered whether the leak was made more likely by what seemed to me to be excessive data requests, and
that reading her blog I did feel a lot of compassion for anyone who had to deal with her. But that was because she seemed so antagonistic about her own kids' data/needs and yet so very blind to something as basic that it is wrong to intentionally keep, go through and share other children's private data without consent. That strikes me as a dangerous combination (and why I am especially concerned she has all this data) NOT because she's a strong advocate or that I am against parents/advocates!

I am just really mad at Oettinger's going through and sharing kids' private data without consent and think we need a way to punish/deter that so no one else does this again, regardless of how/where they get the other's private data. I hope this will be resolved somehow. But I've spent too much time on this thread, and I'm signing off.

Wasn't she "antagonistic" about getting her kid's data because the county put up roadblocks? Didn't she have to go to court to get the data? I'm confused by what started this all.

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Anonymous wrote:Callie has tried over and over to get some changes made that would protect our children. FCPS is continually careless and nothing has happened after each mistake. This is a FERPA violation for which FCPS will be punished ….again. They’re already on the radar of Virginia Department of Education and the feds for doing this exact same thing. We wait and watch. Lawyer up again if you want to. Unless you can specifically identify your child in what was posted, I’d save my money. (Doesn’t hurt to call and ask though…and I’m doing that.)

Thanks, Callie

You are an immature child. I am not the pp and I am not Callie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sue the victim; great idea. Not the $3B enterprise ran by weirdos that gives away your student's data with no regard for confidentiality.

It's astounding how obsessed they are with this woman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Movie about Callie's story?
In a surprising turn of events, Lifetime Networks has reportedly reached out to Callie, a courageous woman who stood up against the Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) system, to create a captivating movie based on her inspiring story.

Callie's remarkable journey began when she discovered discrepancies within the FCPS system, leading her to question its policies and practices. With unwavering determination, she fearlessly voiced her concerns, demanding transparency and accountability from the educational institution.

Lifetime Networks, known for producing empowering and thought-provoking content, recognized the significance of Callie's story and its potential to resonate with audiences worldwide. The network believes that her unwavering spirit and dedication to justice make her an ideal candidate for a movie that will inspire and uplift viewers.

The proposed movie will delve into the challenges Callie faced while standing up against FCPS, highlighting her resilience and unwavering commitment to fighting for what she believes in. It aims to shed light on the importance of questioning authority and advocating for change within educational systems.

Sources close to the project reveal that Lifetime Networks is assembling a talented team of writers, directors, and producers to ensure the movie accurately portrays Callie's journey. The network is committed to maintaining the integrity of her story while delivering a compelling narrative that captivates audiences.

While Lifetime Networks and Callie have yet to finalize the details of the movie, early reports suggest that production will commence in the coming months. The network is confident that the film will not only entertain but also inspire viewers to question the status quo and stand up for their beliefs.

As a parent of a child with disabilities who has had to fight my school system I find this post embarrassing. This is typical of the posts I've found on this subject as I've tried to understand what is going on. The level of immaturity and the histrionics in these posts is sad. If there are issues, you aren't the people to help fix them.

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Anonymous wrote:No, she should have deleted it as soon as she realized what it was. Instead she distributed it to others. WTF?

She should not have deleted. She did the right thing by exposing the blatant disregard for student privacy at FCPS. Now the heads need to roll at FCPS administration and the Board for inaction. But whose?

+100

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the practice of saying or implying that a person who has suffered harm or injury is responsible for it, rather than the person who caused the harm or injury

My kids are the victim of Callie. Neither they, or their parents, gave Callie permission to share their data.

Correct you gave fcps permission and fcps gave Callie permission.

Incorrect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FCPS will need to compensate the victims I would recommend suing FCPS as they released the information.

and, of course, everyone understands that one doesn't just sue the school system? It's not like tv.