SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:getting rid of affirmative action is not going to stop white people from thinking people of color are taking their spots. As a black person, I got a 168 on my LSAT. had a 3.8 GPA, worked 4 campus jobs, worked an internship EVERY summer and I still got shady comments from white students how they would be screwed compared to me because they were not minority. As if my qualifications were less. some of the folks saying this didn't even crack 160 or have a 3.5 GPA and barely did 1 internship.

In law school I was in top 8% of my class. but folks swore I was at the bottom taking job offers from y'all. 14 years into my career I'm a partner at a big law firm. Y'all would assume it is only for diversity reasons and overlook all the cases I won, big business I brought in and top billing. It's funny how folks use to clutch their pearls in disbelief that I was in the top 3 producing associates 7 consecutive years. Like it wasn't possible for a black person to do this. no matter what the merits are, white people love to ASSUME that no one else could ever possibly achieve more than them. So even without AA folks will still find a way to complain about people of color taking their jobs or getting into top universities.

I can identify with your story. 20 years ago, I interned for a federal agency in D.C. At the end of the internship, each intern had to present their project to the senior leadership, management and other analyst in the division--about 200 people. I put a lot of thought and prep work into my presentation--as I did throughout my internship. On a Monday morning I was chatting with a colleague (new analyst) that sat in the cubicle across from me. She was a white woman and always pleasant to me. We had our normal "what did you do this weekend" conversation at 8am. I told her I spent the weekend in the office preparing for my presentation and was nervous etc. She said "you'll do fine. besides, it doesn't matter. the federal government needs minorities anyway. you've got the right skin color. so you can fail the presentation. you'll still get a job offer." What a horrible thing to say. She completely ignored my work ethic and the great job I was doing. and it was in that moment that I realized it doesn't matter how hard I work. everyone will assume my success is because of affirmative action. And it was also at that moment I had to learn to let it go because that's heavy mental crap to carry forward. So like the other poster said--I now don't care what people think. anyone who cares can read my stats and know you can't get that by just having a dark skin tone.

That was what Clarence Thomas has been saying in his decisions for years, that affirmative action itself gives a stigma to minorities.

Only a man suffering from a massive I ferioe complex would make this statement. It's mainly white people, and now Asians, who are stigmatizing minorities. Don't blame the victims of the stigma, blame the perpetrator.

The perpetrator is whoever uses affirmative action to let in less deserving blacks.

How do you even know they are "less deserving?" You are not privy to that data or those decisions. And don't peddle your pathetic anecdotes about "well I'm so and so"[/quote

If they weren't letting in lower scoring applicants, they wouldn't need affirmative action to let in more students.

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Anonymous wrote:getting rid of affirmative action is not going to stop white people from thinking people of color are taking their spots. As a black person, I got a 168 on my LSAT. had a 3.8 GPA, worked 4 campus jobs, worked an internship EVERY summer and I still got shady comments from white students how they would be screwed compared to me because they were not minority. As if my qualifications were less. some of the folks saying this didn't even crack 160 or have a 3.5 GPA and barely did 1 internship.

In law school I was in top 8% of my class. but folks swore I was at the bottom taking job offers from y'all. 14 years into my career I'm a partner at a big law firm. Y'all would assume it is only for diversity reasons and overlook all the cases I won, big business I brought in and top billing. It's funny how folks use to clutch their pearls in disbelief that I was in the top 3 producing associates 7 consecutive years. Like it wasn't possible for a black person to do this. no matter what the merits are, white people love to ASSUME that no one else could ever possibly achieve more than them. So even without AA folks will still find a way to complain about people of color taking their jobs or getting into top universities.

I can identify with your story. 20 years ago, I interned for a federal agency in D.C. At the end of the internship, each intern had to present their project to the senior leadership, management and other analyst in the division--about 200 people. I put a lot of thought and prep work into my presentation--as I did throughout my internship. On a Monday morning I was chatting with a colleague (new analyst) that sat in the cubicle across from me. She was a white woman and always pleasant to me. We had our normal "what did you do this weekend" conversation at 8am. I told her I spent the weekend in the office preparing for my presentation and was nervous etc. She said "you'll do fine. besides, it doesn't matter. the federal government needs minorities anyway. you've got the right skin color. so you can fail the presentation. you'll still get a job offer." What a horrible thing to say. She completely ignored my work ethic and the great job I was doing. and it was in that moment that I realized it doesn't matter how hard I work. everyone will assume my success is because of affirmative action. And it was also at that moment I had to learn to let it go because that's heavy mental crap to carry forward. So like the other poster said--I now don't care what people think. anyone who cares can read my stats and know you can't get that by just having a dark skin tone.

That was what Clarence Thomas has been saying in his decisions for years, that affirmative action itself gives a stigma to minorities.

Only a man suffering from a massive I ferioe complex would make this statement. It's mainly white people, and now Asians, who are stigmatizing minorities. Don't blame the victims of the stigma, blame the perpetrator.

The perpetrator is whoever uses affirmative action to let in less deserving blacks.

How do you even know they are "less deserving?" You are not privy to that data or those decisions. And don't peddle your pathetic anecdotes about "well I'm so and so"[/quote

If they weren't letting in lower scoring applicants, they wouldn't need affirmative action to let in more students.

Lower scoring does mean less deserving. Try again.

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Anonymous wrote:What is this affirmative action for white women people are talking about?

Colleges are majority women, and a substantial majority. Some colleges put in quotas for boys.

Colleges are like that now BECAUSE of affirmative action for women over the past 40 years.

No they are like that because more people are going to college, and in high school girls are more likely to appear in the top 60% of students, though maybe less likely to be in the top 25%.
Women were about a third of PHDs 100 years ago.

You statement reflects an incredible amount of ignorance and stupidity about womens history in the U.S. Next you'll be claiming that women always had the right to vote and own property. Do you think women's colleges and historical black colleges were just vanity projects?

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I also don’t get the comments about AA benefiting white women. Is this in government contracts and positions?

For college yes there were women’s colleges but the main reason colleges skew more female now is due to girls getting better grades in school and generally being more involved in school stuff. At some schools you have boys being accepted with lower test scores to keep sexes roughly equal even.

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As a Asian American, I found the revelations regarding Harvard's practices pretty disgusting just systematically giving AA applicants low "personal/leadership" scores. I cant take anyone seriously that condones these kind of practices to boost URM admissions.

I hope they go to a socioeconomic boost to reclaim some of black/hispanic applicants and close the loopholes that allow dumb*** like Jared Kushner entry into Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:No more fake white “Latinos” whose European ancestors moved to South America getting admissions preferences over other similarly white students.

+100000


A truly absurd loophole.

How about the people that are like 1/16 or 1/32 black or hispanic claiming these preferences.

[Anonymous]

Explain this to me... The Obamas rage tweeting about Affirmative Action from a private yacht in the Mediterranean is probably the most out of touch and yet unsurprisingly on-brand thing they've done lately.

We’re supposed to be bickering over stuff while they live in luxury?

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Anonymous wrote:I also don’t get the comments about AA benefiting white women. Is this in government contracts and positions?

For college yes there were women’s colleges but the main reason colleges skew more female now is due to girls getting better grades in school and generally being more involved in school stuff. At some schools you have boys being accepted with lower test scores to keep sexes roughly equal even.

So you're ok with gender based AA but not race?

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Anonymous wrote:What is this affirmative action for white women people are talking about?

Colleges are majority women, and a substantial majority. Some colleges put in quotas for boys.

Colleges are like that now BECAUSE of affirmative action for women over the past 40 years.

No, colleges are like that now because grade, primary, and middle schools have been accommodating teaching styles for girls for decades. Schools teach that boys and men are toxic, and nearly all teachers below 9th grade are all female.

Boys are also pumped full of drugs starting in grade school to try to control their behavior that is just normal for young boys with lots of energy. Folds more boys than girls are pumped with drugs. It affects your cognition and can make you feel lethargic. Let's see how well girls would do learning from all men only from K-8, in an environment designed to teach how boys learn only, where they're taught females are toxic, and also when teachers and school systems demand girls be put on drugs chronically for years because they claim they have behavioral issues.

Classrooms and sitting in seats for hours to listen to a female teacher prattle on about lessons is entirely a female way to learn .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me... The Obamas rage tweeting about Affirmative Action from a private yacht in the Mediterranean is probably the most out of touch and yet unsurprisingly on-brand thing they've done lately.

We’re supposed to be bickering over stuff while they live in luxury?

Because they aren’t greedy a**holes who think only about themselves. They know you guys want to put Blacks and Hispanics and gays back in their place and shut them out and shut them up. Some of you are so crude you don’t hide that intent, but many of you know to use code words and innuendo but you mean the same damn thing. This white backlash shit is not new.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is this affirmative action for white women people are talking about?

Colleges are majority women, and a substantial majority. Some colleges put in quotas for boys.

Colleges are like that now BECAUSE of affirmative action for women over the past 40 years.

No, colleges are like that now because grade, primary, and middle schools have been accommodating teaching styles for girls for decades. Schools teach that boys and men are toxic, and nearly all teachers below 9th grade are all female.

Boys are also pumped full of drugs starting in grade school to try to control their behavior that is just normal for young boys with lots of energy. Folds more boys than girls are pumped with drugs. It affects your cognition and can make you feel lethargic. Let's see how well girls would do learning from all men only from K-8, in an environment designed to teach how boys learn only, where they're taught females are toxic, and also when teachers and school systems demand girls be put on drugs chronically for years because they claim they have behavioral issues.

Classrooms and sitting in seats for hours to listen to a female teacher prattle on about lessons is entirely a female way to learn .

Apparently only Asian boys can sit still and study. All other boys have to fight, play sports, play video games, harass girls, bully each other, and otherwise express their “personalities”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me... The Obamas rage tweeting about Affirmative Action from a private yacht in the Mediterranean is probably the most out of touch and yet unsurprisingly on-brand thing they've done lately.

We’re supposed to be bickering over stuff while they live in luxury?

Because they aren’t greedy a**holes who think only about themselves. They know you guys want to put Blacks and Hispanics and gays back in their place and shut them out and shut them up. Some of you are so crude you don’t hide that intent, but many of you know to use code words and innuendo but you mean the same damn thing. This white backlash shit is not new.

Give me a break about Hispanics. I get the giving of preferences to black and Native American people based on historical wrongs, but what was done to Hispanics in this country? Most of them probably had it better than European immigrants in the early 20th century.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also don’t get the comments about AA benefiting white women. Is this in government contracts and positions?

For college yes there were women’s colleges but the main reason colleges skew more female now is due to girls getting better grades in school and generally being more involved in school stuff. At some schools you have boys being accepted with lower test scores to keep sexes roughly equal even.

1. AA is about opportunities in education and employment for URM AND WOMEM. Everyone focuses in race (thanks GOP and general ignorance) and tries to forget AA was also set up to benefit women. Who benefited the most from AA, white women.
2. You don't seem to know that better grades didn't necessarily mean acceptance to a university, hence the need back then for women's colleges. Same for blacks and other minorities (eg Jews). Things might have changed now but the history of gender and race based exclusion from academic institutions is real.
3. People lost their lives and livelihood so you can sit comfortably in your ignorance of the struggle they went through so you can get that cushy job and admittance to the college of your choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a Asian American, I found the revelations regarding Harvard's practices pretty disgusting just systematically giving AA applicants low "personal/leadership" scores. I cant take anyone seriously that condones these kind of practices to boost URM admissions.

I hope they go to a socioeconomic boost to reclaim some of black/hispanic applicants and close the loopholes that allow dumb*** like Jared Kushner entry into Harvard.

The Kushners of the world will always have a path into Harvard.

But right now almost every kid who gets into Harvard is UMC or rich, including the URMs. Hopefully the changes will allow a higher number of LMC and poorer kids into Harvard. Racial diversity isn’t the only diversity. A white kid and a black kid from Exeter have more in common than a rich white kid from NYC and a poor white kid from a coal mining town. Maybe we’ll actually see more ADOS get into Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me... The Obamas rage tweeting about Affirmative Action from a private yacht in the Mediterranean is probably the most out of touch and yet unsurprisingly on-brand thing they've done lately.

We’re supposed to be bickering over stuff while they live in luxury?

Because they aren’t greedy a**holes who think only about themselves. They know you guys want to put Blacks and Hispanics and gays back in their place and shut them out and shut them up. Some of you are so crude you don’t hide that intent, but many of you know to use code words and innuendo but you mean the same damn thing. This white backlash shit is not new.

Oh wow, tweeting about something really shows that someone is “not a greedy a**hole!”