Woodward HS boundary study - BCC, Blair, Einstein, WJ, Kennedy, Northwood, Wheaton, Whitman impacts

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

The whole point of a consortium is you can balance capacity. All 5 consortia schools are not bursting at the the seams they have mechanisms to balance this out without adding a school, they are just choosing not to do so

By the time Woodward opens, the only DCC school with any capacity will be the expanded Northwood, with 471 seats open. Not nearly enough to account for the overcrowding at Blair (-582 seats), Einstein (-465 seats), and Wheaton (-368 seats). And that doesn't even factor in the projected growth in each school in the years after that.

Woodward is supposed to address adjacent schools like Wheaton and Einstein as much as WJ.

By taking that area from BCC in Kensington and giving it to one of the closer schools they can shift it's boundary east and pick up more from Einstein too. By freeing up more room at Einstein they can shift some seats from Blair boundary and between that and Northwood reduce overcrowding.

The only school closer to the Kensington part of BCC than BCC itself is Einstein. So that won't be a way to free up any room at Einstein.

But Woodward will free up space at Einstein.

In theory. Still waiting for anyone to come up with a plausible scenario that keeps current Einstein walkers as walkers, adds additional walkers to Einstein who are currently bussed elsewhere, and frees up enough space so that everyone will fit inside the building, which as a reminder, has a capacity of only 1602.

You seem quite caught up on protecting Einstein walkers from a change of assignment. No solution is going to be perfect for everyone.

Many of us purposely choose to live in the Einstein catchment and want our kids there. We don't want our kids bussed to Woodward which isn't convenient for drop off/pick up if you have a kid in activities/sports.

Why can’t the Sligo kids go to Woodward? Many are far from Einstein

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

The whole point of a consortium is you can balance capacity. All 5 consortia schools are not bursting at the the seams they have mechanisms to balance this out without adding a school, they are just choosing not to do so

By the time Woodward opens, the only DCC school with any capacity will be the expanded Northwood, with 471 seats open. Not nearly enough to account for the overcrowding at Blair (-582 seats), Einstein (-465 seats), and Wheaton (-368 seats). And that doesn't even factor in the projected growth in each school in the years after that.

Woodward is supposed to address adjacent schools like Wheaton and Einstein as much as WJ.

By taking that area from BCC in Kensington and giving it to one of the closer schools they can shift it's boundary east and pick up more from Einstein too. By freeing up more room at Einstein they can shift some seats from Blair boundary and between that and Northwood reduce overcrowding.

The only school closer to the Kensington part of BCC than BCC itself is Einstein. So that won't be a way to free up any room at Einstein.

But Woodward will free up space at Einstein.

In theory. Still waiting for anyone to come up with a plausible scenario that keeps current Einstein walkers as walkers, adds additional walkers to Einstein who are currently bussed elsewhere, and frees up enough space so that everyone will fit inside the building, which as a reminder, has a capacity of only 1602.

You seem quite caught up on protecting Einstein walkers from a change of assignment. No solution is going to be perfect for everyone.

Many of us purposely choose to live in the Einstein catchment and want our kids there. We don't want our kids bussed to Woodward which isn't convenient for drop off/pick up if you have a kid in activities/sports.

Why can’t the Sligo kids go to Woodward? Many are far from Einstein

Why can't the Takoma Park kids go to Woodward? Many are far from Blair

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

The whole point of a consortium is you can balance capacity. All 5 consortia schools are not bursting at the the seams they have mechanisms to balance this out without adding a school, they are just choosing not to do so

By the time Woodward opens, the only DCC school with any capacity will be the expanded Northwood, with 471 seats open. Not nearly enough to account for the overcrowding at Blair (-582 seats), Einstein (-465 seats), and Wheaton (-368 seats). And that doesn't even factor in the projected growth in each school in the years after that.

Woodward is supposed to address adjacent schools like Wheaton and Einstein as much as WJ.

By taking that area from BCC in Kensington and giving it to one of the closer schools they can shift it's boundary east and pick up more from Einstein too. By freeing up more room at Einstein they can shift some seats from Blair boundary and between that and Northwood reduce overcrowding.

The only school closer to the Kensington part of BCC than BCC itself is Einstein. So that won't be a way to free up any room at Einstein.

But Woodward will free up space at Einstein.

In theory. Still waiting for anyone to come up with a plausible scenario that keeps current Einstein walkers as walkers, adds additional walkers to Einstein who are currently bussed elsewhere, and frees up enough space so that everyone will fit inside the building, which as a reminder, has a capacity of only 1602.

You seem quite caught up on protecting Einstein walkers from a change of assignment. No solution is going to be perfect for everyone.

Not at all. Some Einstein walkers could certainly become Wheaton walkers. But no walker to any school should become a bus rider to another school.

I think split articulation ESs is the way this is going to be handled. Not all of Highland and not all of OTES walks to Einstein (all of Rock View does and I do not see any way in which the feeder actually in Einstein’s neighborhood gets re-zoned). Highland is the only Einstein feeder that could also have walkers to Wheaton, no part of the OTES catchment is walkable to Wheaton. The other option is to take Woodlin or Singer and take their already existing bus ride and just make it a little longer to Woodward or maybe BCC.

Splitting for the DCC HS is not a big deal as the kids have HS choice and some don't even go to their home schools. Singer makes no sense given it's further away from OTES. They pass Einstein to get there.

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

The whole point of a consortium is you can balance capacity. All 5 consortia schools are not bursting at the the seams they have mechanisms to balance this out without adding a school, they are just choosing not to do so

By the time Woodward opens, the only DCC school with any capacity will be the expanded Northwood, with 471 seats open. Not nearly enough to account for the overcrowding at Blair (-582 seats), Einstein (-465 seats), and Wheaton (-368 seats). And that doesn't even factor in the projected growth in each school in the years after that.

Woodward is supposed to address adjacent schools like Wheaton and Einstein as much as WJ.

By taking that area from BCC in Kensington and giving it to one of the closer schools they can shift it's boundary east and pick up more from Einstein too. By freeing up more room at Einstein they can shift some seats from Blair boundary and between that and Northwood reduce overcrowding.

The only school closer to the Kensington part of BCC than BCC itself is Einstein. So that won't be a way to free up any room at Einstein.

But Woodward will free up space at Einstein.

In theory. Still waiting for anyone to come up with a plausible scenario that keeps current Einstein walkers as walkers, adds additional walkers to Einstein who are currently bussed elsewhere, and frees up enough space so that everyone will fit inside the building, which as a reminder, has a capacity of only 1602.

You seem quite caught up on protecting Einstein walkers from a change of assignment. No solution is going to be perfect for everyone.

Not at all. Some Einstein walkers could certainly become Wheaton walkers. But no walker to any school should become a bus rider to another school.

I think split articulation ESs is the way this is going to be handled. Not all of Highland and not all of OTES walks to Einstein (all of Rock View does and I do not see any way in which the feeder actually in Einstein’s neighborhood gets re-zoned). Highland is the only Einstein feeder that could also have walkers to Wheaton, no part of the OTES catchment is walkable to Wheaton. The other option is to take Woodlin or Singer and take their already existing bus ride and just make it a little longer to Woodward or maybe BCC.

Wheaton is overcrowded.

Right, but given that Wheaton has the feeders that are closest to Woodward I think it’s fair to say that at least some of its students will be moved to Woodward.

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

The whole point of a consortium is you can balance capacity. All 5 consortia schools are not bursting at the the seams they have mechanisms to balance this out without adding a school, they are just choosing not to do so

By the time Woodward opens, the only DCC school with any capacity will be the expanded Northwood, with 471 seats open. Not nearly enough to account for the overcrowding at Blair (-582 seats), Einstein (-465 seats), and Wheaton (-368 seats). And that doesn't even factor in the projected growth in each school in the years after that.

Woodward is supposed to address adjacent schools like Wheaton and Einstein as much as WJ.

By taking that area from BCC in Kensington and giving it to one of the closer schools they can shift it's boundary east and pick up more from Einstein too. By freeing up more room at Einstein they can shift some seats from Blair boundary and between that and Northwood reduce overcrowding.

The only school closer to the Kensington part of BCC than BCC itself is Einstein. So that won't be a way to free up any room at Einstein.

But Woodward will free up space at Einstein.

In theory. Still waiting for anyone to come up with a plausible scenario that keeps current Einstein walkers as walkers, adds additional walkers to Einstein who are currently bussed elsewhere, and frees up enough space so that everyone will fit inside the building, which as a reminder, has a capacity of only 1602.

You seem quite caught up on protecting Einstein walkers from a change of assignment. No solution is going to be perfect for everyone.

Not at all. Some Einstein walkers could certainly become Wheaton walkers. But no walker to any school should become a bus rider to another school.

I think split articulation ESs is the way this is going to be handled. Not all of Highland and not all of OTES walks to Einstein (all of Rock View does and I do not see any way in which the feeder actually in Einstein’s neighborhood gets re-zoned). Highland is the only Einstein feeder that could also have walkers to Wheaton, no part of the OTES catchment is walkable to Wheaton. The other option is to take Woodlin or Singer and take their already existing bus ride and just make it a little longer to Woodward or maybe BCC.

Splitting for the DCC HS is not a big deal as the kids have HS choice and some don't even go to their home schools. Singer makes no sense given it's further away from OTES. They pass Einstein to get there.

We don't know that Woodward will be part of the DCC.

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

The whole point of a consortium is you can balance capacity. All 5 consortia schools are not bursting at the the seams they have mechanisms to balance this out without adding a school, they are just choosing not to do so

By the time Woodward opens, the only DCC school with any capacity will be the expanded Northwood, with 471 seats open. Not nearly enough to account for the overcrowding at Blair (-582 seats), Einstein (-465 seats), and Wheaton (-368 seats). And that doesn't even factor in the projected growth in each school in the years after that.

Woodward is supposed to address adjacent schools like Wheaton and Einstein as much as WJ.

By taking that area from BCC in Kensington and giving it to one of the closer schools they can shift it's boundary east and pick up more from Einstein too. By freeing up more room at Einstein they can shift some seats from Blair boundary and between that and Northwood reduce overcrowding.

The only school closer to the Kensington part of BCC than BCC itself is Einstein. So that won't be a way to free up any room at Einstein.

But Woodward will free up space at Einstein.

In theory. Still waiting for anyone to come up with a plausible scenario that keeps current Einstein walkers as walkers, adds additional walkers to Einstein who are currently bussed elsewhere, and frees up enough space so that everyone will fit inside the building, which as a reminder, has a capacity of only 1602.

You seem quite caught up on protecting Einstein walkers from a change of assignment. No solution is going to be perfect for everyone.

Not at all. Some Einstein walkers could certainly become Wheaton walkers. But no walker to any school should become a bus rider to another school.

I think split articulation ESs is the way this is going to be handled. Not all of Highland and not all of OTES walks to Einstein (all of Rock View does and I do not see any way in which the feeder actually in Einstein’s neighborhood gets re-zoned). Highland is the only Einstein feeder that could also have walkers to Wheaton, no part of the OTES catchment is walkable to Wheaton. The other option is to take Woodlin or Singer and take their already existing bus ride and just make it a little longer to Woodward or maybe BCC.

Splitting for the DCC HS is not a big deal as the kids have HS choice and some don't even go to their home schools. Singer makes no sense given it's further away from OTES. They pass Einstein to get there.

The reality is there are 5 feeders to Einstein, and at least 1 and probably parts of others will be rezoned because of the overcrowding. Rock View is a lock to remain there (the people suggesting it could be sent to Woodward must not be familiar with where it is located in relation to Einstein, and that every one of its students is an Einstein walker). The other 4 all have pros and cons for why why they should/shouldn’t be re-zoned. I agree that Singer is far from Woodward, but those kids are already bussed, whereas if you wholesale moved Highland or OTES you would be turning some walkers into bus riders, which MCPS claims to be trying to avoid.

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But rock view people would like to be moved to Woodward. They’d have access to a brand new school with a rich well educated population, and their homes would increase in value dramatically (6figures based on the redistricting) this is all about money, it will guide everyone’s interests

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Anonymous wrote:But rock view people would like to be moved to Woodward. They’d have access to a brand new school with a rich well educated population, and their homes would increase in value dramatically (6figures based on the redistricting) this is all about money, it will guide everyone’s interests

I have never heard any Rock View parent express a desire to have their kids bussed away from the school that is a stone’s throw from their house.

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Anonymous wrote:But rock view people would like to be moved to Woodward. They’d have access to a brand new school with a rich well educated population, and their homes would increase in value dramatically (6figures based on the redistricting) this is all about money, it will guide everyone’s interests

I am a rock view parent and would fight against being moved. I want Einstein - that’s why I bought this house. I don’t want my kids to have to take a bus to HS, nor do I want to try an untested school.

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They should send Highland to Woodward. It’s an easy bus ride down Randolph and would increase equity. That frees up space at Einstein. Then they should move the Woodmoor neighborhood to Northwood. It’s also an easy bus ride and would increase equity (for opposite reasons) and that would free up space at Blair. The rest of Woodward could be filled with more western schools with overcapacity issues but I don’t know those neighborhoods as well.

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

The whole point of a consortium is you can balance capacity. All 5 consortia schools are not bursting at the the seams they have mechanisms to balance this out without adding a school, they are just choosing not to do so

By the time Woodward opens, the only DCC school with any capacity will be the expanded Northwood, with 471 seats open. Not nearly enough to account for the overcrowding at Blair (-582 seats), Einstein (-465 seats), and Wheaton (-368 seats). And that doesn't even factor in the projected growth in each school in the years after that.

Woodward is supposed to address adjacent schools like Wheaton and Einstein as much as WJ.

By taking that area from BCC in Kensington and giving it to one of the closer schools they can shift it's boundary east and pick up more from Einstein too. By freeing up more room at Einstein they can shift some seats from Blair boundary and between that and Northwood reduce overcrowding.

This fixes everything! +100

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Anonymous wrote:They should send Highland to Woodward. It’s an easy bus ride down Randolph and would increase equity. That frees up space at Einstein. Then they should move the Woodmoor neighborhood to Northwood. It’s also an easy bus ride and would increase equity (for opposite reasons) and that would free up space at Blair. The rest of Woodward could be filled with more western schools with overcapacity issues but I don’t know those neighborhoods as well.

Highland is walking distance to two different high schools. Why would they bus them to a third school?

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

The whole point of a consortium is you can balance capacity. All 5 consortia schools are not bursting at the the seams they have mechanisms to balance this out without adding a school, they are just choosing not to do so

By the time Woodward opens, the only DCC school with any capacity will be the expanded Northwood, with 471 seats open. Not nearly enough to account for the overcrowding at Blair (-582 seats), Einstein (-465 seats), and Wheaton (-368 seats). And that doesn't even factor in the projected growth in each school in the years after that.

Woodward is supposed to address adjacent schools like Wheaton and Einstein as much as WJ.

By taking that area from BCC in Kensington and giving it to one of the closer schools they can shift it's boundary east and pick up more from Einstein too. By freeing up more room at Einstein they can shift some seats from Blair boundary and between that and Northwood reduce overcrowding.

The only school closer to the Kensington part of BCC than BCC itself is Einstein. So that won't be a way to free up any room at Einstein.

But Woodward will free up space at Einstein.

In theory. Still waiting for anyone to come up with a plausible scenario that keeps current Einstein walkers as walkers, adds additional walkers to Einstein who are currently bussed elsewhere, and frees up enough space so that everyone will fit inside the building, which as a reminder, has a capacity of only 1602.

You seem quite caught up on protecting Einstein walkers from a change of assignment. No solution is going to be perfect for everyone.

Many of us purposely choose to live in the Einstein catchment and want our kids there. We don't want our kids bussed to Woodward which isn't convenient for drop off/pick up if you have a kid in activities/sports.

Why can’t the Sligo kids go to Woodward? Many are far from Einstein

Why can't the Takoma Park kids go to Woodward? Many are far from Blair

I thought we were talking about Einstein walkers.

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Anonymous wrote:They should send Highland to Woodward. It’s an easy bus ride down Randolph and would increase equity. That frees up space at Einstein. Then they should move the Woodmoor neighborhood to Northwood. It’s also an easy bus ride and would increase equity (for opposite reasons) and that would free up space at Blair. The rest of Woodward could be filled with more western schools with overcapacity issues but I don’t know those neighborhoods as well.

Aside from that Highland is walk zone to two high schools, there is no such thing as an "easy" drive down Randolph, even without the MCPS policy that school buses are forbidden from crossing mainline railroad tracks at grade.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/rules/riding

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

The whole point of a consortium is you can balance capacity. All 5 consortia schools are not bursting at the the seams they have mechanisms to balance this out without adding a school, they are just choosing not to do so

By the time Woodward opens, the only DCC school with any capacity will be the expanded Northwood, with 471 seats open. Not nearly enough to account for the overcrowding at Blair (-582 seats), Einstein (-465 seats), and Wheaton (-368 seats). And that doesn't even factor in the projected growth in each school in the years after that.

Woodward is supposed to address adjacent schools like Wheaton and Einstein as much as WJ.

By taking that area from BCC in Kensington and giving it to one of the closer schools they can shift it's boundary east and pick up more from Einstein too. By freeing up more room at Einstein they can shift some seats from Blair boundary and between that and Northwood reduce overcrowding.

The only school closer to the Kensington part of BCC than BCC itself is Einstein. So that won't be a way to free up any room at Einstein.

But Woodward will free up space at Einstein.

In theory. Still waiting for anyone to come up with a plausible scenario that keeps current Einstein walkers as walkers, adds additional walkers to Einstein who are currently bussed elsewhere, and frees up enough space so that everyone will fit inside the building, which as a reminder, has a capacity of only 1602.

You seem quite caught up on protecting Einstein walkers from a change of assignment. No solution is going to be perfect for everyone.

Many of us purposely choose to live in the Einstein catchment and want our kids there. We don't want our kids bussed to Woodward which isn't convenient for drop off/pick up if you have a kid in activities/sports.

Why can’t the Sligo kids go to Woodward? Many are far from Einstein

Why can't the Takoma Park kids go to Woodward? Many are far from Blair

I thought we were talking about Einstein walkers.

True, but Blair's boundary is based on its original location in downtown Silver Spring.