Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)

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Anonymous wrote:Clancy has my sympathy. She is a Labor & Delivery RN now midwife in 5 days a week outpatient treatment for postpartum depression—she was trying mightily to help herself as was her husband. Sounds like crossover to postpartum psychosis—she will be heartbroken at what she did under SEVERE mental illness. My sympathies to her children deceased, her infant, her husband and yes to her. A nightmare.

I have sympathy and she tried to off herself as well. I think Yates killed her kids and didn’t do anything to herself. But..I believe this post partum psychosis is real. She is going to have to live with this forever. The sad thing is I think a lot of this is tied to lack of sleep and so many people judge if a new mom wants help. I remember I got a lot of judgement for having a night nanny. Luckily I have a great husband who basically told me to put myself first and I did. Without sleep and without an opportunity to exercise or meet with a friend then a severe depression and can develop. It seems like her husband tried and maybe things went sideways with all the meds. Seraqual is a really powerful drug and cannot believe she was on that with others. Maybe the best thing in retrospect would have been inpatient treatment. Anyway new parents should really prioritize sleep and well being. The best thing you can do for a new mom is offer to watch the baby’s so they can nap or offer to take their other kids (if they have them) out so less chaos in the house.

And maybe don’t have three kids in less than five years. Even though posters will jump on here to claim that their mom had 8 kids and didn’t kill any of them! Still, 3 kids under five in this day and age is bananas. And she wasn’t even old or facing a biological clock. What is the rush? The third clearly out her over the edge because she was seemingly ok with the first two.

So, forced abortions like in China?

You are intentionally being obtuse to PP's point, which I admit wasn't artfully made. But no, PP likely wasn't advocating for forced abortions. For a woman like Clancy--who is among the luckiest of us by having access to more knowledge, money, family/friends, and institutional support than the majority of new mothers--I think it isn't unfair to wonder why she would have so many children so closely given the difficulties she had adjusting to motherhood.

She had the kids because she wanted to them show off and brag about her easy pregnancies and brag about how fertile she is, this is an actual thing. It’s sick. She didn’t think it through, like this is a lifelong commitment, it’s quite messy and not at all glamorous. The babies were all for show, many people are doing this now, having prop babies and pets.

Or maybe she's.... Catholic

Isn’t that kind of old school? Like a woman becoming a nun? Who the hell becomes a nun anymore or a priest for that matter. Get w the times, Catholics use birth control now.

No, practicing Catholics do not. But I'm not that sure they were fully practicing. I've read news stories where their parish priest mentions that he didn't know the Clancys, which tells me they probably didn't go to mass regularly or participate in church ministries/activities.

This is simply not true. American Catholics routinely use birth control and are equally represented in the population of women who get abortions, too. American PRACTICING Catholics. This is a well documented researched phenomenon so I recommend you do some research before asserting inaccuracies.

I recommend YOU do some basic research before asserting inaccuracies.

https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2012/02/guttmacher-statistic-catholic-womens-contraceptive-use

They are not following the tenants of the religion and therefore are not PRACTICING.

No one actually cares and this isn’t relevant to the case at hand.

Tell that to the person (you?) that insists the Clancys wanted multiple kids in close succession because they are Catholic.

Definitely not me. I just want to get back to discussing her instead of the definition of a practicing Catholic.

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Her character is not really relevant. Did she know what she was doing would kill them? I think the answer is yes. Since all of her outward behavior to others showed a lot of improvment, we really only have her word that she was experiencing new symptoms.

Suicidal people often seem improved to others right before they attempt.

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Anonymous wrote:Clancy has my sympathy. She is a Labor & Delivery RN now midwife in 5 days a week outpatient treatment for postpartum depression—she was trying mightily to help herself as was her husband. Sounds like crossover to postpartum psychosis—she will be heartbroken at what she did under SEVERE mental illness. My sympathies to her children deceased, her infant, her husband and yes to her. A nightmare.

I have sympathy and she tried to off herself as well. I think Yates killed her kids and didn’t do anything to herself. But..I believe this post partum psychosis is real. She is going to have to live with this forever. The sad thing is I think a lot of this is tied to lack of sleep and so many people judge if a new mom wants help. I remember I got a lot of judgement for having a night nanny. Luckily I have a great husband who basically told me to put myself first and I did. Without sleep and without an opportunity to exercise or meet with a friend then a severe depression and can develop. It seems like her husband tried and maybe things went sideways with all the meds. Seraqual is a really powerful drug and cannot believe she was on that with others. Maybe the best thing in retrospect would have been inpatient treatment. Anyway new parents should really prioritize sleep and well being. The best thing you can do for a new mom is offer to watch the baby’s so they can nap or offer to take their other kids (if they have them) out so less chaos in the house.

And maybe don’t have three kids in less than five years. Even though posters will jump on here to claim that their mom had 8 kids and didn’t kill any of them! Still, 3 kids under five in this day and age is bananas. And she wasn’t even old or facing a biological clock. What is the rush? The third clearly out her over the edge because she was seemingly ok with the first two.

So, forced abortions like in China?

You are intentionally being obtuse to PP's point, which I admit wasn't artfully made. But no, PP likely wasn't advocating for forced abortions. For a woman like Clancy--who is among the luckiest of us by having access to more knowledge, money, family/friends, and institutional support than the majority of new mothers--I think it isn't unfair to wonder why she would have so many children so closely given the difficulties she had adjusting to motherhood.

She had the kids because she wanted to them show off and brag about her easy pregnancies and brag about how fertile she is, this is an actual thing. It’s sick. She didn’t think it through, like this is a lifelong commitment, it’s quite messy and not at all glamorous. The babies were all for show, many people are doing this now, having prop babies and pets.

Or maybe she's.... Catholic

Isn’t that kind of old school? Like a woman becoming a nun? Who the hell becomes a nun anymore or a priest for that matter. Get w the times, Catholics use birth control now.

No, practicing Catholics do not. But I'm not that sure they were fully practicing. I've read news stories where their parish priest mentions that he didn't know the Clancys, which tells me they probably didn't go to mass regularly or participate in church ministries/activities.

This is simply not true. American Catholics routinely use birth control and are equally represented in the population of women who get abortions, too. American PRACTICING Catholics. This is a well documented researched phenomenon so I recommend you do some research before asserting inaccuracies.

I recommend YOU do some basic research before asserting inaccuracies.

https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2012/02/guttmacher-statistic-catholic-womens-contraceptive-use

They are not following the tenants of the religion and therefore are not PRACTICING.

No one actually cares and this isn’t relevant to the case at hand.

Tell that to the person (you?) that insists the Clancys wanted multiple kids in close succession because they are Catholic.

Definitely not me. I just want to get back to discussing her instead of the definition of a practicing Catholic.

Well then address the person who brought up Catholicism, not me.

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It needs to be made a lot easier to put kids up for adoption.

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Anonymous wrote:It needs to be made a lot easier to put kids up for adoption.

She wouldn't have done that.

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Her character is not really relevant. Did she know what she was doing would kill them? I think the answer is yes. Since all of her outward behavior to others showed a lot of improvment, we really only have her word that she was experiencing new symptoms.

Suicidal people often seem improved to others right before they attempt.

So what? Being suicidal is not a defense for murder.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like members of Lindsay’s Army of love are here and passionately defending a child murderer. Babies and children can be slaughtered but the opportunity to defend a homely, white, professionally unaccomplished, pill popping and attention seeking failure must never be squandered. The projection is real.

Precisely and they aren't letting go of the PPD defense either

Her friends and husband have attested to her loving, generous nature. You people deciding she's evil are bizarre. She was on an insane cocktail of heavy-duty meds, at least eight of them and had sought treatment for severe PPD of her own accord. None of this syncs with an evil act, but rather a tragic breakdown. How about you let those who actually know her decide what they think about her character, and the forensic psychiatrist and toxicologist evaluating her determine her mental state at the time of her horrible act.

People like you are bizarre to me. “None of this syncs with an evil act?” You don’t think methodically strangling three small children is an evil act? What kind of morally bankrupt person are you? And you know narcissists and people with various personality disorders often hide their true nature from their own families right, until they slip up and reveal their true colors like Chris Watts did? By all accounts, he was a doting father and good husband until he killed his family and all sorts of unsavory details came out after.

Even if LC had PPP, how would that make her homicidal? Disconnected from reality and suicide attempt because she’s psychotic and doesn’t realize the danger to herself makes sense but slowly choking the life out of her kids one by one until they’re dead is a very intentional act of murder. And are you people seriously claiming the meds made her homicidal? No, she had been quietly resenting these children for ruining her life and had murderous thoughts before this happened. Maybe she took meds to stop these abnormal thoughts but they didn’t work and she finally gave into her murderous impulses.

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Anonymous wrote:Clancy has my sympathy. She is a Labor & Delivery RN now midwife in 5 days a week outpatient treatment for postpartum depression—she was trying mightily to help herself as was her husband. Sounds like crossover to postpartum psychosis—she will be heartbroken at what she did under SEVERE mental illness. My sympathies to her children deceased, her infant, her husband and yes to her. A nightmare.

I have sympathy and she tried to off herself as well. I think Yates killed her kids and didn’t do anything to herself. But..I believe this post partum psychosis is real. She is going to have to live with this forever. The sad thing is I think a lot of this is tied to lack of sleep and so many people judge if a new mom wants help. I remember I got a lot of judgement for having a night nanny. Luckily I have a great husband who basically told me to put myself first and I did. Without sleep and without an opportunity to exercise or meet with a friend then a severe depression and can develop. It seems like her husband tried and maybe things went sideways with all the meds. Seraqual is a really powerful drug and cannot believe she was on that with others. Maybe the best thing in retrospect would have been inpatient treatment. Anyway new parents should really prioritize sleep and well being. The best thing you can do for a new mom is offer to watch the baby’s so they can nap or offer to take their other kids (if they have them) out so less chaos in the house.

And maybe don’t have three kids in less than five years. Even though posters will jump on here to claim that their mom had 8 kids and didn’t kill any of them! Still, 3 kids under five in this day and age is bananas. And she wasn’t even old or facing a biological clock. What is the rush? The third clearly out her over the edge because she was seemingly ok with the first two.

So, forced abortions like in China?

You are intentionally being obtuse to PP's point, which I admit wasn't artfully made. But no, PP likely wasn't advocating for forced abortions. For a woman like Clancy--who is among the luckiest of us by having access to more knowledge, money, family/friends, and institutional support than the majority of new mothers--I think it isn't unfair to wonder why she would have so many children so closely given the difficulties she had adjusting to motherhood.

She had the kids because she wanted to them show off and brag about her easy pregnancies and brag about how fertile she is, this is an actual thing. It’s sick. She didn’t think it through, like this is a lifelong commitment, it’s quite messy and not at all glamorous. The babies were all for show, many people are doing this now, having prop babies and pets.

Or maybe she's.... Catholic

Isn’t that kind of old school? Like a woman becoming a nun? Who the hell becomes a nun anymore or a priest for that matter. Get w the times, Catholics use birth control now.

No, practicing Catholics do not. But I'm not that sure they were fully practicing. I've read news stories where their parish priest mentions that he didn't know the Clancys, which tells me they probably didn't go to mass regularly or participate in church ministries/activities.

This is simply not true. American Catholics routinely use birth control and are equally represented in the population of women who get abortions, too. American PRACTICING Catholics. This is a well documented researched phenomenon so I recommend you do some research before asserting inaccuracies.

I recommend YOU do some basic research before asserting inaccuracies.

https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2012/02/guttmacher-statistic-catholic-womens-contraceptive-use

They are not following the tenants of the religion and therefore are not PRACTICING.

No one actually cares and this isn’t relevant to the case at hand.

Tell that to the person (you?) that insists the Clancys wanted multiple kids in close succession because they are Catholic.

Definitely not me. I just want to get back to discussing her instead of the definition of a practicing Catholic.

Well then address the person who brought up Catholicism, not me.

I am Cathoilc and have been from birth. I have never felt a push to have multiple kids, close together. That belief is outdated.

A push to having kids and to be open to having them, yes. But not the amount or the spacing.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not going to pretend that my take is right, but this case is on a lot of peoples minds, including mine.

From what I’ve read, she was an intense perfectionist who was doing intense workouts while pregnant and “laser focusing on proper nutrition.” She resented her older two according to her diaries for taking her focus from the baby. And she snapped and decided they were better off dead than living an imperfect reality. I don’t know if that’s insanity or not.

But the doors of hell are locked from the inside.

These boards are very eye opening. Never in my life have I met anyone who’d talk about the doors of hell and how they’re locked from the inside. Truly weird people exist here on this board - who actually believe in hell?!?

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Her character is not really relevant. Did she know what she was doing would kill them? I think the answer is yes. Since all of her outward behavior to others showed a lot of improvment, we really only have her word that she was experiencing new symptoms.

Suicidal people often seem improved to others right before they attempt.

So what? Being suicidal is not a defense for murder.

Of course not. That’s why I didn’t say that. The PP was saying she seemed improved to others, so we can’t trust her word on symptoms. However, I explained, people can be very ill, even suicidal, and seem fine to others. Mental illness is in large part diagnosed by what people report is going on inside their heads,

I think this is murder, but I won’t be surprised if there turns out to be some mental illness that factored into it.

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If she was thinking rationally at the time and is just an evil person who wanted to kill her kids, why would she do it in such an obvious way? It doesn't make any sense. She could have made it look like an accident or framed someone or at a minimum hidden the bodies and tried to flee. Instead she left the bodies and murder weapons there with her fingerprints all over them and jumped out a second-story window severely injuring herself.

She had a psychotic break.

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Anonymous wrote:If she was thinking rationally at the time and is just an evil person who wanted to kill her kids, why would she do it in such an obvious way? It doesn't make any sense. She could have made it look like an accident or framed someone or at a minimum hidden the bodies and tried to flee. Instead she left the bodies and murder weapons there with her fingerprints all over them and jumped out a second-story window severely injuring herself.

She had a psychotic break.

Apparently lots of killers do.

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Anonymous wrote:It needs to be made a lot easier to put kids up for adoption.

Or temporary foster care

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Anonymous wrote:So, if they’d had a firearm in the house and she had successfully killed herself, would all the hateful posters here believe she was seriously mentally ill?

She was in treatment for severe post partum depression. She was on over a dozen psych meds. I cannot fathom the comments here questioning her diagnosis. Do you think it was all an elaborate six month long ruse to set up a defense for intentionally murdering her children and destroying her life?


I believe the nasty posts here are just reflecting fear. You folks are terrified by the reality of mental illness. You are terrified by the truth that brains can break just like bones and sometimes the breaking results in horror. You’re worried you’ll end up in a Dateline episode when something horrifying happens to you. Hope your kids don’t join the millions of American children struggling with mental illness. But maybe then you’d develop compassion.

The majority of people with mental illness don’t murder their own kids. Stop trying to make this about mental illness. She’s an evil murdered. She’s not any more or less mentally ill than other murderers.

+1,000,000

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According to her new lawyer, she was on a dozen medications at the time of the incident and the husband had told doctors she was “turning into a zombie.” You all still think he should have gone out?

Post partum depression leading to psychotic symptoms and homicide/suicide is exceedingly rare. Nobody ever thinks in advance it will be them or their loved one. The Andrea Yates case was so extreme precisely because she had suffered from it previously, was hospitalized repeatedly and warned to never have another pregnancy. The red flags were abundant that she would kill her children and Rusty should really have been prosecuted and imprisoned for the child endangering he engaged in by leaving Andrea alone with their kids.

But even if he didn't know she would kill them, he thought it was cool to leave them with a "zombie" (his words)? We are talking about a crawling baby and a 3 year old boy, in addition to the 5 year old daughter. Do you remember what its like to have a 3 year old?

And all for some stupid takeout.

He didn't kill his children by getting takeout.

No ****, Sherlock. He left his defenseless BABY and small children with a mother who he knew was unstable, in (failed) treatment on an entire pharmacy’s worth of psych meds for some stupid takeout.

But then, you already knew that.

Anything to excuse the white lady always someone else

Oh, GFY. I’m not excusing her whatsoever. She did it. I hope she rots in jail.

Her husband was still stupid.