Does DCPS care? New model shows even with masks, 40% of students will still be infected with Delta

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Is there an agreed upon definition of long COVID yet? The last I read there wasn’t one, making discussion and diagnosis complicated.

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I guess op is implying that we should just give up on school forever because after delta there will be another variant and another and another ad infinitum.

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Anonymous wrote:Where even did the 1 in 22 number come from? I don't see it in here.

4.4%=1/22.5

I think it was about 5% of kids have symptoms over 28 days = 1 in 20. Percentage for young kids was lower, maybe 3% (e.g., kids too young for vaccine). Symptoms over 56 days was 1.8%.

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Anonymous wrote:Where even did the 1 in 22 number come from? I don't see it in here.

4.4%=1/22.5

I think it was about 5% of kids have symptoms over 28 days = 1 in 20. Percentage for young kids was lower, maybe 3% (e.g., kids too young for vaccine). Symptoms over 56 days was 1.8%.

I’d love to see the equivalent statistics for the percentage of young children who display symptoms for the common cold after 1 month.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an agreed upon definition of long COVID yet? The last I read there wasn’t one, making discussion and diagnosis complicated.

Lots of kid-focused info here:
https://www.longcovidkids.org

UK NHS presumably adult-focused here:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/long-term-effects-of-coronavirus-long-covid/

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I remember some serious mitigation measures at sleep away camp when a camper was diagnosed with chicken pox a couple of days into it in the mid-80ies. Those were not parties. They took it extremely seriously, but that was forty years ago. They didn't need to do 1917-type masking because it wasn't a deadly pandemic, but they didn't have access to the rapid tests and abundance of masks we have in 2021. There is no excuse for this.

This is not a "deadly pandemic" for the under 12s.

If I had just written "they didn't have access to the abundance of masks we have in 2021", I'm pretty sure the tit-for-tat snarky retort would have been "Well in 1917 they figured out a way to mask up."

It's just a fact that it isn't.

Right.
Yet, it's enough of a health risk to unvaccinated children and society at large that masks in school mostly mandated. School mask mandates are necessary but not sufficient, hence OP's alarm.

No, it’s a large enough health risk to ONLY society at large, specifically the segment of society that is choosing not to protect themselves (immune compromised aside, sorry y’all). I could not care less anymore about that segment of society, but particularly when they force children to shoulder the burden of their selfish choices.

This is where you lose me. Doctors and scientists are sounding the alarm on Delta in children. The latest stats are 1 in 22 children infected have long term symptoms. That’s very concerning, when you are talking about a highly transmissible virus. We should be working together to pressure DCPS to implement every mitigation strategy possible. Pretending children are not at risk is foolish.

That makes no sense. Delta hasnt been around long enough for there to be any data on long term impact.

Correct. All we know is that it appears to be making kids sicker and requiring more hospitalizations, per reports of doctors in high spread areas.

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I remember some serious mitigation measures at sleep away camp when a camper was diagnosed with chicken pox a couple of days into it in the mid-80ies. Those were not parties. They took it extremely seriously, but that was forty years ago. They didn't need to do 1917-type masking because it wasn't a deadly pandemic, but they didn't have access to the rapid tests and abundance of masks we have in 2021. There is no excuse for this.

This is not a "deadly pandemic" for the under 12s.

If I had just written "they didn't have access to the abundance of masks we have in 2021", I'm pretty sure the tit-for-tat snarky retort would have been "Well in 1917 they figured out a way to mask up."

It's just a fact that it isn't.

Right.
Yet, it's enough of a health risk to unvaccinated children and society at large that masks in school mostly mandated. School mask mandates are necessary but not sufficient, hence OP's alarm.

No, it’s a large enough health risk to ONLY society at large, specifically the segment of society that is choosing not to protect themselves (immune compromised aside, sorry y’all). I could not care less anymore about that segment of society, but particularly when they force children to shoulder the burden of their selfish choices.

This is where you lose me. Doctors and scientists are sounding the alarm on Delta in children. The latest stats are 1 in 22 children infected have long term symptoms. That’s very concerning, when you are talking about a highly transmissible virus. We should be working together to pressure DCPS to implement every mitigation strategy possible. Pretending children are not at risk is foolish.

That makes no sense. Delta hasn't been around long enough for there to be any data on long term impact.

I'm the 17.07 PP ("right"), not the Lancet study poster. Thanks for posting it!

The Lancet paper is causing consternation, because people/journalists read the conclusion and say "yay, no big deal", and experts read the numbers and say it's very bad. One in 22 kids having symptoms for over 4 weeks and one in 50 kids having symptoms for over 6-8 weeks, is a huge number of children.

Delta is vastly more infectious, and it's suspected of being twice as virulent. We have no reason to believe the 'likely twice as virulent" wouldn't apply to children.

Long-covid, meanwhile, has shown to occur after cases ranging from hospitalized to cold-like very mild. Regardless, it would be extremely unlikely that (and totally unreasonable to assume) that the occurrence of long-covid would be lower, or much different in delta than in the original or the alpha variant versions of the virus.

And if you say "5 weeks of symptoms is not the lifelong disease you're being hysterical about", consider that the UK currently has 33,000 children with long-covid and the UK has had to set up over 100 long covid clinics for adults and children suffering from long covid. That represents more than the 4.4 % number in the Lancet paper.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/11/their-childhood-has-been-stolen-calls-for-action-to-tackle-long-covid

Fran Simpson of Long Covid Kids said: “Children who’ve got long covid – it’s completely destroyed their lives for some of them. They’ve gone from being children going to school, seeing their friends, having hobbies, to not being able to school. Some are not well enough to walk – they’re using wheelchairs. Others are not eating properly because of the impact on taste and smell. It feels like they’ve had their childhood stolen.”

About 7% to 9% of children who become infected with covid go on to develop some long-Covid symptoms, according to Office for National Statistics data.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2021/06/nhs-sets-up-specialist-young-peoples-services-in-100-million-long-covid-care-expansion/
Announced mid-June 2021:

The NHS is setting up specialist long COVID services for children and young people as part of a £100 million expansion of care for those suffering from the condition.

The 15 new paediatric hubs will draw together experts on common symptoms such as respiratory problems and fatigue who can directly treat youngsters, advise family doctors or others caring for them or refer them into other specialist services and clinics.

Some pediatric hospitals in the US South have started to set up pediatric long covid clinics as well, although I haven't come across much data on pediatric long-covid here.

Thanks for these links.

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I remember some serious mitigation measures at sleep away camp when a camper was diagnosed with chicken pox a couple of days into it in the mid-80ies. Those were not parties. They took it extremely seriously, but that was forty years ago. They didn't need to do 1917-type masking because it wasn't a deadly pandemic, but they didn't have access to the rapid tests and abundance of masks we have in 2021. There is no excuse for this.

This is not a "deadly pandemic" for the under 12s.

If I had just written "they didn't have access to the abundance of masks we have in 2021", I'm pretty sure the tit-for-tat snarky retort would have been "Well in 1917 they figured out a way to mask up."

It's just a fact that it isn't.

Right.
Yet, it's enough of a health risk to unvaccinated children and society at large that masks in school mostly mandated. School mask mandates are necessary but not sufficient, hence OP's alarm.

No, it’s a large enough health risk to ONLY society at large, specifically the segment of society that is choosing not to protect themselves (immune compromised aside, sorry y’all). I could not care less anymore about that segment of society, but particularly when they force children to shoulder the burden of their selfish choices.

This is where you lose me. Doctors and scientists are sounding the alarm on Delta in children. The latest stats are 1 in 22 children infected have long term symptoms. That’s very concerning, when you are talking about a highly transmissible virus. We should be working together to pressure DCPS to implement every mitigation strategy possible. Pretending children are not at risk is foolish.

That makes no sense. Delta hasnt been around long enough for there to be any data on long term impact.

Correct. All we know is that it appears to be making kids sicker and requiring more hospitalizations, per reports of doctors in high spread areas.

Infects more kids and requiring more hospitalizations is not the same as being more virulent, to be clear.

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I remember some serious mitigation measures at sleep away camp when a camper was diagnosed with chicken pox a couple of days into it in the mid-80ies. Those were not parties. They took it extremely seriously, but that was forty years ago. They didn't need to do 1917-type masking because it wasn't a deadly pandemic, but they didn't have access to the rapid tests and abundance of masks we have in 2021. There is no excuse for this.

This is not a "deadly pandemic" for the under 12s.

If I had just written "they didn't have access to the abundance of masks we have in 2021", I'm pretty sure the tit-for-tat snarky retort would have been "Well in 1917 they figured out a way to mask up."

It's just a fact that it isn't.

Right.
Yet, it's enough of a health risk to unvaccinated children and society at large that masks in school mostly mandated. School mask mandates are necessary but not sufficient, hence OP's alarm.

No, it’s a large enough health risk to ONLY society at large, specifically the segment of society that is choosing not to protect themselves (immune compromised aside, sorry y’all). I could not care less anymore about that segment of society, but particularly when they force children to shoulder the burden of their selfish choices.

This is where you lose me. Doctors and scientists are sounding the alarm on Delta in children. The latest stats are 1 in 22 children infected have long term symptoms. That’s very concerning, when you are talking about a highly transmissible virus. We should be working together to pressure DCPS to implement every mitigation strategy possible. Pretending children are not at risk is foolish.

That makes no sense. Delta hasnt been around long enough for there to be any data on long term impact.

Correct. All we know is that it appears to be making kids sicker and requiring more hospitalizations, per reports of doctors in high spread areas.

Infects more kids and requiring more hospitalizations is not the same as being more virulent, to be clear.

True. Virologists/epidemiologists are saying they believe it is more VIRULENT.

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I remember some serious mitigation measures at sleep away camp when a camper was diagnosed with chicken pox a couple of days into it in the mid-80ies. Those were not parties. They took it extremely seriously, but that was forty years ago. They didn't need to do 1917-type masking because it wasn't a deadly pandemic, but they didn't have access to the rapid tests and abundance of masks we have in 2021. There is no excuse for this.

This is not a "deadly pandemic" for the under 12s.

If I had just written "they didn't have access to the abundance of masks we have in 2021", I'm pretty sure the tit-for-tat snarky retort would have been "Well in 1917 they figured out a way to mask up."

It's just a fact that it isn't.

Right.
Yet, it's enough of a health risk to unvaccinated children and society at large that masks in school mostly mandated. School mask mandates are necessary but not sufficient, hence OP's alarm.

No, it’s a large enough health risk to ONLY society at large, specifically the segment of society that is choosing not to protect themselves (immune compromised aside, sorry y’all). I could not care less anymore about that segment of society, but particularly when they force children to shoulder the burden of their selfish choices.

This is where you lose me. Doctors and scientists are sounding the alarm on Delta in children. The latest stats are 1 in 22 children infected have long term symptoms. That’s very concerning, when you are talking about a highly transmissible virus. We should be working together to pressure DCPS to implement every mitigation strategy possible. Pretending children are not at risk is foolish.

That makes no sense. Delta hasn't been around long enough for there to be any data on long term impact.

I'm the 17.07 PP ("right"), not the Lancet study poster. Thanks for posting it!

The Lancet paper is causing consternation, because people/journalists read the conclusion and say "yay, no big deal", and experts read the numbers and say it's very bad. One in 22 kids having symptoms for over 4 weeks and one in 50 kids having symptoms for over 6-8 weeks, is a huge number of children.

Delta is vastly more infectious, and it's suspected of being twice as virulent. We have no reason to believe the 'likely twice as virulent" wouldn't apply to children.

Long-covid, meanwhile, has shown to occur after cases ranging from hospitalized to cold-like very mild. Regardless, it would be extremely unlikely that (and totally unreasonable to assume) that the occurrence of long-covid would be lower, or much different in delta than in the original or the alpha variant versions of the virus.

And if you say "5 weeks of symptoms is not the lifelong disease you're being hysterical about", consider that the UK currently has 33,000 children with long-covid and the UK has had to set up over 100 long covid clinics for adults and children suffering from long covid. That represents more than the 4.4 % number in the Lancet paper.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/11/their-childhood-has-been-stolen-calls-for-action-to-tackle-long-covid

Fran Simpson of Long Covid Kids said: “Children who’ve got long covid – it’s completely destroyed their lives for some of them. They’ve gone from being children going to school, seeing their friends, having hobbies, to not being able to school. Some are not well enough to walk – they’re using wheelchairs. Others are not eating properly because of the impact on taste and smell. It feels like they’ve had their childhood stolen.”

About 7% to 9% of children who become infected with covid go on to develop some long-Covid symptoms, according to Office for National Statistics data.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2021/06/nhs-sets-up-specialist-young-peoples-services-in-100-million-long-covid-care-expansion/
Announced mid-June 2021:

The NHS is setting up specialist long COVID services for children and young people as part of a £100 million expansion of care for those suffering from the condition.

The 15 new paediatric hubs will draw together experts on common symptoms such as respiratory problems and fatigue who can directly treat youngsters, advise family doctors or others caring for them or refer them into other specialist services and clinics.

Some pediatric hospitals in the US South have started to set up pediatric long covid clinics as well, although I haven't come across much data on pediatric long-covid here.

Show me the experts commenting on this article. And no, Long Covid Kids is not a reputable organization.

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I remember some serious mitigation measures at sleep away camp when a camper was diagnosed with chicken pox a couple of days into it in the mid-80ies. Those were not parties. They took it extremely seriously, but that was forty years ago. They didn't need to do 1917-type masking because it wasn't a deadly pandemic, but they didn't have access to the rapid tests and abundance of masks we have in 2021. There is no excuse for this.

This is not a "deadly pandemic" for the under 12s.

If I had just written "they didn't have access to the abundance of masks we have in 2021", I'm pretty sure the tit-for-tat snarky retort would have been "Well in 1917 they figured out a way to mask up."

It's just a fact that it isn't.

Right.
Yet, it's enough of a health risk to unvaccinated children and society at large that masks in school mostly mandated. School mask mandates are necessary but not sufficient, hence OP's alarm.

No, it’s a large enough health risk to ONLY society at large, specifically the segment of society that is choosing not to protect themselves (immune compromised aside, sorry y’all). I could not care less anymore about that segment of society, but particularly when they force children to shoulder the burden of their selfish choices.

This is where you lose me. Doctors and scientists are sounding the alarm on Delta in children. The latest stats are 1 in 22 children infected have long term symptoms. That’s very concerning, when you are talking about a highly transmissible virus. We should be working together to pressure DCPS to implement every mitigation strategy possible. Pretending children are not at risk is foolish.

That makes no sense. Delta hasn't been around long enough for there to be any data on long term impact.

I'm the 17.07 PP ("right"), not the Lancet study poster. Thanks for posting it!

The Lancet paper is causing consternation, because people/journalists read the conclusion and say "yay, no big deal", and experts read the numbers and say it's very bad. One in 22 kids having symptoms for over 4 weeks and one in 50 kids having symptoms for over 6-8 weeks, is a huge number of children.

Delta is vastly more infectious, and it's suspected of being twice as virulent. We have no reason to believe the 'likely twice as virulent" wouldn't apply to children.

Long-covid, meanwhile, has shown to occur after cases ranging from hospitalized to cold-like very mild. Regardless, it would be extremely unlikely that (and totally unreasonable to assume) that the occurrence of long-covid would be lower, or much different in delta than in the original or the alpha variant versions of the virus.

And if you say "5 weeks of symptoms is not the lifelong disease you're being hysterical about", consider that the UK currently has 33,000 children with long-covid and the UK has had to set up over 100 long covid clinics for adults and children suffering from long covid. That represents more than the 4.4 % number in the Lancet paper.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/11/their-childhood-has-been-stolen-calls-for-action-to-tackle-long-covid

Fran Simpson of Long Covid Kids said: “Children who’ve got long covid – it’s completely destroyed their lives for some of them. They’ve gone from being children going to school, seeing their friends, having hobbies, to not being able to school. Some are not well enough to walk – they’re using wheelchairs. Others are not eating properly because of the impact on taste and smell. It feels like they’ve had their childhood stolen.”

About 7% to 9% of children who become infected with covid go on to develop some long-Covid symptoms, according to Office for National Statistics data.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2021/06/nhs-sets-up-specialist-young-peoples-services-in-100-million-long-covid-care-expansion/
Announced mid-June 2021:

The NHS is setting up specialist long COVID services for children and young people as part of a £100 million expansion of care for those suffering from the condition.

The 15 new paediatric hubs will draw together experts on common symptoms such as respiratory problems and fatigue who can directly treat youngsters, advise family doctors or others caring for them or refer them into other specialist services and clinics.

Some pediatric hospitals in the US South have started to set up pediatric long covid clinics as well, although I haven't come across much data on pediatric long-covid here.

quit bsing. this article absolutely does not show significant covid symptoms over the long term, unless you count loss of smell.

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I remember some serious mitigation measures at sleep away camp when a camper was diagnosed with chicken pox a couple of days into it in the mid-80ies. Those were not parties. They took it extremely seriously, but that was forty years ago. They didn't need to do 1917-type masking because it wasn't a deadly pandemic, but they didn't have access to the rapid tests and abundance of masks we have in 2021. There is no excuse for this.

This is not a "deadly pandemic" for the under 12s.

If I had just written "they didn't have access to the abundance of masks we have in 2021", I'm pretty sure the tit-for-tat snarky retort would have been "Well in 1917 they figured out a way to mask up."

It's just a fact that it isn't.

Right.
Yet, it's enough of a health risk to unvaccinated children and society at large that masks in school mostly mandated. School mask mandates are necessary but not sufficient, hence OP's alarm.

No, it’s a large enough health risk to ONLY society at large, specifically the segment of society that is choosing not to protect themselves (immune compromised aside, sorry y’all). I could not care less anymore about that segment of society, but particularly when they force children to shoulder the burden of their selfish choices.

This is where you lose me. Doctors and scientists are sounding the alarm on Delta in children. The latest stats are 1 in 22 children infected have long term symptoms. That’s very concerning, when you are talking about a highly transmissible virus. We should be working together to pressure DCPS to implement every mitigation strategy possible. Pretending children are not at risk is foolish.

That makes no sense. Delta hasn't been around long enough for there to be any data on long term impact.

I'm the 17.07 PP ("right"), not the Lancet study poster. Thanks for posting it!

The Lancet paper is causing consternation, because people/journalists read the conclusion and say "yay, no big deal", and experts read the numbers and say it's very bad. One in 22 kids having symptoms for over 4 weeks and one in 50 kids having symptoms for over 6-8 weeks, is a huge number of children.

Delta is vastly more infectious, and it's suspected of being twice as virulent. We have no reason to believe the 'likely twice as virulent" wouldn't apply to children.

Long-covid, meanwhile, has shown to occur after cases ranging from hospitalized to cold-like very mild. Regardless, it would be extremely unlikely that (and totally unreasonable to assume) that the occurrence of long-covid would be lower, or much different in delta than in the original or the alpha variant versions of the virus.

And if you say "5 weeks of symptoms is not the lifelong disease you're being hysterical about", consider that the UK currently has 33,000 children with long-covid and the UK has had to set up over 100 long covid clinics for adults and children suffering from long covid. That represents more than the 4.4 % number in the Lancet paper.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/11/their-childhood-has-been-stolen-calls-for-action-to-tackle-long-covid

Fran Simpson of Long Covid Kids said: “Children who’ve got long covid – it’s completely destroyed their lives for some of them. They’ve gone from being children going to school, seeing their friends, having hobbies, to not being able to school. Some are not well enough to walk – they’re using wheelchairs. Others are not eating properly because of the impact on taste and smell. It feels like they’ve had their childhood stolen.”

About 7% to 9% of children who become infected with covid go on to develop some long-Covid symptoms, according to Office for National Statistics data.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2021/06/nhs-sets-up-specialist-young-peoples-services-in-100-million-long-covid-care-expansion/
Announced mid-June 2021:

The NHS is setting up specialist long COVID services for children and young people as part of a £100 million expansion of care for those suffering from the condition.

The 15 new paediatric hubs will draw together experts on common symptoms such as respiratory problems and fatigue who can directly treat youngsters, advise family doctors or others caring for them or refer them into other specialist services and clinics.

Some pediatric hospitals in the US South have started to set up pediatric long covid clinics as well, although I haven't come across much data on pediatric long-covid here.

Show me the experts commenting on this article. And no, Long Covid Kids is not a reputable organization.

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I remember some serious mitigation measures at sleep away camp when a camper was diagnosed with chicken pox a couple of days into it in the mid-80ies. Those were not parties. They took it extremely seriously, but that was forty years ago. They didn't need to do 1917-type masking because it wasn't a deadly pandemic, but they didn't have access to the rapid tests and abundance of masks we have in 2021. There is no excuse for this.

This is not a "deadly pandemic" for the under 12s.

If I had just written "they didn't have access to the abundance of masks we have in 2021", I'm pretty sure the tit-for-tat snarky retort would have been "Well in 1917 they figured out a way to mask up."

It's just a fact that it isn't.

Right.
Yet, it's enough of a health risk to unvaccinated children and society at large that masks in school mostly mandated. School mask mandates are necessary but not sufficient, hence OP's alarm.

No, it’s a large enough health risk to ONLY society at large, specifically the segment of society that is choosing not to protect themselves (immune compromised aside, sorry y’all). I could not care less anymore about that segment of society, but particularly when they force children to shoulder the burden of their selfish choices.

This is where you lose me. Doctors and scientists are sounding the alarm on Delta in children. The latest stats are 1 in 22 children infected have long term symptoms. That’s very concerning, when you are talking about a highly transmissible virus. We should be working together to pressure DCPS to implement every mitigation strategy possible. Pretending children are not at risk is foolish.

That makes no sense. Delta hasnt been around long enough for there to be any data on long term impact.

Correct. All we know is that it appears to be making kids sicker and requiring more hospitalizations, per reports of doctors in high spread areas.

In other words, all you have is anecdotes.

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I remember some serious mitigation measures at sleep away camp when a camper was diagnosed with chicken pox a couple of days into it in the mid-80ies. Those were not parties. They took it extremely seriously, but that was forty years ago. They didn't need to do 1917-type masking because it wasn't a deadly pandemic, but they didn't have access to the rapid tests and abundance of masks we have in 2021. There is no excuse for this.

This is not a "deadly pandemic" for the under 12s.

If I had just written "they didn't have access to the abundance of masks we have in 2021", I'm pretty sure the tit-for-tat snarky retort would have been "Well in 1917 they figured out a way to mask up."

It's just a fact that it isn't.

Right.
Yet, it's enough of a health risk to unvaccinated children and society at large that masks in school mostly mandated. School mask mandates are necessary but not sufficient, hence OP's alarm.

No, it’s a large enough health risk to ONLY society at large, specifically the segment of society that is choosing not to protect themselves (immune compromised aside, sorry y’all). I could not care less anymore about that segment of society, but particularly when they force children to shoulder the burden of their selfish choices.

This is where you lose me. Doctors and scientists are sounding the alarm on Delta in children. The latest stats are 1 in 22 children infected have long term symptoms. That’s very concerning, when you are talking about a highly transmissible virus. We should be working together to pressure DCPS to implement every mitigation strategy possible. Pretending children are not at risk is foolish.

That makes no sense. Delta hasnt been around long enough for there to be any data on long term impact.

Correct. All we know is that it appears to be making kids sicker and requiring more hospitalizations, per reports of doctors in high spread areas.

Infects more kids and requiring more hospitalizations is not the same as being more virulent, to be clear.

True. Virologists/epidemiologists are saying they believe it is more VIRULENT.

Please quote some of those experts saying it is more virulent in kids. So far, I have read the opposite.

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Anonymous wrote:Where even did the 1 in 22 number come from? I don't see it in here.

4.4%=1/22.5

I think it was about 5% of kids have symptoms over 28 days = 1 in 20. Percentage for young kids was lower, maybe 3% (e.g., kids too young for vaccine). Symptoms over 56 days was 1.8%.

I’d love to see the equivalent statistics for the percentage of young children who display symptoms for the common cold after 1 month.

This.