Would you let your child study liberal arts?

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Anonymous wrote:Liberal arts teach you what you need to be successfully so many different situations.

Engineering, accounting, finance, and other field-specific majors teach you how to solve problems in specific areas.


I have a degree in the former. My husband has a degree in the later. It's amazing how much of what I consider a whole education he is missing. He was prepared for a certain job, but doesn't have the familiarity with literature, art, history, and philosophy that I thought was normal because all of my SLAC friends recognize those references. And he sucks at Jeopardy. lol

Let me guess who makes more money!
DH

How many years post graduation? Push it 10 years and it will be the liberal arts majors

This. Not surprised the liberal arts DW now makes more than her professional degree DH. It's what happens.

Sure, Jan.
https://www.hamiltonproject.org/assets/legacy/files/downloads_and_links/MajorDecisions-Figure_2a.pdf

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https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/valueofcollegemajors/

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The liberal arts crowd sure is worked up! So many of these anecdotal stories are pretty much meaningless. My college dropout neighbor makes over 500k in pharma sales. You should just get a GED and make big bucks in pharma sales!

When people goof on liberal arts degrees, they aren't talking about someone who uses their liberal arts degree to get into law school. They are talking about someone who majors in something useless like sociology.

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Anonymous wrote:The liberal arts crowd sure is worked up! So many of these anecdotal stories are pretty much meaningless. My college dropout neighbor makes over 500k in pharma sales. You should just get a GED and make big bucks in pharma sales!

When people goof on liberal arts degrees, they aren't talking about someone who uses their liberal arts degree to get into law school. They are talking about someone who majors in something useless like sociology.

Lord you’re a moron.

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Anonymous wrote:Liberal arts teach you what you need to be successfully so many different situations.

Engineering, accounting, finance, and other field-specific majors teach you how to solve problems in specific areas.


I have a degree in the former. My husband has a degree in the later. It's amazing how much of what I consider a whole education he is missing. He was prepared for a certain job, but doesn't have the familiarity with literature, art, history, and philosophy that I thought was normal because all of my SLAC friends recognize those references. And he sucks at Jeopardy. lol

Let me guess who makes more money!
DH

Actually my (different pp) BIL the electrical engineer astoundingly makes less than I do with my English Lit degree.
He's been laid off so many times due to company buy outs that he has been royally screwed.

Liberal arts (Mathematics, biology, English, history, philosophy...) pay off in the long run; career majors pay off in the short run. And if you are an engineer you better save a lot of that money, unless you plan to have your own company and can make it happen by the time you are middle aged.

+1. I did liberal arts (English to law school). DH did CS. I make $135,000 as a Fed and he makes about $180,000 (there is some variation in bonuses). So, pure salary wise, op ot looks like he earns more.

But, I work significantly less than he does (40 vs 60 hours a week) because my position does not allow for OT, carry excellent health insurance for our family (we have a family member with a serious chronic condition and DH’s office offers only a very expensive HDHP) and have my pension, in addition to the federal Thrift match. That’s 1.1% of my high 3 for life. And I’ll likely retire with about 25 years, and 27-30% of my salary. I also get 13 days of sick leave, 26 of annual leave and 11 federal holidays a year. DH’s leave is half that.

We have a kid at home and a kid at college. Health insurance, work flexibility with kids, retirement. The number on your paycheck doesn’t tell the whole story.

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Anonymous wrote:The liberal arts crowd sure is worked up! So many of these anecdotal stories are pretty much meaningless. My college dropout neighbor makes over 500k in pharma sales. You should just get a GED and make big bucks in pharma sales!

When people goof on liberal arts degrees, they aren't talking about someone who uses their liberal arts degree to get into law school. They are talking about someone who majors in something useless like sociology.

Sociology isn’t useless. I work as an attorney for a federal agency and most days use my sociology degree more than my English degree or even my law degree.

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Anonymous wrote:The liberal arts crowd sure is worked up! So many of these anecdotal stories are pretty much meaningless. My college dropout neighbor makes over 500k in pharma sales. You should just get a GED and make big bucks in pharma sales!

When people goof on liberal arts degrees, they aren't talking about someone who uses their liberal arts degree to get into law school. They are talking about someone who majors in something useless like sociology.

Lord you’re a moron.

GFY

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Anonymous wrote:The liberal arts crowd sure is worked up! So many of these anecdotal stories are pretty much meaningless. My college dropout neighbor makes over 500k in pharma sales. You should just get a GED and make big bucks in pharma sales!

When people goof on liberal arts degrees, they aren't talking about someone who uses their liberal arts degree to get into law school. They are talking about someone who majors in something useless like sociology.

Sociology isn’t useless. I work as an attorney for a federal agency and most days use my sociology degree more than my English degree or even my law degree.

You make decent money because you have a law degree and work as a lawyer. Majors like psychology or sociology are a joke, especially now that college can easily cost well over 100k. The classes are pretty much all the same. You have some nutty professor rambling on about stuff that is borderline insane and has no relevance to the real world.

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Anonymous wrote:The liberal arts crowd sure is worked up! So many of these anecdotal stories are pretty much meaningless. My college dropout neighbor makes over 500k in pharma sales. You should just get a GED and make big bucks in pharma sales!

When people goof on liberal arts degrees, they aren't talking about someone who uses their liberal arts degree to get into law school. They are talking about someone who majors in something useless like sociology.

Sociology isn’t useless. I work as an attorney for a federal agency and most days use my sociology degree more than my English degree or even my law degree.

You make decent money because you have a law degree and work as a lawyer. Majors like psychology or sociology are a joke, especially now that college can easily cost well over 100k. The classes are pretty much all the same. You have some nutty professor rambling on about stuff that is borderline insane and has no relevance to the real world.

DP here. You seem to have disdain for the inherent value of education and how it prepares one for varied success. You not only express that disdain, you demonstrate it.

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Anonymous wrote:https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/valueofcollegemajors/

Or you can look at the same center's study on the return of investment on degrees from liberal arts colleges which found their median ROI is 200,000 higher than the median of all other colleges, and that if you look at the lifetime (rather than immediate effect) that liberal arts graduates have equal ROI as business & tech schools and engineering programs.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/CollegeROI/
https://1gyhoq479ufd3yna29x7ubjn-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/Liberal-Arts-ROI.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:The liberal arts crowd sure is worked up! So many of these anecdotal stories are pretty much meaningless. My college dropout neighbor makes over 500k in pharma sales. You should just get a GED and make big bucks in pharma sales!

When people goof on liberal arts degrees, they aren't talking about someone who uses their liberal arts degree to get into law school. They are talking about someone who majors in something useless like sociology.

Sociology isn’t useless. I work as an attorney for a federal agency and most days use my sociology degree more than my English degree or even my law degree.

You make decent money because you have a law degree and work as a lawyer. Majors like psychology or sociology are a joke, especially now that college can easily cost well over 100k. The classes are pretty much all the same. You have some nutty professor rambling on about stuff that is borderline insane and has no relevance to the real world.

DP here. You seem to have disdain for the inherent value of education and how it prepares one for varied success. You not only express that disdain, you demonstrate it.

That depends on your chosen career. A college degree absolutely makes you more marketable and will likely create opportunities that don't exist without a degree. But most majors don't even come close to giving you the skills you need to do a particular job. I probably learned more from working crappy jobs than I did reading books and writing papers. You are literally doing the exact same thing over and over again for four years. What a bore.

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Anonymous wrote:The liberal arts crowd sure is worked up! So many of these anecdotal stories are pretty much meaningless. My college dropout neighbor makes over 500k in pharma sales. You should just get a GED and make big bucks in pharma sales!

When people goof on liberal arts degrees, they aren't talking about someone who uses their liberal arts degree to get into law school. They are talking about someone who majors in something useless like sociology.

Sociology isn’t useless. I work as an attorney for a federal agency and most days use my sociology degree more than my English degree or even my law degree.

You make decent money because you have a law degree and work as a lawyer. Majors like psychology or sociology are a joke, especially now that college can easily cost well over 100k. The classes are pretty much all the same. You have some nutty professor rambling on about stuff that is borderline insane and has no relevance to the real world.

DP here. You seem to have disdain for the inherent value of education and how it prepares one for varied success. You not only express that disdain, you demonstrate it.

That depends on your chosen career. A college degree absolutely makes you more marketable and will likely create opportunities that don't exist without a degree. But most majors don't even come close to giving you the skills you need to do a particular job. I probably learned more from working crappy jobs than I did reading books and writing papers. You are literally doing the exact same thing over and over again for four years. What a bore.

Psychologists (the nutty professors who work in colleges) did the all the research studies that formed the basis of the behavioral economics that have influenced many monetary policies. They do the studies on how the military treats PTSD and how schools address dyslexia and a host of other issues. Sociologists and psychologists working in concert document the impact of childhood poverty on development that inform public policy. This is just .001 percent of the impact they have on the world.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The liberal arts crowd sure is worked up! So many of these anecdotal stories are pretty much meaningless. My college dropout neighbor makes over 500k in pharma sales. You should just get a GED and make big bucks in pharma sales!

When people goof on liberal arts degrees, they aren't talking about someone who uses their liberal arts degree to get into law school. They are talking about someone who majors in something useless like sociology.

Sociology isn’t useless. I work as an attorney for a federal agency and most days use my sociology degree more than my English degree or even my law degree.

You make decent money because you have a law degree and work as a lawyer. Majors like psychology or sociology are a joke, especially now that college can easily cost well over 100k. The classes are pretty much all the same. You have some nutty professor rambling on about stuff that is borderline insane and has no relevance to the real world.

DP here. You seem to have disdain for the inherent value of education and how it prepares one for varied success. You not only express that disdain, you demonstrate it.

That depends on your chosen career. A college degree absolutely makes you more marketable and will likely create opportunities that don't exist without a degree. But most majors don't even come close to giving you the skills you need to do a particular job. I probably learned more from working crappy jobs than I did reading books and writing papers. You are literally doing the exact same thing over and over again for four years. What a bore.

Your anti-intellectual position is consistent. But what you learned in college may not be the same as what others learn. And this is me responding kindly.

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Anonymous wrote:The liberal arts crowd sure is worked up! So many of these anecdotal stories are pretty much meaningless. My college dropout neighbor makes over 500k in pharma sales. You should just get a GED and make big bucks in pharma sales!

When people goof on liberal arts degrees, they aren't talking about someone who uses their liberal arts degree to get into law school. They are talking about someone who majors in something useless like sociology.

Sociology isn’t useless. I work as an attorney for a federal agency and most days use my sociology degree more than my English degree or even my law degree.

You make decent money because you have a law degree and work as a lawyer. Majors like psychology or sociology are a joke, especially now that college can easily cost well over 100k. The classes are pretty much all the same. You have some nutty professor rambling on about stuff that is borderline insane and has no relevance to the real world.

Says the person who never took a serious Psych or Sociology class.

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Anonymous wrote:The liberal arts crowd sure is worked up! So many of these anecdotal stories are pretty much meaningless. My college dropout neighbor makes over 500k in pharma sales. You should just get a GED and make big bucks in pharma sales!

When people goof on liberal arts degrees, they aren't talking about someone who uses their liberal arts degree to get into law school. They are talking about someone who majors in something useless like sociology.

Lord you’re a moron.

GFY

Deep breaths. It’ll be okay.