DMV talent production?

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't FCV produce the #1 pick in the women's draft this year? I guess DMV talent is just fine for women. lol

A blind squirrel fines a nut.

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Anonymous wrote:Either place still isn't getting our best talent. Until we get our best athletes playing soccer we won't be the best.

I agree with you but before we change the topic, let's go back to it. DFW is producing some of the best players in the US Soccer population. There overall population is larger than the DMV by about 1 million people, but, they also have to compete with a much bigger youth sports culture (football). Why is is the DFW is able to produce so many top players but the DMV has been unable to?

Because a larger percentage of both their players and coaches are international (significantly LatinX). Less BS with big kids running over each other to score goals and more emphasis on skills and moving the ball.

It's racist to state that Latino/Latina coaches are better because they only emphasize skills and moving the ball. There are plenty of bad coaches there, as well as non-Latino/non-Latina coaches that emphasize skills and moving the ball.

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Anonymous wrote:Either place still isn't getting our best talent. Until we get our best athletes playing soccer we won't be the best.

I agree with you but before we change the topic, let's go back to it. DFW is producing some of the best players in the US Soccer population. There overall population is larger than the DMV by about 1 million people, but, they also have to compete with a much bigger youth sports culture (football). Why is is the DFW is able to produce so many top players but the DMV has been unable to?

Because a larger percentage of both their players and coaches are international (significantly LatinX). Less BS with big kids running over each other to score goals and more emphasis on skills and moving the ball.

It's racist to state that Latino/Latina coaches are better because they only emphasize skills and moving the ball. There are plenty of bad coaches there, as well as non-Latino/non-Latina coaches that emphasize skills and moving the ball.

Racist? Please. Get over yourself and your pride. BTW, I'm white. Other countries teach ball movement better - including the Germans, the French, and other Anglo populations. Pick your country. But, the fact is that most of the population boom in Dallas is Latino and they do play a different style of soccer. Talk to a few who have had exposure to soccer in multiple countries. They will almost uniformly tell you that the American style of rugby disguised as soccer is laughable and why we don't produce talented, team players and certainly not small, skilled players, who typically dominate international soccer.

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Anonymous wrote:Either place still isn't getting our best talent. Until we get our best athletes playing soccer we won't be the best.

I agree with you but before we change the topic, let's go back to it. DFW is producing some of the best players in the US Soccer population. There overall population is larger than the DMV by about 1 million people, but, they also have to compete with a much bigger youth sports culture (football). Why is is the DFW is able to produce so many top players but the DMV has been unable to?

Because a larger percentage of both their players and coaches are international (significantly LatinX). Less BS with big kids running over each other to score goals and more emphasis on skills and moving the ball.

It's racist to state that Latino/Latina coaches are better because they only emphasize skills and moving the ball. There are plenty of bad coaches there, as well as non-Latino/non-Latina coaches that emphasize skills and moving the ball.

Racist? Please. Get over yourself and your pride. BTW, I'm white. Other countries teach ball movement better - including the Germans, the French, and other Anglo populations. Pick your country. But, the fact is that most of the population boom in Dallas is Latino and they do play a different style of soccer. Talk to a few who have had exposure to soccer in multiple countries. They will almost uniformly tell you that the American style of rugby disguised as soccer is laughable and why we don't produce talented, team players and certainly not small, skilled players, who typically dominate international soccer.

I know you're white. You said "LatinX".

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't FCV produce the #1 pick in the women's draft this year? I guess DMV talent is just fine for women. lol

Thank you for changing the conversation to women's soccer but would you like to have any input on men's soccer?

Actually, the initial topic was about both men's and women's national teams.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't FCV produce the #1 pick in the women's draft this year? I guess DMV talent is just fine for women. lol

Thank you for changing the conversation to women's soccer but would you like to have any input on men's soccer?

Actually, the initial topic was about both men's and women's national teams.

Oh my bad, I didn't realize you went back to page 1 of the initial topic.

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RantingSoccerDad wrote:I hadn't really thought about this until it came up in the PAC thread of all places, but is the DMV failing to produce good players?

The only player I could find who has been near the men's national team recently is Bill Hamid. The WNT is a bit better -- Andi Sullivan, Midge Purce, Emily Fox and Ali Krieger.

SoCal is always going to be the biggest source of players. But the DMV is trailing Colorado and Atlanta, among other places.

Are we doing something wrong? Or is this what we would expect?

You need to do a bit more research.

Agreed. There are many more but that would not support his "expert" analysis.

Name them.

Joe Gyau, Jeremy Ebobisse, Gideon Zelalem, and Nicholas Gioachinni have all spent some time with the national team.

Not recently for Gyau, though it's unfair that injuries have held him back.

Ebobisse is at least on the radar. Zelalem seems to have fallen out -- his career has declined quite a bit.

Gioachinni wasn't here that long, but the DMV can claim partial credit if you like.

https://www.sbnation.com/2019/1/29/18199509/usmnt-roster-pool-demographics-latinx-foreign-born-players

The DMV area is fourth overall, behind only California, Texas and NY/NJ, according to actual research, and not your hunches.

More than two years ago, according to the date on the file, not your angry musings.

And if you dig deeper into the story, you'll see Maryland at 3.4% and Virginia at 2.8%. She gives 6.3% for the DMV as a whole. The District itself is lumped in with "under 2%."

I can ask Alicia if you like, but unless the District itself is at 1.9%, Baltimore produced very little and the rest of Virginia produced very little, the "DMV" is quite broadly defined here.

Virginia -- all of Virginia -- is tied with Georgia and Arizona.

More recently, again, it's just Hamid. Then two, if you count Gioachinni.

Maybe try more than one Google search before you come in with some nonsense about me not doing my homework when I'm asking a simple question. If you have evidence that the DMV is doing better than this data would make it seem, great. That would at least partially answer my question.

But you're apparently obsessed with me, so you'd rather not contemplate the question.

If you'd like to talk further, DM me or PM me or email me or whatever.

Over the course of 10 years. It's called a trend. And your response is that they define the area too broadly? Sure.
You had a theory, it's been proven wrong. Let it go.

Wasting your time arguing. He'll move the goal posts every time.

Notice that the initial thread was about producing good players. Then it morphed into a discussion about men's national team representation. Is the national team the only barometer of producing good players? Pretty sure good players from DMV are in colleges all across the country. They're in lower divisions too and MLS. Article shows Virginia and Maryland have higher per capita representation than bigger states and he looks to discredit. Just walk away.

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Anonymous wrote:While DFW has about another million people than DMV, they also have to compete with the Texas culture of football. At some point, you're going to start questioning why DMV just isn't producing talent.

https://twitter.com/FCDallas/status/1401951467137871876

FC Dallas has a much better academy setup than DC United, which helps a lot. Now they're connected with Bayern so it's only going to get better in attracting and then sending top players to Europe.

Knowing a few kids that played for DCU, they didn't want any part of it after youth careers or even if they could have been homegrown players after college.

Also, while Texas is football dominant, it is sports-mad across several disciplines. Volleyball. Soccer. Basketball. Baseball. It seems there not the same value on sports here, which is fine. But when kids are lifting in elementary schools to be football players in high school, you can kind of get where the mindset of parents and kids are in terms of making athletics a big part of life.

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Anonymous wrote:While DFW has about another million people than DMV, they also have to compete with the Texas culture of football. At some point, you're going to start questioning why DMV just isn't producing talent.

https://twitter.com/FCDallas/status/1401951467137871876

FC Dallas has a much better academy setup than DC United, which helps a lot. Now they're connected with Bayern so it's only going to get better in attracting and then sending top players to Europe.

Knowing a few kids that played for DCU, they didn't want any part of it after youth careers or even if they could have been homegrown players after college.

Also, while Texas is football dominant, it is sports-mad across several disciplines. Volleyball. Soccer. Basketball. Baseball. It seems there not the same value on sports here, which is fine. But when kids are lifting in elementary schools to be football players in high school, you can kind of get where the mindset of parents and kids are in terms of making athletics a big part of life.

I known DC United has changed its setup, but I know of a few really strong younger players who left the area to play for other academy clubs that were subsidized (no costs).

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't FCV produce the #1 pick in the women's draft this year? I guess DMV talent is just fine for women. lol

Thank you for changing the conversation to women's soccer but would you like to have any input on men's soccer?

Actually, the initial topic was about both men's and women's national teams.

Oh my bad, I didn't realize you went back to page 1 of the initial topic.

Riiiight. So you complain about the subject being changed when the original subject was already changed. Maybe you're not the gatekeeper and should let discussion flow freely. But it's my fault somehow.