CCL extincting

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Anonymous wrote:I have no problem with the travel as I know what I signed up for but would love a local competitive league with all the talent around here. How do we go about doing that?

After CCL is extinct (possibly next year) maybe you will get your wish.

There is no easy answer, but if more families opted for reason and resisted getting sucked into the youth soccer trap, maybe supply and demand would lead to more options that make sense. I can assure you that your average young soccer player is better off playing in local game or league and spending the them saved from driving messing around with friends or practicing in the back yard that driving hours each way for what is often not a competitive game. The cream will always rise to the top, and if your child is ultra talented, he or she will find their way. You don't need to spend the U-little years driving around.

Again, those choices exist, stop acting as if they don't.

Can you name the league where you have local high level competition?

NCSL if your DC is good enough to be in a 1st or 2nd division roster.

There is a huge gap between NCSL D1 and CCL, let alone ECNL.

I have kids in both CCL and NCSL D1 and this just isn't true. First of all, there are no teams as weak as the weakest CCL teams in NCSL Division 1. You could argue that prior to U13, CCL's strongest teams are the future ECNL teams but the top NCSL teams are more solidly the future EDP teams, whereas a lot of those CCL teams only become very competitive once they hold ECNL tryouts. Maybe there are more very strong teams in CCL but the inconsistency is maddening, as are the distances. Obviously, both drop in quality in the older ages but NCSL just makes more sense. Much bigger, promotion and relegation, more games. CCL should fold!

I had a daughter who played for a Herndon team which won NCSL division 1 a few years ago. The next year Herndon joined CCL and they played in CCL. They scarcely won a game.

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It used to be BC NCSL, but then CCL, VPL, ODSL, and EDP came along and ruined that just like DA did with ECNL. Always someone else who thinks they have a superior service. They’ve all done nothing but waste time and money and created dilution. Many of the PPs are right. Unless your kid is a superstar, sign them up for any of those teams in those leagues, (or play rec) practice close to home and let them have fun.

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Be. Not BC.

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At least odsl folding made things slightly better. Ccl2 does not need to exist either, that would help ncsl more.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no problem with the travel as I know what I signed up for but would love a local competitive league with all the talent around here. How do we go about doing that?

After CCL is extinct (possibly next year) maybe you will get your wish.

There is no easy answer, but if more families opted for reason and resisted getting sucked into the youth soccer trap, maybe supply and demand would lead to more options that make sense. I can assure you that your average young soccer player is better off playing in local game or league and spending the them saved from driving messing around with friends or practicing in the back yard that driving hours each way for what is often not a competitive game. The cream will always rise to the top, and if your child is ultra talented, he or she will find their way. You don't need to spend the U-little years driving around.

Again, those choices exist, stop acting as if they don't.

Can you name the league where you have local high level competition?

NCSL if your DC is good enough to be in a 1st or 2nd division roster.

There is a huge gap between NCSL D1 and CCL, let alone ECNL.

I have kids in both CCL and NCSL D1 and this just isn't true. First of all, there are no teams as weak as the weakest CCL teams in NCSL Division 1. You could argue that prior to U13, CCL's strongest teams are the future ECNL teams but the top NCSL teams are more solidly the future EDP teams, whereas a lot of those CCL teams only become very competitive once they hold ECNL tryouts. Maybe there are more very strong teams in CCL but the inconsistency is maddening, as are the distances. Obviously, both drop in quality in the older ages but NCSL just makes more sense. Much bigger, promotion and relegation, more games. CCL should fold!

I had a daughter who played for a Herndon team which won NCSL division 1 a few years ago. The next year Herndon joined CCL and they played in CCL. They scarcely won a game.

Well, Herndon does really well on the boys side, as does Alexandria, which came over the same year as Herndon.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no problem with the travel as I know what I signed up for but would love a local competitive league with all the talent around here. How do we go about doing that?

After CCL is extinct (possibly next year) maybe you will get your wish.

There is no easy answer, but if more families opted for reason and resisted getting sucked into the youth soccer trap, maybe supply and demand would lead to more options that make sense. I can assure you that your average young soccer player is better off playing in local game or league and spending the them saved from driving messing around with friends or practicing in the back yard that driving hours each way for what is often not a competitive game. The cream will always rise to the top, and if your child is ultra talented, he or she will find their way. You don't need to spend the U-little years driving around.

Again, those choices exist, stop acting as if they don't.

Can you name the league where you have local high level competition?

NCSL if your DC is good enough to be in a 1st or 2nd division roster.

There is a huge gap between NCSL D1 and CCL, let alone ECNL.

I have kids in both CCL and NCSL D1 and this just isn't true. First of all, there are no teams as weak as the weakest CCL teams in NCSL Division 1. You could argue that prior to U13, CCL's strongest teams are the future ECNL teams but the top NCSL teams are more solidly the future EDP teams, whereas a lot of those CCL teams only become very competitive once they hold ECNL tryouts. Maybe there are more very strong teams in CCL but the inconsistency is maddening, as are the distances. Obviously, both drop in quality in the older ages but NCSL just makes more sense. Much bigger, promotion and relegation, more games. CCL should fold!

I had a daughter who played for a Herndon team which won NCSL division 1 a few years ago. The next year Herndon joined CCL and they played in CCL. They scarcely won a game.

Well, Herndon does really well on the boys side, as does Alexandria, which came over the same year as Herndon.

That wasn't a knock on Herndon. I think they're a good club with well coached teams. It was just noting the difference in level between NCSL D1 and CCL. A team which won NCSL D1 comfortably was among the weakest teams in CCL the following year.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no problem with the travel as I know what I signed up for but would love a local competitive league with all the talent around here. How do we go about doing that?

After CCL is extinct (possibly next year) maybe you will get your wish.

There is no easy answer, but if more families opted for reason and resisted getting sucked into the youth soccer trap, maybe supply and demand would lead to more options that make sense. I can assure you that your average young soccer player is better off playing in local game or league and spending the them saved from driving messing around with friends or practicing in the back yard that driving hours each way for what is often not a competitive game. The cream will always rise to the top, and if your child is ultra talented, he or she will find their way. You don't need to spend the U-little years driving around.

Again, those choices exist, stop acting as if they don't.

Can you name the league where you have local high level competition?

NCSL if your DC is good enough to be in a 1st or 2nd division roster.

There is a huge gap between NCSL D1 and CCL, let alone ECNL.

I have kids in both CCL and NCSL D1 and this just isn't true. First of all, there are no teams as weak as the weakest CCL teams in NCSL Division 1. You could argue that prior to U13, CCL's strongest teams are the future ECNL teams but the top NCSL teams are more solidly the future EDP teams, whereas a lot of those CCL teams only become very competitive once they hold ECNL tryouts. Maybe there are more very strong teams in CCL but the inconsistency is maddening, as are the distances. Obviously, both drop in quality in the older ages but NCSL just makes more sense. Much bigger, promotion and relegation, more games. CCL should fold!

I had a daughter who played for a Herndon team which won NCSL division 1 a few years ago. The next year Herndon joined CCL and they played in CCL. They scarcely won a game.

Well, Herndon does really well on the boys side, as does Alexandria, which came over the same year as Herndon.

That wasn't a knock on Herndon. I think they're a good club with well coached teams. It was just noting the difference in level between NCSL D1 and CCL. A team which won NCSL D1 comfortably was among the weakest teams in CCL the following year.

Yes but what I am saying is that they are strong in CCL on the boys side, as is Alexandria, also a recent NCSL team. Maybe the gap you describe is accurate on the girls side but I don't think that it is there for the boys.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no problem with the travel as I know what I signed up for but would love a local competitive league with all the talent around here. How do we go about doing that?

After CCL is extinct (possibly next year) maybe you will get your wish.

There is no easy answer, but if more families opted for reason and resisted getting sucked into the youth soccer trap, maybe supply and demand would lead to more options that make sense. I can assure you that your average young soccer player is better off playing in local game or league and spending the them saved from driving messing around with friends or practicing in the back yard that driving hours each way for what is often not a competitive game. The cream will always rise to the top, and if your child is ultra talented, he or she will find their way. You don't need to spend the U-little years driving around.

Again, those choices exist, stop acting as if they don't.

Can you name the league where you have local high level competition?

NCSL if your DC is good enough to be in a 1st or 2nd division roster.

There is a huge gap between NCSL D1 and CCL, let alone ECNL.

I have kids in both CCL and NCSL D1 and this just isn't true. First of all, there are no teams as weak as the weakest CCL teams in NCSL Division 1. You could argue that prior to U13, CCL's strongest teams are the future ECNL teams but the top NCSL teams are more solidly the future EDP teams, whereas a lot of those CCL teams only become very competitive once they hold ECNL tryouts. Maybe there are more very strong teams in CCL but the inconsistency is maddening, as are the distances. Obviously, both drop in quality in the older ages but NCSL just makes more sense. Much bigger, promotion and relegation, more games. CCL should fold!

I had a daughter who played for a Herndon team which won NCSL division 1 a few years ago. The next year Herndon joined CCL and they played in CCL. They scarcely won a game.

Well, Herndon does really well on the boys side, as does Alexandria, which came over the same year as Herndon.

That wasn't a knock on Herndon. I think they're a good club with well coached teams. It was just noting the difference in level between NCSL D1 and CCL. A team which won NCSL D1 comfortably was among the weakest teams in CCL the following year.

Yes but what I am saying is that they are strong in CCL on the boys side, as is Alexandria, also a recent NCSL team. Maybe the gap you describe is accurate on the girls side but I don't think that it is there for the boys.

Maybe - but those clubs moved to CCL weakening NCSL and strengthening CCL when they did so. I don't think there are any clubs left in NCSL that would compete on level terms with either Alexandria or Herndon. So yes - there may be a team or two in each NCSL age group that would not finish dead last in CCL, but they would not be challenging the better teams or even close.

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Do you all have nothing better to do than to trash a league. Your kid, your decision. Pick a club that plays in a league that you feel is most appropriate. We don’t live in Montana so you have more than enough choices. CCL may not be as good as you think it should be, but it out lasted a lot of other leagues. Of course you can continue with how you know best.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you all have nothing better to do than to trash a league. Your kid, your decision. Pick a club that plays in a league that you feel is most appropriate. We don’t live in Montana so you have more than enough choices. CCL may not be as good as you think it should be, but it out lasted a lot of other leagues. Of course you can continue with how you know best.

A few clubs have left and other clubs have expressed that they are evaluating their options. Not sure why you find it offensive that there is discussion of this topic as this league may be a shell of what it is in 6 months.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you all have nothing better to do than to trash a league. Your kid, your decision. Pick a club that plays in a league that you feel is most appropriate. We don’t live in Montana so you have more than enough choices. CCL may not be as good as you think it should be, but it out lasted a lot of other leagues. Of course you can continue with how you know best.

A few clubs have left and other clubs have expressed that they are evaluating their options. Not sure why you find it offensive that there is discussion of this topic as this league may be a shell of what it is in 6 months.

CCL girls has had problems putting together a full schedule before the pandemic. Now with GA/ECNL and CCL games being pushed farther away as they try to fill the schedule one has to evaluate why play CCL. Right now it is because the club management likes it but that will change as clubs move to the ECNL-r. If you lose Loudoun, Arlington and McLean at all age groups why would other clubs stay?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you all have nothing better to do than to trash a league. Your kid, your decision. Pick a club that plays in a league that you feel is most appropriate. We don’t live in Montana so you have more than enough choices. CCL may not be as good as you think it should be, but it out lasted a lot of other leagues. Of course you can continue with how you know best.

A few clubs have left and other clubs have expressed that they are evaluating their options. Not sure why you find it offensive that there is discussion of this topic as this league may be a shell of what it is in 6 months.

CCL girls has had problems putting together a full schedule before the pandemic. Now with GA/ECNL and CCL games being pushed farther away as they try to fill the schedule one has to evaluate why play CCL. Right now it is because the club management likes it but that will change as clubs move to the ECNL-r. If you lose Loudoun, Arlington and McLean at all age groups why would other clubs stay?

DD plays CCL Premiership and there have been no issues with not having games. They have played every single club during regular season or showcases. Could the lack of teams/scheduling be in Championship? Maybe there isn't a need for Championship/CCL2 any longer and those teams could improve the quality and number in NCSL.

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What are you talking about
My did (girl) plays CCL for her club. This year I have seen little if any scheduling issues beyond the LMVSC issue. No knock on them just reality, it happens. Her team has played a full schedule and is finishing off this Spring the teams they did not play in the fall. All are scheduled and happening.

Where do you all get this nonsense from?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you all have nothing better to do than to trash a league. Your kid, your decision. Pick a club that plays in a league that you feel is most appropriate. We don’t live in Montana so you have more than enough choices. CCL may not be as good as you think it should be, but it out lasted a lot of other leagues. Of course you can continue with how you know best.

A few clubs have left and other clubs have expressed that they are evaluating their options. Not sure why you find it offensive that there is discussion of this topic as this league may be a shell of what it is in 6 months.

CCL girls has had problems putting together a full schedule before the pandemic. Now with GA/ECNL and CCL games being pushed farther away as they try to fill the schedule one has to evaluate why play CCL. Right now it is because the club management likes it but that will change as clubs move to the ECNL-r. If you lose Loudoun, Arlington and McLean at all age groups why would other clubs stay?

Right. If those clubs are out as well as SOCA, Legacy and Fredericksburg, what does that leave? Looks like 6 NOVA clubs: Alexandria, Herndon, SYA, NVSC, SYC, LMVSC, 4 VA clubs outside the area (Beach, Rush, FC Richmond, VBR Star) and a few out of state (Stoddert, Frederick, WVFC). If that's the league, the NOVA clubs should just go ahead and cut to EDP, imho.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you all have nothing better to do than to trash a league. Your kid, your decision. Pick a club that plays in a league that you feel is most appropriate. We don’t live in Montana so you have more than enough choices. CCL may not be as good as you think it should be, but it out lasted a lot of other leagues. Of course you can continue with how you know best.

That's exactly what this discussion is about - what club to pick and how the league the club plays in factors into that decision. This is a discussion board after all and PPs are discussing leagues and providing information. Some of us have had negative experiences with our kids playing in the CCL/CCL2 in the past and we have every right to raise concerns.