Is Arab American POC? Does it help for admissions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t lie about your race on an application, if later you become a famous author and somebody finds out you’ll lose your book deal.

If you identify as a race, that isn’t lying.

So you are good to go until they invent mind readers! haahaha

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait so now a North African is AA, but an Arab American is not a POC?

You people need to get your arbitrary designations straight.

Hahah!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never met admissions officers. Why would college students meet admissions officers in person?

Because the admissions officers like it and do it on person. For example, it is a big deal on admitted students day as they try to get them to choose their school. Why is this so hard to understand? And why wont someone call an admissions office and ask them?

You really think admissions officers dont give a damn about the kids they admit?

Why call when you can speak from experience. Just give it up lady. Has it ever happened? Yes. Does it happen routinely? Probably not.

If by "not routinely" you mean "at every accepted students day at most colleges" then yeah.

Oh and that's even before they enroll.

Oh and every other administrative person can see their file. They meet more than adcoms.

But here is the fundamental point - because I have allowed you to gish-gallop right past it:

The cheating you are accusing people of does not happen successfully in any significant quantity which would affect your rejection.

There. Now we can get back to arguing about who meets who if you prefer that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never met admissions officers. Why would college students meet admissions officers in person?

Because the admissions officers like it and do it on person. For example, it is a big deal on admitted students day as they try to get them to choose their school. Why is this so hard to understand? And why wont someone call an admissions office and ask them?

You really think admissions officers dont give a damn about the kids they admit?

Why call when you can speak from experience. Just give it up lady. Has it ever happened? Yes. Does it happen routinely? Probably not.

If by "not routinely" you mean "at every accepted students day at most colleges" then yeah.

Oh and that's even before they enroll.

Oh and every other administrative person can see their file. They meet more than adcoms.

But here is the fundamental point - because I have allowed you to gish-gallop right past it:

The cheating you are accusing people of does not happen successfully in any significant quantity which would affect your rejection.

There. Now we can get back to arguing about who meets who if you prefer that.

My kis is at Yale and this PP is correct. They have ways if figuring this stuff out. And the adcom for our region met with every admitted student from my DCs high school. Adcomms love meeting the students they admit and yes they do walk around campus.

I think people are missing the broader point. Race in America is a social construct, a hierarchy of human value. None of the top schools are looking fir you to check a box, but illustrate how your race or ethnicity has informed your world view and perspective. A white person that checks Hispanic because they have a grandmother from Spain but has not experienced day-to-day what it means to be Hispanic in this country doesn't bring anything to the table.

Also someone with North African ancestry checking African American is faulty as well. African American designated is meant for decendants of slaves in America. If you don't have that price then you shouldn't be checking that box. And as fir Black people that look white, well rape in slavery you know???

You're stupid if you think just checking a box matters for the top schools.

[Anonymous]

The other thing is that when you are admitted, if you are from an underrepresented group, they give your name to the affinity group on campus. Your white kid would start getting emails from the group they claim to be. These groups also seek you out, stopping by dorms to invite you to events. Imagine when they expect to see a person of color and encounter your kid. Everyone is going to know your kid lied. It’s going to look really bad. Hope they enjoy being a social pariah in the first semester of freshman year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hope they enjoy being a social pariah in the first semester of freshman year.

And not having a second semester.

[Anonymous]

Don't understand the defensiveness of some of you. Are you a college employee who feels the need to defend institutions? It happens. Don't know what schools you have adcoms walking around college campus meeting admitted students. Admissions staff move on to evaluating the next applying class. The system is open for abuse. Period.

[Anonymous]

I know someone who is Egyptian and put AA on all her college apps as did her relatives. She is very dark skinned but her dad is a dermatologist so she didn’t exactly have challenges growing up. She is a physician now too so I assume no one “caught” her or questioned it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't understand the defensiveness of some of you. Are you a college employee who feels the need to defend institutions? It happens. Don't know what schools you have adcoms walking around college campus meeting admitted students. Admissions staff move on to evaluating the next applying class. The system is open for abuse. Period.

Lol this is such a funny and ironic comment.

Show evidence it happens in any statistically meaningful quantity. You can't. Because it doesn't.

You've already been told of several schools where the adcoms routinely meet the admitted students.

Your position implies that the system is being gamed simply by checking a box and that the colleges who are being exploited do not care at all. That's ludicrous. There is zero evidence of that. Zero.

"Period".

No one is defending institutions as a goal. People are attacking misinformation and conspiracy theory. Big difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know someone who is Egyptian and put AA on all her college apps as did her relatives. She is very dark skinned but her dad is a dermatologist so she didn’t exactly have challenges growing up. She is a physician now too so I assume no one “caught” her or questioned it.

What is the point?
If you are a child or immigrants from Africa and you are black you put AA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never met admissions officers. Why would college students meet admissions officers in person?

Because the admissions officers like it and do it on person. For example, it is a big deal on admitted students day as they try to get them to choose their school. Why is this so hard to understand? And why wont someone call an admissions office and ask them?

You really think admissions officers dont give a damn about the kids they admit?

Why call when you can speak from experience. Just give it up lady. Has it ever happened? Yes. Does it happen routinely? Probably not.

If by "not routinely" you mean "at every accepted students day at most colleges" then yeah.

Oh and that's even before they enroll.

Oh and every other administrative person can see their file. They meet more than adcoms.

But here is the fundamental point - because I have allowed you to gish-gallop right past it:

The cheating you are accusing people of does not happen successfully in any significant quantity which would affect your rejection.

There. Now we can get back to arguing about who meets who if you prefer that.

My kis is at Yale and this PP is correct. They have ways if figuring this stuff out. And the adcom for our region met with every admitted student from my DCs high school. Adcomms love meeting the students they admit and yes they do walk around campus.

I think people are missing the broader point. Race in America is a social construct, a hierarchy of human value. None of the top schools are looking fir you to check a box, but illustrate how your race or ethnicity has informed your world view and perspective. A white person that checks Hispanic because they have a grandmother from Spain but has not experienced day-to-day what it means to be Hispanic in this country doesn't bring anything to the table.

Also someone with North African ancestry checking African American is faulty as well. African American designated is meant for decendants of slaves in America. If you don't have that price then you shouldn't be checking that box. And as fir Black people that look white, well rape in slavery you know???

You're stupid if you think just checking a box matters for the top schools.

If African American is designated only for American Blacks that are descendants of slavery, then what do people from Nigeria put down? Ethiopia? Chad?

Is there a box for them?

[Anonymous]

DC is half Asian and half white - DC checked both boxes on the applications. That’s the point of being able to check more than one box.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know someone who is Egyptian and put AA on all her college apps as did her relatives. She is very dark skinned but her dad is a dermatologist so she didn’t exactly have challenges growing up. She is a physician now too so I assume no one “caught” her or questioned it.

What is the point?
If you are a child or immigrants from Africa and you are black you put AA.

I had a friend with boer parents who did this and thought it was hilarious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC is half Asian and half white - DC checked both boxes on the applications. That’s the point of being able to check more than one box.

That’s not what most people here are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't understand the defensiveness of some of you. Are you a college employee who feels the need to defend institutions? It happens. Don't know what schools you have adcoms walking around college campus meeting admitted students. Admissions staff move on to evaluating the next applying class. The system is open for abuse. Period.

Lol this is such a funny and ironic comment.

Show evidence it happens in any statistically meaningful quantity. You can't. Because it doesn't.

You've already been told of several schools where the adcoms routinely meet the admitted students.

Your position implies that the system is being gamed simply by checking a box and that the colleges who are being exploited do not care at all. That's ludicrous. There is zero evidence of that. Zero.

"Period".


Soooo defensive.
I'm not going to out specific families. We all know this happens. I don't know the percentage nor do i care. My kids and their friends never met with college admissions staff once they got on campus. Maybe that happens at small colleges, but not at Ivies or state schools. Unlike you, I will take you at your word about this. Peace out.