Is Arab American POC? Does it help for admissions?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We'll see what happens when they are ready to apply to college. The benefits of checking a URM box are huge for admission.

And colleges don't chase down admitted to students to confirm racial background. They don't really care as long as they can report that they have a certain percentage of different demographics.

What you just typed is incorrect. Adcoms do care, and they have ways of knowing and experience. Guidance counselors communicate also. I am not saying no one ever successfully cheats, but it is somewhere between uncommon and extremely rare.

Also, the admitted kids eventually get to the campus and meet people you know. Like the admissions officers that admitted them. They’ll bounce a kid caught lying about this in a heartbeat.

You know this how? How many college students ever interface with the admissions office once they're on campus. You are plainly incorrect.

Among multiple examples we've seen, one family had multiple kids manipulate this system which, while technically legit, clearly violated the spirit of the policy and the college did not care.

No, a$$hole, I am not. I have one kid at an ivy and another at a NESCAC. Ivy kid met his admissions officer on accepted students day and talked about his essay and NESCAC kid the same and sees him on campus all the time and they are friendly (admittedly a small school). Plus you know students have these things called "files" that have "data' that administration can see.

I tell you what. Don't take my word for it (even though I am correct). Call any admissions officer at any competitive school and ask them if they think a kid doing this will get caught and why. Then come back here and report.

You won't.

As for the kids you've "seen", how do you know they were accepted as URMs? Did you see their applications? Do you know their stats? You are a liar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We'll see what happens when they are ready to apply to college. The benefits of checking a URM box are huge for admission.

And colleges don't chase down admitted to students to confirm racial background. They don't really care as long as they can report that they have a certain percentage of different demographics.

What you just typed is incorrect. Adcoms do care, and they have ways of knowing and experience. Guidance counselors communicate also. I am not saying no one ever successfully cheats, but it is somewhere between uncommon and extremely rare.

Also, the admitted kids eventually get to the campus and meet people you know. Like the admissions officers that admitted them. They’ll bounce a kid caught lying about this in a heartbeat.

You know this how? How many college students ever interface with the admissions office once they're on campus. You are plainly incorrect.

Among multiple examples we've seen, one family had multiple kids manipulate this system which, while technically legit, clearly violated the spirit of the policy and the college did not care.

No, a$$hole, I am not. I have one kid at an ivy and another at a NESCAC. Ivy kid met his admissions officer on accepted students day and talked about his essay and NESCAC kid the same and sees him on campus all the time and they are friendly (admittedly a small school). Plus you know students have these things called "files" that have "data' that administration can see.

I tell you what. Don't take my word for it (even though I am correct). Call any admissions officer at any competitive school and ask them if they think a kid doing this will get caught and why. Then come back here and report.

You won't.

As for the kids you've "seen", how do you know they were accepted as URMs? Did you see their applications? Do you know their stats? You are a liar.

We all know what the stats are, ok. On average their scores are lower than Asian and White students. Are you disputing that they are given preference? I know it's hard to justify discriminating against someone in the name of diversity, but maybe you can come up with some way to rationalize the policy.

As far as students running into admissions officers on campus....

[Anonymous]

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We all know what the stats are, ok.

Noooooo.... you don't! And you don't know what they checked either. You continue to lie!

As far as students running into admissions officers on campus....

Not "running into them". They meet them. On purpose. Jesus have you ever been to a college? Do what I said. Call one and ask them! Then come back and show everyone how right you are!

You won't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We all know what the stats are, ok.

Noooooo.... you don't! And you don't know what they checked either. You continue to lie!

As far as students running into admissions officers on campus....

Not "running into them". They meet them. On purpose. Jesus have you ever been to a college? Do what I said. Call one and ask them! Then come back and show everyone how right you are!

You won't.

You are living in fantasy land you fat cow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We all know what the stats are, ok.

Noooooo.... you don't! And you don't know what they checked either. You continue to lie!

As far as students running into admissions officers on campus....

Not "running into them". They meet them. On purpose. Jesus have you ever been to a college? Do what I said. Call one and ask them! Then come back and show everyone how right you are!

You won't.

You are living in fantasy land you fat cow.

The burn. It stings! Doesn't it.

[Anonymous]

I never met admissions officers. Why would college students meet admissions officers in person?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I never met admissions officers. Why would college students meet admissions officers in person?

Maybe at a tiny liberal arts college, but even that is a stretch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I never met admissions officers. Why would college students meet admissions officers in person?

Because the admissions officers like it and do it on person. For example, it is a big deal on admitted students day as they try to get them to choose their school. Why is this so hard to understand? And why wont someone call an admissions office and ask them?

You really think admissions officers dont give a damn about the kids they admit?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I never met admissions officers. Why would college students meet admissions officers in person?

Because the admissions officers like it and do it on person. For example, it is a big deal on admitted students day as they try to get them to choose their school. Why is this so hard to understand? And why wont someone call an admissions office and ask them?

You really think admissions officers dont give a damn about the kids they admit?

Why call when you can speak from experience. Just give it up lady. Has it ever happened? Yes. Does it happen routinely? Probably not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never met admissions officers. Why would college students meet admissions officers in person?

Because the admissions officers like it and do it on person. For example, it is a big deal on admitted students day as they try to get them to choose their school. Why is this so hard to understand? And why wont someone call an admissions office and ask them?

You really think admissions officers dont give a damn about the kids they admit?

Sure they do, but they aren't meeting with all of them. They can't really expect a student admitted who lives across the country or even abroad to visit every school that admitted them on admissions day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never met admissions officers. Why would college students meet admissions officers in person?

Because the admissions officers like it and do it on person. For example, it is a big deal on admitted students day as they try to get them to choose their school. Why is this so hard to understand? And why wont someone call an admissions office and ask them?

You really think admissions officers dont give a damn about the kids they admit?

Sure they do, but they aren't meeting with all of them. They can't really expect a student admitted who lives across the country or even abroad to visit every school that admitted them on admissions day.

Well it is a good thing that no one claimed they met them all. Just that they met them, and that they would likely catch anyone who lied about their race on an application. That’s the whole point, regardless of the Gish gallop that has followed.

[Anonymous]

Don’t lie about your race on an application, if later you become a famous author and somebody finds out you’ll lose your book deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don’t lie about your race on an application, if later you become a famous author and somebody finds out you’ll lose your book deal.

Define lying when you are allowed to identify with any race/ethnic group. Can you put AA if you are 25% AA? What if you are 50% AA and look white?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don’t lie about your race on an application, if later you become a famous author and somebody finds out you’ll lose your book deal.

If you identify as a race, that isn’t lying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the college wants to boost their stats, it's how you mark the box, not what you write in the essay. They don't go reading each essay when generating their stats. The essay serves a different purpose, also beneficial though.

You need to look at the college. I'm half Asian and half White. I chose the race that worked best for me for each college, based on their stats. For example, Iowa State is 3.5% Asian so it's better to be Asian than white there: https://www.registrar.iastate.edu/sites/default/files/uploads/stats/minority/Fall%202020%20Multicultural%20reports.pdf

If you lie on a college application, they can kick you out. If you lie on the FAFSA or financial aid documents, it is a Federal offense. I think there is a lot of bad information being given, and most people either do not know or do not care about the actual rules, but feigning ignorance is not a defense.

How is it lying? I'm 50% Asian, and 50% White. Why can't I identify with either of those?

You can identify as Native American if that is how you identify. Who is the school to tell you how you identify? They won’t dispute that you identify as the race you put on your application. How could they disprove what a person identifies as?