Is Arab American POC? Does it help for admissions?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know someone who is Egyptian and put AA on all her college apps as did her relatives. She is very dark skinned but her dad is a dermatologist so she didn’t exactly have challenges growing up. She is a physician now too so I assume no one “caught” her or questioned it.

What is the point?
If you are a child or immigrants from Africa and you are black you put AA.

I had a friend with boer parents who did this and thought it was hilarious.

Affirmative action is not meant for recent immigrants from wealthy families who never had to experience systemic racism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don't understand the defensiveness of some of you. Are you a college employee who feels the need to defend institutions? It happens. Don't know what schools you have adcoms walking around college campus meeting admitted students. Admissions staff move on to evaluating the next applying class. The system is open for abuse. Period.

Lol this is such a funny and ironic comment.

Show evidence it happens in any statistically meaningful quantity. You can't. Because it doesn't.

You've already been told of several schools where the adcoms routinely meet the admitted students.

Your position implies that the system is being gamed simply by checking a box and that the colleges who are being exploited do not care at all. That's ludicrous. There is zero evidence of that. Zero.

"Period".


Soooo defensive.
I'm not going to out specific families. We all know this happens. I don't know the percentage nor do i care. My kids and their friends never met with college admissions staff once they got on campus. Maybe that happens at small colleges, but not at Ivies or state schools. Unlike you, I will take you at your word about this. Peace out.

"I'm not going to out specific families. " - Specific families whose applications you did not see.

"We all know this happens." - No you don't.

"I don't know the percentage nor do i care." - This we agree on 100%

"My kids and their friends never met with college admissions staff once they got on campus" - Too bad for them. Mine did and so did many others. And it isn't only the adcoms who could catch them.

"Maybe that happens at small colleges, but not at Ivies or state schools." - I already told you my kid is at an ivy and met his admissions officer at accepted students day. Literally the first person he met after he was admitted. What state school are you referencing? Tell me and I will call them and ask them if they meet their admitted students and I will post back here.

"Unlike you, I will take you at your word about this." - Don't take people's word - take evidence first.

"Peace out. " - Sure you too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I never met admissions officers. Why would college students meet admissions officers in person?

Because the admissions officers like it and do it on person. For example, it is a big deal on admitted students day as they try to get them to choose their school. Why is this so hard to understand? And why wont someone call an admissions office and ask them?

You really think admissions officers dont give a damn about the kids they admit?

Why call when you can speak from experience. Just give it up lady. Has it ever happened? Yes. Does it happen routinely? Probably not.

If by "not routinely" you mean "at every accepted students day at most colleges" then yeah.

Oh and that's even before they enroll.

Oh and every other administrative person can see their file. They meet more than adcoms.

But here is the fundamental point - because I have allowed you to gish-gallop right past it:

The cheating you are accusing people of does not happen successfully in any significant quantity which would affect your rejection.

There. Now we can get back to arguing about who meets who if you prefer that.

My kis is at Yale and this PP is correct. They have ways if figuring this stuff out. And the adcom for our region met with every admitted student from my DCs high school. Adcomms love meeting the students they admit and yes they do walk around campus.

I think people are missing the broader point. Race in America is a social construct, a hierarchy of human value. None of the top schools are looking fir you to check a box, but illustrate how your race or ethnicity has informed your world view and perspective. A white person that checks Hispanic because they have a grandmother from Spain but has not experienced day-to-day what it means to be Hispanic in this country doesn't bring anything to the table.

Also someone with North African ancestry checking African American is faulty as well. African American designated is meant for decendants of slaves in America. If you don't have that price then you shouldn't be checking that box. And as fir Black people that look white, well rape in slavery you know???

You're stupid if you think just checking a box matters for the top schools.

Admissions statistics say otherwise.

Rape in slavery? Yeah, that isnt what people are referring to. You just revealed yourself as being loco.

[Anonymous]

Arab Americans are not an under represented group.

They might be a minority in America but not underrepresented on college campuses. Like Asians who are POC but do not have an advantage. Unlike them though, you will not have a disadvantage. You will not be expected to perform better than (Euro) Whites, just similar.

So-- no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Arab Americans are not an under represented group.

They might be a minority in America but not underrepresented on college campuses. Like Asians who are POC but do not have an advantage. Unlike them though, you will not have a disadvantage. You will not be expected to perform better than (Euro) Whites, just similar.

So-- no.

FYI there are competitive schools where Asians are not URM, and they do benefit there. As they should so that colleges can achieve the balance they seek.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't understand the defensiveness of some of you. Are you a college employee who feels the need to defend institutions? It happens. Don't know what schools you have adcoms walking around college campus meeting admitted students. Admissions staff move on to evaluating the next applying class. The system is open for abuse. Period.

Lol this is such a funny and ironic comment.

Show evidence it happens in any statistically meaningful quantity. You can't. Because it doesn't.

You've already been told of several schools where the adcoms routinely meet the admitted students.

Your position implies that the system is being gamed simply by checking a box and that the colleges who are being exploited do not care at all. That's ludicrous. There is zero evidence of that. Zero.

"Period".


Soooo defensive.
I'm not going to out specific families. We all know this happens. I don't know the percentage nor do i care. My kids and their friends never met with college admissions staff once they got on campus. Maybe that happens at small colleges, but not at Ivies or state schools. Unlike you, I will take you at your word about this. Peace out.

"I'm not going to out specific families. " - Specific families whose applications you did not see.

"We all know this happens." - No you don't.

"I don't know the percentage nor do i care." - This we agree on 100%

"My kids and their friends never met with college admissions staff once they got on campus" - Too bad for them. Mine did and so did many others. And it isn't only the adcoms who could catch them.

"Maybe that happens at small colleges, but not at Ivies or state schools." - I already told you my kid is at an ivy and met his admissions officer at accepted students day. Literally the first person he met after he was admitted. What state school are you referencing? Tell me and I will call them and ask them if they meet their admitted students and I will post back here.

"Unlike you, I will take you at your word about this." - Don't take people's word - take evidence first.

"Peace out. " - Sure you too.

Time to go back on your meds honey.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't understand the defensiveness of some of you. Are you a college employee who feels the need to defend institutions? It happens. Don't know what schools you have adcoms walking around college campus meeting admitted students. Admissions staff move on to evaluating the next applying class. The system is open for abuse. Period.

Lol this is such a funny and ironic comment.

Show evidence it happens in any statistically meaningful quantity. You can't. Because it doesn't.

You've already been told of several schools where the adcoms routinely meet the admitted students.

Your position implies that the system is being gamed simply by checking a box and that the colleges who are being exploited do not care at all. That's ludicrous. There is zero evidence of that. Zero.

"Period".


Soooo defensive.
I'm not going to out specific families. We all know this happens. I don't know the percentage nor do i care. My kids and their friends never met with college admissions staff once they got on campus. Maybe that happens at small colleges, but not at Ivies or state schools. Unlike you, I will take you at your word about this. Peace out.

"I'm not going to out specific families. " - Specific families whose applications you did not see.

"We all know this happens." - No you don't.

"I don't know the percentage nor do i care." - This we agree on 100%

"My kids and their friends never met with college admissions staff once they got on campus" - Too bad for them. Mine did and so did many others. And it isn't only the adcoms who could catch them.

"Maybe that happens at small colleges, but not at Ivies or state schools." - I already told you my kid is at an ivy and met his admissions officer at accepted students day. Literally the first person he met after he was admitted. What state school are you referencing? Tell me and I will call them and ask them if they meet their admitted students and I will post back here.

"Unlike you, I will take you at your word about this." - Don't take people's word - take evidence first.

"Peace out. " - Sure you too.

Time to go back on your meds honey.

Not exactly sure what that means, but what I gather is that you surrender and have no substantive response so you resort to ad hominem. I am not surprised.

Also, I am not your honey.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Arab Americans are not an under represented group.

They might be a minority in America but not underrepresented on college campuses. Like Asians who are POC but do not have an advantage. Unlike them though, you will not have a disadvantage. You will not be expected to perform better than (Euro) Whites, just similar.

So-- no.

FYI there are competitive schools where Asians are not URM, and they do benefit there. As they should so that colleges can achieve the balance they seek.

They don't want to go to no stinkin little LAC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never met admissions officers. Why would college students meet admissions officers in person?

Because the admissions officers like it and do it on person. For example, it is a big deal on admitted students day as they try to get them to choose their school. Why is this so hard to understand? And why wont someone call an admissions office and ask them?

You really think admissions officers dont give a damn about the kids they admit?

Why call when you can speak from experience. Just give it up lady. Has it ever happened? Yes. Does it happen routinely? Probably not.

If by "not routinely" you mean "at every accepted students day at most colleges" then yeah.

Oh and that's even before they enroll.

Oh and every other administrative person can see their file. They meet more than adcoms.

But here is the fundamental point - because I have allowed you to gish-gallop right past it:

The cheating you are accusing people of does not happen successfully in any significant quantity which would affect your rejection.

There. Now we can get back to arguing about who meets who if you prefer that.

My kis is at Yale and this PP is correct. They have ways if figuring this stuff out. And the adcom for our region met with every admitted student from my DCs high school. Adcomms love meeting the students they admit and yes they do walk around campus.

I think people are missing the broader point. Race in America is a social construct, a hierarchy of human value. None of the top schools are looking fir you to check a box, but illustrate how your race or ethnicity has informed your world view and perspective. A white person that checks Hispanic because they have a grandmother from Spain but has not experienced day-to-day what it means to be Hispanic in this country doesn't bring anything to the table.

Also someone with North African ancestry checking African American is faulty as well. African American designated is meant for decendants of slaves in America. If you don't have that price then you shouldn't be checking that box. And as fir Black people that look white, well rape in slavery you know???

You're stupid if you think just checking a box matters for the top schools.

Admissions statistics say otherwise.

Rape in slavery? Yeah, that isnt what people are referring to. You just revealed yourself as being loco.

Uhhh. People were questioning African Americans that look white. On average African Americans have 24% white ancestry. You think its there by chance, its there because of rape? Do you know about the one drop rule? One drop of Black blood in this country meant you and generations after get to be treated like trash. This was a law in our country.. At least I know American history - dumbass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never met admissions officers. Why would college students meet admissions officers in person?

Because the admissions officers like it and do it on person. For example, it is a big deal on admitted students day as they try to get them to choose their school. Why is this so hard to understand? And why wont someone call an admissions office and ask them?

You really think admissions officers dont give a damn about the kids they admit?

Why call when you can speak from experience. Just give it up lady. Has it ever happened? Yes. Does it happen routinely? Probably not.

If by "not routinely" you mean "at every accepted students day at most colleges" then yeah.

Oh and that's even before they enroll.

Oh and every other administrative person can see their file. They meet more than adcoms.

But here is the fundamental point - because I have allowed you to gish-gallop right past it:

The cheating you are accusing people of does not happen successfully in any significant quantity which would affect your rejection.

There. Now we can get back to arguing about who meets who if you prefer that.

My kis is at Yale and this PP is correct. They have ways if figuring this stuff out. And the adcom for our region met with every admitted student from my DCs high school. Adcomms love meeting the students they admit and yes they do walk around campus.

I think people are missing the broader point. Race in America is a social construct, a hierarchy of human value. None of the top schools are looking fir you to check a box, but illustrate how your race or ethnicity has informed your world view and perspective. A white person that checks Hispanic because they have a grandmother from Spain but has not experienced day-to-day what it means to be Hispanic in this country doesn't bring anything to the table.

Also someone with North African ancestry checking African American is faulty as well. African American designated is meant for decendants of slaves in America. If you don't have that price then you shouldn't be checking that box. And as fir Black people that look white, well rape in slavery you know???

You're stupid if you think just checking a box matters for the top schools.

Admissions statistics say otherwise.

Rape in slavery? Yeah, that isnt what people are referring to. You just revealed yourself as being loco.

Uhhh. People were questioning African Americans that look white. On average African Americans have 24% white ancestry. You think its there by chance, its there because of rape? Do you know about the one drop rule? One drop of Black blood in this country meant you and generations after get to be treated like trash. This was a law in our country.. At least I know American history - dumbass.

African Americans that look white? You aren't too bright, are you. A lot of people who are mixed don't consider themselves to be AA. You like to live in the past don't you? That way it's much easier for you to feel sorry for yourself. Anyway, please get back on your meds!

This thread is about race and admissions, not some grievance that you have.

[Anonymous]

^^There are a good number of African Americans that look white, especially in the DC area. Also you shouldn't dare try to speak for mixed race people and how they identify. You're embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know someone who is Egyptian and put AA on all her college apps as did her relatives. She is very dark skinned but her dad is a dermatologist so she didn’t exactly have challenges growing up. She is a physician now too so I assume no one “caught” her or questioned it.

What is the point?
If you are a child or immigrants from Africa and you are black you put AA.

I had a friend with boer parents who did this and thought it was hilarious.

Affirmative action is not meant for recent immigrants from wealthy families who never had to experience systemic racism.

+1

Colleges and universities feel strongly about this, so whatever you do, do NOT lie on any paperwork.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never met admissions officers. Why would college students meet admissions officers in person?

Because the admissions officers like it and do it on person. For example, it is a big deal on admitted students day as they try to get them to choose their school. Why is this so hard to understand? And why wont someone call an admissions office and ask them?

You really think admissions officers dont give a damn about the kids they admit?

Why call when you can speak from experience. Just give it up lady. Has it ever happened? Yes. Does it happen routinely? Probably not.

If by "not routinely" you mean "at every accepted students day at most colleges" then yeah.

Oh and that's even before they enroll.

Oh and every other administrative person can see their file. They meet more than adcoms.

But here is the fundamental point - because I have allowed you to gish-gallop right past it:

The cheating you are accusing people of does not happen successfully in any significant quantity which would affect your rejection.

There. Now we can get back to arguing about who meets who if you prefer that.

My kis is at Yale and this PP is correct. They have ways if figuring this stuff out. And the adcom for our region met with every admitted student from my DCs high school. Adcomms love meeting the students they admit and yes they do walk around campus.

I think people are missing the broader point. Race in America is a social construct, a hierarchy of human value. None of the top schools are looking fir you to check a box, but illustrate how your race or ethnicity has informed your world view and perspective. A white person that checks Hispanic because they have a grandmother from Spain but has not experienced day-to-day what it means to be Hispanic in this country doesn't bring anything to the table.

Also someone with North African ancestry checking African American is faulty as well. African American designated is meant for decendants of slaves in America. If you don't have that price then you shouldn't be checking that box. And as fir Black people that look white, well rape in slavery you know???

You're stupid if you think just checking a box matters for the top schools.

If African American is designated only for American Blacks that are descendants of slavery, then what do people from Nigeria put down? Ethiopia? Chad?

Is there a box for them?

Still waiting on the answer on this...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^There are a good number of African Americans that look white, especially in the DC area. Also you shouldn't dare try to speak for mixed race people and how they identify. You're embarrassing yourself.

So ironic.

[Anonymous]

Does your child identify as a person of color or does she routinely distinguish herself from POC in her everyday life?

If she covers, she has a good chance of being featured on her college's website to show diversity. It's the visual of course.