Is Arab American POC? Does it help for admissions?

[Anonymous]

Wow. So angry.

So you show a tribal card, great. That doesn't tell people the difference between someone whose grandmother is NA versus the other who is 1/128 NA.

The system is easy to abuse.

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Anonymous wrote:For most competitive colleges to get admitted as native american you have to be registered with a tribe and show evidence of that. You need a number. It is not trivial and not "checking a box". If you knew anything about this topic you would know that.

You're incorrect.

No, I am not.

https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/native-american-heritage-common-app-for-non-federally-recognized-tribes/2030973

On the common app in particular, it asks you to provide your tribal ID number to prove you are a part of a federally recognized Native American tribe.

Harvard does not, but most do:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2005/2/10/native-americans-question-admissions-some-fear/

When Erica A. Scott ’06, president of Native Americans at Harvard College (NAHC), applied to Dartmouth College and Stanford University, they required her to complete an additional heritage form, validating her tribal affiliation. When she sent her résume to Cornell University, they asked her to send a photocopy of a tribal I.D. card or tribe enrollment letter.

See how I looked stuff up before I commented, and provided links? Took me 5 min and now no one thinks I am an idiot. Try it.

Hey angry lady, read your own citations. The CC thread says there is a lot of variability.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For most competitive colleges to get admitted as native american you have to be registered with a tribe and show evidence of that. You need a number. It is not trivial and not "checking a box". If you knew anything about this topic you would know that.

You're incorrect.

No, I am not.

https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/native-american-heritage-common-app-for-non-federally-recognized-tribes/2030973

On the common app in particular, it asks you to provide your tribal ID number to prove you are a part of a federally recognized Native American tribe.

Harvard does not, but most do:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2005/2/10/native-americans-question-admissions-some-fear/

When Erica A. Scott ’06, president of Native Americans at Harvard College (NAHC), applied to Dartmouth College and Stanford University, they required her to complete an additional heritage form, validating her tribal affiliation. When she sent her résume to Cornell University, they asked her to send a photocopy of a tribal I.D. card or tribe enrollment letter.

See how I looked stuff up before I commented, and provided links? Took me 5 min and now no one thinks I am an idiot. Try it.

Hey angry lady, read your own citations. The CC thread says there is a lot of variability.

I am not a lady.

I am angry because you are stupid. You don't understand the word "most", which I used twice. You just typed "You are incorrect" with no citations or research.... why am I bothering? I have more luck in a discussion with my dog. At least he will pay attention and try to understand, despite his limited intellectual capacity.

[Anonymous]

Calm down sweetie. You've made your point. Not sure why you're so hostile. But your tone doesn't do you favors. Time to shut this thread down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Calm down sweetie. You've made your point. Not sure why you're so hostile. But your tone doesn't do you favors. Time to shut this thread down.

That's what people usually say when they are shown to be ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. So angry.

So you show a tribal card, great. That doesn't tell people the difference between someone whose grandmother is NA versus the other who is 1/128 NA.

The system is easy to abuse.

So tell us about your experience in getting a tribal card.

It's not easy. The reason is there are many other consequences other than college admissions.

Don't take my word. Try it.

What you people don't know could fill a canyon.

[Anonymous]

If you wonder about the psychology of a half-AA teen that identifies as white...
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5ff5ef1ec5b6ea7351c74e66

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m MENA (middle eastern, northern African), ex-husband is white, and my daughter put down she is white and not mixed race as middle eastern is considered white on census forms. She feels very strongly that she’s middle eastern, but until racial definitions change, it’s not right to say you’re anything but white. Don’t think being middle eastern helps.

In your situation, I’d call her AA if your husband is from North Africa- it’s absolutely an accurate term for the offspring of someone born in Africa

It absolutely is not an accurate term for her....

"African Americans are largely the descendants of enslaved people who were brought from their African homelands by force to work in the New World. Their rights were severely limited, and they were long denied a rightful share in the economic, social, and political progress of the United States."

https://www.britannica.com/topic/African-American

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I understand that the census and official stats do not classify MENA people as POC, but my question is about the more selective schools, as they try to build a class. As I mentioned, the college counselor at our school says it helps for "diversity" but I've also felt like it's not the kind of diversity some of these schools are looking for anyway

Seriously? What does this mean? What is the kind you think they're looking for?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Arab American should be considered POC, but unfortunately we have an extremely narrow conception of what that means in this country.

Why?

You're white and if dressed like typical American, you get treated no differently when you walk into a store or restaurant. No one is judging you on your skin color.

Uhhhh, until a terrorist attack happens. Then all of a sudden "white" people can tell the difference and definitely don't treat arabs as "white"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Arab American should be considered POC, but unfortunately we have an extremely narrow conception of what that means in this country.

Why?

You're white and if dressed like typical American, you get treated no differently when you walk into a store or restaurant. No one is judging you on your skin color.

Uhhhh, until a terrorist attack happens. Then all of a sudden "white" people can tell the difference and definitely don't treat arabs as "white"

No, the tall, blonde Arab is not getting called a terrorist walking down the street or even getting the extra screening at the airport. It’s the darker skinned South Asian that is.

Americans equate Brown with terrorists. They don’t care if their not even from an Arab country or not Muslim.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m MENA (middle eastern, northern African), ex-husband is white, and my daughter put down she is white and not mixed race as middle eastern is considered white on census forms. She feels very strongly that she’s middle eastern, but until racial definitions change, it’s not right to say you’re anything but white. Don’t think being middle eastern helps.

In your situation, I’d call her AA if your husband is from North Africa- it’s absolutely an accurate term for the offspring of someone born in Africa

Or more accurately, bi-racial.

I would choose AA though, as it will likely increase your odds.

Don't hate the player.

You're definitely white. No one says this stupid crap anymore...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m MENA (middle eastern, northern African), ex-husband is white, and my daughter put down she is white and not mixed race as middle eastern is considered white on census forms. She feels very strongly that she’s middle eastern, but until racial definitions change, it’s not right to say you’re anything but white. Don’t think being middle eastern helps.

In your situation, I’d call her AA if your husband is from North Africa- it’s absolutely an accurate term for the offspring of someone born in Africa

It absolutely is not an accurate term for her....

"African Americans are largely the descendants of enslaved people who were brought from their African homelands by force to work in the New World. Their rights were severely limited, and they were long denied a rightful share in the economic, social, and political progress of the United States."

https://www.britannica.com/topic/African-American

So what does a Tanzanian applicant, currently living in Africa, check when they apply to a university in the US? They are not American, and they are not descended from slaves.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To what extent will a university verify the race of an applicant? Where do they draw the line? If you are 50% white and you identify as being white, can you select AA?

Some one who has one white parent and one black parent but identifies as white is unlikely to identify as AA for the purposes of applying to college. The mental gymnastic that person went through for 17 years...

You’d be surprised. Kids want to get into college. Being AA helps a lot with that especially around here. There are four 4.0, 1600 kids. Three are white. One identifies as white and looks white but has some black ancestry and puts black on the paper. Guess who gets in? Not making any moral judgement, it’s just the game.

You only think that because you don’t know any half-black kids who desperately want to be white. Unfortunately I do. They are not going to accept an AA designation mentally and socially just for college.

Well I know white kids who've identified as native american and hispanic to get in. The designation is just for the application. The college doesn't care what you do or like like once you're on campus. So i'm sure that half black kids have used their AA ancestry for their advantage, as they should.

Interesting that you think a half black kid would be traumatized over checking the AA box on an app.

You can get thrown out of the college for lying on an application, including this. Don't do it.

And every single one of them SHOULD!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t lie about your race on an application, if later you become a famous author and somebody finds out you’ll lose your book deal.

Define lying when you are allowed to identify with any race/ethnic group. Can you put AA if you are 25% AA? What if you are 50% AA and look white?

How the hell would that be a "lie" if you have a whole black parent?!